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On September 22 2024 05:55 BGHplayer wrote:


This does not make any sense, especially when sometimes only 1, 2 or 3 bots are running. As suggested its best to be 2x SAB and 2x CDE, during active hours.

On September 24 2024 06:35 beWaterMyFriend78 wrote:
No makes no sens because you need more than 4 bots.

On September 24 2024 06:53 Wormer wrote:
Most player base is in BCDE, it is unfair to host only SAB games during the prime time that only benefits 30% of players.

SA players want to play without C. Please note that C players sometimes also want to play without S. Meet needs of both, split SABC into SAB and ABC, when possible.

Further improvements possible. Gather statistics. When SAB game is getting remade due to a timer, remake it as SABC game, then make SAB again. Same for DEF games.

On September 24 2024 16:33 BGHplayer wrote:
There are more than 300 players played last 30 days ranked S, A and B.

On September 24 2024 16:33 BGHplayer wrote:
What do you mean cover 30% of players? When there will be 2 bots for the CDEF at the same time?? Exactly meeting the need for both is 2xSAB and 2xCDE, I dont see it any more clear than that.

On September 24 2024 18:36 Wormer wrote:


But it's only 30% of all players, there are 680 active players ranked lower than B.

The active player base is divided into 2% S players, 7% for A and F groups each, and 21% B, C, D, E each group. According to the data only 20 S players were active.



That's the point: two SAB bots for 30% of the player base, and two bots for the rest 70% seems unfair. If we are talking about 4 online bots, more fair solution would be to designate one bot to SAB, two other bots to CDEF, and the forth bot to all ranks.

In my opinion playing with slightly higher rank is what leads to the personal improvement. My other concern is total separation of B/C during the prime time might lead to a bigger gap between divisions -- the less mixed games are played the more independent SAB ranks will become from CDEF ranks. It is like dividing the ranking system into two separate worlds, where score points from a "higher" world become independent from score points of the "lower" world. CDEF players will only learn to play between themselves and will have a hard time when put into SAB world during all +50wins/4ranked times or when they obtain their B rank.

For instance SAC vs ABB played during 4ranked will be less balanced as it looks due to the fact that the score point of the C player is based mostly on CDEF games. The other example is when C rank (let's say player X) obtains his fresh B and joins his first SAB game -- that game will be unbalanced because newborn B rank has little experience with SAB, because X's score represents it's performance in CDEF world. Player X will be dropped back to C, where he soon wins enough games and the loop will repeat. Those players who are good enough to leave CDEF will be so to say unprepared for SAB games. It is hard to explain but the border between B/C becomes "sharp".

Generally speaking there are all kinds of different games: with smooth balance like CCC vs CCC, or mixed balance like SAC vs ABB; with neighbour start locations like top vs bottom, or when players from different teams are mixed; all types of races; different types of opening strategies; etc. But there is only one score number that represents a player. Player can play well in some circumstances, but lack the experience with the others. By putting players in all kinds of environments we are including more knowledge into the score about their performance. That why I feel it is important to have more mixed games during the prime time when the most games are played.

After all, team games are not all about those 1v1 skills that include tactical battles, units control, an ability to macro, but also about team skills that include the ability to read their allies, assist when needed, making decisions when ally can be helped or when a counterattack is the better answer. S ranks skill also includes the ability to communicate with his team, to lead his team where some players can play much worse than the others. This kind of skill is only developed in mixed balance games like SAC vs SAC.

On September 25 2024 06:08 beWaterMyFriend78 wrote:
@ Wormer According to your calculation, you would need 6 bots, but there are only 4 available.
It doesn't matter in the end, people have tried to change it several times, but the admin doesn't agree

1. SA are not active because they leave the games when they have C rank allies vs AAB or something. 70% of games. Cant you see this results in eventually only full room of C ranks, making no difference game level than CDEF, which is what u wanted, all bots playing C rank games. What skills are you learning exactly then?

2. As already mentioned several times, about 100-200 from allthose C ranks will go B rank right away, that will make SAB like 50% of players or so.

Also btw its better to drop from B to C then from C to D, which proves how low level players were allowed in SABC

And you are wrong that players will drop to anyway, because then B ranks will team up with S ranks, which is what we need to improve them further, isnt that what u wanted?

3. Its 2024, I am afraid by now you either learn a decent level or you never will, so I dont really undestand what chance and for what ballance are you talking about, when most of those ppl just started BW or just not active at all.
I also wanna go into ASL, but obviously aint gonna happen. Get over it.

4. Have you tried to control/ communicate and team play with EF rank? The feeling is the same when SA tries to control the majority of C= Nobody listen anything and if they do its either late or poorly performed. Waste of time.

PS @Admin, those 300 SAB can increase to 400-500 players if you increase those percentages mentioned above, so that the ladder is really split to something like 40: 60 SAB:CDEF.
Example: S about 40-50 top players, A about 150, and B about 250, so u get like 450 SAB, and 550 CDEF which would fill the 1000 limit I am guessing? I am positive this would change the ladder for good and get more players to come.

On September 26 2024 01:08 patetique wrote:
our admin is a mathematician, not a tournament or championship organizer.
this bot was created for a balanced game, not for organizing a championship.
player C will always be player C. maybe sometimes B or D, but after 100 games - it is unlikely that anything will change.
the admin counted the players, this is done for EVERYONE, not just the best, that is why resource balancing is done this way. do you think it is difficult to get into the SABC game? well, try to find a place in the CDE game in the evening. every year someone tries to stand out, to show that he is better and he is bored playing with the rest. well, ok. go to the Korean server. CDEF is the majority. and it cannot depend on the minority.
try chip in some money every month, offer the admin to launch a dedicated server for you. SAB or whatever you want.. we were given the opportunity to play in balance. they maintain a rating. it is inappropriate to demand something..