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Northern Ireland23052 Posts
On December 11 2019 03:42 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2019 03:28 Locutos wrote:On December 10 2019 10:00 BerserkSword wrote:On December 09 2019 20:23 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 09 2019 14:45 BerserkSword wrote:On December 09 2019 13:14 UnLarva wrote:On December 09 2019 13:08 BerserkSword wrote:On December 09 2019 12:59 UnLarva wrote:On December 09 2019 11:57 Kitai wrote:
Damn, Serral keeps piling on the accomplishments. With every other player out there it's like you're waiting for the slump to come after the peak but he's been just red hot for like 2 years straight. History in the making for sure. Even when he looks shaky for his peak standards, it is still usually enough to win, and he almost never look really weak even when losing a match, which tend to be still usually close calls. His doings over these last two years are something that has forced people use different standards for Serral and others when evaluating success. Ro4 in Blizzcon or Ro8 in IEM are very great achievements for everyone else, but in Serral's case he is "slumping" or "washed up" or "rekt". Think about it. It is soon really impossible not to consider him as The GOAT, even without the GSL participation and success as no player can show better 2 years long continuous tenure vs Top Koreans. He is transcending the definition of "success" in SC2. If I measure serral to someone like prime sOs’ standard, serral doesn’t really seem impressive at all. I see. How many years and how many more top placements and wins in tournaments he would then need you to measure his standard as "really impressive"? He's going to at least need to be doing it longer than someone like sOs did, since sOs did his thing in Korea during a stronger era. On December 09 2019 13:49 Noa Greenini wrote:On December 09 2019 13:14 UnLarva wrote:On December 09 2019 13:08 BerserkSword wrote:On December 09 2019 12:59 UnLarva wrote:On December 09 2019 11:57 Kitai wrote:
Damn, Serral keeps piling on the accomplishments. With every other player out there it's like you're waiting for the slump to come after the peak but he's been just red hot for like 2 years straight. History in the making for sure. Even when he looks shaky for his peak standards, it is still usually enough to win, and he almost never look really weak even when losing a match, which tend to be still usually close calls. His doings over these last two years are something that has forced people use different standards for Serral and others when evaluating success. Ro4 in Blizzcon or Ro8 in IEM are very great achievements for everyone else, but in Serral's case he is "slumping" or "washed up" or "rekt". Think about it. It is soon really impossible not to consider him as The GOAT, even without the GSL participation and success as no player can show better 2 years long continuous tenure vs Top Koreans. He is transcending the definition of "success" in SC2. If I measure serral to someone like prime sOs’ standard, serral doesn’t really seem impressive at all. I see. How many years and how many more top placements and wins in tournaments he would then need you to measure his standard as "really impressive"? I mean, probably literally all of them. And he also would need to drop zero maps every time, just like sOs. Don't you remember when sOs dominated/got super deep in every tournament he participated in? sOs won 5 premiers in 7 years, how is Serral gonna beat that with only 11 premiers since 2018? That's only like 5.5/year. And Serral has basically fallen off. Did you know he lost to Raynor (a foreigner) in WCS? When did you see sOs lose to a foreigner this year in WCS? Didn't think so! ;-) Context matters. sOs was in Korea his entire career, in a stronger era no less. sOs has won Korean tournaments ,TWO blizzcons, and has stayed near the top while playing in that era for a LONG time. All of those second place finishes and top 4s in those korean tournaments blow serral's farming of WCS circuit trophies and HSC wins out of the water imo If you think Serral's run has been more impressive than what sOs did I dont know what to tell you. sOs was also in Korea in full time team environments in a cut throat competitive scene for years, which is tough to prosper in but also comes with many advantages too. Contextually speaking Serral broke through not just the ‘not being a Korean’ ceiling but also became one of the best players in the world while not spending a particularly large amount of time in Korea either. It a basketball player or NFL player became the best player in the world (or close) without having played in the NBA or NFL respectively that would be a news story of note. sOs and others have impressive achievements for sure, equally they have their share of slumps and failures as well, which Serral has less of, since becoming an elite player. Everyone has their slightly different valuations and personal favourites, but these players are all in the same rough ballpark. The team environment in Korea gave players perks but the fact remains that the scene was far more difficult back then even accounting for those perks. It takes an sOs or innovation to have such dominance in a cut throat scene. Serral's feats are very weak compared to what sOs for example did. Serral is an insanely talented player but he has simply not run the gauntlet and his accolades pale in comparison. I have no problem saying Serral's achievements are not a news story of note. I am not contesting that. I am not even contesting the fact that he was at one point strongest player in the world. I am contesting people saying this is the greatest we've seen, particularly in terms of success (my original post was in response to the guy saying serral transcends the definition of success) Nobody would ever call a basketball player who has not proven himself in the NBA the GOAT or close to the GOAT. Sabonis is the closest thing we have to that scenario and nobody called him GOAT and when he came to the U.S. and played in the NBA his hype was brought back down to earth. Serral has fewer slumps because he plays in a far weaker environment. He But he doesnt confine himself in non Korean enviroment. He clashes with the best of them pretty often. And beats them almost always. And even in the few times he lost, he didnt look weak and it was in later steps of the tourney. But you cant put aside Serrals dominance cus there are no more korean teams anymore. This very same argument nulifiea itself. Koreans dont have the upside of a rich team scenario anymore. But so does Serral. When sOs was dominant, he had a team to practice and test and better analysis the game. So he had the same perks his competition. Same happens to Serral (his condition is even worse, since theres still Jin Air - which happens to concentrate the most dominants players of Korea). He lacks the same perks the the nowadays korean scene lacks: rich team scenario. And keeps beating them all for 2 years. The argument doesn’t nullify itself at all. Like I said before despite being part of a team having perks, those perks were outweighed by the level of difficulty of the Korea scene back then. sOs has better tournament success in a MUCH tougher environment than Serral. Until serral immerses himself in the meat grinder that is Korea or wins like multiple Blizzcons/IEM caliber tournaments his single Blizzcon, his farming of the protected wcs circuit , and winning a handful of some of the more “fun” tournaments doesn’t put him on the same level of tournament success as guys like sOs dark and inno for example. If you’re not going to participate in the gsl then you better have a hell of an impressive resume to make up for it. I’m guessing that’s why serral only ranked 18 in tl GOAT contest lol
Or two GSL vs the Worlds which have a damn solid field.
Last Blizzcon it wasn’t a Korean who put him out after all, he went 6-0 against two Koreans.
Why does Serral have to go to the GSL to prove himself given his basically having a winning head-to-head against all of the same players? I’d like him to personally as a fan of the game and the prestige of the tournament.
I don’t really buy that the level has dropped all that much at the Korean top end either. If it has it only takes one standard player to keep their top level and just clean up everything, which hasn’t happened.
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On December 10 2019 14:56 Snakestyle11 wrote:
Im so tired of everyone judging balance around Serral. And of ppl saying Serral wouldnt win as much as other race.
Its not about the race. Just in the games he plays against other top players, you can clearly see he can just do more things at the same time, and do them better than any other players.
If he was terran, he would still find ways to outmultitask out harass opponents and macro like a beast.
Hes just on more screens at the same time.
1000% this. Its kinda funny, that some people still dont see that. People would prolly still whine about the balance if he was playing random.
On December 10 2019 14:56 Snakestyle11 wrote:
You terran players are like martyr who think any time a terran player does well ( Maru, byun, innovation, mvp, teaja ..etc) its because hes a god and is 1000 times better than others while playing with worst race.
Meanwhile, If the top player is Serral and is zerg, its because its the race.
Yup.
On December 10 2019 14:56 Snakestyle11 wrote:
News flash, Serral has more raw skills than any other player ever in the history of the game. He doesnt rely on gimmicks or strong all-ins or imbalanced era to win, he relies on better macro, more screen per minute, and out multitasking his opponents by making less mistakes and provoking more mistakes.
People tend to forget about that too. How long was Serral dominant just by playing standard macro games ? Like a full year or so ? Can you imagine ? A full year of dominance practically without any all-ins or cheese ? Just pure macro play. He was just so ahead of everyone, that he didnt need the cheese or upredictability to win. Isnt that a sign of something ? Finally after other players started picking that up and try to take advantage of that (mainly Raynor) and take significant risks to get ahead, started Serral adapt to that and add some cheese/all-ins to his repertory. Even Koreans have admitted that he is the best for soon 1,5 years. But still some dont think he is impressive, lol.
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On December 10 2019 14:56 Snakestyle11 wrote:
Im so tired of everyone judging balance around Serral. And of ppl saying Serral wouldnt win as much as other race.
Its not about the race. Just in the games he plays against other top players, you can clearly see he can just do more things at the same time, and do them better than any other players.
If he was terran, he would still find ways to outmultitask out harass opponents and macro like a beast.
Hes just on more screens at the same time.
You terran players are like martyr who think any time a terran player does well ( Maru, byun, innovation, mvp, teaja ..etc) its because hes a god and is 1000 times better than others while playing with worst race.
Meanwhile, If the top player is Serral and is zerg, its because its the race.
News flash, Serral has more raw skills than any other player ever in the history of the game. He doesnt rely on gimmicks or strong all-ins or imbalanced era to win, he relies on better macro, more screen per minute, and out multitasking his opponents by making less mistakes and provoking more mistakes.
This terran circle jerk victim complex has to end. Terran is the strongest its ever been, foreign terrans just arent as good as zerg players, get over yourselves.
You could make zerg super underpowered and Serral would still win fairly often because hes just way better than his opponents, and with a pool of 30 players, most games are decided by skills and not balance.
Maybe it's because he's not the only Zerg having so much success lately and there are 4 Zergs at the moment which are almost unbeatable by other races (or at least there were on the old patch - Dark and Rogue haven't played since then)
Are they all just better than the best T/P players?
I think it's undeniable that Zerg has been very favored almost the entire year
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On December 11 2019 03:58 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2019 14:56 Snakestyle11 wrote:
Im so tired of everyone judging balance around Serral. And of ppl saying Serral wouldnt win as much as other race.
Its not about the race. Just in the games he plays against other top players, you can clearly see he can just do more things at the same time, and do them better than any other players.
If he was terran, he would still find ways to outmultitask out harass opponents and macro like a beast.
Hes just on more screens at the same time.
You terran players are like martyr who think any time a terran player does well ( Maru, byun, innovation, mvp, teaja ..etc) its because hes a god and is 1000 times better than others while playing with worst race.
Meanwhile, If the top player is Serral and is zerg, its because its the race.
News flash, Serral has more raw skills than any other player ever in the history of the game. He doesnt rely on gimmicks or strong all-ins or imbalanced era to win, he relies on better macro, more screen per minute, and out multitasking his opponents by making less mistakes and provoking more mistakes.
This terran circle jerk victim complex has to end. Terran is the strongest its ever been, foreign terrans just arent as good as zerg players, get over yourselves.
You could make zerg super underpowered and Serral would still win fairly often because hes just way better than his opponents, and with a pool of 30 players, most games are decided by skills and not balance. Maybe it's because he's not the only Zerg having so much success lately and there are 4 Zergs at the moment which are almost unbeatable by other races (or at least there were on the old patch - Dark and Rogue haven't played since then) Are they all just better than the best T/P players? I think it's undeniable that Zerg has been very favored almost the entire year
I'd say that the last patch was pretty favorable for Zerg, but before that, not really. And even if a zerg at the end won, the Ro8 of international tournaments and even wcs stops were pretty much balanced in numbers with a fair distribution of races. If Serral and Reynor are the 2 zerg out of 8 players to reach the Ro8 and than they costantly reach the finals or eliminate each other before, yeah, I'd say they were the best players in that tournament. If in GSL season 2 Dark and soO were the only 2 zergs in the Ro8, with Dark being the only one in Ro4 with 3 Protoss, and he won, yeah, I'd say he's been the better player there. It would be unreasonable to think that tournament winners should always vary in race otherwise there's a balance issue.
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2019
Serral is 264–82 (76.30%) in games and 110–14 (88.71%) in matches.
- Serral is 104–34 (75.36%) in games and 41–5 (89.13%) in matches vs Zerg
- Serral is 83–21 (79.81%) in games and 40–5 (88.89%) in matches vs Protoss
- Serral is 77–27 (74.04%) in games and 29–4 (87.88%) in matches vs Terran
Serral is 65–29 (69.15%) in games and 23–7 (76.67%) in matches vs Koreans
- Serral is 21–6 (77.78%) in games and 8–1 (88.89%) in matches vs Korean Zerg (soO, Dark, Rogue, Ragnarok, Solar)
- Serral is 21–8 (72.41%) in games and 8–3 (72.73%) in matches vs Korean Protoss (Stats, Zest, Trap, Classic)
- Serral is 23–15 (60.53%) in games and 7–3 (70.00%) in matches vs Korean Terran (INnoVation, TY, GuMiho)
Serral is 199–53 (78.97%) in games and 87–7 (92.55%) in matches vs Foreigners
- Serral is 83–28 (74.77%) in games and 33–4 (89.19%) in matches vs Foreigner Zerg
- Serral is 62–13 (82.67%) in games and 32–2 (94.12%) in matches vs Foreigner Protoss
- Serral is 54–12 (81.82%) in games and 22–1 (95.65%) in matches vs Foreigner Terran
Statistics vs Zerg are particularly interesting as we can just ignore all real or imagined imbalance issues from considerations, and Reynor being the main culprit for so "ridiculously low" winning percentages vs Euro-Zergs!
+ Few tournament wins and stuff.
A Good Year.
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Northern Ireland23052 Posts
On December 11 2019 05:30 UnLarva wrote:
2019
Serral is 264–82 (76.30%) in games and 110–14 (88.71%) in matches.
- Serral is 104–34 (75.36%) in games and 41–5 (89.13%) in matches vs Zerg
- Serral is 83–21 (79.81%) in games and 40–5 (88.89%) in matches vs Protoss
- Serral is 77–27 (74.04%) in games and 29–4 (87.88%) in matches vs Terran
Serral is 65–29 (69.15%) in games and 23–7 (76.67%) in matches vs Koreans
- Serral is 21–6 (77.78%) in games and 8–1 (88.89%) in matches vs Korean Zerg (soO, Dark, Rogue, Ragnarok, Solar)
- Serral is 21–8 (72.41%) in games and 8–3 (72.73%) in matches vs Korean Protoss (Stats, Zest, Trap, Classic)
- Serral is 23–15 (60.53%) in games and 7–3 (70.00%) in matches vs Korean Terran (INnoVation, TY, GuMiho)
Serral is 199–53 (78.97%) in games and 87–7 (92.55%) in matches vs Foreigners
- Serral is 83–28 (74.77%) in games and 33–4 (89.19%) in matches vs Foreigner Zerg
- Serral is 62–13 (82.67%) in games and 32–2 (94.12%) in matches vs Foreigner Protoss
- Serral is 54–12 (81.82%) in games and 22–1 (95.65%) in matches vs Foreigner Terran
Statistics vs Zerg are particularly interesting as we can just ignore all real or imagined imbalance issues from considerations, and Reynor being the main culprit for so "ridiculously low" winning percentages vs Euro-Zergs!
+ Few tournament wins and stuff.
A Good Year.
Pretty nice set of numbers to have
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In other words. How favored race Zerg may or may have not been during year 2019, it doesn't matter in the light of Serral's statistics as they show that his preferable match up was ZvZ in which he also played proportionally more games against on average higher quality players.
If there was IMBA favoring Zerg we can only claim that Serral benefited from it indirectly by having more than his fair share of Zergs as his opponents. Such imbalance doesn't impact to his ZvZ match up sample anyway directly, particularly when considering he played large part his matches against the best Zergs of both worlds, achieving pretty insane stats:
104–34 (75.36%) in games and 41–5 (89.13%) in matches vs Zerg
Also, in comparison to year 2018,
Serral was 144–38 (79.12%) in games and 56–7 (88.89%) in matches vs Zerg
Serral was 17–6 (73.91%) in games and 7–2 (77.78%) in matches vs Korean Zerg
Serral was 127–32 (79.87%) in games and 49–5 (90.74%) in matches vs Foreigner Zerg
and as we can see his overall level in that match up has been consistently good. 2018 was not considered advantageous for Zerg, balance-wise. Serral was dramatically over-representing whole Zerg race at least when it came to winning tournaments.
Its already very bad excuse/troll/joke to mix Serral and Zerg Imba (real or imaginary). Sample of Serral's efforts is already enough big versus Zerg alone that statistically its impossible put it only to luck, or not recognizing the Ultimate SC2 Talent as he appears.
Let's see how many years it takes from Serral to rise to the top10 in TL.net's The GOAT poll. :D
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On December 11 2019 05:30 UnLarva wrote:
2019
Serral is 264–82 (76.30%) in games and 110–14 (88.71%) in matches.
- Serral is 104–34 (75.36%) in games and 41–5 (89.13%) in matches vs Zerg
- Serral is 83–21 (79.81%) in games and 40–5 (88.89%) in matches vs Protoss
- Serral is 77–27 (74.04%) in games and 29–4 (87.88%) in matches vs Terran
Serral is 65–29 (69.15%) in games and 23–7 (76.67%) in matches vs Koreans
- Serral is 21–6 (77.78%) in games and 8–1 (88.89%) in matches vs Korean Zerg (soO, Dark, Rogue, Ragnarok, Solar)
- Serral is 21–8 (72.41%) in games and 8–3 (72.73%) in matches vs Korean Protoss (Stats, Zest, Trap, Classic)
- Serral is 23–15 (60.53%) in games and 7–3 (70.00%) in matches vs Korean Terran (INnoVation, TY, GuMiho)
Serral is 199–53 (78.97%) in games and 87–7 (92.55%) in matches vs Foreigners
- Serral is 83–28 (74.77%) in games and 33–4 (89.19%) in matches vs Foreigner Zerg
- Serral is 62–13 (82.67%) in games and 32–2 (94.12%) in matches vs Foreigner Protoss
- Serral is 54–12 (81.82%) in games and 22–1 (95.65%) in matches vs Foreigner Terran
Statistics vs Zerg are particularly interesting as we can just ignore all real or imagined imbalance issues from considerations, and Reynor being the main culprit for so "ridiculously low" winning percentages vs Euro-Zergs!
+ Few tournament wins and stuff.
A Good Year.
So...nerf Serral when? Seems like a very imbalanced race, this Serral. Probably should ban this man from using any popularly perceived OP unit...but that probably won't make much of a difference, as he'll just find another way to win, and another way to make his detractors cry.
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On December 11 2019 07:35 tigon_ridge wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2019 05:30 UnLarva wrote:
2019
Serral is 264–82 (76.30%) in games and 110–14 (88.71%) in matches.
- Serral is 104–34 (75.36%) in games and 41–5 (89.13%) in matches vs Zerg
- Serral is 83–21 (79.81%) in games and 40–5 (88.89%) in matches vs Protoss
- Serral is 77–27 (74.04%) in games and 29–4 (87.88%) in matches vs Terran
Serral is 65–29 (69.15%) in games and 23–7 (76.67%) in matches vs Koreans
- Serral is 21–6 (77.78%) in games and 8–1 (88.89%) in matches vs Korean Zerg (soO, Dark, Rogue, Ragnarok, Solar)
- Serral is 21–8 (72.41%) in games and 8–3 (72.73%) in matches vs Korean Protoss (Stats, Zest, Trap, Classic)
- Serral is 23–15 (60.53%) in games and 7–3 (70.00%) in matches vs Korean Terran (INnoVation, TY, GuMiho)
Serral is 199–53 (78.97%) in games and 87–7 (92.55%) in matches vs Foreigners
- Serral is 83–28 (74.77%) in games and 33–4 (89.19%) in matches vs Foreigner Zerg
- Serral is 62–13 (82.67%) in games and 32–2 (94.12%) in matches vs Foreigner Protoss
- Serral is 54–12 (81.82%) in games and 22–1 (95.65%) in matches vs Foreigner Terran
Statistics vs Zerg are particularly interesting as we can just ignore all real or imagined imbalance issues from considerations, and Reynor being the main culprit for so "ridiculously low" winning percentages vs Euro-Zergs!
+ Few tournament wins and stuff.
A Good Year. So...nerf Serral when? Seems like a very imbalanced race, this Serral. Probably should ban this man from using any popularly perceived OP unit...but that probably won't make much of a difference, as he'll just find another way to win, and another way to make his detractors cry.
Sure. For saving the game from Serral, we need:
- More foreign zergs, at least of Reynor level quality. More Korean zergs upgraded with Euro-zerg modus operandi (someone can claim these upgrades were already in working with full effect in The Blizzcon)
- More Stats. Simply more then better. Use cloning if nothing else helps
- Korean Terran invasion to EU, NA, and other continents not Korea, Maru as Supreme Commander to educate foreign Terrans in their duties
On average very chill, cool, and level headed top level streaming Euro-Zergs (and Scarlett) make it IMBA easy to get more newcomers to the swarm in these parts of the world, and it seems unlikely that any rabid changes can happen without external aid for needs to get that balanced someway...
For example, by lifting the region lock. What ever necessary for preventing Serral's ascension to TL.Net's GOAT polls. :D
But, whatever will ever happen, there will always be a crying chorus out there, with high statistical certainty a Terran chorus.
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Another angle.
Use 12-Gauge scatter gun to a Premier/Major tournament season of 200+ top level professional SC2 games season target assuming 88% hit percentage of pellets in matches, noting that previous hit percentage increase likelihood of skipping various qualifiers and getting some direct invitations...
How many time you need to shoot the gun that you get one full season without a single tournament win?
Not going to do the math, but if Serral's form of last few years are anyway indicative for a future... LMAO!
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Northern Ireland23052 Posts
On December 11 2019 09:05 UnLarva wrote:
Another angle.
Use 12-Gauge scatter gun to a Premier/Major tournament season of 200+ top level professional SC2 games season target assuming 88% hit percentage of pellets in matches, noting that previous hit percentage increase likelihood of skipping various qualifiers and getting some direct invitations...
How many time you need to shoot the gun that you get one full season without a single tournament win?
Not going to do the math, but if Serral's form of last few years are anyway indicative for a future... LMAO!
But it’s a weak era you biased Serral fan!
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On December 11 2019 09:06 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2019 09:05 UnLarva wrote:
Another angle.
Use 12-Gauge scatter gun to a Premier/Major tournament season of 200+ top level professional SC2 games season target assuming 88% hit percentage of pellets in matches, noting that previous hit percentage increase likelihood of skipping various qualifiers and getting some direct invitations...
How many time you need to shoot the gun that you get one full season without a single tournament win?
Not going to do the math, but if Serral's form of last few years are anyway indicative for a future... LMAO! But it’s a weak era you biased Serral fan!
I know and I admit I'm biased, that's why I play now with these simple stats.
That is also why I just refer to ALL (and loathed) 3rd party betting sites and their offers during this year 2019 as they certainly know how to handle with statistics,
Serral's overall expected success rate was that high that there was no point what so ever to put anything for Serral in schemes Serral alone, not at least if you're "serious" gambler playing with big money, unless you did some long term bets at the start of the year.
And if you play with beans and small bets, even less.
Reynor proved to be a lot more lucrative. (Not going to demonstrate that with any links as it would be both bad conduct and against the code, we need only remember that betting companies do their business regardless, and for that they need to be aware of chances and statistics.)
I didn't put a single cent for Serral or anybody else, just demonstrating another angle to the topic.
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Innovation said at the interview he was scared of Serral.
Read it again.
Innovation. Verbalized. Scare. Of Serral.
Serral GOAT. Nuffsaid.
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On December 11 2019 10:07 Locutos wrote:
Innovation said at the interview he was scared of Serral.
Read it again.
Innovation. Verbalized. Scare. Of Serral.
Serral GOAT. Nuffsaid.
Innovation is scared of any top Zerg with the current state of the game.
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Serral is amazing, but can we admit the maps are bonkers for zerg?
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On December 11 2019 03:58 Charoisaur wrote:
Maybe it's because he's not the only Zerg having so much success lately and there are 4 Zergs at the moment which are almost unbeatable by other races (or at least there were on the old patch - Dark and Rogue haven't played since then)
Are they all just better than the best T/P players?
I think it's undeniable that Zerg has been very favored almost the entire year
Yesterday Rogue lost vs Dear in a Olimoleague. No idea what Dark is up to
On December 11 2019 11:52 tskarzyn wrote:
Serral is amazing, but can we admit the maps are bonkers for zerg?
New maps really should be smaller and a bit narrower
On December 11 2019 08:17 UnLarva wrote:
For example, by lifting the region lock. What ever necessary for preventing Serral's ascension to TL.Net's GOAT polls. :D
I think even deacon and Charoisaur have meanwhile admitted that this Serral kid is kinda decent at Starcraft 
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@ Harris1st
If Serral has managed to cause a change in minds of Deacon and Chairosaur, that's f*ing awesome great, as it would be likely the hardest-to-achieve-and-unlock accomplishment of year 2019 for Serral, all things considered.
However, My rants (above) aimed onto much lower fields, I primarily attacked against a random guy saying and repeating: "Patch Zerg Serral", without any sarcasm added.
Maybe those comments were strawman arguments and aimed to a void, but the point was made and it is valid. That Patch-zerg stance cannot hold in any perceivable scenarios already happened, and by definition of Patch-[insert race here] never there after with Serral. Still, relatively speaking Serral was THE Patch of the Game, and his overall competitive stats back that up. In 2019 he just continue patching things up.
Things like Serral simply do not happen in any competitive sport. Still they happened.
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On December 11 2019 05:30 UnLarva wrote:
2019
Serral is 264–82 (76.30%) in games and 110–14 (88.71%) in matches.
- Serral is 104–34 (75.36%) in games and 41–5 (89.13%) in matches vs Zerg
- Serral is 83–21 (79.81%) in games and 40–5 (88.89%) in matches vs Protoss
- Serral is 77–27 (74.04%) in games and 29–4 (87.88%) in matches vs Terran
Serral is 65–29 (69.15%) in games and 23–7 (76.67%) in matches vs Koreans
- Serral is 21–6 (77.78%) in games and 8–1 (88.89%) in matches vs Korean Zerg (soO, Dark, Rogue, Ragnarok, Solar)
- Serral is 21–8 (72.41%) in games and 8–3 (72.73%) in matches vs Korean Protoss (Stats, Zest, Trap, Classic)
- Serral is 23–15 (60.53%) in games and 7–3 (70.00%) in matches vs Korean Terran (INnoVation, TY, GuMiho)
Serral is 199–53 (78.97%) in games and 87–7 (92.55%) in matches vs Foreigners
- Serral is 83–28 (74.77%) in games and 33–4 (89.19%) in matches vs Foreigner Zerg
- Serral is 62–13 (82.67%) in games and 32–2 (94.12%) in matches vs Foreigner Protoss
- Serral is 54–12 (81.82%) in games and 22–1 (95.65%) in matches vs Foreigner Terran
Statistics vs Zerg are particularly interesting as we can just ignore all real or imagined imbalance issues from considerations, and Reynor being the main culprit for so "ridiculously low" winning percentages vs Euro-Zergs!
+ Few tournament wins and stuff.
A Good Year.
Wow, that Stats are looking super impressive.
Who were the foreigners taking matches of Serral?
I can recall Reynor (WCS Winter, WCS Summer, BlizzCon), Heromarine (WCS Winter), Goblin (NW19) but there s one Protoss missing.
Edit: The Protoss I missed was Neeb at WESG. And Reynor beat Serral twice at WCS Winter
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On December 12 2019 05:57 dbRic1203 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2019 05:30 UnLarva wrote:
2019
Serral is 264–82 (76.30%) in games and 110–14 (88.71%) in matches.
- Serral is 104–34 (75.36%) in games and 41–5 (89.13%) in matches vs Zerg
- Serral is 83–21 (79.81%) in games and 40–5 (88.89%) in matches vs Protoss
- Serral is 77–27 (74.04%) in games and 29–4 (87.88%) in matches vs Terran
Serral is 65–29 (69.15%) in games and 23–7 (76.67%) in matches vs Koreans
- Serral is 21–6 (77.78%) in games and 8–1 (88.89%) in matches vs Korean Zerg (soO, Dark, Rogue, Ragnarok, Solar)
- Serral is 21–8 (72.41%) in games and 8–3 (72.73%) in matches vs Korean Protoss (Stats, Zest, Trap, Classic)
- Serral is 23–15 (60.53%) in games and 7–3 (70.00%) in matches vs Korean Terran (INnoVation, TY, GuMiho)
Serral is 199–53 (78.97%) in games and 87–7 (92.55%) in matches vs Foreigners
- Serral is 83–28 (74.77%) in games and 33–4 (89.19%) in matches vs Foreigner Zerg
- Serral is 62–13 (82.67%) in games and 32–2 (94.12%) in matches vs Foreigner Protoss
- Serral is 54–12 (81.82%) in games and 22–1 (95.65%) in matches vs Foreigner Terran
Statistics vs Zerg are particularly interesting as we can just ignore all real or imagined imbalance issues from considerations, and Reynor being the main culprit for so "ridiculously low" winning percentages vs Euro-Zergs!
+ Few tournament wins and stuff.
A Good Year. Wow, that Stats are looking super impressive. Who were the foreigners taking matches of Serral? I can recall Reynor (WCS Winter, WCS Summer, BlizzCon), Heromarine (WCS Winter), Goblin (NW19) but there s one Protoss missing. Edit: The Protoss I missed was Neeb at WESG. And Reynor beat Serral twice at WCS Winter
Goblin can frame that GG to his wall. Its the outlier happening in this all.hugging outlierism with Serral.
I trust Aligulac's mathematical and statistical soundness, usually checking happenings from there first. Hardcore default settings for to improve a rating has not hindered Serral to a slightest list after list after list after list...
It has been far above and beyond what can be reasonably expected from anybody. Forget absolute numbers, they mean little because of rating inflation, but look at to gaps between Serral and 2nd and 5th, or 10th of consecutive listings. It is insane.
Serral's rabid rise in the Aligulac's HOF is amazing, considering he surpassed the 10000 points milestone only about a year ago.
However I try look to his statistics, I always find only
A) Statistical outlier
B) Consistency
C) Very small deviation between peak and low performances
Something that cannot "normally" mutually co-exist over any enough long time period and enough big sample.
And here he still is, and still going on, and flying like Neo of Matrix.
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On December 12 2019 08:06 UnLarva wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2019 05:57 dbRic1203 wrote:On December 11 2019 05:30 UnLarva wrote:
2019
Serral is 264–82 (76.30%) in games and 110–14 (88.71%) in matches.
- Serral is 104–34 (75.36%) in games and 41–5 (89.13%) in matches vs Zerg
- Serral is 83–21 (79.81%) in games and 40–5 (88.89%) in matches vs Protoss
- Serral is 77–27 (74.04%) in games and 29–4 (87.88%) in matches vs Terran
Serral is 65–29 (69.15%) in games and 23–7 (76.67%) in matches vs Koreans
- Serral is 21–6 (77.78%) in games and 8–1 (88.89%) in matches vs Korean Zerg (soO, Dark, Rogue, Ragnarok, Solar)
- Serral is 21–8 (72.41%) in games and 8–3 (72.73%) in matches vs Korean Protoss (Stats, Zest, Trap, Classic)
- Serral is 23–15 (60.53%) in games and 7–3 (70.00%) in matches vs Korean Terran (INnoVation, TY, GuMiho)
Serral is 199–53 (78.97%) in games and 87–7 (92.55%) in matches vs Foreigners
- Serral is 83–28 (74.77%) in games and 33–4 (89.19%) in matches vs Foreigner Zerg
- Serral is 62–13 (82.67%) in games and 32–2 (94.12%) in matches vs Foreigner Protoss
- Serral is 54–12 (81.82%) in games and 22–1 (95.65%) in matches vs Foreigner Terran
Statistics vs Zerg are particularly interesting as we can just ignore all real or imagined imbalance issues from considerations, and Reynor being the main culprit for so "ridiculously low" winning percentages vs Euro-Zergs!
+ Few tournament wins and stuff.
A Good Year. Wow, that Stats are looking super impressive. Who were the foreigners taking matches of Serral? I can recall Reynor (WCS Winter, WCS Summer, BlizzCon), Heromarine (WCS Winter), Goblin (NW19) but there s one Protoss missing. Edit: The Protoss I missed was Neeb at WESG. And Reynor beat Serral twice at WCS Winter Goblin can frame that GG to his wall. Its the outlier happening in this all.hugging outlierism with Serral. I trust Aligulac's mathematical and statistical soundness, usually checking happenings from there first. Hardcore default settings for to improve a rating has not hindered Serral to a slightest list after list after list after list... It has been far above and beyond what can be reasonably expected from anybody. Forget absolute numbers, they mean little because of rating inflation, but look at to gaps between Serral and 2nd and 5th, or 10th of consecutive listings. It is insane. Serral's rabid rise in the Aligulac's HOF is amazing, considering he surpassed the 10000 points milestone only about a year ago. However I try look to his statistics, I always find only A) Statistical outlier B) Consistency C) Very small deviation between peak and low performances Something that cannot "normally" mutually co-exist over any enough long time period and enough big sample. And here he still is, and still going on, and flying like Neo of Matrix.
I wouldn t call Goblins game a statistical outlier, it was a great Canonrush into a wired mass phoenix play, that was unorthodox enough, that even Serral couldn t junge how to defend it.
He played it super save, had spotter links all over the map, but just not enough queens to defend in the end.
If that would have been anything else than a Bo1 no one would even remember it now, thoug
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