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On July 31 2018 02:45 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2018 00:47 Executer08 wrote:On July 30 2018 23:20 Fango wrote:On July 30 2018 20:54 imre wrote:
The fun side is that we get 9 possible finalist every WCS event. Serral + the 8 players on the other side of the bracket. As far as Blizzcon is concerned I don't think it can be worse than last years (Neeb got unlucky in my opinion, getting the worst possible group for him) and this time Serral might have a real shot. edit: to clarify, just because soO made the finals doesn't make him one of the best players at the event. He beat literally one korean to get there. herO, TY, INno, Rogue, and Dark were all better than him at that point imo. he beat the foreigners other koreans lost to. rogue lost to neeb; soO beat neeb (with his first try). stats and ty lost to special; soO beat special. he won his group unlike TY and rogue which put him in a position to dodge herO and inno in the ro8 and be placed in the korean light part of the bracket. saying he only beat one korean when other koreans lost to foreigners he beat is disingenuous and pure bias. he did play better / less flawed than those other koreans and their general form at the time has nothing to do with how they played at the event itself. Except Neeb and SpeCial winning their matches were the kind of results that happen 1/5 times. They were upsets for a reason. They weren't considered better players than TY or Rogue, who would win that match maybe 4/5 times and played at a higher level in all their other matches. If you don't believe me just go back and watch the games. SpeCial played his typical ro32 level against soO and lost. Neeb didn't look that great either. So why is it so impressive that soO beat them? soO got lucky that he faced mostly opponents who got their by upsets. It doesn't matter that they were foreigners or won suprise matches in the ro16, they simply weren't as good overall as herO, TY, INno, Dark, Rogue etc.
I guess the things that do actually happen have very little significance compared to what Fango thinks should have happened.
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On July 31 2018 03:57 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2018 20:47 brickrd wrote:On July 30 2018 20:31 Waxangel wrote:Best article of all time?  Jokes aside, this is kind of how I thought about StarCraft II when I was a peak Korean-elitist. This article might resonate with TL.net's forum regulars, but I think 'stop telling people not to have fun' would also be an appropriate reaction XD. personally i don't always understand why to some people it would be more fun to watch Maru vs Rogue on Catalyst every single game than ever see a foreigner because of M E C H A N I C S, but if that's what makes the game fun for them i say more power to them! Why is the game supposed to become more interesting when the players playing it happen to be white?
Has is white?
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On July 31 2018 03:57 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2018 20:47 brickrd wrote:On July 30 2018 20:31 Waxangel wrote:Best article of all time? Jokes aside, this is kind of how I thought about StarCraft II when I was a peak Korean-elitist. This article might resonate with TL.net's forum regulars, but I think 'stop telling people not to have fun' would also be an appropriate reaction XD. personally i don't always understand why to some people it would be more fun to watch Maru vs Rogue on Catalyst every single game than ever see a foreigner because of M E C H A N I C S, but if that's what makes the game fun for them i say more power to them! Why is the game supposed to become more interesting when the players playing it happen to be white? For me there's no difference if foreigners or koreans are playing I'm here for the games. I don't always understand why to some people it would be more fun watching Uthermal vs Snute on Catalyst every single game than ever see a korean because of W H I T E P E O P L E, but if that's what makes the game fun for them i say more power to them!
you're writing things that i did not say. i did not say "the game is supposed to be more interesting when players are white," nor did i say that i prefer "every game to be foreigners." your insinuations of racism are a total non-sequitur and show that you're either not paying attention to what i'm saying or trying to trollbait.
what i'm saying is that personal connection to players and storylines matter to a great deal of sports fans whether you're watching starcraft, football, baseball or anything else. since foreigners are considered weaker (and are in fact weaker), many people enjoy cheering for them as underdogs, or on a more simple level are able to enjoy watching skillful players even if they're "only" in the top 1% instead of the top 0.1% (or whatever the real numbers are). the concept of cheering for underdogs (less-likely winners) has existed as long as storytelling and sport have existed. if you cannot reconcile this concept without accusing people of racism then i suggest you do some further research, as i don't think it's fair to field such serious accusations simply because i posted that i enjoy watching foreign starcraft. i have watched tournaments on almost every level including bronze, gold, master, GM, foreigner and korean. sometimes they're boring and sometimes they're not.
On July 31 2018 04:02 207aicila wrote:
Yeah lol the game is the game and shit like interviews and ceremonies is completely separate.
If you find the actual matches more interesting just because the person playing is an English-speaker, you should probably get your head checked out. I swear it's always the same people making this bullshit argument too, I wish staff would just ban their racist ass.
i have no idea what you are talking about? i have never posted anywhere that "games are more interesting because the players speak english" as i don't think or feel that way at all. you're either confusing me for someone else or just trying to provoke bad faith arguments
it's extremely irritating that i am unable to post an opinion as simple as "people who exclusively enjoy korean league level starcraft are different from me and i can't relate to them" without multiple people trying to reignite an eight-year-old clusterfuck argument about player race which i wasn't referencing or addressing in any way.
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On July 31 2018 04:42 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2018 03:57 Charoisaur wrote:On July 30 2018 20:47 brickrd wrote:On July 30 2018 20:31 Waxangel wrote:Best article of all time? Jokes aside, this is kind of how I thought about StarCraft II when I was a peak Korean-elitist. This article might resonate with TL.net's forum regulars, but I think 'stop telling people not to have fun' would also be an appropriate reaction XD. personally i don't always understand why to some people it would be more fun to watch Maru vs Rogue on Catalyst every single game than ever see a foreigner because of M E C H A N I C S, but if that's what makes the game fun for them i say more power to them! Why is the game supposed to become more interesting when the players playing it happen to be white? Has is white?
Per the rules of WCS we can consider him white enough™
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On July 31 2018 04:44 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2018 03:57 Charoisaur wrote:On July 30 2018 20:47 brickrd wrote:On July 30 2018 20:31 Waxangel wrote:Best article of all time? Jokes aside, this is kind of how I thought about StarCraft II when I was a peak Korean-elitist. This article might resonate with TL.net's forum regulars, but I think 'stop telling people not to have fun' would also be an appropriate reaction XD. personally i don't always understand why to some people it would be more fun to watch Maru vs Rogue on Catalyst every single game than ever see a foreigner because of M E C H A N I C S, but if that's what makes the game fun for them i say more power to them! Why is the game supposed to become more interesting when the players playing it happen to be white? For me there's no difference if foreigners or koreans are playing I'm here for the games. I don't always understand why to some people it would be more fun watching Uthermal vs Snute on Catalyst every single game than ever see a korean because of W H I T E P E O P L E, but if that's what makes the game fun for them i say more power to them! you're writing things that i did not say. i did not say "the game is supposed to be more interesting when players are white," nor did i say that i prefer "every game to be foreigners." your insinuations of racism are a total non-sequitur and show that you're either not paying attention to what i'm saying or trying to trollbait. what i'm saying is that personal connection to players and storylines matter to a great deal of sports fans whether you're watching starcraft, football, baseball or anything else. since foreigners are considered weaker (and are in fact weaker), many people enjoy cheering for them as underdogs, or on a more simple level are able to enjoy watching skillful players even if they're "only" in the top 1% instead of the top 0.1% (or whatever the real numbers are). the concept of cheering for underdogs (less-likely winners) has existed as long as storytelling and sport have existed. if you cannot reconcile this concept without accusing people of racism then i suggest you do some further research, as i don't think it's fair to field such serious accusations simply because i posted that i enjoy watching foreign starcraft. i have watched tournaments on almost every level including bronze, gold, master, GM, foreigner and korean. sometimes they're boring and sometimes they're not. Show nested quote +On July 31 2018 04:02 207aicila wrote:
Yeah lol the game is the game and shit like interviews and ceremonies is completely separate.
If you find the actual matches more interesting just because the person playing is an English-speaker, you should probably get your head checked out. I swear it's always the same people making this bullshit argument too, I wish staff would just ban their racist ass. i have no idea what you are talking about? i have never posted anywhere that "games are more interesting because the players speak english" as i don't think or feel that way at all. you're either confusing me for someone else or just trying to provoke bad faith arguments
You didn't just say you enjoy foreign starcraft. You said you don't understand why other people don't.
"Why do some people prefer watching higher skilled koreans (Maru vs Rogue) over watching foreigners?" - your words.
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On July 31 2018 04:58 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2018 04:44 brickrd wrote:On July 31 2018 03:57 Charoisaur wrote:On July 30 2018 20:47 brickrd wrote:On July 30 2018 20:31 Waxangel wrote:Best article of all time? Jokes aside, this is kind of how I thought about StarCraft II when I was a peak Korean-elitist. This article might resonate with TL.net's forum regulars, but I think 'stop telling people not to have fun' would also be an appropriate reaction XD. personally i don't always understand why to some people it would be more fun to watch Maru vs Rogue on Catalyst every single game than ever see a foreigner because of M E C H A N I C S, but if that's what makes the game fun for them i say more power to them! Why is the game supposed to become more interesting when the players playing it happen to be white? For me there's no difference if foreigners or koreans are playing I'm here for the games. I don't always understand why to some people it would be more fun watching Uthermal vs Snute on Catalyst every single game than ever see a korean because of W H I T E P E O P L E, but if that's what makes the game fun for them i say more power to them! you're writing things that i did not say. i did not say "the game is supposed to be more interesting when players are white," nor did i say that i prefer "every game to be foreigners." your insinuations of racism are a total non-sequitur and show that you're either not paying attention to what i'm saying or trying to trollbait. what i'm saying is that personal connection to players and storylines matter to a great deal of sports fans whether you're watching starcraft, football, baseball or anything else. since foreigners are considered weaker (and are in fact weaker), many people enjoy cheering for them as underdogs, or on a more simple level are able to enjoy watching skillful players even if they're "only" in the top 1% instead of the top 0.1% (or whatever the real numbers are). the concept of cheering for underdogs (less-likely winners) has existed as long as storytelling and sport have existed. if you cannot reconcile this concept without accusing people of racism then i suggest you do some further research, as i don't think it's fair to field such serious accusations simply because i posted that i enjoy watching foreign starcraft. i have watched tournaments on almost every level including bronze, gold, master, GM, foreigner and korean. sometimes they're boring and sometimes they're not. On July 31 2018 04:02 207aicila wrote:
Yeah lol the game is the game and shit like interviews and ceremonies is completely separate.
If you find the actual matches more interesting just because the person playing is an English-speaker, you should probably get your head checked out. I swear it's always the same people making this bullshit argument too, I wish staff would just ban their racist ass. i have no idea what you are talking about? i have never posted anywhere that "games are more interesting because the players speak english" as i don't think or feel that way at all. you're either confusing me for someone else or just trying to provoke bad faith arguments You didn't just say you enjoy foreign starcraft. You said you don't understand why other people don't. "Why do some people prefer watching higher skilled koreans (Maru vs Rogue) over watching foreigners" - your words.
those are not my words. it's bogglingly dishonest that you are claiming to quote my own words, which are on the previous page of this thread -- one click away -- and you didn't bother to simply copy and paste them as they appear. i mean, damn, dude, they're even in the box where you typed your reply, because my quote is still there. regardless, here are my words since you've misrepresented them:
"i don't always understand why to some people it would be more fun to watch Maru vs Rogue on Catalyst every single game than ever see a foreigner because of M E C H A N I C S"
those words do not state that i "don't understand why some people prefer watching higher skilled koreans," they state that i don't understand why some people exclusively enjoy only the very top level of starcraft 100% of the time. on a more subtle level i was also referencing fans who not only exclusively enjoy korean starcraft but also repeatedly and compulsively make hateful posts indicating that they look down on foreign starcraft and look down on people who watch it or support it. i know that you're a forum regular, so i shouldn't have to explain that to you. that kind of rhetoric is very common here. furthermore, what i said is that i do not personally understand something, which should not even have to be taken as an insult or criticism at all. again, when you read my words as they actually appear, they are quite clear: i stated that i do not personally understand something about how others approach SC2 viewership. can you explain how or why that is racist?
if you genuinely misread my words then i'm willing to drop the subject and call it a misunderstanding, but if you continue to lie about what i've written then i don't even know how to reply to you anymore. i'm still trying to wrap my head around you saying "your words" and then completely misquoting me
edit: since this is quickly becoming a derail, if you want to continue this you should probably PM me. i do not want to ruin a TL article thread with pages and pages of explaining and re-explaining my words
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Seems like I misunderstood you.
Still the way you phrased it with "only because of M E C H A N I C S" and the "why not watch foreigners instead" afterwards made it seem like foreigners have something that makes them more interesting to watch.
Anyway apologies for the accusations.
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I understand where you're coming from, but you lose me when you say you want some sort of order and hierarchy in the competitive scene. I think upsets and miracle runs are what make for exciting tournaments (think Jaedong at Blizzcon, or Royal Roaders in the GSL). I agree with Wax that this feels very Korean elitist in the sense that you "want the favorites to win all the time because they're objectively better." To me, that is horrendously boring when the predicted wins win just as predicted. And Serral has been doing that this year, and Neeb did last year, so I'm not even sure your assessment is on point. Likewise, we do have familiar faces in the top 8-16 constantly - Nerchio, Showtime, Special, Scarlett, Snute, Elazer. I also find it quite ironic that you specifically point out Elazer getting slaughtered by Dark in 2016, but fail to mention that he knocked Dark out of the WCS Global Finals the following year, putting up Dark's first lost to a foreigner. I felt like that was pretty noteworthy.
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Didn't you leave out the most optimistic interpretation of the situation. Don't you dare to dream? What if the foreigner level has just risen across the board, that koreans are lucky not to face them regularly. Well that would just challenge the status quo of Korea above all in Starcraft a little too much.
But hey, GSL vs The World is coming up and I am so willing to be dissapointed.
Totally random question, why does it say in the Liquipedia Bracket for GSL vs The Word that Serral plays Kelazhur in round one and Inno plays Rogue, doesn't that miss the point of the Tourney?
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On July 31 2018 08:54 JWD[9] wrote:
Didn't you leave out the most optimistic interpretation of the situation. Don't you dare to dream? What if the foreigner level has just risen across the board, that koreans are lucky not to face them regularly. Well that would just challenge the status quo of Korea above all in Starcraft a little too much.
But hey, GSL vs The World is coming up and I am so willing to be dissapointed.
Totally random question, why does it say in the Liquipedia Bracket for GSL vs The Word that Serral plays Kelazhur in round one and Inno plays Rogue, doesn't that miss the point of the Tourney?
I don't think foreigner levels have risen to the point of Korean levels, at all.
GSL vs. the World is not seeded foreigner vs Korean. This was discussed on the Pylon show recently I think. I wish they would have done it that way.
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Really great article, I think the writer hit the nail on the head; "Its not that Has and Mana has leveled up incredibly in skill, its that most of their opponents under performed". Mana and Has played great, especially Mana but we've come to have such high expectations from many of the top foreigners that we just assume they are bringing their A-game every time. So when they get defeated we more often than not see the greatness of the victor instead of the weakness of the defeated.
I still believe that Manas play was the best I've seen out of foreign protoss players this year though and if he played on the same level I think he could be competitive with the best in korea.
Really looking forward to korea VS the world, hoping for great games!
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Canada8980 Posts
On July 31 2018 04:45 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2018 04:42 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On July 31 2018 03:57 Charoisaur wrote:On July 30 2018 20:47 brickrd wrote:On July 30 2018 20:31 Waxangel wrote:Best article of all time? Jokes aside, this is kind of how I thought about StarCraft II when I was a peak Korean-elitist. This article might resonate with TL.net's forum regulars, but I think 'stop telling people not to have fun' would also be an appropriate reaction XD. personally i don't always understand why to some people it would be more fun to watch Maru vs Rogue on Catalyst every single game than ever see a foreigner because of M E C H A N I C S, but if that's what makes the game fun for them i say more power to them! Why is the game supposed to become more interesting when the players playing it happen to be white? Has is white? Per the rules of WCS we can consider him white enough™
Has is white, Stephano is african and Sioras is both european and australian.
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Meh.
Time was, a bold and interesting article like this would've gotten some kind of reaction out of me. Soularion makes his point and makes it well, don't get me wrong, but for all that this is a good piece of writing, I can't seem to compose a suitably intelligent reply. Just......meh.
SC2 in 2018, I guess.
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On July 31 2018 09:26 _Darwin_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2018 08:54 JWD[9] wrote:
Didn't you leave out the most optimistic interpretation of the situation. Don't you dare to dream? What if the foreigner level has just risen across the board, that koreans are lucky not to face them regularly. Well that would just challenge the status quo of Korea above all in Starcraft a little too much.
But hey, GSL vs The World is coming up and I am so willing to be dissapointed.
Totally random question, why does it say in the Liquipedia Bracket for GSL vs The Word that Serral plays Kelazhur in round one and Inno plays Rogue, doesn't that miss the point of the Tourney? I don't think foreigner levels have risen to the point of Korean levels, at all. GSL vs. the World is not seeded foreigner vs Korean. This was discussed on the Pylon show recently I think. I wish they would have done it that way.
Yeah, that is the point, it is a far fetched idea. Since Soularion complains in his article that the few foreigners that once were able to somewhat dominate the foreign scene and take even a series here and there against a midtier korean, now are struggling against anybody and everybody. Could of course be less spectacular, and just that the rest of the foreigners got to the level these few foreigners had, while korea improved even more drastically during that time and will still stomp, but what if?
Just saying, there is an extremely optimistic way to explain the situation that wasn't considered at all.
The real crux is the lack of Competitions, having both, Koreans and Foreigner. One single event won't convince anyone, one foreigner doing well in a korean tourney won't convince anyone (see Showtime 3-0ing Stats and Inno in BTSL), Because all of that can be chalked up to form, luck and inherent randomness of the universe.
edit: And if you argue, yeah, this might have been considered, but due to it's unlikeliness not put down in writing, maybe you just fail to see the real Miracle?
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On July 31 2018 02:45 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2018 00:47 Executer08 wrote:On July 30 2018 23:20 Fango wrote:On July 30 2018 20:54 imre wrote:
The fun side is that we get 9 possible finalist every WCS event. Serral + the 8 players on the other side of the bracket. As far as Blizzcon is concerned I don't think it can be worse than last years (Neeb got unlucky in my opinion, getting the worst possible group for him) and this time Serral might have a real shot. edit: to clarify, just because soO made the finals doesn't make him one of the best players at the event. He beat literally one korean to get there. herO, TY, INno, Rogue, and Dark were all better than him at that point imo. he beat the foreigners other koreans lost to. rogue lost to neeb; soO beat neeb (with his first try). stats and ty lost to special; soO beat special. he won his group unlike TY and rogue which put him in a position to dodge herO and inno in the ro8 and be placed in the korean light part of the bracket. saying he only beat one korean when other koreans lost to foreigners he beat is disingenuous and pure bias. he did play better / less flawed than those other koreans and their general form at the time has nothing to do with how they played at the event itself. Except Neeb and SpeCial winning their matches were the kind of results that happen 1/5 times. They were upsets for a reason. They weren't considered better players than TY or Rogue, who would win that match maybe 4/5 times and played at a higher level in all their other matches. If you don't believe me just go back and watch the games. SpeCial played his typical ro32 level against soO and lost. Neeb didn't look that great either. So why is it so impressive that soO beat them? soO got lucky that he faced mostly opponents who got their by upsets. It doesn't matter that they were foreigners or won suprise matches in the ro16, they simply weren't as good overall as herO, TY, INno, Dark, Rogue etc.
i watched the games and special as well as neeb played better than ty, stats and rogue. then soo played better than neeb and special. you are just riding the same bs argument that those koreans are generally considered better which is absolutely irrelevant ^^ as i said before, ty, stats and rogue lost (deservedly) when soo didnt. that has nothing to do with luck, its just soo playing better than those guys, no matter what you think about who should be rated how.
On July 31 2018 04:38 DBooN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2018 02:45 Fango wrote:On July 31 2018 00:47 Executer08 wrote:On July 30 2018 23:20 Fango wrote:On July 30 2018 20:54 imre wrote:
The fun side is that we get 9 possible finalist every WCS event. Serral + the 8 players on the other side of the bracket. As far as Blizzcon is concerned I don't think it can be worse than last years (Neeb got unlucky in my opinion, getting the worst possible group for him) and this time Serral might have a real shot. edit: to clarify, just because soO made the finals doesn't make him one of the best players at the event. He beat literally one korean to get there. herO, TY, INno, Rogue, and Dark were all better than him at that point imo. he beat the foreigners other koreans lost to. rogue lost to neeb; soO beat neeb (with his first try). stats and ty lost to special; soO beat special. he won his group unlike TY and rogue which put him in a position to dodge herO and inno in the ro8 and be placed in the korean light part of the bracket. saying he only beat one korean when other koreans lost to foreigners he beat is disingenuous and pure bias. he did play better / less flawed than those other koreans and their general form at the time has nothing to do with how they played at the event itself. Except Neeb and SpeCial winning their matches were the kind of results that happen 1/5 times. They were upsets for a reason. They weren't considered better players than TY or Rogue, who would win that match maybe 4/5 times and played at a higher level in all their other matches. If you don't believe me just go back and watch the games. SpeCial played his typical ro32 level against soO and lost. Neeb didn't look that great either. So why is it so impressive that soO beat them? soO got lucky that he faced mostly opponents who got their by upsets. It doesn't matter that they were foreigners or won suprise matches in the ro16, they simply weren't as good overall as herO, TY, INno, Dark, Rogue etc. I guess the things that do actually happen have very little significance compared to what Fango thinks should have happened.
i guess so
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Canada2764 Posts
On July 31 2018 18:34 JWD[9] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2018 09:26 _Darwin_ wrote:On July 31 2018 08:54 JWD[9] wrote:
Didn't you leave out the most optimistic interpretation of the situation. Don't you dare to dream? What if the foreigner level has just risen across the board, that koreans are lucky not to face them regularly. Well that would just challenge the status quo of Korea above all in Starcraft a little too much.
But hey, GSL vs The World is coming up and I am so willing to be dissapointed.
Totally random question, why does it say in the Liquipedia Bracket for GSL vs The Word that Serral plays Kelazhur in round one and Inno plays Rogue, doesn't that miss the point of the Tourney? I don't think foreigner levels have risen to the point of Korean levels, at all. GSL vs. the World is not seeded foreigner vs Korean. This was discussed on the Pylon show recently I think. I wish they would have done it that way. Yeah, that is the point, it is a far fetched idea. Since Soularion complains in his article that the few foreigners that once were able to somewhat dominate the foreign scene and take even a series here and there against a midtier korean, now are struggling against anybody and everybody. Could of course be less spectacular, and just that the rest of the foreigners got to the level these few foreigners had, while korea improved even more drastically during that time and will still stomp, but what if? Just saying, there is an extremely optimistic way to explain the situation that wasn't considered at all. The real crux is the lack of Competitions, having both, Koreans and Foreigner. One single event won't convince anyone, one foreigner doing well in a korean tourney won't convince anyone (see Showtime 3-0ing Stats and Inno in BTSL), Because all of that can be chalked up to form, luck and inherent randomness of the universe. edit: And if you argue, yeah, this might have been considered, but due to it's unlikeliness not put down in writing, maybe you just fail to see the real Miracle?
This is pretty unlikely, just looking at the level of play. You can't look at a series like Kela/Has or Silky/Neeb or Reynor/SpeCial or MaNa/Snute and simplify it to 'the other foreigners caught up!' - that's true, but they caught up to much worse version of the prior top foreigners. Your argument makes sense with sets like MaNa/SpeCial, but most of these are not of that quality.
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I don't dislike foreign players, but sometimes I feel lots of casters or article hype can talk them up too much, particularly versus Korean opponents. If they lose, the community gets deflated.
That being said, I must admit I do like players who stray from the norm and do something different. Snute and his swarmhost style, GuMigod going practically mech only in most of HotS and making it work, FanTaSy playing scrappy, bitterly fought games with ballsy coin flips, Has with his dairy factory producing a variety of cheese-based delights, Maru vs Protoss in HotS. $o$ being $o$.
Even if they failed, their gameplay would resonate with the fans and the community consciousness. The successes even more so.
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StarCraft II is a game with variance. More so than StarCraft and chess, less so than MtG or poker. People are people and can have good or bad days. Heck, reaching an ideal form for sportsmen is a science, but very few people talk about proper training regimes for reaching a top form for a particular event. And then on top of that each player has their own stylistic and match-up specific idiosyncrasies.
Combine all of that and we can come to conclusion, anyone can beat anyone at the Premier tournaments. This is not a miracle. This is a combination of game variance, player form and play style. You can be just lucky enough to reach a final -- if you were good enough to participate in this tournament in the first place. MtG players call that "spike a tournament"
And then we have the bracket luck. You can talk about consistency when it comes to passing through group stage. Anyone who keeps returning to Ro16 is consistent. But after that Single Elimination phase starts and consistency is thrown out of the window. If you are 2017 Neeb or 2018 Serral and you are just on another level compared to everyone else, you can overcome this. But if you are 2018 Scarlett? You can probably reach finals, but you are in the wrong half of the bracket. If you are 2018 Neeb? Narrow 2-3 loss to ShowTime (who in turn was one adept runby away from getting into the finals).
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