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On June 08 2024 07:32 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 06:38 AlphaZero wrote:
Oats and Sandro are top town.
Trfel is really worrying me. On the surface is very pro town, but also playing in a clearly different way to his prior games. I don’t really like his scum reads at all. I don’t level as if he is being that proactive in getting kelsier lynched, even though he apparently strongly suspects him.
And I find his reasoning for his scumreads much weaker than his other posts. I agree with a lot of his analysis but not when it comes to finding mafia…
I think his Smurf hunting made more sense logically than his scum reads which bothers me.
I wouldn’t lynch today, but if there is an active mafia hiding it’s this guy.
Scott just looks bad to me, completely forgettable, aside from his question that has already been analysed I couldn’t tell you why exactly. His scum hunting just comes across as manufactured,
Won’t lynch Marv today.
Rso has felt town by vibe.
Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him
Rayn is being Rayn. Pretty much null.
Mocsta: looked better disengaging than when he was trying to do stuff. Don’t know what that means.
Kelsier: anyone with a strong opinion here is sus. Very null.
Rest need to post more or post more meaningful stuff. I guess I dunno what more I can do with Kelsi3r, people aren't super interested in lynching him, it is what it is. I mean I could definitely be wrong. But if he is mafia and gets through this it's not due to my lack of trying. I guess if he is town and doesn't change anything and survives that's also not due to my lack of trying  But you get my point. Is your "won't lynch marvellosity" thing a town read thing or a waiting thing?
It’s a “bad idea to try and lynch Marv day one thing” when he is playing the game and seems to be enjoying things.
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On June 08 2024 07:37 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 07:29 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 07:11 rsoultin wrote:On June 08 2024 06:58 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 06:53 rsoultin wrote:On June 08 2024 06:47 AlphaZero wrote:
Ohhh I figured out a part of why Scott looks bad. I read his posts and I can’t agree with his perspective, and he seems confused about things that look obvious to me.
Even when I don’t agree with everything, most players post something I can empathise with. Scott’s thought processes are alien to me.
Like he can’t fathom people town reading oats. Doesn’t make sense to me cause last looks clearly town. And good players are picking that up.
okay, but...thought experiment, if scott is scum and oats is town, does that make sense as a read? i mean i guess if he was looking for a mislynch it could be frustrating to have people just remove someone from the table for what seems like very little but there are other low-hanging fruit to push or do you think they're both scum and scott knows oats is scum and then the 'good players' thing making a townread on oats is kinda negated isn't it? Can you explain what you mean a bit more? It’s interesting but I am not sure I grasp the thought yet. i'm not really sure how to explain it better, tbh. i just don't feel lynching people you don't agree with or don't have the same reads as you is a great way to find scum generally, and i'm struggling to find the mafia motivation for being frustrated, seemingly, that someone you struggle to read others are townreading so easily with little to no explanation when you're trying to figure out their alignment. i know that's assuming town motivation, but what's the scum one i guess is the point? The scum motivation is that it’s frustrating for townies to clear townies for “bad” reasons. I take your point however I do think there is value in determining if you can empathise (not agree) with someone’s thought processes cause that makes it more likely to be genuine. Remember mafia aren’t really thinking like town, so they are going to have times that their reads are just too ‘wrong’ to be town. i see your point. i don't fully agree on scott in particular in no small part because i can empathize with struggling to read someone as town but you could be right and i'm just wrong so there's that lol ><
And the reverse is also possible
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On June 08 2024 07:38 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 07:37 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well at least i found one true town in rsoultin.
Best read so dar. Based on your well known excellent read of her, as you yourself mentioned?  Also based on rsoultins filter at the time I don’t see how you can disagree with what I said The argument isn't really about rsoultin's filter, it's that rsoultin's last post at the time in question was about halfway down page 8 of the thread.
I don't understand what you are expecting her, or anyone for that matter, to say, at that point in the thread when there is so little actual information to work with?
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On June 08 2024 07:39 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 06:38 AlphaZero wrote:
Oats and Sandro are top town.
Trfel is really worrying me. On the surface is very pro town, but also playing in a clearly different way to his prior games. I don’t really like his scum reads at all. I don’t level as if he is being that proactive in getting kelsier lynched, even though he apparently strongly suspects him.
And I find his reasoning for his scumreads much weaker than his other posts. I agree with a lot of his analysis but not when it comes to finding mafia…
I think his Smurf hunting made more sense logically than his scum reads which bothers me.
I wouldn’t lynch today, but if there is an active mafia hiding it’s this guy.
Scott just looks bad to me, completely forgettable, aside from his question that has already been analysed I couldn’t tell you why exactly. His scum hunting just comes across as manufactured,
Won’t lynch Marv today.
Rso has felt town by vibe.
Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him
Rayn is being Rayn. Pretty much null.
Mocsta: looked better disengaging than when he was trying to do stuff. Don’t know what that means.
Kelsier: anyone with a strong opinion here is sus. Very null.
Rest need to post more or post more meaningful stuff. I guess I dunno what more I can do with Kelsi3r, people aren't super interested in lynching him, it is what it is. I mean I could definitely be wrong. But if he is mafia and gets through this it's not due to my lack of trying. I guess if he is town and doesn't change anything and survives that's also not due to my lack of trying But you get my point. Is your "won't lynch marvellosity" thing a town read thing or a waiting thing? It’s a “bad idea to try and lynch Marv day one thing” when he is playing the game and seems to be enjoying things. Fair, I understand that view. Not sure if I agree but I at least get it.
I would definitely be very sad to lynch him, like I said, he's the funniest player so far. That's a pretty big motivator.
People seem to have strong opinions on sandroba and Vivax and I'm just not seeing it right now. (same with Oatsmaster but that's on me for being bad so I expect this, it doesn't worry me yet)
Can anyone post or point me to a reasonable explanation of reading sandroba or Vivax?
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On June 08 2024 03:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 01:13 marvellosity wrote:
Rsoultin’s filter is full of a lot of nothing, having just given it a quick read. Don’t see much of an original thought about anything, but plenty of words to say so I mean i really really hate this post.
Explain yourself!!
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On June 08 2024 07:45 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 03:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 01:13 marvellosity wrote:
Rsoultin’s filter is full of a lot of nothing, having just given it a quick read. Don’t see much of an original thought about anything, but plenty of words to say so I mean i really really hate this post. Explain yourself!! Talk to me marvellosity, I'm pretty sure raynpelikoneet and I are seeing the same thing.
Unless we aren't, in which I guess I'm just really stupid. But still talk to me, because I still have an issue with your post. Just, you know, talk to raynpelikoneet too I guess.
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On June 08 2024 07:45 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 07:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 06:38 AlphaZero wrote:
Oats and Sandro are top town.
Trfel is really worrying me. On the surface is very pro town, but also playing in a clearly different way to his prior games. I don’t really like his scum reads at all. I don’t level as if he is being that proactive in getting kelsier lynched, even though he apparently strongly suspects him.
And I find his reasoning for his scumreads much weaker than his other posts. I agree with a lot of his analysis but not when it comes to finding mafia…
I think his Smurf hunting made more sense logically than his scum reads which bothers me.
I wouldn’t lynch today, but if there is an active mafia hiding it’s this guy.
Scott just looks bad to me, completely forgettable, aside from his question that has already been analysed I couldn’t tell you why exactly. His scum hunting just comes across as manufactured,
Won’t lynch Marv today.
Rso has felt town by vibe.
Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him
Rayn is being Rayn. Pretty much null.
Mocsta: looked better disengaging than when he was trying to do stuff. Don’t know what that means.
Kelsier: anyone with a strong opinion here is sus. Very null.
Rest need to post more or post more meaningful stuff. I guess I dunno what more I can do with Kelsi3r, people aren't super interested in lynching him, it is what it is. I mean I could definitely be wrong. But if he is mafia and gets through this it's not due to my lack of trying. I guess if he is town and doesn't change anything and survives that's also not due to my lack of trying But you get my point. Is your "won't lynch marvellosity" thing a town read thing or a waiting thing? It’s a “bad idea to try and lynch Marv day one thing” when he is playing the game and seems to be enjoying things. Fair, I understand that view. Not sure if I agree but I at least get it. I would definitely be very sad to lynch him, like I said, he's the funniest player so far. That's a pretty big motivator.
People seem to have strong opinions on sandroba and Vivax and I'm just not seeing it right now. (same with Oatsmaster but that's on me for being bad so I expect this, it doesn't worry me yet) Can anyone post or point me to a reasonable explanation of reading sandroba or Vivax?
Sandros catchup posting resonated with me. He seemed to be just comfortable putting things out there.
Vivax im not sure anyone should how anyone could call him town right now.
He looked ok initially. Recently pretty meh.
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On June 08 2024 07:45 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 03:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 01:13 marvellosity wrote:
Rsoultin’s filter is full of a lot of nothing, having just given it a quick read. Don’t see much of an original thought about anything, but plenty of words to say so I mean i really really hate this post. Explain yourself!!
Do you really not get it?
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On June 08 2024 07:46 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 07:45 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 03:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 01:13 marvellosity wrote:
Rsoultin’s filter is full of a lot of nothing, having just given it a quick read. Don’t see much of an original thought about anything, but plenty of words to say so I mean i really really hate this post. Explain yourself!! Talk to me marvellosity, I'm pretty sure raynpelikoneet and I are seeing the same thing. Unless we aren't, in which I guess I'm just really stupid. But still talk to me, because I still have an issue with your post. Just, you know, talk to raynpelikoneet too I guess.
Well as you’re here, explain what was wrong about what I said?
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On June 08 2024 07:47 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 07:45 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 03:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 01:13 marvellosity wrote:
Rsoultin’s filter is full of a lot of nothing, having just given it a quick read. Don’t see much of an original thought about anything, but plenty of words to say so I mean i really really hate this post. Explain yourself!! Do you really not get it?
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I just put it in the post right above? #503?
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On June 08 2024 07:48 Trfel wrote:
I just put it in the post right above? #503?
Okay the perils of trying to catch up and post in he thread at the same time. Please hold
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On June 08 2024 07:47 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 07:47 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 07:45 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 03:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 01:13 marvellosity wrote:
Rsoultin’s filter is full of a lot of nothing, having just given it a quick read. Don’t see much of an original thought about anything, but plenty of words to say so I mean i really really hate this post. Explain yourself!! Do you really not get it? Apparently not
He is saying that you made a read you should not make as town.
At least that’s my interpretation.
It’s a very Rayn thing to think.
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On June 08 2024 07:40 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 07:38 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 07:37 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well at least i found one true town in rsoultin.
Best read so dar. Based on your well known excellent read of her, as you yourself mentioned? Also based on rsoultins filter at the time I don’t see how you can disagree with what I said The argument isn't really about rsoultin's filter, it's that rsoultin's last post at the time in question was about halfway down page 8 of the thread. I don't understand what you are expecting her, or anyone for that matter, to say, at that point in the thread when there is so little actual information to work with?
Okay. Here it is.
To be frank I had no idea where in the thread rsouls last post went to. I just clicked her filter because someone (??) mentioned her and I looked and didn’t see much. If the context of the thread is that she shouldn’t have said anything, I am more than happy to stand corrected.
I mean, I assume there was a reason she was in my null pile when I made the list
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On June 08 2024 07:46 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 07:45 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 07:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 06:38 AlphaZero wrote:
Oats and Sandro are top town.
Trfel is really worrying me. On the surface is very pro town, but also playing in a clearly different way to his prior games. I don’t really like his scum reads at all. I don’t level as if he is being that proactive in getting kelsier lynched, even though he apparently strongly suspects him.
And I find his reasoning for his scumreads much weaker than his other posts. I agree with a lot of his analysis but not when it comes to finding mafia…
I think his Smurf hunting made more sense logically than his scum reads which bothers me.
I wouldn’t lynch today, but if there is an active mafia hiding it’s this guy.
Scott just looks bad to me, completely forgettable, aside from his question that has already been analysed I couldn’t tell you why exactly. His scum hunting just comes across as manufactured,
Won’t lynch Marv today.
Rso has felt town by vibe.
Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him
Rayn is being Rayn. Pretty much null.
Mocsta: looked better disengaging than when he was trying to do stuff. Don’t know what that means.
Kelsier: anyone with a strong opinion here is sus. Very null.
Rest need to post more or post more meaningful stuff. I guess I dunno what more I can do with Kelsi3r, people aren't super interested in lynching him, it is what it is. I mean I could definitely be wrong. But if he is mafia and gets through this it's not due to my lack of trying. I guess if he is town and doesn't change anything and survives that's also not due to my lack of trying But you get my point. Is your "won't lynch marvellosity" thing a town read thing or a waiting thing? It’s a “bad idea to try and lynch Marv day one thing” when he is playing the game and seems to be enjoying things. Fair, I understand that view. Not sure if I agree but I at least get it. I would definitely be very sad to lynch him, like I said, he's the funniest player so far. That's a pretty big motivator.
People seem to have strong opinions on sandroba and Vivax and I'm just not seeing it right now. (same with Oatsmaster but that's on me for being bad so I expect this, it doesn't worry me yet) Can anyone post or point me to a reasonable explanation of reading sandroba or Vivax? Sandros catchup posting resonated with me. He seemed to be just comfortable putting things out there. Vivax im not sure anyone should how anyone could call him town right now. He looked ok initially. Recently pretty meh. I agree about Vivax, he feels decidedly meh to me.
Can I ask more about sandroba? Are you referring to the posts 2 hours ago, or 4? Because reading over both, I don't actually feel like he is doing much, just kinda asking questions. This isn't bad per se, but it doesn't really give me any reason to townread him? He hasn't had a ton of meaningful thoughts in a while imo.
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On June 08 2024 07:23 rsoultin wrote:
idk about viva i think that's more nully...i like some things but i'm missing some of that out of the box thinking that's classic town viva
i don't think i'd lynch him today in any case
What do you like from vivax
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On June 08 2024 07:51 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 07:40 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 07:38 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 07:37 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well at least i found one true town in rsoultin.
Best read so dar. Based on your well known excellent read of her, as you yourself mentioned? Also based on rsoultins filter at the time I don’t see how you can disagree with what I said The argument isn't really about rsoultin's filter, it's that rsoultin's last post at the time in question was about halfway down page 8 of the thread. I don't understand what you are expecting her, or anyone for that matter, to say, at that point in the thread when there is so little actual information to work with? Okay. Here it is. To be frank I had no idea where in the thread rsouls last post went to. I just clicked her filter because someone (??) mentioned her and I looked and didn’t see much. If the context of the thread is that she shouldn’t have said anything, I am more than happy to stand corrected. I mean, I assume there was a reason she was in my null pile when I made the list I mean I guess it depends on your standards for post quality by mid page 8. To me, there wasn't a ton worth deeply analyzing, just the scott31337 thing and maybe a small raynpelikoneet thing if you care about that.
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Also can I just say.
If you all think I’m too smart to make a poor post on rsoul because she hadn’t posted after page 8.
Then you need to be consistent and understand I am also too smart as mafia to make that post.
Because I am now suffering the inevitable conclusion.
I refer back to my list post once more as that’s where I actually stood having read the game. My bad for not contextualising rsouls filter.
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On June 08 2024 07:56 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 07:51 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 07:40 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 07:38 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 07:37 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well at least i found one true town in rsoultin.
Best read so dar. Based on your well known excellent read of her, as you yourself mentioned? Also based on rsoultins filter at the time I don’t see how you can disagree with what I said The argument isn't really about rsoultin's filter, it's that rsoultin's last post at the time in question was about halfway down page 8 of the thread. I don't understand what you are expecting her, or anyone for that matter, to say, at that point in the thread when there is so little actual information to work with? Okay. Here it is. To be frank I had no idea where in the thread rsouls last post went to. I just clicked her filter because someone (??) mentioned her and I looked and didn’t see much. If the context of the thread is that she shouldn’t have said anything, I am more than happy to stand corrected. I mean, I assume there was a reason she was in my null pile when I made the list I mean I guess it depends on your standards for post quality by mid page 8. To me, there wasn't a ton worth deeply analyzing, just the scott31337 thing and maybe a small raynpelikoneet thing if you care about that.
You misunderstood what I said truffle
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On June 08 2024 07:53 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 07:46 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 07:45 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 07:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 06:38 AlphaZero wrote:
Oats and Sandro are top town.
Trfel is really worrying me. On the surface is very pro town, but also playing in a clearly different way to his prior games. I don’t really like his scum reads at all. I don’t level as if he is being that proactive in getting kelsier lynched, even though he apparently strongly suspects him.
And I find his reasoning for his scumreads much weaker than his other posts. I agree with a lot of his analysis but not when it comes to finding mafia…
I think his Smurf hunting made more sense logically than his scum reads which bothers me.
I wouldn’t lynch today, but if there is an active mafia hiding it’s this guy.
Scott just looks bad to me, completely forgettable, aside from his question that has already been analysed I couldn’t tell you why exactly. His scum hunting just comes across as manufactured,
Won’t lynch Marv today.
Rso has felt town by vibe.
Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him
Rayn is being Rayn. Pretty much null.
Mocsta: looked better disengaging than when he was trying to do stuff. Don’t know what that means.
Kelsier: anyone with a strong opinion here is sus. Very null.
Rest need to post more or post more meaningful stuff. I guess I dunno what more I can do with Kelsi3r, people aren't super interested in lynching him, it is what it is. I mean I could definitely be wrong. But if he is mafia and gets through this it's not due to my lack of trying. I guess if he is town and doesn't change anything and survives that's also not due to my lack of trying But you get my point. Is your "won't lynch marvellosity" thing a town read thing or a waiting thing? It’s a “bad idea to try and lynch Marv day one thing” when he is playing the game and seems to be enjoying things. Fair, I understand that view. Not sure if I agree but I at least get it. I would definitely be very sad to lynch him, like I said, he's the funniest player so far. That's a pretty big motivator.
People seem to have strong opinions on sandroba and Vivax and I'm just not seeing it right now. (same with Oatsmaster but that's on me for being bad so I expect this, it doesn't worry me yet) Can anyone post or point me to a reasonable explanation of reading sandroba or Vivax? Sandros catchup posting resonated with me. He seemed to be just comfortable putting things out there. Vivax im not sure anyone should how anyone could call him town right now. He looked ok initially. Recently pretty meh. I agree about Vivax, he feels decidedly meh to me. Can I ask more about sandroba? Are you referring to the posts 2 hours ago, or 4? Because reading over both, I don't actually feel like he is doing much, just kinda asking questions. This isn't bad per se, but it doesn't really give me any reason to townread him? He hasn't had a ton of meaningful thoughts in a while imo.
I’m talking about his catchup and entry into the thread.
If you don’t think it’s bad what’s the issue. Sandro will look townie if he is town.
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