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207aicila
1236 Posts
On November 24 2018 01:51 Morbidius wrote: What issues? It generates controversy, which generates more visitors and clicks. No one outside the SC2 community gives a shit (are these even shared on social media or anything?) and anyone who would care to read it to begin with is already here though. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On November 23 2018 09:13 Shuffleblade wrote: I can appreciate a different angle compared to the "Player X has struggled for many years, fought, persevered and now finally through grit and hardwork has he achived this great victory". Basically what this article boils down to though is, "he won but he's not really a good player" and as I said the article as such (even though I disagree with it strongly) is not bad but how it is used by others is. Posters that dislike Rogue keep coming back here everytime Rogue underachives to say "look, this article was right, Rogue is shit he just got lucky that one time". Can we just lock this thread and leave the gloaters that thrive on Rogue fanbois tears behind us? It's even worse than that. It's he won, but only won because a patch changes made him win. It's starts out with a reasonable observation that a patch may have boosted his strengths and weaknesses, but goes steadily downhill from there. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12125 Posts
On November 24 2018 01:51 Morbidius wrote: What issues? It generates controversy, which generates more visitors and clicks. It opened the Pandorra's box of patch* naming. Used to be one of the banned things on this forum. Now it's p[ossible toi name people patch* because a TL writer did it. And that's just plainly bad. I miss the old times. There you go, one issue. Also it's fucking offensive to players who literally abused one fucking unit and they didn't get the same treatment earlier, but hey, Rogue, who was near the top, is a patchZerg.... fffs Edit> some people got banned/warned when they named some players patchTerrans/patchZergs because they have risen because of certain patch updates and then they have fallen into shitty state. Rogue was at least still near the top, RO8 of Code S in this year, Blizzcon RO4 and gave the winner fair fight. But for many people he's a fucking patchZerg because TL writer named him such. It's so offensive against Rogue it's not even funny nowadays. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On November 24 2018 02:13 207aicila wrote: No one outside the SC2 community gives a shit (are these even shared on social media or anything?) and anyone who would care to read it to begin with is already here though. faulty logic. anyone who spends their time authoring articles on esports is an esports journalist and is almost certainly motivated by pride to draw in views and generate discussion with their writing, and the core principle of clickbait applies whether ten people read it or ten million. you can go on youtube right now and find people who get 100 views putting clickbait in their titles. frankly the quality of writing in these player highlight articles varies WILDLY on TL. there are some writers who have put out really thoughtful, interesting, informative stuff which i enjoyed reading on a human level. there are also other articles that reach too hard to create a sense of drama using cliches and strained narratives. so not everyone here is going to read every single article just because it's about SC2, the content of the article matters. human psychology is what it is, and a teardown of a respected player is absolutely clickbait. not to mention that SC2 is a scene that needs to support itself. we already have to criticize players who actually do things that are wrong like match fixing, abusive chat, etc. it's absurdly self-destructive to think we need to shit on players for lesser reasons like "isn't as good in my opinion as people think he is" or "is the best player in the world and got invited to a tournament." even the way we shit on lilbow was unnecessary, he never did anything wrong. i mean, if we don't care, we don't care. shit on anyone you want. but if we're just shitting on our own game then let's stop pretending "passion" is a thing and admit we're just playing popularity with video game nerds | ||
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207aicila
1236 Posts
On November 25 2018 00:49 brickrd wrote: faulty logic. anyone who spends their time authoring articles on esports is an esports journalist and is almost certainly motivated by pride to draw in views and generate discussion with their writing, and the core principle of clickbait applies whether ten people read it or ten million. you can go on youtube right now and find people who get 100 views putting clickbait in their titles. frankly the quality of writing in these player highlight articles varies WILDLY on TL. there are some writers who have put out really thoughtful, interesting, informative stuff which i enjoyed reading on a human level. there are also other articles that reach too hard to create a sense of drama using cliches and strained narratives. so not everyone here is going to read every single article just because it's about SC2, the content of the article matters. human psychology is what it is, and a teardown of a respected player is absolutely clickbait. not to mention that SC2 is a scene that needs to support itself. we already have to criticize players who actually do things that are wrong like match fixing, abusive chat, etc. it's absurdly self-destructive to think we need to shit on players for lesser reasons like "isn't as good in my opinion as people think he is" or "is the best player in the world and got invited to a tournament." even the way we shit on lilbow was unnecessary, he never did anything wrong. i mean, if we don't care, we don't care. shit on anyone you want. but if we're just shitting on our own game then let's stop pretending "passion" is a thing and admit we're just playing popularity with video game nerds I'm not sure what you're talking about here, but your decision to start off by calling out my "faulty logic" is hilarious. How is my logic faulty? I literally said that nobody outside the SC2 community would read these articles regardless of whether they're clickbait or not, which is an objective fact. If anything I agree that clickbait articles are bad, I was just pointing out that it's especially stupid to write them when you're in a bubble where it's impossible to expand beyond the people who will read them regardless. (I take it that the rest of your post is arguing why they're bad right? No qualms there) | ||
Nakajin
Canada8980 Posts
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Durnuu
13316 Posts
On May 06 2021 20:57 Nakajin wrote: The Emperor has so much clothes he's about to suffocate Goes to show Zerg still hasn't been nerfed enough since that terrible patch | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12125 Posts
On May 06 2021 20:58 Durnuu wrote: Goes to show Zerg still hasn't been nerfed enough since that terrible patch Of course, they didn't touch the queen  That's the culprit. IMOBut hey, I like that the official patchzerg won another title. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2427 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12125 Posts
On May 06 2021 21:19 swarminfestor wrote: I kinda miss mizenhauer. Where is he now? Rogue's basement polishing his trophies?  | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19137 Posts
On May 06 2021 20:57 Nakajin wrote: The Emperor has so much clothes he's about to suffocate This bump is a massive spoiler for those who might come to TL for a stream link. I'm closing the thread for a day and then I will reopen it. | ||
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Scarlett`
China2371 Posts
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Mizenhauer
United States1760 Posts
On April 20 2024 06:18 Scarlett` wrote: one of the worst takes of all time It’s almost certain that Rogue won’t match sOs, a player who had over five plus years to build his legendary career. There’s no way Rogue will have that much time to craft his own legacy, unless fortune goes out of its way to favor both him and StarCraft II. Faced with grim reality, it seems far more likely that he will go follow ByuN’s path as opposed to ascending to a spot in the StarCraft II pantheon. And if he’s Byun, then that’s fine. Byun inspired countless fans around the world, earned their love, and took them on an incredible journey to the top of the world. That’s more than anyone could reasonably ask for from a StarCraft II progamer. But make no mistake: Byun is no sOs. He was a shooting star streaking across the night sky—astonishing and brilliant, but no less ephemeral. We thought we knew who he was, but we only found out months later when his favored weapons were neutered. That may be Rogue’s fate as well. As long as the hydralisk reigns, we will never know who Rogue really is. We’ll never quite know what we’re supposed to call him. The second ever Zerg World Champion? The best player in the world? A shrewd opportunist? There is one option that fits better than the rest. it's amazing how when you actually use your reading comprehension skills instead of only reading one word, the entire argument makes sense. As long as the hydralisk reigns, we will never know who Rogue really is. We’ll never quite know what we’re supposed to call him. This sentence clearly states that we won't know what he is until enough time has passed. It turns out that Rogue surpassed sOs and became one of the greatest players of all time. Feel free to read all my other complementary Rogue articles, they have less objectionable final sentences, which is all you're here for anyway  | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10285 Posts
On April 20 2024 06:26 Mizenhauer wrote: It’s almost certain that Rogue won’t match sOs, a player who had over five plus years to build his legendary career. There’s no way Rogue will have that much time to craft his own legacy, unless fortune goes out of its way to favor both him and StarCraft II. Faced with grim reality, it seems far more likely that he will go follow ByuN’s path as opposed to ascending to a spot in the StarCraft II pantheon. And if he’s Byun, then that’s fine. Byun inspired countless fans around the world, earned their love, and took them on an incredible journey to the top of the world. That’s more than anyone could reasonably ask for from a StarCraft II progamer. But make no mistake: Byun is no sOs. He was a shooting star streaking across the night sky—astonishing and brilliant, but no less ephemeral. We thought we knew who he was, but we only found out months later when his favored weapons were neutered. That may be Rogue’s fate as well. As long as the hydralisk reigns, we will never know who Rogue really is. We’ll never quite know what we’re supposed to call him. The second ever Zerg World Champion? The best player in the world? A shrewd opportunist? There is one option that fits better than the rest. it's amazing how when you actually use your reading comprehension skills instead of only reading one word, the entire argument makes sense. As long as the hydralisk reigns, we will never know who Rogue really is. We’ll never quite know what we’re supposed to call him. This sentence clearly states that we won't know what he is until enough time has passed. It turns out that Rogue surpassed sOs and became one of the greatest players of all time. Feel free to read all my other complementary Rogue articles, they have less objectionable final sentences, which is all you're here for anyway It’s almost certain that Rogue won’t match sOs... unless <insert all these other possibilities that are considered unlikely by your own article's writing>. You can't say that it's "almost certain" Rogue won't match sOs, and then say "but you didn't read the part where I said there's still a chance!" And you can't say that the best option to call Rogue is a "patchzerg" and then say "but you didn't read the part where I said that if hydras got nerfed then we might see that he's not!" Then again, we don't know which part of the article's take Scarlett disagrees with. The "one word" you mention. It could be something entirely different from what we think. | ||
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Mizenhauer
United States1760 Posts
On April 20 2024 06:39 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: It’s almost certain that Rogue won’t match sOs... unless <insert all these other possibilities that are considered unlikely by your own article's writing>. You can't say that it's "almost certain" Rogue won't match sOs, and then say "but you didn't read the part where I said there's still a chance!" If I'm being honest, the main reason I thought Rogue wouldn't match sOs' resume was because I didn't see StarCraft II lasting long enough for Rogue to win 2 more WCs. Fortunately it did and we're still watching great games 6 years later. | ||
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ArtyK
France3143 Posts
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10285 Posts
On April 20 2024 06:41 Mizenhauer wrote: If I'm being honest, the main reason I thought Rogue wouldn't match sOs' resume was because I didn't see StarCraft II lasting long enough for Rogue to win 2 more WCs. Fortunately it did and we're still watching great games 6 years later. Yes indeed, very thankful | ||
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Vindicare605
United States15973 Posts
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ejozl
Denmark3300 Posts
On April 20 2024 06:26 Mizenhauer wrote: It’s almost certain that Rogue won’t match sOs, a player who had over five plus years to build his legendary career. There’s no way Rogue will have that much time to craft his own legacy, unless fortune goes out of its way to favor both him and StarCraft II. Faced with grim reality, it seems far more likely that he will go follow ByuN’s path as opposed to ascending to a spot in the StarCraft II pantheon. And if he’s Byun, then that’s fine. Byun inspired countless fans around the world, earned their love, and took them on an incredible journey to the top of the world. That’s more than anyone could reasonably ask for from a StarCraft II progamer. But make no mistake: Byun is no sOs. He was a shooting star streaking across the night sky—astonishing and brilliant, but no less ephemeral. We thought we knew who he was, but we only found out months later when his favored weapons were neutered. That may be Rogue’s fate as well. As long as the hydralisk reigns, we will never know who Rogue really is. We’ll never quite know what we’re supposed to call him. The second ever Zerg World Champion? The best player in the world? A shrewd opportunist? There is one option that fits better than the rest. it's amazing how when you actually use your reading comprehension skills instead of only reading one word, the entire argument makes sense. As long as the hydralisk reigns, we will never know who Rogue really is. We’ll never quite know what we’re supposed to call him. This sentence clearly states that we won't know what he is until enough time has passed. It turns out that Rogue surpassed sOs and became one of the greatest players of all time. Feel free to read all my other complementary Rogue articles, they have less objectionable final sentences, which is all you're here for anyway But isn't the point of the title: "The Emperor Has No Clothes" that everyone knows that Rogue is a patch zerg, but no one dares to say it? So he is a patch zerg til proven otherwise, I take it. On April 20 2024 06:42 ArtyK wrote: Randomly bumping a thread 3 year after the last post just to be an ass, not even the reddit haters from the top 10 goat list made it here, says a lot more about Scarlett than anyone else I think so, but it could also be that she finds it impressive that he managed to qualify for GSL so soon after returning. | ||
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Mizenhauer
United States1760 Posts
On April 20 2024 07:21 ejozl wrote: But isn't the point of the title: "The Emperor Has No Clothes" that everyone knows that Rogue is a patch zerg, but no one dares to say it? So he is a patch zerg til proven otherwise, I take it. I think so, but it could also be that she finds it impressive that he managed to qualify for GSL so soon after returning. The article poses multiple questions about Rogue's future, while acknowledging that we can't know anything for sure until his career plays out. It is clear that the last word in the article distracted from what is otherwise a really great piece. I definitely learned some lessons with that one that I was able to apply going forward. | ||
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