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Hapahauli
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Chezinu
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On June 10 2023 14:17 TankTopTiger wrote: @Vivax Assume (as I do) that DP is not getting lynched today. Who is your next lynch and why? @LS How did you learn to play mafia? Who from? I first played mafia in person in junior high. Years later in high school, I played my first mafia game on a forum back in 2008 after watching my brother play the first TL Mafia game. I lurked TeamLiquid's general forum for years where I occasionally looked at a blog. I never made an account until TL Mafia. It gave me a reason to want to post. If you are curious about my pre-troll meta, here is my filter: Chezinu's Filter Back then, games had clues. People still feared bans back then as well. People use to fear the mods back then. Also, filters weren't around back then. The TL forum didn't exist. Voting threads were in a different blog post. Still today, some voting threads can be found in the blogs (each day had a different blog post). Threads that were never transferred. | ||
Chezinu
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die_meatbaby
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CC is Rayn's fiancée. She is pretty sure that Rayn is Town. You find it suspicious that she sees him as Town when she usually sees him directly as Mafia. To me it looks more like she's just Town. When you are with someone you are sure what they are hiding or not hiding. I totally understand her reaction to your suspicion that she is red. Actually, it's just the emotional bond she has with Rayn. Strong Townread or Strong Mafiaread is just normal reaction of Love. Eyerthing inbetween would be a red flag for her. I feel the same way about Vivax. Either I see directly that he is green or red. In the first game I didn't think that it could be blue. DP looks bad for me There is no specific post that makes him red for me, its just the way he writes. Feels different to the last game. Vivax I don´t know why but I have a strong townread on him (for now). Maybe because I was the reason he got lychend on D1 in game 1 and I felt bad after that, but still just see him as Town. He posts little bullshit in the thread but seems normal for me. Chez Chez is posting is always hard to understand for me. I don´t know why but always messge hidden in message or he posting english proverbs, that I as a non englisch person don´t know or understand and have to google it. This game he is makeing different trolls. different writing. Feels supect but still its chez ane he is hard do read so grey flag MZ It feels like you are here all the time reading along but staying silent. You have made 10 posts and we already have over 30 pages in the thread. As a mafia I would also stay quiet and restrained. LS On June 09 2023 11:30 LightningStrike wrote: Ya my posting is considered scummy as fuck #hatersgonnahate It´s not hate it is what it is. On June 09 2023 11:31 LightningStrike wrote: For real though Darth I really hope we actually are the same alignment because we always been opposite alignments in the games we played together. Yeah together in the red team On June 09 2023 21:54 LightningStrike wrote: Darth you should go to sleep like you keep on saying Nice little hint from you for him that he get too suspicious. Also you really try to push this DP and CC thing. | ||
Chezinu
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On June 09 2023 15:16 Chezinu wrote: The morning arrived, casting a soft glow upon the world as I stepped outside, my heart pounding with anticipation. Today was the day I would confront my fears head-on, the day I would open the letter waiting patiently in my mailbox and lower the red flag that had taunted me for so long. Approaching the mailbox, I took a deep breath, mustering every ounce of courage within me. With trembling hands, I unlatched the lid, revealing the solitary envelope resting inside. It was as if the letter held a hidden power, a secret that could change everything. Gingerly, I withdrew the envelope from its enclosure, feeling the weight of its contents in my grasp. The paper felt delicate, as if it held a multitude of untold stories within its fibers. The Master's rules echoed in my mind once more, reminding me not to reveal anything personal about the sender. I carefully slit the envelope open, revealing the neatly folded letter contained within. Unfolding it, I held my breath, unsure of what I would find. The words that met my eyes were unexpected, a departure from the sterile nature of my usual deliveries. "Dear Courier, I know the burden you carry. The fear, the isolation. But remember, there is strength in unity, even in the face of an oppressive regime. Do not let the Master's control extinguish your spirit. Take solace in the small acts of rebellion, for they hold the power to ignite change. Lower the red flag today, reclaim your freedom. Together, we can defy the chains that bind us." As I read those words, a surge of hope coursed through my veins. It was as if the sender had understood my turmoil, my yearning for connection and liberation. Their message was a call to action, a rallying cry that resonated deep within me. Determined, I closed the letter and slipped it back into the envelope. The weight of the Master's gaze and the consequences of my actions paled in comparison to the flicker of rebellion that had ignited within me. Today, I would defy the Master's control, even if only in a small, symbolic act. With renewed purpose, I reached up and gently lowered the red flag, its descent a defiance against the oppressive grip of the Master. The symbolic act sent a surge of exhilaration through me, a sense of liberation that I hadn't felt in so long. The raised red flag had represented fear and subservience, but now, as it stood lowered, it became a beacon of hope, a symbol of resilience and the possibility of change. I had taken a step towards reclaiming my identity, towards forging a path of my own in the face of an oppressive regime. As I closed the mailbox, a newfound sense of empowerment filled me. The journey ahead would not be easy, but I had found allies, kindred spirits in the shadows. Together, we would continue to resist, to sow the seeds of rebellion, and to fight for a future where personal connections and individuality were celebrated. With each step I took on my mail courier route that day, I carried with me the words of the sender. They fueled my determination, reminding me that I was not alone in my struggles. I would continue to deliver the unsealed letters, but now, I would also carry within me the invisible threads that connected us, the whispers of unity and defiance against the Master's oppressive rule. I opened PM here. Good job Hapa. Also, great job to DarthPunk for understanding how I didn't open my PM in the first part of the story. I have been quite surprised how well people have been interpreting my stories. I have ceased the protest against the rules for now. Good job to whoever caught that one. | ||
die_meatbaby
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On June 10 2023 20:35 DarthPunk wrote: I’d like meat baby to explain her ninja vote on me also. I did | ||
Chezinu
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On June 10 2023 21:23 die_meatbaby wrote: CC is Town for me at the moment: CC is Rayn's fiancée. She is pretty sure that Rayn is Town. You find it suspicious that she sees him as Town when she usually sees him directly as Mafia. To me it looks more like she's just Town. When you are with someone you are sure what they are hiding or not hiding. I totally understand her reaction to your suspicion that she is red. Actually, it's just the emotional bond she has with Rayn. Strong Townread or Strong Mafiaread is just normal reaction of Love. Eyerthing inbetween would be a red flag for her. I feel the same way about Vivax. Either I see directly that he is green or red. In the first game I didn't think that it could be blue. DP looks bad for me There is no specific post that makes him red for me, its just the way he writes. Feels different to the last game. Vivax I don´t know why but I have a strong townread on him (for now). Maybe because I was the reason he got lychend on D1 in game 1 and I felt bad after that, but still just see him as Town. He posts little bullshit in the thread but seems normal for me. Chez Chez is posting is always hard to understand for me. I don´t know why but always messge hidden in message or he posting english proverbs, that I as a non englisch person don´t know or understand and have to google it. This game he is makeing different trolls. different writing. Feels supect but still its chez ane he is hard do read so grey flag MZ It feels like you are here all the time reading along but staying silent. You have made 10 posts and we already have over 30 pages in the thread. As a mafia I would also stay quiet and restrained. LS It´s not hate it is what it is. Yeah together in the red team Nice little hint from you for him that he get too suspicious. Also you really try to push this DP and CC thing. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize my antics were causing such a communication struggle. If you would like, I can give you a temporary window time to communicate with Chezinu at a lower troll volume. | ||
die_meatbaby
Colombia1344 Posts
On June 10 2023 21:30 Chezinu wrote: Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize my antics were causing such a communication struggle. If you would like, I can give you a temporary window time to communicate with Chezinu at a lower troll volume. Yes that would even be helpful once | ||
Vivax
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On June 09 2023 13:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: no only This was actually a jab from last game. I don't like the reaction, it feels meek which I'm not used from MB. No. DP didn't even inquire. At least if he pretended to play seriously, he could have wondered why the followup from MB was the following: On June 09 2023 13:50 die_meatbaby wrote: Last game DP claimed the lynch on LS. Maybe LS is scared again to get the lynch, because of DP. What if everybody got the same roles and the host is just messing with us ##vote Grackaroni Neither did he demand an explanation nor did he have a doubt about whether MB was serious about LS. On June 09 2023 14:20 Alakaslam wrote: Dude I take a shower and that is all you ppl said by then? Anyway DMB says senseless shit D1 if last game from mafia perspective is anything to go by, but is crackin' the town wisdom whip by D2 so do not dismiss Chezinu so different, Chezinu so hidden... I get NK fast, you know who it is First line made me laugh out. Slam felt like a comment was warranted on MB but not a read. D1 freepass I suppose is okay for second game, still. On June 09 2023 14:22 Alakaslam wrote: Ok look at last game .list post from hell Look at this game .relief finally I am town LS always looks fake but there is a difference But he recycled a post, so this one seems disingenous. I could think of another list post though: On June 09 2023 14:25 Alakaslam wrote: Fair enough, you clearly SR LS and that IS a read. Bad read still = valid read. Sometimes I forget this If I consider DP=town world, this was a bad reaction. Reminiscing upon this fresh look, DP looks better to me and Slam + rayn come off as worse considering how easily they got their elbows twisted. Slam moreso than rayn, and I know better than to underestimate rayn's scumplay. Scum in DP town world would like to position themselves around him when they feel like he has thread pull. I think both of them and to some extent TTT fit the bill off the top of my head. With rayn being the least probable in my books. Hinges on Cop's alignment too. | ||
Vivax
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Vivax I don´t know why but I have a strong townread on him (for now). Maybe because I was the reason he got lychend on D1 in game 1 and I felt bad after that, but still just see him as Town. He posts little bullshit in the thread but seems normal for me. ಠ_ಠ | ||
Hapahauli
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Chezinu
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I'll even help you out since you are new. For the last several years, Chezinu typically just trolls for the first 24 hours of Day 1. He basically makes a bunch of posts to through information into the game. In the first few years of mafia on TeamLiquid, most players would discuss the setup and come up with a town strategy. Oftentimes debating whether blue roles should claim or not. After years of playing and a standard format arose, people stopped discussing the setup and started discussing meta. Chezinu realized years back that it doesn't matter too much what we talk about. He even wrote a blog called "House of Chez" on his playstyle. It involved having fun, which is the reason for playing mafia to begin with and catching mafia off guard. Mafia players are usually defensive when they first start playing. Natural human behavior. However, if they are having fun and talking about something else besides the game, their defenses drop. That's when you catch them. Another technique is to appear useless, so mafia can accuse you thinking that you are an easy lynch. When a new player is the first person to accuse Chezinu of being mafia, they were mafia 100% of the time. This is known as the Chezinu Rule and hasn't been broken despite playing on this forum for over 15 years. Anyways, I got carried away. The 24 hour troll period has ended. Chezinu has and will soon start the hunt. He is a reaction reader. In other words, he best gets his reads from interacting with player firsthand instead of observing from the distance. You have a mission now. Can you keep Chezinu from trolling too much this game? From experience, his sanity only last so longer before a microexpression of a smile emerges. And the troll burst out of him in laughter. Remember, meta changes and therefore Chezinu's playstyle changes. But there are core principles he follows. Many Vets here know them and even the Host creates rules against them. So, let's do this. | ||
LightningStrike
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On June 10 2023 14:17 TankTopTiger wrote: @Vivax Assume (as I do) that DP is not getting lynched today. Who is your next lynch and why? @LS How did you learn to play mafia? Who from? I was coached by Slam back in 2014 as town (he plays much different than how he coached back then) here on TL in Campus mafia (I was the town cop and got lynched Day 1) LoneMeow and GlowingBear coached me as well. On June 10 2023 16:36 DarthPunk wrote: Catch up post: (I have been following the thread on my phone but I am using the 2 hours free time I have now to post in more detail.) These posts make me think the cop cake stuff could just be a comprehension issue. I was clearly talking about myself posting less. It does make me concerned that someone is calling someone out without reading/understanding? their filter cause I had talked about this on the front page as well. This post is scummy to me, but I think LS has posted so much more this game than last, MZ states later that this could be a reaction to his failings as scum in the prior game, and that could be true, but do people adjust so fast? can LS adjust that fast? I'm not sure, following the thread I feel better about LS than last game at this point I guess? I think he might just post in a way that is traditionally scummy. the real thing to look for is engagement levels, and they seem to be higher, but I also don't see him analysing things or scum hunting. Is LS able to do those things as town? Find it weird that TTT did not read the post properly either. Yep, either willful ignorance or straight up ignorant (see my big post on the matter) How you ask? Its midnight, I'm phone posting in bed and I was drunk. I wasn't sheeping marvs shit, I was saying, if Marv thought that, it would be reasonable for others to also think this, but yeah just misread it. Lol. These two posts are absolutely not aligned, first is 'look i am participating I get whats happening' second is "yeah so confusing." Actually LS is sheeping rayn hard Then Like rayn is clearly trying to get somewhere in the mess, LS is just trying to be part of it without actually adding things? More rayn sheep. Pretty gross. This post by Vivax is WILD! This partis just straight up untrue. I never town read LS on face value, I call that post out for feeling crafted, and guess what, Copypasta. It was. What questions? the one I did at the start of the game to get shit going? no idea what this means TBH I never mentioned her lunch. the thing we both saw was a narrative of suspicions cast at me which relied on a super early town read of rayn that didn;t make sense based on the stated meta of her scum reading rayn. And then she refused to elaborate on this town read. Yeah shit post Vivax TBH. Now LS sheeps vivax's take of the cupcake /Dp battle feeling forced. But its cast as his own idea? He knows someone else feels that way, vivax just posted that exact sentiment. Bad, bad, bad. Wrong, its actually pro town (not that the case on CC is particularly forced IMO) I feel fairly comfortable taking heat from people and provoking activity at the cost of some mild defending. I definitely have been the driver of a lot of activity and forcing people to take positions early in day one which is certainly pro town. You're right in regard to me though, I could probably still do this as mafia. Yep, that is why I scum read him for it immediately. lol. Bad. Initially I thought hapa didn't do enough to establish himself as town when he entered the game, particularly if he prides himself as being easy to read (and from memory this was very true when he was town 7 years ago) But the second read through he seems better to me, just feels very relaxed. The problem with this is that I don't think he read his role PM. Agree at this point in my read through. Bad. Exactly. Where the fuck did this come from? Is this only for activity levels? YOu also thought he was town last game FWIW. And were very wrong. And it's only gotten worse as I read through I am afraid. WTF?! Why the backflip. Nevermind. Bad does not equal scum. Otherwise Vivax is 1000% mafia in this spot. I like DMB this game, not that I agree with all her reads, just reminds me of the end of last game a bit, like she is reading and comprehending what is actually happening. Not pretending to. Thats like 75th percentile play at this juncture. Actually you were sheeping strong players. HARD. This is just so not true. This is the big reason to scum read cop cake, she was paranoid as fuck in the obs thread, and it makes no sense for her to say, I was wrong last game and now I think you are town. I also think the way I enter games tends to draw out interest from scum trying to start a wagon on me, it's a great way of getting reads IMO. 1. Regarding how I post: People say I post in a traditional scummy way regardless of my alignment 2. I did legit wasn't getting it at the time and posted it twice even! 3. Regarding Vivax: He didn't say anything about that fight you had with CopCake looking forced. Check his filter at that time. 4. You did in this post I replying to admit you the fight you had with CopCake was forced 5. Regarding sheeping: You do know that I think I was first person to call CopCake town after waht happened last game why would I make such a bold read against the grain vs a much better player in Rayn? I also didn't exactly sheep per say though on that stuff you called me sheeping I was giving my own thoughts. On June 10 2023 21:23 die_meatbaby wrote: CC is Town for me at the moment: CC is Rayn's fiancée. She is pretty sure that Rayn is Town. You find it suspicious that she sees him as Town when she usually sees him directly as Mafia. To me it looks more like she's just Town. When you are with someone you are sure what they are hiding or not hiding. I totally understand her reaction to your suspicion that she is red. Actually, it's just the emotional bond she has with Rayn. Strong Townread or Strong Mafiaread is just normal reaction of Love. Eyerthing inbetween would be a red flag for her. I feel the same way about Vivax. Either I see directly that he is green or red. In the first game I didn't think that it could be blue. DP looks bad for me There is no specific post that makes him red for me, its just the way he writes. Feels different to the last game. Vivax I don´t know why but I have a strong townread on him (for now). Maybe because I was the reason he got lychend on D1 in game 1 and I felt bad after that, but still just see him as Town. He posts little bullshit in the thread but seems normal for me. Chez Chez is posting is always hard to understand for me. I don´t know why but always messge hidden in message or he posting english proverbs, that I as a non englisch person don´t know or understand and have to google it. This game he is makeing different trolls. different writing. Feels supect but still its chez ane he is hard do read so grey flag MZ It feels like you are here all the time reading along but staying silent. You have made 10 posts and we already have over 30 pages in the thread. As a mafia I would also stay quiet and restrained. LS It´s not hate it is what it is. Yeah together in the red team Nice little hint from you for him that he get too suspicious. Also you really try to push this DP and CC thing. Ok regarding the haters gonna hate you really think I would post that right coming off a terrible game as mafia so early like that? If I was mafia with Darth this game especially if you HAD read the mafia discord chat why I would tell him this game to bus me so hard so early given what I told VE in the previous game in that discord chat? Also that last post I was legit trying to tell Darth regardless of his alignment to sleep given he did say he needed to sleep. Regarding the Darth and CopCake stuff do you think the people pushing it (like me) are mafia just trying to push it or is it the motivation for pushing it is why you got me as mafia? | ||
LightningStrike
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On June 10 2023 17:30 TankTopTiger wrote: It's the only point in his favour, but IMO it's a big point. Last game, he posted little and managed to throw his position hard, not just look scummy as predicted by his meta. This game he's posting a lot, so I think we get to be confident in catching him if he stays around. But LS, this is conditional on you continuing to post a lot, and you need to post your reads that come from you. You keep regurgitating what other people say, or asking questions that are already answered. I need to see you looking. What questions did I ask that were already answered? | ||
Meapak_Ziphh
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On June 10 2023 12:26 LightningStrike wrote: I was scum hunting by asking questions about people trying to come up with my own conclusions? I did come up with my own conclusions and was some of posting them. Who is mafia LS? | ||
LightningStrike
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How many times did I answer this question? I said Darth I thought? | ||
LightningStrike
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Meapak_Ziphh
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On June 10 2023 20:54 Hapahauli wrote: I still think the worst thing in the thread is MZ's posting. I've mentioned his entrance post, but his post on LS also gives me the shakes. I think it is a lot of grandstanding by MZ. Full of very unnecessary sarcasm, snarkiness... like he's trying to criticise LS's play. I'll elaborate more when I am at my computer later this afternoon. I await this with baited breath | ||
LightningStrike
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Vivax
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##Unvote: DP I'll reconsider if I want to pull through with the hail marry vote. On June 09 2023 16:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: I did it because i expected something from you. Did you expect something from me? It hasn't been clear to me yet if you did or not. This: ..is bullcrap mostly, because if there is nothing to have an opinion on, then there is no point in forging an opinion on something. If you think i should have had an opinion on something at that time, feel free to call me scum for it. If not, then you were just making a pointless question you even pressed onwards without any basis in the first place. This nudges me towards rayn town as the answer is tonally strong, but it also feels like it's based on redundant reasoning that gets down to 'but you did it first' on DPs side. I think rayn does come off better than DP from this. Maybe I'm imagining it but DP tries hard to appear firm in his expression while I'm not sure that's really his mental state while writing. I don't think they're paired if one of them is mafia, at the very least. | ||
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