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well damn now i have to look at scott, too
is not lynching marv just policy, alpha? nope, can't call you alpha that felt wrong. AZ that's who you are now
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Ohhh I figured out a part of why Scott looks bad. I read his posts and I can’t agree with his perspective, and he seems confused about things that look obvious to me.
Even when I don’t agree with everything, most players post something I can empathise with. Scott’s thought processes are alien to me.
Like he can’t fathom people town reading oats. Doesn’t make sense to me cause last looks clearly town. And good players are picking that up.
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On June 08 2024 06:47 AlphaZero wrote:
Ohhh I figured out a part of why Scott looks bad. I read his posts and I can’t agree with his perspective, and he seems confused about things that look obvious to me.
Even when I don’t agree with everything, most players post something I can empathise with. Scott’s thought processes are alien to me.
Like he can’t fathom people town reading oats. Doesn’t make sense to me cause last looks clearly town. And good players are picking that up.
okay, but...thought experiment, if scott is scum and oats is town, does that make sense as a read? i mean i guess if he was looking for a mislynch it could be frustrating to have people just remove someone from the table for what seems like very little but there are other low-hanging fruit to push
or do you think they're both scum and scott knows oats is scum and then the 'good players' thing making a townread on oats is kinda negated isn't it?
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On June 08 2024 01:04 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 19:20 Mocsta wrote:
Trfel prepare to be disappointed
Although I did read as you predicted. Yet not much to analyze
You improved. Not sure why the tone changed but it did. And I like that rain observed at same time.i did
Rsoultin I'm back to neutral
Buzziest read to me is kelsier and alphazero
I don't find alphazero insight that great. I.e. Scott defense was adequate to me
And. Alpha is reading to immediately nitpick which I can't relate to
I'm looking for scum.and town. Just weird so far
His tactic of flag was a nice touch though. I will steal that for future
Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 20:11 Mocsta wrote:On June 07 2024 20:05 Kelsi3r wrote:On June 07 2024 20:02 Mocsta wrote:
How about why isn't rsoultin scum? Is she? Whats the case ? You have my vote now ##vote: kelsi3rFor being intentionally obtuse . This shouldn't be this hard mate After re-reading the page before, this makes sense to me. Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 21:09 die_meatbaby wrote:
Good morning
I am suprised that there are so few pages to catch up, was expexting more. Ehhh... This is like a "I don't know what else to write" Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 21:45 Vivax wrote:
I‘d say that marv has likely rolled mafia based on his recent non-posts I was going to give him another 6 or so hours, but yes - if marv rolls mafia he's super quiet. Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 22:17 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2024 13:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 07 2024 13:48 rsoultin wrote:
Truffle thinking this is about arguments. Well I was kinda hoping for a rayn follow-up but tbf you were concentrating on more important things so I'll just pout a little in the corner instead.
Rayn, I am very, very happy that your 'Truffle is having fun' wasn't a townread. That's how I initially read it and I was like...hmm. The calling people stupid thing was also not greeeat but idk as part of a joke it's not as weird for a truffle.
Regarding the oats thing, I kinda get what Viva's putting down as an early read. It's very derpy derpy fuck you which feels nice and relaxed to me. I'm not quite sure why it's significant to you, though? The jump on the not reading the OP comment felt...ick. Very low-hanging fruit. What's the mafia motivation for just declaring you're not reading it? This, Trfel, is why i gave town points for rsoultin. It would be very easy read for mafia to make (even on a partner), just because "happy to play = town", which ofc is bullshit. Now based on MY view of your "relationship with rsoultin in mafia games", she might have even made that read as mafia. Let’s be honest, it would be a downright blunder for maf-rsoultin to have done that. I liked rayn's point - marv agrees with it also. *noted* Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 23:21 sandroba wrote:
I actually like k3lsier too, 0 fucks given on mocsta interaction, seems very townie to me See I disagree with this. Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 23:41 Vivax wrote:
I don‘t like how AZ went redflag mode on Scott only to conveniently forget about it and start gunning at Mocsta.
If you‘re going to look that convinced on someone why switch priorities so easily ? Although we did talk about the "red flags" weren't scum reading per se, I like this observation. Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 00:05 Vivax wrote:On June 07 2024 12:57 scott31337 wrote:On June 07 2024 12:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you think of the situation regarding you scott?
Do you get Alpha's argument? I think it's helping to drive discussion. I kind of get it, but, it really was a question for someone more experienced to give a point of view of how it helps. That's all I was looking for. I liked what you said and it made sense. I thought Alphazero was doing the red flags to call me scummy at first. This is a weak answer imo. I'm not a good judge of Scotts character imo but all of this is very weasel-y and evasive. His inner bully didn't awaken from being double prodded, so maybe it doesn*t exist altogether because it's something inherent to townies. If I got bombarded with red flags I'd be more inquisitive I think. My memory isn't the best - but it was more flagging the post then "Scott is mafia with red flags." Wouldn't lynch order raynpelikoneet - townie inquizzitive vibes. Hopefully we can figure out this game like last one and smoke out the mafs. Vivax - feels like his townie game too. marvellosity - feels like usual townie game. Like I mentioned, super quiet as mafia. Mocsta - I see him as town searching around - he seems to have an accurate read on me. Trfel - Feels townie as well. I'll be unvoting him. rsoultin - Even in obs I have a terrible time reading this person. Two people with more experience say elsewhise. Oatsmaster - I could be convinced, but is playing a little different. Could lynch order: Kelsi3r - His back and forths with Mocsta was pretty bad when Mocsta seemed genuine to me. Alakaslam - nothing of value contributed die_meatbaby - not enough info sandroba - Stayed on the Mason bandwagon after reading the thread - read of Kelsi3r and others seem bad AlphaZero - I don't think this is HF. Maybe DP? But seems to be a experienced player shitting up the thread. Hinted at me then went after Mocsta So I'm unvoting Trfel and voting for Kelsi3r.
i think i didn't hate his reads was what it was cause we're mostly on similar pages, and he seems to not be too fazed by the early pressure from folks. that said it's not a strong townlean
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On June 08 2024 06:53 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 06:47 AlphaZero wrote:
Ohhh I figured out a part of why Scott looks bad. I read his posts and I can’t agree with his perspective, and he seems confused about things that look obvious to me.
Even when I don’t agree with everything, most players post something I can empathise with. Scott’s thought processes are alien to me.
Like he can’t fathom people town reading oats. Doesn’t make sense to me cause last looks clearly town. And good players are picking that up.
okay, but...thought experiment, if scott is scum and oats is town, does that make sense as a read? i mean i guess if he was looking for a mislynch it could be frustrating to have people just remove someone from the table for what seems like very little but there are other low-hanging fruit to push or do you think they're both scum and scott knows oats is scum and then the 'good players' thing making a townread on oats is kinda negated isn't it?
Can you explain what you mean a bit more? It’s interesting but I am not sure I grasp the thought yet.
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On June 08 2024 06:57 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 01:04 scott31337 wrote:On June 07 2024 19:20 Mocsta wrote:
Trfel prepare to be disappointed
Although I did read as you predicted. Yet not much to analyze
You improved. Not sure why the tone changed but it did. And I like that rain observed at same time.i did
Rsoultin I'm back to neutral
Buzziest read to me is kelsier and alphazero
I don't find alphazero insight that great. I.e. Scott defense was adequate to me
And. Alpha is reading to immediately nitpick which I can't relate to
I'm looking for scum.and town. Just weird so far
His tactic of flag was a nice touch though. I will steal that for future
On June 07 2024 20:11 Mocsta wrote:On June 07 2024 20:05 Kelsi3r wrote:On June 07 2024 20:02 Mocsta wrote:
How about why isn't rsoultin scum? Is she? Whats the case ? You have my vote now ##vote: kelsi3rFor being intentionally obtuse . This shouldn't be this hard mate After re-reading the page before, this makes sense to me. On June 07 2024 21:09 die_meatbaby wrote:
Good morning
I am suprised that there are so few pages to catch up, was expexting more. Ehhh... This is like a "I don't know what else to write" On June 07 2024 21:45 Vivax wrote:
I‘d say that marv has likely rolled mafia based on his recent non-posts I was going to give him another 6 or so hours, but yes - if marv rolls mafia he's super quiet. On June 07 2024 22:17 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2024 13:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 07 2024 13:48 rsoultin wrote:
Truffle thinking this is about arguments. Well I was kinda hoping for a rayn follow-up but tbf you were concentrating on more important things so I'll just pout a little in the corner instead.
Rayn, I am very, very happy that your 'Truffle is having fun' wasn't a townread. That's how I initially read it and I was like...hmm. The calling people stupid thing was also not greeeat but idk as part of a joke it's not as weird for a truffle.
Regarding the oats thing, I kinda get what Viva's putting down as an early read. It's very derpy derpy fuck you which feels nice and relaxed to me. I'm not quite sure why it's significant to you, though? The jump on the not reading the OP comment felt...ick. Very low-hanging fruit. What's the mafia motivation for just declaring you're not reading it? This, Trfel, is why i gave town points for rsoultin. It would be very easy read for mafia to make (even on a partner), just because "happy to play = town", which ofc is bullshit. Now based on MY view of your "relationship with rsoultin in mafia games", she might have even made that read as mafia. Let’s be honest, it would be a downright blunder for maf-rsoultin to have done that. I liked rayn's point - marv agrees with it also. *noted* On June 07 2024 23:21 sandroba wrote:
I actually like k3lsier too, 0 fucks given on mocsta interaction, seems very townie to me See I disagree with this. On June 07 2024 23:41 Vivax wrote:
I don‘t like how AZ went redflag mode on Scott only to conveniently forget about it and start gunning at Mocsta.
If you‘re going to look that convinced on someone why switch priorities so easily ? Although we did talk about the "red flags" weren't scum reading per se, I like this observation. On June 08 2024 00:05 Vivax wrote:On June 07 2024 12:57 scott31337 wrote:On June 07 2024 12:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you think of the situation regarding you scott?
Do you get Alpha's argument? I think it's helping to drive discussion. I kind of get it, but, it really was a question for someone more experienced to give a point of view of how it helps. That's all I was looking for. I liked what you said and it made sense. I thought Alphazero was doing the red flags to call me scummy at first. This is a weak answer imo. I'm not a good judge of Scotts character imo but all of this is very weasel-y and evasive. His inner bully didn't awaken from being double prodded, so maybe it doesn*t exist altogether because it's something inherent to townies. If I got bombarded with red flags I'd be more inquisitive I think. My memory isn't the best - but it was more flagging the post then "Scott is mafia with red flags." Wouldn't lynch order raynpelikoneet - townie inquizzitive vibes. Hopefully we can figure out this game like last one and smoke out the mafs. Vivax - feels like his townie game too. marvellosity - feels like usual townie game. Like I mentioned, super quiet as mafia. Mocsta - I see him as town searching around - he seems to have an accurate read on me. Trfel - Feels townie as well. I'll be unvoting him. rsoultin - Even in obs I have a terrible time reading this person. Two people with more experience say elsewhise. Oatsmaster - I could be convinced, but is playing a little different. Could lynch order: Kelsi3r - His back and forths with Mocsta was pretty bad when Mocsta seemed genuine to me. Alakaslam - nothing of value contributed die_meatbaby - not enough info sandroba - Stayed on the Mason bandwagon after reading the thread - read of Kelsi3r and others seem bad AlphaZero - I don't think this is HF. Maybe DP? But seems to be a experienced player shitting up the thread. Hinted at me then went after Mocsta So I'm unvoting Trfel and voting for Kelsi3r. i think i didn't hate his reads was what it was cause we're mostly on similar pages, and he seems to not be too fazed by the early pressure from folks. that said it's not a strong townlean
Interesting. To me that list said was thoroughly underwhelming and said basically nothing except he wants to lynch Kelsier.
I will have a think about it.
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ehhhh nah i'm still not feeling marv. it would be super fun to lynch a scum marv throwing shade at me, but i can't get over that breezy playful tone
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Rso can you explain to me why Kellsier seems to be scum read by everyone. Am I missing something here?
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On June 08 2024 06:58 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 06:53 rsoultin wrote:On June 08 2024 06:47 AlphaZero wrote:
Ohhh I figured out a part of why Scott looks bad. I read his posts and I can’t agree with his perspective, and he seems confused about things that look obvious to me.
Even when I don’t agree with everything, most players post something I can empathise with. Scott’s thought processes are alien to me.
Like he can’t fathom people town reading oats. Doesn’t make sense to me cause last looks clearly town. And good players are picking that up.
okay, but...thought experiment, if scott is scum and oats is town, does that make sense as a read? i mean i guess if he was looking for a mislynch it could be frustrating to have people just remove someone from the table for what seems like very little but there are other low-hanging fruit to push or do you think they're both scum and scott knows oats is scum and then the 'good players' thing making a townread on oats is kinda negated isn't it? Can you explain what you mean a bit more? It’s interesting but I am not sure I grasp the thought yet.
i'm not really sure how to explain it better, tbh. i just don't feel lynching people you don't agree with or don't have the same reads as you is a great way to find scum generally, and i'm struggling to find the mafia motivation for being frustrated, seemingly, that someone you struggle to read others are townreading so easily with little to no explanation when you're trying to figure out their alignment. i know that's assuming town motivation, but what's the scum one i guess is the point?
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On June 08 2024 02:30 rsoultin wrote:
also tbc truffle looks good now <3 doesn't mean i don't want credit pfft
marv i like that seems like the easiest read ever but whatevs, the pounce on sandy gave my good vibes even if he later got the dumbs and backed off over a kelsier townread
Not just this, I agreed with the Scott take and sand came to the same conclusion as me on Trfel in the end too.
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On June 08 2024 07:06 AlphaZero wrote:
Rso can you explain to me why Kellsier seems to be scum read by everyone. Am I missing something here?
mostly just doing nothing while still being present in the thread
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On June 08 2024 07:12 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 02:30 rsoultin wrote:
also tbc truffle looks good now <3 doesn't mean i don't want credit pfft
marv i like that seems like the easiest read ever but whatevs, the pounce on sandy gave my good vibes even if he later got the dumbs and backed off over a kelsier townread Not just this, I agreed with the Scott take and sand came to the same conclusion as me on Trfel in the end too.
fair i suppose, what do you think of him now?
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On June 08 2024 07:15 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 07:12 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 02:30 rsoultin wrote:
also tbc truffle looks good now <3 doesn't mean i don't want credit pfft
marv i like that seems like the easiest read ever but whatevs, the pounce on sandy gave my good vibes even if he later got the dumbs and backed off over a kelsier townread Not just this, I agreed with the Scott take and sand came to the same conclusion as me on Trfel in the end too. fair i suppose, what do you think of him now?
Not read since the post I just quoted. Just meandering towards bed and will catch up
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idk about viva i think that's more nully...i like some things but i'm missing some of that out of the box thinking that's classic town viva
i don't think i'd lynch him today in any case
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On June 08 2024 07:11 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 06:58 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 06:53 rsoultin wrote:On June 08 2024 06:47 AlphaZero wrote:
Ohhh I figured out a part of why Scott looks bad. I read his posts and I can’t agree with his perspective, and he seems confused about things that look obvious to me.
Even when I don’t agree with everything, most players post something I can empathise with. Scott’s thought processes are alien to me.
Like he can’t fathom people town reading oats. Doesn’t make sense to me cause last looks clearly town. And good players are picking that up.
okay, but...thought experiment, if scott is scum and oats is town, does that make sense as a read? i mean i guess if he was looking for a mislynch it could be frustrating to have people just remove someone from the table for what seems like very little but there are other low-hanging fruit to push or do you think they're both scum and scott knows oats is scum and then the 'good players' thing making a townread on oats is kinda negated isn't it? Can you explain what you mean a bit more? It’s interesting but I am not sure I grasp the thought yet. i'm not really sure how to explain it better, tbh. i just don't feel lynching people you don't agree with or don't have the same reads as you is a great way to find scum generally, and i'm struggling to find the mafia motivation for being frustrated, seemingly, that someone you struggle to read others are townreading so easily with little to no explanation when you're trying to figure out their alignment. i know that's assuming town motivation, but what's the scum one i guess is the point?
The scum motivation is that it’s frustrating for townies to clear townies for “bad” reasons.
I take your point however I do think there is value in determining if you can empathise (not agree) with someone’s thought processes cause that makes it more likely to be genuine.
Remember mafia aren’t really thinking like town, so they are going to have times that their reads are just too ‘wrong’ to be town.
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All that being said. Scott’s open is the scummiest thing to happen all game, and his later posting doesn’t really turn that around.
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On June 08 2024 06:38 AlphaZero wrote:
Oats and Sandro are top town.
Trfel is really worrying me. On the surface is very pro town, but also playing in a clearly different way to his prior games. I don’t really like his scum reads at all. I don’t level as if he is being that proactive in getting kelsier lynched, even though he apparently strongly suspects him.
And I find his reasoning for his scumreads much weaker than his other posts. I agree with a lot of his analysis but not when it comes to finding mafia…
I think his Smurf hunting made more sense logically than his scum reads which bothers me.
I wouldn’t lynch today, but if there is an active mafia hiding it’s this guy.
Scott just looks bad to me, completely forgettable, aside from his question that has already been analysed I couldn’t tell you why exactly. His scum hunting just comes across as manufactured,
Won’t lynch Marv today.
Rso has felt town by vibe.
Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him
Rayn is being Rayn. Pretty much null.
Mocsta: looked better disengaging than when he was trying to do stuff. Don’t know what that means.
Kelsier: anyone with a strong opinion here is sus. Very null.
Rest need to post more or post more meaningful stuff. I guess I dunno what more I can do with Kelsi3r, people aren't super interested in lynching him, it is what it is. I mean I could definitely be wrong. But if he is mafia and gets through this it's not due to my lack of trying. I guess if he is town and doesn't change anything and survives that's also not due to my lack of trying  But you get my point.
Is your "won't lynch marvellosity" thing a town read thing or a waiting thing?
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On June 08 2024 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well at least i found one true town in rsoultin.
Best read so dar.
Based on your well known excellent read of her, as you yourself mentioned? 
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On June 08 2024 07:29 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 07:11 rsoultin wrote:On June 08 2024 06:58 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 06:53 rsoultin wrote:On June 08 2024 06:47 AlphaZero wrote:
Ohhh I figured out a part of why Scott looks bad. I read his posts and I can’t agree with his perspective, and he seems confused about things that look obvious to me.
Even when I don’t agree with everything, most players post something I can empathise with. Scott’s thought processes are alien to me.
Like he can’t fathom people town reading oats. Doesn’t make sense to me cause last looks clearly town. And good players are picking that up.
okay, but...thought experiment, if scott is scum and oats is town, does that make sense as a read? i mean i guess if he was looking for a mislynch it could be frustrating to have people just remove someone from the table for what seems like very little but there are other low-hanging fruit to push or do you think they're both scum and scott knows oats is scum and then the 'good players' thing making a townread on oats is kinda negated isn't it? Can you explain what you mean a bit more? It’s interesting but I am not sure I grasp the thought yet. i'm not really sure how to explain it better, tbh. i just don't feel lynching people you don't agree with or don't have the same reads as you is a great way to find scum generally, and i'm struggling to find the mafia motivation for being frustrated, seemingly, that someone you struggle to read others are townreading so easily with little to no explanation when you're trying to figure out their alignment. i know that's assuming town motivation, but what's the scum one i guess is the point? The scum motivation is that it’s frustrating for townies to clear townies for “bad” reasons. I take your point however I do think there is value in determining if you can empathise (not agree) with someone’s thought processes cause that makes it more likely to be genuine. Remember mafia aren’t really thinking like town, so they are going to have times that their reads are just too ‘wrong’ to be town.
i see your point. i don't fully agree on scott in particular in no small part because i can empathize with struggling to read someone as town but you could be right and i'm just wrong so there's that lol ><
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On June 08 2024 07:37 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well at least i found one true town in rsoultin.
Best read so dar. Based on your well known excellent read of her, as you yourself mentioned?
Also based on rsoultins filter at the time I don’t see how you can disagree with what I said
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