On March 06 2024 13:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:19 Jealous wrote:Okay I had like 51 more tabs with quotes up but fuck it, this post is already too bloated as is. All reads are shitty D1 reads, shitty for obvious reasons (not much concrete info to work with). Definitely some reads that I am probably getting wrong because I haven't played with many of you and have not played many games here period so I have to interpret how others are reacting to that poster's behavior (ex: Alakaslam is just schizoposting but that seems to be NAI for them based on how little attention it is getting). Also, I know this isn't saying much given basic probability and etc., but the majority of interactions/slapfights/finger-pointing felt very TvT to me. Anyway: 1) raynpelikoneet - Hard to have a strong scum lean at the moment but rayn's behavior isn’t not mafia!rayn from what I can tell/my experience. I certainly don’t think he should be bailed out by other posters whose conduct I was unimpressed with, like CopCake. Seeing other people I am more confident in believing to be town having the same impression has helped me feel a bit more confident in my gut read here. Having played and successfully read rayn as scum in the past, this feels a lot like that time. + Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 06 2024 00:22 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean anyone who thinks iamp is mafia has to be either fucking insane or mafia. Which means you should be casing DP instead of playing the drama queen which you are not doing. Which is why you are within your scumrange. ^ Agreed, even though I also agree with rayn that iamp is not mafia. Seems like a pocket attempt to me. On March 05 2024 06:34 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax, my point is (as i tend to think other's point is as well);
If you are helping mafia, it doesnt matter to mafia if you are elected as mayor. I understand what you're saying, and yes i can be 100% more certain that i am town than you are, others can't. But i don't understand why we should elect a mayor who is effectively not helping the town, for instance by roleclaiming for no fucking reason... I can understand people thinking as town, that Vivax is 99% town and rayn is maybe 80 or what the fuck ever % town and still best shot at winning the game is electing rayn. I can understand that, and it's not scummy. Like i am considering electing Slam over you, if it comes to that, just because Slam can be reasonable, more likely. Because what i just read over the couple of pages from you does not seem reasonable. Dumbest thing I read. Slam is more reasonable? Ok rayn. ^ Agreed with Koshi on this. “Slam is more reasonable” is not what I’m seeing in this game. On March 05 2024 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:58 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 iamperfection wrote:
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No how so. Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax? This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor. If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor. Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. you rolled so often mafia that your mafia game is insane and i would not vote you as a mayor in any game. There is no way to confince me to vote you as major. I would rather vote on somebody who plays bad mafia. You are not a safe option for mayor def. not. that's bullshit you have not seen me mafia aside from last game and i havent rolled mafia in like 1,5 years before that. ^ Did not like these posts from rayn at all. “Look at my stats guys, c’mon, I’m town.” Then blathers on about so much stuff that is barely relevant as if this is Chapter 12 in a long saga of some sort and not isolated incidents/games. 2) Oatsmaster - Don't feel too strongly about it; I didn't find their early posts to be all that bad. Some of the later unsubstantiated reads/posts, not as much; they kinda rubbed me the wrong way, like a person trying to deflect attention from themselves onto someone else. + Show Spoiler [Example] +On March 05 2024 13:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thinking about it more, that dmb list is terrible 3) DarthPunk - Probably one of my strongest town reads at the moment. Was pushing the game forward from the very start, and in general I find myself agreeing with his reads on others. Spends time and effort reviewing his reads/tunnels on others, updates his reads publicly and without prompting at times. The concern I have is that he could be just a smart + experienced mafia who is doing a good job of looking townie, but I guess time will tell. Some posts of theirs I liked: + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 19:01 DarthPunk wrote:OK having just read Jacob's filter from this game and his last town game, gun to my head I would probably say town, he is posting 'freely' and there are a few times he volunteered reads + Show Spoiler +On March 04 2024 18:01 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Okay I'm backish, currently sick so I may drop out for a few hours at a time to just sleep shits exhausting.
It's totally within DP's Meta to be question presuring and smug but as I said before I'm not going to think about him for a good while otherwise we'll get another JSL v TTT event.
Slam is interesting. I'm using all my power to not instantly Cheziu vote them.
Ray always seems like the most reasonable person ever to me but this might be because I don't think I've ever been in a ray scum game. This said I would vote for them for Mayor behind myself.
Cake Cop's gender identity has thrown my read of them entirely off which is strange I didn't realise it would do that I'll have to start reading them again.
I'm not sure who it was but someone came into the thread and was like hey three pages and no votes bah but then in the vote thread doesn't seem to have voted either. On March 05 2024 08:38 JacobStrangelove wrote:Okay I've been reading for like an hour and only up to page 55 but oh boy was it a "Fun" night. this is just up to 55 haven't seen anything after that. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 23:26 Vivax wrote:
Moving Oats to town. I thought he spammed too much at the time and his question to the host felt like something he could have done in PM land but the fact he felt the same way about JS looking scummish early probably means we think more alike than not.
So I‘m at:
Town: DP, Rayn, Oats, TTS
Good nulls : Marv
Null/need to read more: MZ, cop, Slam
Bad nulls: VE, Sandroba
Mafia: Trfel Okay I'll just open up replies of interest from when I was sleeping and then combine them all later it might look a bit discombobulated. Do you still think I'm scummish? If so where am I on the list? Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't understand the case Vivax, can you sum it up? Yeah I'm not seeing Sando being bad from this either she was like exactly I changed my mind. Seemed town in play as far as I could tell. (following up with later posts sando being in mason with marv and not being seen as scum by marv is also good) Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 00:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Koshi is trying too hard to do his “I’m so town look at me stuff” I also did get this impression a bit but I might be biased by last game Koshi being mafia, speaking of I voted for him to see if he got pouty about it. Which they did a very small amount but not sure if alignment indicitive nessesarally. (follow up now that I've read to page 55 both my very slight town reads are voting VE and then Rayn just started mentioning voting VE so I would be happy to "sheep", that said I wasn't super impressed but I know I have a massive cognative bais against Koshi. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:13 Vivax wrote:
I have been thinking a bit about it and believe that the benefits outweigh the drawbacks of me claiming Jailkeeper on D1.
That‘s basically the only reason I want to be mayor.
I think that with half the day over we‘re far enough in the phase to have gathered who else was keen on the mayor spot without having the role to justify it. Honestly wtf how? Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:46 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 02:39 marvellosity wrote:
Vivax is town but I don’t trust his lynch target if he gets elected.
Slam there is no point doing anything with. Let mafia deal with him and if he’s alive in X days revisit it. Vivax is prob role-blocked and killed however now if not elected. If elected we are probably tying up a possible rb on him forever. Either way we lost one protective role for town, but now we have to think about how to minimize the damage or make the best situation out of it. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:56 CopCake wrote:
I also do not understand the whole vivax is town because he claimed jailkeeper because that is bullshit.
Not because the logic of the whole scenario but because I think he is the type of player to be insane enough as mafia to do something like that. Okay I see the logic of tying up a role block forever on him but... if mafia (although I find it almost certain he isn't) I feel like I would prefer a strong town later. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:37 iamperfection wrote:
Copcake goes up several town tiers for borderline cheating This is kinda fair. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:03 CopCake wrote:
I think that Vivax is angry because he claimed and he might lose mayor so he is going to die at night.
And if he doesnt die, then he fake claimed.
Because why would mafia lose an opportunity like that, right?
I don't feel mafia vivax would do this without this much pressure like don't get me wrong that's actually a play I can see someone making or... I could see someone convinced into by their scum team but I don't know if they would have used jailkeeper for that claim and also what about counterclaim risks as mafia? No I think vivax is town. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:11 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb. Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16. Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves. Eh, let them decide. It is far from shitting up the thread. If that bothers you, you should be shouting me down honestly. It bothers me that marv kinda forced the sandroba read on us because "mason stuff". Really bad going forward to approach it like that. Ehh was already reading sandro as pretty town. Think the mason hate is weird. Anyway will disapear again until I catch up from page 55 On March 05 2024 09:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:15 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 05:14 die_meatbaby wrote:
@copcake my tea is getting cold and I ate already a lot of the hand baked biscuits.I am waiting for you to tell me the real tea about you that I should know. I hope I didn't bake this exquisite pastry for the wrong person. What is this the newest issue of modern grandma Found this really funny, not helpful I know but I like it. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:32 DarthPunk wrote:
I don’t think Rayn is outside of his scum range btw. What is Rayn's Scum range I probably need to know. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:38 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 05:34 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 05:32 DarthPunk wrote:
I don’t think Rayn is outside of his scum range btw. So you thinks it's possible scum rayn masoned marv willingly We don't even know what marv is. Besides, why shouldn't he? It's like you think masoning marv is equal to running naked and heavily armed into a military encampment. I mean if Marv was town quite possibly but not for a player like Ray who while I've only seen the town play but I know it's strong and strong early which is why if town being mayor would be an advantage compared to say dp who's town game is only strong later. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:57 Vivax wrote:
I am waiting for JS to offer a behind the scenes picture of what‘s really happening in that marv sandro rayn masonry After a day like this my night post is going to be glorious. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:06 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 05:59 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 05:57 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:sandroba what marv is telling you is true. lol this is funny  On March 05 2024 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:51 iamperfection wrote:
I do find it odd marv isn't posting in the thread I told a couple of hours ago to him that people are gonna scumread him for playing the game only in discord with 2 mason chats ^^ If mafia makes me mayor. I am willing to shoot marv. Just putting that out there. 0 fucks would be given. Great way to not end up as mayor. Koshi can I have a list post? Doesn’t need to be everyone just enough so that I can see where your head is at page 36 and too angry to continue. But town: iamp cuz town best time was in the first pages and he was a driving factor. dp: I wrote 'good interpretation of DP vs Oats' but that seems incorrect. That being said. I don't dislike your copcake stuff but I haven't read it because it doesn't spark anything in me. I am pretty sure I read copcake really good of one of her first posts in a previous game because she backtracked on a story after being called out. So I am waiting on her to fuck up. She is just playing a different game as me here, but not in a bad way. Vivax I like him MZ Ugly posts, but I can see him being town and him finding his way Null Oats Mafia DMB because bad start TheNewGuy because I don't like that entrance Tfrel because reasoning given. Too safe. marv because he can die Okay are you avoiding me specifically or really have no opinion even a null one? Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:16 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch. Pretty scummy, I pledge to make my personal lynch a scum lynch. Much better platform. This is funny and as marv says funny palmer is mafia. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:
I think Koshi is super townie here.
Also I am going to unvote cake.
##unvote WHY what? *takes deep breath and decides not to tunnel DP again. Would you be able to explain why you are unvoting cake please. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:31 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 07:29 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote DarthPunk lol why? youre mafia. gn. Love this. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? I mean after seeing you unvote cake... Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? Probably because you want to make vivax mayor. Which is insane imo we have someone who already made a terrible decision and you want to give said person more power. He probably thinks your smarter then that and concluded you must be mafia to not see that. How is he getting more power? He is just immune to night kill, if he was getting a double vote for the rest of the game that is a different story. Having our jailkeeper with night kill immunity is really fucking powerful, at worst it soaks a rb for the rest of the game, at best it is just literally broken. It puts mafia in all sorts of uncomfortable positions where they are fucked if the RB gets lynched or shot. The vig shot or whatever can be negotiated, but I don't think vivax is bad as town regardless, and he is basically confirmed town. Why would I roll the dice on anyone who is NOT confirmed town. Rayn, marv and sandro are NOT confirmed town. This said good looking post, as sad as it is maybe it's worth keeping vivax alive. I did like him before he roll claimed tbh seemed townish which is why it baffled me all the more that he felt presured enough to claim. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 08:01 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 08:00 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:59 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 07:58 DarthPunk wrote:
The fact that vivax claimed when he did is arguably bad, but now that he HAS claimed, it is just worse to not make him NK immune by voting him for mayor.
otherwise he will just get NK this night, and we lose a confirmed town.
So someone explain to me why I am the idiot in this situation? You know mayors can get lynched right bud Are we lynching vivax marv? You miss my point. You elect a nut job who kills stupid people or makes stupid decision. Or you elect someone v likely town who might actually hit mafia, and In case you elected mafia after all you can still lynch them later But I can also see this point as well. Difficult.... I'm conflicted right now. when he didn't have to this game which was also a notable trait in his last town game. Activity metrics are comparable to his town play and the posting style is quite similar. The only thing that gives me pause is his treatment of me as confirmed town from the get-go, and not wanting to lynch his top scum read over lurkers. These are big reasons to be worried but if his activity stays on track and he doesn't contribute to actively trying to find mafia later then yeet him, but I don't want to lynch him today. His latest posting is really weird, but he posted some out there shit in his last town game to so meh. ^ Example of effort-posting/pushing the game forward. Could be seen as a slight waffle maybe, but I at least get what they are saying and their thought process here. On March 05 2024 05:27 DarthPunk wrote:
I tend to like the town circle for now.
The only one I’m really afraid of being mafia in that lot is Rayn
I think mz looked wayyyy better recently so I’m moving him to town for now.
Cake still looks bad.
Koshi looks townie to me. He has that level of arrogance that I felt was missing in his mafia game. I also sensed he was genuinely butthurt at not being in the town circle which I found hilarious but also townie.
Rels makes sense, he is wayyyy less aggressive than I remember but that is old old meta.
^ I agree with this to the extent that is possible given my knowledge. Another reason I’m in the DP = town camp, because their thinking aligns with my own and I’m town, more or less. 4) Vivax - Basically have to operate on the assumption that they are town at this point, if they are mafia then I don't know shit about fuck and probably shouldn't be playing forum mafia in general. Also similar reasons to DP. + Show Spoiler [Why?] +Some posts of theirs I like: On March 06 2024 05:22 Vivax wrote:
I'm untownreading sandroba upon review.
I think he's too okay with Palmar dying while voting elsewhere and JAT his main scumread is maybe superficially scummy and the ideal target a scum would latch onto.
Plus he called my posts shallow and generally looks like he's just dragging himself along. ^ Even though I don't necessarily agree with it, I think that going against someone who has been supporting you [as far as I recall, it's been a lot of posts] is pretty townie. On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. ^ I don’t see a rayn/iamp/Vivax team as a possibility so measured posts like this one look pretty good to me, like a townie trying to make sure they don’t over-tunnel. 5) sandroba - Similar arguments as for DP, more or less. + Show Spoiler [Why?] + On March 06 2024 05:57 sandroba wrote:
I dunno Palmar feels very off after digesting for a bit. It's not normal that he buddies up to me so quickly, even if he agrees with my takes. If I had been insanely active I could see it, but here it seems he is trying to pocket me. He even exaggerates the fact that I backed off of him and started acting like I suddenly see him as town. The tone he entered the thread in general feels very different as well. It looks more like d4 reasonable palmar after raport has been built and he has a stronger grasp of people's possible alignment than d1 palmar who is more skeptical and has some plan.
^ Not gonna keep reiterating it but posts like these look townie to me. Pointing out inconsistencies in behavior, not letting themselves be pocketed when in theory they might not mind it, doing so unprompted, etc. Can obv. be smart mafia but idk, just feels organic to me. On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. I disagree. Trfel last game was pretty similar to this, he did some burst of activity then vanished for a while. I was suspicious of him all the way through d1/n1 because of the structuring of his posts and they style of his activity. He was not a high volume poster and conviction was not his forte. He basically had the game figured out d3 but wasn't pushing any of it. It took me some deep diving to actually identify he was correct on everything. I think it's stupid to look into him as the quality of what he has posted has been very good so far. If he is mafia it will be hard for him to keep up as the game progresses and he has to justify hard positions and keep up appearances. My current suspect list is palmar/jat/rels, rels being the one I feel less strongly about. Palmar looks more and more tame and awful every time he posts. JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia. ^ Not as thoroughly convinced as them but this is more townie behavior from sandroba IMO. 6) Trfel - I would appreciate people pointing out exactly what was so bad about their conduct on D1 because I'm not seeing it, though to be fair they have been less active for a bit and it's been dozens of pages since I read something they wrote and I caught up in one big chunk. 7) marvellosity - Have mostly been able to follow along with their reasoning even if I don’t agree with all of their reads IIRC. + Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Hard to explain why but I trust this in the context of their other interactions and how their reads on others don’t align IIRC, hopefully one of my later saved quotes elaborates on this. This reads like two townies to me and I’m willing to believe marv’s story and gut here based on their other conduct. 8) Jealous - I am VT. 9) Meapak_Ziphh - Active and seems to be pushing the game forward IMO, find myself agreeing with their analysis of other players. + Show Spoiler [Examples] +On March 05 2024 13:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 13:41 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 09:55 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 05 2024 09:47 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 01:49 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:27 Trfel wrote:
Raynpelikoneet, why do you think iamperfection is town?
I kinda think the opposite. He's been throwing side comments without getting involved or invested.
I think he is completely and utterly useless as mafia, and too lazy to form almost any reasonable trains of thoughts. I don't see it being like that here. Just look at the game that got cancelled last year for reference. Hm, maybe.... I don't really know his meta but his play feels decently scummy here. I guess I can think more about this. I lost track, what do you think about CopCake? I read over what DarthPunk was saying, I don't think it holds much water but I also don't really know CopCake's meta so who knows. Why are you implying my cake read was a meta case when it wasn't. This said the Cop case def wasn't meta. On March 05 2024 09:51 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard Does the rest of his play change anything? No, what do you think of him? I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better This is a great post. ##vote: Oats Not to make associations early but this would imply oats and CC are mafia together right? If so what's stronger the initial case that Cake is the mafia and oats is defending her or Oats being mafia and just flip flopping for no reason? Still think it would make more sense from your perpsective to be voting cake. Dude, make a case on me. I made a case on you two pages ago and after you were mad at me for not addressing my issues with you, you didn't even bother with what I wrote which makes me inclined to believe you don't really have an answer since you seem very intent on defending yourself from everyone else. On March 05 2024 01:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 17:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cake do you think DP's reasoning for calling you mafia last game when you were actually mafia was good? If I remember correctly, he called me mafia for having TMI for calling you town in a secure way. Which I applaud. Here, I honestly do not understand or I am pretty stupid. Anyways, that doesnt change my read on him. He is a strong, secure player. He cares for other people’s opinions like when he was town in the game Slam was mafia. In the marvvivaxcake game, I was asking many questions, he engaged and answered. He demanded answers. Here, I ignored him and he did nothing until Oats came and started to talk about me. As someone who kinda “played” him, I would imagine he would try to figure me out asap. (Played as in I stayed alive and made him second guess TTT) Thing is, DP is bravado, he has said so before such as “he controls lynches” and stuff like that.
Here, he is too quiet for the exception of calling me wolf.
As I said before, if he was interested in me he would have called me out inmediatly for ignoring him and not just when Oats came. Idk it seems like lazy mafia using “I was right last time” Am I wrong for getting with this conclusion? This is a general question for everyone, not just Rayn. First off the red piece is objectively wrong, DP is like a top 3 poster in this game purely on volume. Secondly I think you're completely mischaracterizing the interaction you two had a couple of pages back. 10) Palmar - I haven’t been really impressed with their play for the most part IMO. Quotes like this one stand out as particularly “meh” to me because why play if you’re not going to read/play? Seems like this is a “Meh don’t try so hard, I’m not” post, and that just leaves me with a bad taste. I know it may be hypocritical of me to say this at this juncture, but low effort town is not a good look and makes me think it might actually just be scum laying out excuses for the future. This is counterbalanced by the fact that the majority of their posts were generally alright and I generally agreed with their line of thinking, making it seem like organic townie stuff. Neutral for now, but I do think I understand why there is a train on them now; I just don’t feel as much conviction about it and don’t want to jump on the boat when there are people who I find more suspicious/less beneficial to the game. 11) justanothertownie - It almost feels suicidal to be again a the Vivax for mayor narrative so frankly I don't see JAT doing so as mafia and sticking out like a sore thumb. However, I can't put too much weight on this read and I didn't like their analyses as much as others' so I don't have much that makes them absolutely townie either, IMO. Neutral for now, because I don’t think that their head-scratcher posts were AI (though I was tempted to sheep sandroba re: JAT as quoted above). + Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? ^ Having a hard time understanding what the point of something like this is, for example. On March 05 2024 05:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I think I like the direction that seems to have formed of Iamp, Rayn, marv and to a lesser degree sandro as a council of sorts. I had at least 3-4 moments in the early pages where Iamp posted exactly what I was thinking at the time. Rayn seems reasonable so far (but him masoning marv is probably something he does as either alignment) and I agree that marv masoning sandro is a move that is more likely to come from town.
Would still prefer if people used the thread to communicate even though it would make catching up even harder. ^ Ironically I agree with basically these reads except for rayn but was an example of where I thought JAT’s opinion mostly aligned with my own, so tough to believe he might be scum. Maybe using the reads to disguise a scumbuddy in there, perhaps? Still, mostly WIFOM stuff for me. 12) die_meatbaby - Another poster whose posts I had a somewhat hard time following conceptually sometimes, but for the most part I didn’t think it was all that bad. Nothing great, but nothing horrible either. + Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 06 2024 03:39 sandroba wrote:
I had an early town read on dmb, but she has then turned into more of a single threaded bot that only pops in to talk about the vivax claim. Not seeing as many unprompted inputs from her as I would expect from her as town. ^ Can’t say I agree with this with conviction but I can see this as being true to my own experience. I didn’t mind their long list post, though. Spoilered: + Show Spoiler [Long list post] +On March 05 2024 12:57 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:52 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 05:56 Rels wrote:
I will be gone for the next few hours. die_meatbaby when I'm back this evening I would be ecstatic if I find a list post from you, or even who is your biggest scumread and why Rels this is such a hard post to make this early of a game and my opinions will for sure change but for right now this what I think of the players and I know everytime I make a list post people call me scum but as I want to make a favor for a french guy for once in a lifetime here you go… Good TownMe 🙂
VivaxI know the claim was unnecessary if he has no PR. But I would say for sure never what he make such scummy slightly stupid thing as mafia. Too obvious, too high for his mafia meta. Maybe he is just a Townie but I totally understand why he did such a thing. He has trust issues and paranoia with this things you wouldn´t trust on anybody else to vote as a major. But he knows his alignment and it is for sure safer option to have as a major then anybody else right now! I hope he is blue, if not he is at least Town. And you guys know I would lynch him directly if he looks scummy to me. Did it as Town and as Mafia but right now I don´t see any reason to lynch him because he wouldn´t play like this as mafia TownRelshe only has a 2 page filter but he asks very good questions and really tries to help Town. At least that's how it looks to me for now. Could change quickly of course Sandrobahas the same energie as in the last game. Safe for now. Less Town but would have a chance to get TownishKoshi Didn´t like his inactivity at the start of the game. I know him way more active and aggressiv as Town. DPTrfl IAPSlightly scummyJSLMy Dear CC I am sorry but you disappointed me at the teaparty JustanotherTowniejustanotherscum MarvNo Town Marv behavier found MafiaOatsmasterSeems like he just asks a stupid questions and not trying to help us. RaynOn March 05 2024 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:58 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:
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He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do.
As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. you rolled so often mafia that your mafia game is insane and i would not vote you as a mayor in any game. There is no way to confince me to vote you as major. I would rather vote on somebody who plays bad mafia. You are not a safe option for mayor def. not. that's bullshit you have not seen me mafia aside from last game and i havent rolled mafia in like 1,5 years before that. I actually called him a really good mafia player here and his reaction is definitely not townish. No categorySlam illegible god of the gameMZ useless (for me rn) VE I'm sorry but I can't judge you, that would be the same as a doctor measuring the heartbeat of a coked-up guy. The result will probably be wrong Just WTF TotheStars I mean his filter looks worse then the history of my country Not playing jealous Hapahauli This is just OMGUS On March 05 2024 05:07 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 05:00 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:58 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. you rolled so often mafia that your mafia game is insane and i would not vote you as a mayor in any game. There is no way to confince me to vote you as major. I would rather vote on somebody who plays bad mafia. You are not a safe option for mayor def. not. that's bullshit you have not seen me mafia aside from last game and i havent rolled mafia in like 1,5 years before that. She's saying you are too experienced and dangerous as scum to trust you with that on a D1. that would be another bullshit statement. Uhhhhh thats scum rayn getting mad because newbie ruins his scum major plan. Already love this game. I didn´t write any bs just my opinion why vivax claims and why I wouldn´t vote you as mayor only for lynch but not on D1 maybe on d2 I actually agree with them here. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. Agreed with them here again. 13) CopCake - I don’t know if it’s because I have a hard time following their mindset/writing, or because of their self-professed “style”, but I just did not find any of their Day 1 play to be all that productive. + Show Spoiler [Stuff] +On March 05 2024 03:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:55 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 03:40 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 03:34 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 03:28 Vivax wrote:
I'm bothered by rayn's reaction here tbh I dont know if it is relevant but he was laughing hard in the other room. that makes him look scum. I loved beeing mafia in the last game because doing random shit like offering my life for HF who claimed blue and provoke other Townies is fun as hell. As Town I take it way more seriously. But maybe thats just me rayn loves to be more town than mafia. He has rolled mafia so many times that he is tired of that. I also prefer more mafia than town unless I get to be mafia three times in a row or so. This feels like the awkward moment where you need to make up for possibly exposing him as scum. Vivax, take a break please and come back. Because I think you know this can’t make sense. You’re just annoyed at the game and people in it and it leads to posts like this. ^ Don’t want to beat it to death but I did not like these CopCake posts, I did like the Vivax and marv posts here. On March 05 2024 04:42 sandroba wrote:
Why are you trying to keep this useless trash nai discussion going CopCake? ^ My thoughts exactly. 14) JacobStrangelove - Another poster that I have a hard time understanding and who doesn’t seem to want to be understood, preferring to talk in weird ways instead of being clear until pressured. Like, what the hell are these posts? + Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 05 2024 14:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 13:47 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 10:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Hmm I guess parking vote on TTS for now.
##Vote: ToTheStars Dude you think I am mafia and you are literally voting for the same person I am lynching? Please stop blending in peoples opinions about me and get to your own conclusions. You are also another person out of character. The first game i read from you, you were funny. Here you are acting as if you were walking on toes trying not to make a sound. It's a parked vote didn't remember you had voted them at the time, why? Are you afraid they'll be lynched? Did you try and get away with early voting your scum buddy early and it's now scary? I see a deflection case here you think it'll be easy to lynch me to save yourself. I could cover old ground but the reasons you seem scummy are just in the thread. DP's case you havent held up to the preasure very well. The reason for not voting you are purely semantic activity based. You'll only turn more red the more you post if you are part of the evil british army! Oh wait yeah it was the british with red coats in the Napoleonic era huh.... I guess I can be American.... On March 05 2024 14:40 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Now I will say this isn't based on DP's interaction with women that I've seen. He's clearly a stud and women love him. More DP's style of interaction I've put in a box of people who are like that, and seperatally people who are like that interacting with women or woman styled men tend to cause a more stubborn reaction in that same style. So initially based on the gender change I was seeing you as less mafia. 15) Hapahauli - I don't know them but I don't think it would be smart/most people would be disinterested enough as mafia to basically ask to be modkilled. Based on others' reactions, it doesn't seem to be in this player's nature. 16) Iamperfection - I just think that like the other townreads I have, their activity was productive and is more townie than not. + Show Spoiler [Stuff] +On March 05 2024 02:42 iamperfection wrote:
Rels made 2 posts and then seems to disappear despite a lot of stuff happening ^ Bringing this up when they were under no heat of their own and driving the game forward. Small stuff but there were other examples. Of course, we did end up finding out what’s going on with Rels, but this is still good IMO. Just to be clear, not strong on its own, but as part of the larger package. 17) Koshi - Like my other town reads, definitely feels like someone who is trying to push the game forward and catch mafia. We will 100% find out how good of a job they are doing in the near future as we get some flips, but for now, Koshi has been one of the more townie-sounding people I’ve read. + Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 05 2024 21:10 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? I disagree with that mafia is on board. When I read this thread after 18 or 20 hours in game. There was 1) not enough pressure on mafia. DP tried to put some work in but he was alone. 2) no town circle 3) a 7 page Vivax that blueclaimed and was ridiculed. While a lackluster rayn had 3 times as much votes for Mayor. (or something like that) I am saying that mafia was content at that point in the game. And now it is our job to find a good Mayor. (Which is Vivax because I can't read 1 good argument why he is mafia, the argument he is reckless or stupid is fake!media, it's really a shitshow argument if your alternative is rayn) to vote mafia. Which marv initiated quite nicely & on time. Palmar needs to make a move now and if he doesn't this is a good lynch to create a town circle. Which has not happened yet. I don't even know where to start. I think iamp/DP for their early game. I think CC because she seems full of good intentions. Somewhere there is a good start. On March 06 2024 07:08 Koshi wrote:
For the people thinking this was a good post by Palmar.
why marv should not be called mafia:
1) marv has a 7 page filter and is actually playing. That alone is enough to not call him mafia D1.
2) Palmar admits the first vote is legit on him. So that means marv came out of hiding to post a legit vote that would and could mean he had to play hard for the rest of the game if town!Palmar brought his A game. It is less likely Mafia!marv would do that because he cba. Town!marv would come out because he thinks it is the best thing to do for town. So this also leans towards a town!marv. This alone would be a good reason not to vote marv D1.
3) marv being wrong on Palmar means fuck all for his alignment. Last game, with Palmar and marv, they both wrongly tunneled Tfrel and Sandroba for 3 days straight, and townread mebaby. They were wrong 3 times, for 3 days. Both didn't catch scum rayn for those 3 days. Maybe I am slightly exaggerating but not too much. So don't think marv is flawless and it makes him mafia.
Why Palmar is mafia:
4) His reads are not good enough. The Oats read; which was at that time his top 1 mafia, was opportunistic and badly thought out. His marv read is just OMGUS and trying to discredit the person who leads his wagon.
5) He can play as a town leader, so him playing like a weasel this game points towards mafia.
6) Doing better is not hard when you start at the bottom of bottoms. It's a horrible point people are making. (calling out DP). He is at his best in this game still doing worse than he did in the previous game.
Kill Palmar. ^ Posts like these don’t feel like a mafia!Koshi would be going this hard against a townie!Palmar or defending a mafia!marv. 18) ToTheStars - I don’t find the case against them to be that strong but the difference between what they were posting like at the beginning vs. their notable absence when being pressured by a lot of others makes me think that they are hoping they are just overlooked/forgotten somehow and that people move to new targets. 19) VisceraEyes - Kinda neutral on them tbh; wouldn’t mind a reminder as to why this person might be a good lynch, because frankly I don’t recall anything too egregious. + Show Spoiler [Example] +On March 05 2024 05:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
OMG so much was not expecting so much loooool
People pretending to have reads that mean anything already are fucking awesome, like I can kinda get a read off that stuff but so many are good at faking it. You guys won't have any meaningful reads until flips happen.
I am, actively, doing jack shit. But I'm also not pushing an agenda or doing anything scummy, so energy put into lynching me is wasted.
So you want a mayor that is in here pretending with you guys. I get it. I hear you. I'm just not doing it. I'm not pretending to have reads that mean anything right now. I'm going to lynch someone who is barely posting, someone who ISN'T ME that is barely posting, and that's what I'll do as mayor. You either like that or you don't. I was hoping Slam would come in here and make you guys like it but you can't count on anyone these days.
I'll talk to you guys about who I think is mafia after I see some stuff happen in the thread that is alignment indicative. I don't think how DMB phrased something or how much Oats posted D1 or any bullshit like that is alignment indicative. I like votes, lynches, who pushes what and why. We don't have that D1. We have activity. So that's what I'm running on bish. You don't like my activity level? Then you agree with my premise and should vote me as mayor rather than someone who could be mafia. ^ I don’t think this is necessarily productive but I can also resonate with this and seems like a townie wanting to prevent a mislynch more than a cornered scum to me. 20) Rels - Maybe I’m just getting loopy at this point but I really don’t remember much of anything that Rels did. Going to not be too judgmental right now but worried about a scum taking a back seat here. Going to keep an eye out. Update as I was writing: Seems there are family issues there, will be willing to let them live for now and hope things get better soon. 21) Alakaslam - Can't outright say they seem scummy but I certainly don't understand what the fuck they are saying most of the time, which to me means that they are not playing in town's best interest, which means I wouldn't mind seeing them gone and we might get a mafia lynch for it to boot. FWIW I get that they went through a rough time recently; in fact IIRC I spoke to them in a blog somewhere about it. But then, why join this game? Why “play” like this? Maybe they are riding on “just Alakaslam things” as an excuse? Etc. + Show Spoiler [Waste of time] +On March 05 2024 14:40 Alakaslam wrote:
Honestly I am being honest I swear to my honesty honest to God
I edit my posts and read before posting honestly I swear to honest On March 05 2024 14:41 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 14:40 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 14:38 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 14:35 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 14:31 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 14:30 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 13:51 iamperfection wrote:
would dp come after me as mafia? im guessing no? Why not? Nothing sticks so he can sling shit any direction. Ok saying that reminded me of a rant he made not long ago Retracting the SR. Actually might be a hard TR for DP now actually. What are you taking about? Since when did you scum read me lol? Several times, actually! But people don't read me this game and I think I should not blame them for that. I waffle on you faster than a windshield wiper on full speed What rant are you taking about? I'm just going nuts over here, don't get too worried about it. If you don't like me scum reading you, wait like 5 seconds On March 04 2024 22:02 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 21:42 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 21:41 Alakaslam wrote:On March 04 2024 15:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 15:42 Alakaslam wrote:On March 04 2024 15:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 15:38 Alakaslam wrote:On March 04 2024 15:35 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 15:33 CopCake wrote:
Why are you so obsessed with me? I want to know your alignment. Yes, obviously. Anyone else? Man you make me suspect you. Still lynch vivax if by some faerie magic, I am actually elected mayor. Second pick is VE, he has some decent logic on why he would lurker lynch. Dammit, I have to filter you for your questions, don't I? What are you talking about? I was talking to cake here? Yeah and you're being Oats at her.Whatever, flavor means varyIng things to varying flavor. You can't personality read and I should give grave for that to both you and Oats. Got it out of my system. No slam. Cake is legitimately scummy here. 1.) She came into the thread roleplaying and while that in itself is not scummy she also did not contribute anything at all until2.) I try to engage her about her reads and then she instantly calls me mafia and says I am not trying to solve the game which is: a.) objectively untrue and b.) hilariously ironic for someone who had until I had asked her for reads had literally only roleplayed a tea party. 3.) she then says that she was actually playing the game with the role play and in fact was interacting with her town circle. but 4.) Actively avoided engaging with me about her town reads or why they formed much too early in the game to be called a town circle 5.) she was caught as mafia for that exact same reason day 1 last time she was mafia. These points are fair. And I haven't the recollection of last time she was mafia so I will have to cede that to you. Wait What? Literally last game we played together i was mafia o_O Doesn't mean I remember it. I am in a bad divorce that had me thinking about whether I could find a country to do assisted suicide that would notify of my death but not call it a suicide so I could still give my family a life insurance payout. Fortunately I realized how many people that would hurt, and that I was plotting a serious crime to boot. But shit isn't going well at all for slam. So I can't remember jack shit. ^ Why are you here then? Sorry, but seriously. Let's assume youre telling the truth here about not reading Slam has claimed. Let's also assume you have actually read my posts since you're calling me mafia. The people i consider mafia, at this point, are Palmar, VE, Trfel, possibly DMB and JAT. Not only ALL of those reads are in your possible scum list, and i have also made a case on Slam earlier on in the game. I also agree with all of your town reads. This doesn't give you ANY PAUSE at all in rayn being mafia? I find it unlike your reads are actually sincere.
First things first, calling it a "possible scum list" when it mostly has people I'm clearly pretty neutral on is probably not how I'd put it, but I also don't think you're dumb enough to try to misrep my own reads to me. So, I'll just take it at face value as what I'd call my neutral list = what you'd call a possible scum list.
Secondly, yes, and there is plenty of pause in the words I used to explain things, because as I said in a recent post, I find it basically impossible to have strong scum reads on D1, assuming no one fucks up egregiously. So, phrases like:
"All reads are shitty D1 reads, shitty for obvious reasons (not much concrete info to work with)"
"Hard to have a strong scum lean at the moment but rayn's behavior isn’t not mafia!rayn"
"my gut read"
I think those are indicative of the fact that I am still trying to keep an open mind here. It's just that out of everything I had seen up until that point, you were one of the people whose conduct I found the hardest to justify if it were to be coming from town!rayn, and the fact that my town!reads pointed out the same things I saw made me feel more confident in that. I'm not fully dug in; if you start catching confirmed scum, my read will change a lot.
As for what I think is the actual question is here, namely:
"Does scum!rayn having the same reads as a townie make sense here?"
1. Let's explore a scum!rayn perspective:
First of all, my reads could just be straight up wrong - as in, I am town reading scum and scum reading town - so it would be very advantageous of you as scum!rayn to claim to have the same reads as me (besides my read on you, of course). Second of all, I don't think you would be able to just outright ignore me calling you potentially scum, so you'd probably have to respond to this regardless, and coming back with "my town reads are the same as yours, how can I be scum?" can be an one way of doing so, instead of say arguing against the quotes I brought up in my list against you (which I would have found to be more interesting, potentially; why is my read on you wrong besides the fact that we have the "same" reads?). Thirdly, you could eventually circle back around to "Jealous is town" to try to get me off your case and curry favor with me, as follows:
On March 06 2024 22:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I take back my scumread on Jealous a little bit but i still want him to explain why he thinks i am mafia when all my mafia reads are in his scum pool.
^ Note that I believe I had not yet posted anything new in between your previous read and this one, if I recall correctly.
On March 07 2024 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am gonna say it now if there is mafia hiding it is DP.
Palmar, VE, Meapak, DMB, maybe Jealous.
If not one of those it's either TTS or DP, and i think afking completely is a shit thing as mafia, so i dont think TTS is mafia.
^ I'm not gonna read too much into me now being listed as a "maybe" because as I said above, I don't believe in strong D1 reads and I used a lot of soft language like that in my own reads, so I think this is NAI but still wanted to point it out as part of the progression of reads on me while I was wholly absent.
On March 07 2024 04:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Jeslous is town.
^ As soon as I come back and start responding to some stuff that happened overnight, suddenly I'm full town, with no real elaboration. To be fair, I kinda think that the fact that you just throw that out there with no substantiation isn't all that bad; I might have been more concerned if you were to manufacture some reason for why your read on me changed so drastically so quickly. Saying it this way makes it feel like more of a gut read to me. But, still worth noting.
So, do I think a scum!rayn could have the same reads as me?
I think the answer is yes. But, it's not like I'm dug in on you completely.
Do I think that a town!rayn being misread by me could have the same reads as me, and do all of the stuff above?
Sure, I think it's plausible, but I don't think I've seen too much that makes me think this is more likely at this juncture. Though, as I said earlier, I liked your posting over the past night, even if it was just mostly unravelling CopCake. I liked seeing posts like these:
On March 06 2024 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 23:33 CopCake wrote:
And I also white knightef Tfrel and I have no shame to say that.
Me and dmb probably only disagreed in our men.
She is pro vivax
I am/was pro rayn Yet neither of you did absolutely nothing to get your common scumread DP lynched and you both "scumread" each other. Looks fucking fishy to me.
Looking forward to seeing more, with perhaps more productive targets.
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