On January 28 2023 18:13 TheCheapSkate wrote:
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showstealer1829
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On January 28 2023 18:13 TheCheapSkate wrote: Zerg Yeah that. | ||
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Drfilip
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Who among these are 1/20 to win? | ||
Herringbone
29 Posts
On February 01 2023 13:09 kochanfe wrote: My super-scientific-not-at-all-subjective-or-in-any-way-pulled-straight-out-of-my-ass impression, not having watched much SC2 over the last few months would be maybe something like: 23% – Serral 23% – Maru 12% – herO 12% – Reynor 12% – Dark 6% – Clem 5% – ByuN 4% – Solar 2% – Bunny 1% – Someone Else So I guess a bit under 60% Korea, a bit over 40% Europe, and considerably less than 1% Other? I think this is pretty good. Clem absolutely has a chance. He could easily have a bracket that gets Reynor and Serral in the semi and final with them having knocked out some of the other heavy weights. It's similar to Heromarine last year without the Reynor/Serral historical success. | ||
angry_maia
300 Posts
On February 01 2023 13:09 kochanfe wrote: My super-scientific-not-at-all-subjective-or-in-any-way-pulled-straight-out-of-my-ass impression, not having watched much SC2 over the last few months would be maybe something like: 23% – Serral 23% – Maru 12% – herO 12% – Reynor 12% – Dark 6% – Clem 5% – ByuN 4% – Solar 2% – Bunny 1% – Someone Else So I guess a bit under 60% Korea, a bit over 40% Europe, and considerably less than 1% Other? I like this prediction style -- I'll give my probabilities. I mostly agree, but i think you are underrating Reynor, Dark, and overrating herO. My reasoning is that herO is sorta like a 50/50 against any elite player -- I would not be surprised to see anyone of (Maru, Serral, Clem, HeroMarine, Dark, Reynor, Byun, Bunny) knock him out, and i would be roughty as unsurprised to see him win. For this reason, assuming a ro12, he's got a roughly 1/16 chance of winning (assuming he gets elite players). However, ro8 gives him a 1/8 chance So I put him somewhere in the middle to get a bit below 10%. The key difference for Reynor, Serral, Dark, over Hero is that I'd strongly favor them over the likes of HeroMarine, Bunny, or Byun. To me, their only threats are a super on form Clem (who I just cannot trust to make deep runs in these tournaments until I see it), herO, and Maru. And these are all players who might get eliminated before being able to face the zergs (except Maru, who i think is pretty safe). 25% – Serral 20% – Reynor 20% – Maru 15% – Dark 9% – herO 5% – ByuN 2% – Clem 2% – Bunny 1% – Solar 1% – Someone Else | ||
dysenterymd
1150 Posts
On February 08 2023 06:19 angry_maia wrote: Show nested quote + On February 01 2023 13:09 kochanfe wrote: My super-scientific-not-at-all-subjective-or-in-any-way-pulled-straight-out-of-my-ass impression, not having watched much SC2 over the last few months would be maybe something like: 23% – Serral 23% – Maru 12% – herO 12% – Reynor 12% – Dark 6% – Clem 5% – ByuN 4% – Solar 2% – Bunny 1% – Someone Else So I guess a bit under 60% Korea, a bit over 40% Europe, and considerably less than 1% Other? I like this prediction style -- I'll give my probabilities. I mostly agree, but i think you are underrating Reynor, Dark, and overrating herO. My reasoning is that herO is sorta like a 50/50 against any elite player -- I would not be surprised to see anyone of (Maru, Serral, Clem, HeroMarine, Dark, Reynor, Byun, Bunny) knock him out, and i would be roughty as unsurprised to see him win. For this reason, assuming a ro12, he's got a roughly 1/16 chance of winning (assuming he gets elite players). However, ro8 gives him a 1/8 chance So I put him somewhere in the middle to get a bit below 10%. The key difference for Reynor, Serral, Dark, over Hero is that I'd strongly favor them over the likes of HeroMarine, Bunny, or Byun. To me, their only threats are a super on form Clem (who I just cannot trust to make deep runs in these tournaments until I see it), herO, and Maru. And these are all players who might get eliminated before being able to face the zergs (except Maru, who i think is pretty safe). 25% – Serral 20% – Reynor 20% – Maru 15% – Dark 9% – herO 5% – ByuN 2% – Clem 2% – Bunny 1% – Solar 1% – Someone Else I think you're underrating herO's odds against people like Clem/HM/Byun/Bunny, while I think he's more likely to be upset by one of those than the other top players, I wouldn't give any of those players more than a 1/3 chance of beating him. My odds are 25% Serral 20% Reynor 20% Dark 15% herO 10% Maru 10% someone else (if someone outside of the top 5 wins my guess is Solar or Bunny. ) herO over Maru is because herO's been more clutch at offline international tournaments. | ||
angry_maia
300 Posts
On February 08 2023 07:09 dysenterymd wrote: Show nested quote + On February 08 2023 06:19 angry_maia wrote: On February 01 2023 13:09 kochanfe wrote: My super-scientific-not-at-all-subjective-or-in-any-way-pulled-straight-out-of-my-ass impression, not having watched much SC2 over the last few months would be maybe something like: 23% – Serral 23% – Maru 12% – herO 12% – Reynor 12% – Dark 6% – Clem 5% – ByuN 4% – Solar 2% – Bunny 1% – Someone Else So I guess a bit under 60% Korea, a bit over 40% Europe, and considerably less than 1% Other? I like this prediction style -- I'll give my probabilities. I mostly agree, but i think you are underrating Reynor, Dark, and overrating herO. My reasoning is that herO is sorta like a 50/50 against any elite player -- I would not be surprised to see anyone of (Maru, Serral, Clem, HeroMarine, Dark, Reynor, Byun, Bunny) knock him out, and i would be roughty as unsurprised to see him win. For this reason, assuming a ro12, he's got a roughly 1/16 chance of winning (assuming he gets elite players). However, ro8 gives him a 1/8 chance So I put him somewhere in the middle to get a bit below 10%. The key difference for Reynor, Serral, Dark, over Hero is that I'd strongly favor them over the likes of HeroMarine, Bunny, or Byun. To me, their only threats are a super on form Clem (who I just cannot trust to make deep runs in these tournaments until I see it), herO, and Maru. And these are all players who might get eliminated before being able to face the zergs (except Maru, who i think is pretty safe). 25% – Serral 20% – Reynor 20% – Maru 15% – Dark 9% – herO 5% – ByuN 2% – Clem 2% – Bunny 1% – Solar 1% – Someone Else I think you're underrating herO's odds against people like Clem/HM/Byun/Bunny, while I think he's more likely to be upset by one of those than the other top players, I wouldn't give any of those players more than a 1/3 chance of beating him. My odds are 25% Serral 20% Reynor 20% Dark 15% herO 10% Maru 10% someone else (if someone outside of the top 5 wins my guess is Solar or Bunny. ) herO over Maru is because herO's been more clutch at offline international tournaments. Aligulac sees herO vs Gabe as a 55/45 favored for herO, and lately herO has been getting his butt kicked by Byun. He also had a super tight series against Bunny. Of course, offline tournaments are different, so I can see you rating herO better than aligulac suggests. However, I think putting him above Maru is a mistake -- exactly which players do you think herO has better chances against than Maru? I think Maru would destroy Clem/Hm/Byun/Bunny a lot more convincingly than herO, and maru's tvp is definitely good enough to smash anyone that isn't herO. Perhaps herO has a slight edge against the zergs, but Maru is pretty good there too. | ||
Poopi
France12738 Posts
Serral 40% Dark 20% Reynor 15% Maru 10% herO 5% Clem 3% Bunny 3% Solar 2% DRG 2% I would be very surprised to see a non zerg win this event, but I will still be hopeful until the end! | ||
Herringbone
29 Posts
Nice idea, here are my odds: Serral 40% Dark 20% Reynor 15% Maru 10% herO 5% Clem 3% Bunny 3% Solar 2% DRG 2% I would be very surprised to see a non zerg win this event, but I will still be hopeful until the end! If these odds were at a casino I think money would pour in on Maru. | ||
dysenterymd
1150 Posts
On February 08 2023 07:46 angry_maia wrote: Show nested quote + On February 08 2023 07:09 dysenterymd wrote: On February 08 2023 06:19 angry_maia wrote: On February 01 2023 13:09 kochanfe wrote: My super-scientific-not-at-all-subjective-or-in-any-way-pulled-straight-out-of-my-ass impression, not having watched much SC2 over the last few months would be maybe something like: 23% – Serral 23% – Maru 12% – herO 12% – Reynor 12% – Dark 6% – Clem 5% – ByuN 4% – Solar 2% – Bunny 1% – Someone Else So I guess a bit under 60% Korea, a bit over 40% Europe, and considerably less than 1% Other? I like this prediction style -- I'll give my probabilities. I mostly agree, but i think you are underrating Reynor, Dark, and overrating herO. My reasoning is that herO is sorta like a 50/50 against any elite player -- I would not be surprised to see anyone of (Maru, Serral, Clem, HeroMarine, Dark, Reynor, Byun, Bunny) knock him out, and i would be roughty as unsurprised to see him win. For this reason, assuming a ro12, he's got a roughly 1/16 chance of winning (assuming he gets elite players). However, ro8 gives him a 1/8 chance So I put him somewhere in the middle to get a bit below 10%. The key difference for Reynor, Serral, Dark, over Hero is that I'd strongly favor them over the likes of HeroMarine, Bunny, or Byun. To me, their only threats are a super on form Clem (who I just cannot trust to make deep runs in these tournaments until I see it), herO, and Maru. And these are all players who might get eliminated before being able to face the zergs (except Maru, who i think is pretty safe). 25% – Serral 20% – Reynor 20% – Maru 15% – Dark 9% – herO 5% – ByuN 2% – Clem 2% – Bunny 1% – Solar 1% – Someone Else I think you're underrating herO's odds against people like Clem/HM/Byun/Bunny, while I think he's more likely to be upset by one of those than the other top players, I wouldn't give any of those players more than a 1/3 chance of beating him. My odds are 25% Serral 20% Reynor 20% Dark 15% herO 10% Maru 10% someone else (if someone outside of the top 5 wins my guess is Solar or Bunny. ) herO over Maru is because herO's been more clutch at offline international tournaments. Aligulac sees herO vs Gabe as a 55/45 favored for herO, and lately herO has been getting his butt kicked by Byun. He also had a super tight series against Bunny. Of course, offline tournaments are different, so I can see you rating herO better than aligulac suggests. However, I think putting him above Maru is a mistake -- exactly which players do you think herO has better chances against than Maru? I think Maru would destroy Clem/Hm/Byun/Bunny a lot more convincingly than herO, and maru's tvp is definitely good enough to smash anyone that isn't herO. Perhaps herO has a slight edge against the zergs, but Maru is pretty good there too. I think herO has a much better chance at beating Serral than Maru does, but they probably have similar odds against Reynor/Dark. I don't disagree with any of your arguments, I just think Maru typically hasn't played to his full potential in world championship events, which is why I'd give herO the edge if I were betting. | ||
tigera6
3168 Posts
On February 08 2023 10:25 dysenterymd wrote: Show nested quote + On February 08 2023 07:46 angry_maia wrote: On February 08 2023 07:09 dysenterymd wrote: On February 08 2023 06:19 angry_maia wrote: On February 01 2023 13:09 kochanfe wrote: My super-scientific-not-at-all-subjective-or-in-any-way-pulled-straight-out-of-my-ass impression, not having watched much SC2 over the last few months would be maybe something like: 23% – Serral 23% – Maru 12% – herO 12% – Reynor 12% – Dark 6% – Clem 5% – ByuN 4% – Solar 2% – Bunny 1% – Someone Else So I guess a bit under 60% Korea, a bit over 40% Europe, and considerably less than 1% Other? I like this prediction style -- I'll give my probabilities. I mostly agree, but i think you are underrating Reynor, Dark, and overrating herO. My reasoning is that herO is sorta like a 50/50 against any elite player -- I would not be surprised to see anyone of (Maru, Serral, Clem, HeroMarine, Dark, Reynor, Byun, Bunny) knock him out, and i would be roughty as unsurprised to see him win. For this reason, assuming a ro12, he's got a roughly 1/16 chance of winning (assuming he gets elite players). However, ro8 gives him a 1/8 chance So I put him somewhere in the middle to get a bit below 10%. The key difference for Reynor, Serral, Dark, over Hero is that I'd strongly favor them over the likes of HeroMarine, Bunny, or Byun. To me, their only threats are a super on form Clem (who I just cannot trust to make deep runs in these tournaments until I see it), herO, and Maru. And these are all players who might get eliminated before being able to face the zergs (except Maru, who i think is pretty safe). 25% – Serral 20% – Reynor 20% – Maru 15% – Dark 9% – herO 5% – ByuN 2% – Clem 2% – Bunny 1% – Solar 1% – Someone Else I think you're underrating herO's odds against people like Clem/HM/Byun/Bunny, while I think he's more likely to be upset by one of those than the other top players, I wouldn't give any of those players more than a 1/3 chance of beating him. My odds are 25% Serral 20% Reynor 20% Dark 15% herO 10% Maru 10% someone else (if someone outside of the top 5 wins my guess is Solar or Bunny. ) herO over Maru is because herO's been more clutch at offline international tournaments. Aligulac sees herO vs Gabe as a 55/45 favored for herO, and lately herO has been getting his butt kicked by Byun. He also had a super tight series against Bunny. Of course, offline tournaments are different, so I can see you rating herO better than aligulac suggests. However, I think putting him above Maru is a mistake -- exactly which players do you think herO has better chances against than Maru? I think Maru would destroy Clem/Hm/Byun/Bunny a lot more convincingly than herO, and maru's tvp is definitely good enough to smash anyone that isn't herO. Perhaps herO has a slight edge against the zergs, but Maru is pretty good there too. I think herO has a much better chance at beating Serral than Maru does, but they probably have similar odds against Reynor/Dark. I don't disagree with any of your arguments, I just think Maru typically hasn't played to his full potential in world championship events, which is why I'd give herO the edge if I were betting. And what has herO accomplished in a world championship tournament? I think the best he did was Ro4 in the year that Soo won IEM? Maru did that 3 times but herO has the edge? The only thing I agree is that herO is probably more favoured vs Serral than Maru vs Serral. | ||
Charoisaur
Germany15826 Posts
On February 08 2023 11:29 tigera6 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 08 2023 10:25 dysenterymd wrote: On February 08 2023 07:46 angry_maia wrote: On February 08 2023 07:09 dysenterymd wrote: On February 08 2023 06:19 angry_maia wrote: On February 01 2023 13:09 kochanfe wrote: My super-scientific-not-at-all-subjective-or-in-any-way-pulled-straight-out-of-my-ass impression, not having watched much SC2 over the last few months would be maybe something like: 23% – Serral 23% – Maru 12% – herO 12% – Reynor 12% – Dark 6% – Clem 5% – ByuN 4% – Solar 2% – Bunny 1% – Someone Else So I guess a bit under 60% Korea, a bit over 40% Europe, and considerably less than 1% Other? I like this prediction style -- I'll give my probabilities. I mostly agree, but i think you are underrating Reynor, Dark, and overrating herO. My reasoning is that herO is sorta like a 50/50 against any elite player -- I would not be surprised to see anyone of (Maru, Serral, Clem, HeroMarine, Dark, Reynor, Byun, Bunny) knock him out, and i would be roughty as unsurprised to see him win. For this reason, assuming a ro12, he's got a roughly 1/16 chance of winning (assuming he gets elite players). However, ro8 gives him a 1/8 chance So I put him somewhere in the middle to get a bit below 10%. The key difference for Reynor, Serral, Dark, over Hero is that I'd strongly favor them over the likes of HeroMarine, Bunny, or Byun. To me, their only threats are a super on form Clem (who I just cannot trust to make deep runs in these tournaments until I see it), herO, and Maru. And these are all players who might get eliminated before being able to face the zergs (except Maru, who i think is pretty safe). 25% – Serral 20% – Reynor 20% – Maru 15% – Dark 9% – herO 5% – ByuN 2% – Clem 2% – Bunny 1% – Solar 1% – Someone Else I think you're underrating herO's odds against people like Clem/HM/Byun/Bunny, while I think he's more likely to be upset by one of those than the other top players, I wouldn't give any of those players more than a 1/3 chance of beating him. My odds are 25% Serral 20% Reynor 20% Dark 15% herO 10% Maru 10% someone else (if someone outside of the top 5 wins my guess is Solar or Bunny. ) herO over Maru is because herO's been more clutch at offline international tournaments. Aligulac sees herO vs Gabe as a 55/45 favored for herO, and lately herO has been getting his butt kicked by Byun. He also had a super tight series against Bunny. Of course, offline tournaments are different, so I can see you rating herO better than aligulac suggests. However, I think putting him above Maru is a mistake -- exactly which players do you think herO has better chances against than Maru? I think Maru would destroy Clem/Hm/Byun/Bunny a lot more convincingly than herO, and maru's tvp is definitely good enough to smash anyone that isn't herO. Perhaps herO has a slight edge against the zergs, but Maru is pretty good there too. I think herO has a much better chance at beating Serral than Maru does, but they probably have similar odds against Reynor/Dark. I don't disagree with any of your arguments, I just think Maru typically hasn't played to his full potential in world championship events, which is why I'd give herO the edge if I were betting. And what has herO accomplished in a world championship tournament? I think the best he did was Ro4 in the year that Soo won IEM? Maru did that 3 times but herO has the edge? The only thing I agree is that herO is probably more favoured vs Serral than Maru vs Serral. herO also reached the finals in the winner takes it all IEM that sOs won | ||
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