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On December 02 2024 00:00 0x64 wrote:
Yeah... Well, let's agree that's not a good idea and quite short sighted, we already saw what happened in Syria/Iraq once the shit broke out.
One thing that might have been making putin Paranoid has been what happened in Lybia, Syria, Ukraine... He clearly saw a pattern on a list where he imagine himself...
Anyway, Syria, with Russia army involvement, with Crimea etc, have been also red flags that have pushed Ukraine to prepare enough against a full-scale invasion.
The irony is that by trying to hide who Putin truly was, he only fooled himself and failed with something he could have succeeded few years earlier. Managing to be evil and incompetent, fuflilling the Holliwood stereotype of the evil russian.
It's a very good point that all this cloak and dagger shit have achieved is a much worse outcome for himself and Russia, than if he had just invaded Ukraine right away in 2014, when they weren't prepared and had much weaker leadership. At that point politicians across Europe would have tripped over themselves to forgive him so normal trade could resume, and Ukraine would now be Russia.
Instead he tried to be clever, showing the world how incompetent he really is.
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It is pretty wild how much worse off both domestically and abroad both Iran and Russia are. Here is hoping other authoritarians looking to grow their empire are paying attention.
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On December 01 2024 23:01 Sermokala wrote:
Its the middle east, nothing good happens there. Enemy of my Enemy is my friend but also my enemy but is less my enemy than my other enemy logic.
Russia has had a lot invested in Syria and will need to invest a lot more to salvage their investments after this. Ukraine is also in a situation where they can train whoever and with whatever without anyone really questioning why. Thats valuable to Turkyie and Isreal who are also interested in assads downfall. US is happy to go along with it so much as their proxies don't get screwed over in the end. But all this needed to go down before Trump gets into office and he abandons all the work that was done in the region.
Bolded - lol, must be pride of a proud boy speaking...
Italic - just curious, do you own bunch of funeral houses in the area, or do you just enjoy people dying?
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I didn't read it as him being personally in favor of people dying. More that if the people coordinating the operations in the area wanted to launch them it had to be now. After Trump would likely sell the details to Iran and Russia, getting the operators killed in the process. He sold classified data to other countries last time he was president, so any reasonable person will assume he will do it again. Especially since the consequences are proven to be tiny for doing it once already.
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I am still naive enough to think that invasion of crimea was a direct response to the euro maidan and ukrainians getting rid of their traitor president who tried to turn a deal with the EU that people voted for..into a deal for deeper economic bonds with Russia.
Putin would have loved to simply control ukraine via a belarussian style puppet government that can do his biddings.. or get eaten alive by their successors from a corrupt oligarchy, military or intelligence service.
Putin totally deployed stalinistic loyalty in Belarus. Make the police beat down protests, and keep on living in a palace.
Well, police lost in Kyiv.
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On December 03 2024 17:47 KT_Elwood wrote:
I am still naive enough to think that invasion of crimea was a direct response to the euro maidan and ukrainians getting rid of their traitor president who tried to turn a deal with the EU that people voted for..into a deal for deeper economic bonds with Russia.
Putin would have loved to simply control ukraine via a belarussian style puppet government that can do his biddings.. or get eaten alive by their successors from a corrupt oligarchy, military or intelligence service.
Putin totally deployed stalinistic loyalty in Belarus. Make the police beat down protests, and keep on living in a palace.
Well, police lost in Kyiv.
That's exactly the reason, and they also was bombing russians in donbass, donetsk and lugansk from 2014, but for some reason no one remembers that
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On December 03 2024 18:20 EEk1TwEEk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2024 17:47 KT_Elwood wrote:
I am still naive enough to think that invasion of crimea was a direct response to the euro maidan and ukrainians getting rid of their traitor president who tried to turn a deal with the EU that people voted for..into a deal for deeper economic bonds with Russia.
Putin would have loved to simply control ukraine via a belarussian style puppet government that can do his biddings.. or get eaten alive by their successors from a corrupt oligarchy, military or intelligence service.
Putin totally deployed stalinistic loyalty in Belarus. Make the police beat down protests, and keep on living in a palace.
Well, police lost in Kyiv.
That's exactly the reason, and they also was bombing russians in donbass, donetsk and lugansk from 2014, but for some reason no one remembers that
Hey, does anyone remember the North Koreans in Kursk? Didnt all those NATO intelligence agencies pinky swear there were like eleven thousand of them getting ready for a counteroffencive six weeks ago? Has anyone seen any actual evidance of any Koreans anywhere besides 'trust us bro'?
Eleven thousand people - someone must have seen them, even read articles about their porn watching habits. Nothing? Weird.
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