EPTThe Emperor Has No Clothes: Rogue's Future Legacy - Page 13
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kajtarp
Hungary468 Posts
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SmileZerg
United States543 Posts
On March 06 2018 02:44 kajtarp wrote: If Maru didnt choke again after leading 2-0 nobody would be here... But he did choke, and Rogue didn't. The better player won. Game 5 especially proves it, even if you discount the Nydus and Ravager all-ins of games 3 and 4 as luck. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 06 2018 02:44 kajtarp wrote: If Maru didnt choke again after leading 2-0 nobody would be here... If TY didn't choke after leading 2-0 this article would never have been made.... On March 06 2018 04:20 SmileZerg wrote: But he did choke, and Rogue didn't. The better player won. Game 5 especially proves it, even if you discount the Nydus and Ravager all-ins of games 3 and 4 as luck. Honestly I'd still favour Maru in a rematch, maybe even TY. Rogue said himself that in a standard macro or late game he wouldn't win. He went for crazy all-ins to try and entertain and was surprised as everyone else when he won | ||
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Kalera
United States338 Posts
On March 06 2018 04:36 Fango wrote: Honestly I'd still favour Maru in a rematch, maybe even TY. Rogue said himself that in a standard macro or late game he wouldn't win. He went for crazy all-ins to try and entertain and was surprised as everyone else when he won Regardless of what he said, he played the way he did because that was his best chance, not just because it's entertaining. A champion finds ways to win even when they seem disfavored on paper, and that's what Rogue did. His mindset was likely a key asset on a big stage like that. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
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TheZergishOne
27 Posts
And on the flip side you could argue there are great players held back by patches. Dark is the first to come to mind, as roach ravager infestor was his bread and butter and once it was hit with the nerf bat his success dropped dramatically. All this just makes this article seem petty. | ||
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fronkschnonk
Germany622 Posts
@TheZergishOne I can see your point about Byun but Innovation? He was dominant for far too long to be called as such. And Maru is the clear antithesis of a patchterran. He showed great skill in the protoss-era and after that one game with downpatched ravens he obviously figured out another way to win. He also was the only terran in WESG and GSL S1 playoffs. In GSL S2 he was the only terran in the playoffs to beat any non-terran player. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15911 Posts
Terran players were shameless. I know a lot of people were calling Zerg imba those days but I honestly think it was just an excuse for people with no skill. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always won so I just don't understand why they behaved that way. I don't even understand why sometimes the winning players start whining. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On September 28 2018 06:07 Charoisaur wrote: The Patch-(race) talk has always been stupid. Even in the BL/Infestor era it wasn't justified at all. Terran players were shameless. I know a lot of people were calling Zerg imba those days but I honestly think it was just an excuse for people with no skill. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always won so I just don't understand why they behaved that way. I don't even understand why sometimes the winning players start whining. Yeah clearly an excuse for people with no skill, Zerg players just magically got better than the competition and forgot how to play the game when HOTS released. We clearly saw how Roro and Sniper never depended on infestor/broodlord to win. ZvZ finals in every high profile tournament was also mere coincidence. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15911 Posts
On September 28 2018 06:12 Morbidius wrote: Yeah clearly an excuse for people with no skill, Zerg players just magically got better than the competition and forgot how to play the game when HOTS released. We clearly saw how Roro and Sniper never depended on infestor/broodlord to win. ZvZ finals in every high profile tournament was also mere coincidence. And you know that they fell off because BL/Infestor got nerfed and not because they lost motivation? If you watched Sniper play during his peak... that guy was a genius. The biggest waste of talent in SC2. He could've competed with Life for the Zerg GOAT if he didn't lose his motivation. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7100 Posts
On September 28 2018 06:07 Charoisaur wrote: The Patch-(race) talk has always been stupid. Even in the BL/Infestor era it wasn't justified at all. Terran players were shameless. I know a lot of people were calling Zerg imba those days but I honestly think it was just an excuse for people with no skill. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always won so I just don't understand why they behaved that way. I don't even understand why sometimes the winning players start whining. Jonnyrecco and Ziktomini were just talents amirite | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On September 28 2018 06:07 Charoisaur wrote: The Patch-(race) talk has always been stupid. Even in the BL/Infestor era it wasn't justified at all. Terran players were shameless. I know a lot of people were calling Zerg imba those days but I honestly think it was just an excuse for people with no skill. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always won so I just don't understand why they behaved that way. I don't even understand why sometimes the winning players start whining. I don't even. People quit the game en masse during the BL/infestor era, it's probably the one major reason the game's popularity went down the shitter. | ||
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
On September 28 2018 06:07 Charoisaur wrote: The Patch-(race) talk has always been stupid. Even in the BL/Infestor era it wasn't justified at all. Terran players were shameless. I know a lot of people were calling Zerg imba those days but I honestly think it was just an excuse for people with no skill. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always won so I just don't understand why they behaved that way. I don't even understand why sometimes the winning players start whining. Even as a zerg player, this post is laughable. Broodlord infestor was far, far too strong. Zerg player after Zerg player will freely admit that they had more success during those days than they should have because of that composition | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On September 28 2018 10:50 Psychonian wrote: Even as a zerg player, this post is laughable. Broodlord infestor was far, far too strong. Zerg player after Zerg player will freely admit that they had more success during those days than they should have because of that composition Tbh you probably got trolled Lmao Rogue didn't even make out of one of the easiest group. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4903 Posts
On November 23 2018 05:14 Mun_Su wrote: Tbh you probably got trolled Lmao Rogue didn't even make out of one of the easiest group. and got top4 in blizzcon, yet I dont see anyone coming back to this thread to say it. Seriously, I dont think any player deserves this kind of articles | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
Basically what this article boils down to though is, "he won but he's not really a good player" and as I said the article as such (even though I disagree with it strongly) is not bad but how it is used by others is. Posters that dislike Rogue keep coming back here everytime Rogue underachives to say "look, this article was right, Rogue is shit he just got lucky that one time". Can we just lock this thread and leave the gloaters that thrive on Rogue fanbois tears behind us? | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 23 2018 09:13 Shuffleblade wrote: I can appreciate a different angle compared to the "Player X has struggled for many years, fought, persevered and now finally through grit and hardwork has he achived this great victory". Basically what this article boils down to though is, "he won but he's not really a good player" and as I said the article as such (even though I disagree with it strongly) is not bad but how it is used by others is. Posters that dislike Rogue keep coming back here everytime Rogue underachives to say "look, this article was right, Rogue is shit he just got lucky that one time". Can we just lock this thread and leave the gloaters that thrive on Rogue fanbois tears behind us? I wish the internal conversation about this article would have been released. Because I cannot believe they wouldn't be able to foresee the issues. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On November 23 2018 09:16 deacon.frost wrote: I wish the internal conversation about this article would have been released. Because I cannot believe they wouldn't be able to foresee the issues. What issues? It generates controversy, which generates more visitors and clicks. | ||
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