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wherebugsgo
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wherebugsgo
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On May 03 2019 08:30 Grackaroni wrote: I got a good feel from him earlier when he was spamming posts but he needs to pick up his game too. Sheeping his vote based on Rayn is shitty. you saw he claimed vig? | ||
Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
Yeah I think that was similar to Rayn claiming veteran. People do a lot of things like that at night these days. | ||
wherebugsgo
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On May 03 2019 08:32 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah I think that was similar to Rayn claiming veteran. People do a lot of things like that at night these days. | ||
Grackaroni
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If he's actually vig then he can claim it and he was probably roleblocked shooting FF, but it makes no sense to claim before shooting as the actual vig when you will just get roleblocked if you aren't shooting town. | ||
wherebugsgo
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On May 03 2019 08:35 Grackaroni wrote: lmao. If he's actually vig then he can claim it and he was probably roleblocked shooting FF, but it makes no sense to claim before shooting as the actual vig when you will just get roleblocked if you aren't shooting town. agreed, but I've witnessed people do far dumber. What are your thoughts on Pandain? And why do you townread BC? | ||
wherebugsgo
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On May 03 2019 05:52 Alakaslam wrote: WAS RAYN ON THE RIGHT TRACK??!? you here? have you caught up on the game? | ||
Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
BC's entry feels really townie to me. | ||
wherebugsgo
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I've read through a bit of Pandain's early game from Fibonacci and I think it matches well here, both in tone and in terms of what he tried to get done in both games. On tone, he's always really hedgy/self-aware and I didn't see this in some scum games I read, although those scum games are old, AFAIK. Emphasis mine: On April 07 2019 20:29 Pandain wrote: I'm actually happy I was busy because the discussion on me helped make the thread alive and was very useful. I mean, I'm going to be honest, I'm 100% a lurker at this point with only a short paragraph as a post. This is my fault for not explaining, I should have explained more. It's not at all that they claimed they have win conditions which make me think rayne and TW are town. It's what they posted that demonstrates a town mentality. It's not the win condition part but rather the above bolded sentence. It strikes me as a townie who has an actual role that he's seriously thinking about and contemplating. I would actually agree that if you have an alternate win condition you're likely not mafia (but maybe! not certain at all!). The fact that this post seems very genuine makes me think he's telling the truth. Same reasoning for this post. If I was mafia I don't think I would be thinking about my role pm in this way. If I was mafia maybe I write "haha my role pm is weird" or "i have win condition" or speculate about the setup. But the ambiguity of this post and the way he wrote about it "i wonder if this guy in my role pm is mafia" seems a little bit out of left park for mafia. Typing it out makes it seem like a bit of a crapshoot but to be honest that's all day one anyway. All of these reads will change as days actually progress, but this is what I feel right now. This all is hard to explain but it's what I feel. I hope it made some sense to some people. He also talks about mindset contradictions like he does in this game. This might not be a big tell but IMO it's rare that scum will focus on behaviour like that. On April 07 2019 20:33 Pandain wrote: I'm going to vote Mig. I don't have the hours for this day cycle to examine absolutely everyone (though I will go through MZ and damdred and palmar based on discussion), but Mig really stood out to me. Like other's said - an extremely safe post. Not bad in of itself but not good either. Then this seemed extremely contradictory. Mig literally has done nothing this game except the above empty post and ask a couple people some questions. I think whenever someone is an obvious mindset contradiction like this it reeks of mafia. Then, compare how his vote aligns with his thoughts as written in the thread. In this game as well, Pandain often went on about how he was fine with Jock being the lynch but he was pursuing other targets. He did that there as well: On April 07 2019 22:30 Pandain wrote: I just read MZ. I agree it looks contradictory. I don't think it's a bad lynch but I'll keep my vote on Mig for the time being. From that point he tried to get a last minute wagon going and failed (?) There aren't many posts if any after that worth reading because the game was themed and it becomes too setup-focused. I agree that there's probably not much useful signal beyond the early game. Since we seem to have come to opposite conclusions, why? Do you think because you were scum last game your opinion was a bit tainted by the fact that you had more info than you should've? I'm just not seeing why he doesn't look similar here to you. | ||
VisceraEyes
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The fact that you found the word "contradictory" in both filters simply isn't interesting to me. Yes, obviously it's possible that my view was tainted because I had information, but I'm discussing objective observations made when looking at the two filters in /this/ game where I'm town. I really don't want to quote wall but I will bugs, I'll fucking do it. And yes, I'm aware that there's going to be a fair amount of confirmation bias going forward due to my read of him and then him coming in with that BULLSHIT after the day post. Whatever I'll turn in my townie card if I'm wrong. | ||
wherebugsgo
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On May 02 2019 06:05 Fecalfeast wrote: I accept the shot on me as I'm not a role I will play this next phase though i swear let's play, FF. Who's scum? You can assume both me and HF are town for this exercise. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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On May 03 2019 09:34 VisceraEyes wrote: I explained it before - he was active in trying to respond to people and actively questioning people last game, it's littered through his filter there, and it's lacking here. The fact that you found the word "contradictory" in both filters simply isn't interesting to me. Yes, obviously it's possible that my view was tainted because I had information, but I'm discussing objective observations made when looking at the two filters in /this/ game where I'm town. I really don't want to quote wall but I will bugs, I'll fucking do it. And yes, I'm aware that there's going to be a fair amount of confirmation bias going forward due to my read of him and then him coming in with that BULLSHIT after the day post. Whatever I'll turn in my townie card if I'm wrong. fair enough, I agree that Pandain hasn't actually done much of use in this game, even though a lot of the hedging is due to apparently not having enough info. I personally didn't read into the absence much because the game is low activity already and it's hard to just be like "oh yeah I don't believe the RL reasons you provided for not being here" Do you think he's the best lynch? What are the alternatives on your mind? | ||
Meapak_Ziphh
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On May 03 2019 08:14 wherebugsgo wrote: from my standpoint and the knowledge I have this is a post that manages to say absolutely nothing. "I was liking what HF posted" -> cool, if you're scum you already have the knowledge that HF is town "VE is almost always town" why? slides into hypothetical about VE if I flip scum -> knows that this will never happen so it's a completely empty thing to say MZ is setting up a lynch on Pandain after I flip here with this post. Back when VE started playing, I pushed for his mislynch a lot for behavior that he's displaying right now, after I played with him more I realized that's just how he plays town. So I have a town read on him. I hated Pandain's post flip stuff as we've already been over, however we were in the middle of discussing you vs HF when VE popped in with the posts about Pandain. I even agree with VE on the content there, however if you flip scum (which I'm fairly sure you will) it looks like VE made an out of character chainsaw defense of you before HF claimed. However its your last little line which caught my attention, what do you mean by setting up a lynch? First off I have zero thread pull so suggesting I'm going to get someone lynched is hysterical. Secondly, you have talked about Pandain probably more than any other player in this game, you've gone from town reading him, to calling him scum, to calling him town, to listing him in your "possibles" category and with your last post you seem completely confused with him. All that is to say, why do you have an issue with me reading Pandain as scummy when you have literally done that twice or three times yourself? | ||
VisceraEyes
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On May 03 2019 09:37 wherebugsgo wrote: fair enough, I agree that Pandain hasn't actually done much of use in this game, even though a lot of the hedging is due to apparently not having enough info. I personally didn't read into the absence much because the game is low activity already and it's hard to just be like "oh yeah I don't believe the RL reasons you provided for not being here" Do you think he's the best lynch? What are the alternatives on your mind? Strictly speaking you're the best lynch. | ||
wherebugsgo
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COME ON YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN VE LOL | ||
Meapak_Ziphh
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On May 03 2019 04:13 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm thinking Pandain/Vivax/killsomelurkers currently. It's hard for me to give a shit about finding "the last" mafia when we've got 2 lynches in the works and everything could change. Pandain my main suspicion, I'm trusting people on Vivax and given my druthers I'd remove MZ and FF before starting in on lurkers. I changed my mind on you VE, there's now no universe in which I think you're chainsawing Bugs. I also am more certain you're right about Pandain as well. Who are you liking for scumlurkers (aside from me since I've seen you throw my name around a few times). | ||
Fecalfeast
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On May 03 2019 09:34 wherebugsgo wrote: let's play, FF. Who's scum? You can assume both me and HF are town for this exercise. Why would I assume you are town you've been red checked I'd probably say rels because he's mia and seeing that vivax was going to not play he probably screwed off himself | ||
VisceraEyes
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On May 03 2019 09:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Back when VE started playing, I pushed for his mislynch a lot for behavior that he's displaying right now, after I played with him more I realized that's just how he plays town. So I have a town read on him. I hated Pandain's post flip stuff as we've already been over, however we were in the middle of discussing you vs HF when VE popped in with the posts about Pandain. I even agree with VE on the content there, however if you flip scum (which I'm fairly sure you will) it looks like VE made an out of character chainsaw defense of you before HF claimed. However its your last little line which caught my attention, what do you mean by setting up a lynch? First off I have zero thread pull so suggesting I'm going to get someone lynched is hysterical. Secondly, you have talked about Pandain probably more than any other player in this game, you've gone from town reading him, to calling him scum, to calling him town, to listing him in your "possibles" category and with your last post you seem completely confused with him. All that is to say, why do you have an issue with me reading Pandain as scummy when you have literally done that twice or three times yourself? He just means in the dichotomy you're setting up where you're (wrongly) claiming I'm chainsaw defending bugs. From his perspective, when he flips town, anything you said about me and him being buddies and juggling chainsaws is meaningless and Pandain is the lynch, which you'd know if you're mafia... | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I was insufferable before, and I've been a paragon of towniness this game, so really, do tell. | ||
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