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or rather: i feel like i am missing something about that eod1 that prevents me from realizing what was going on. | ||
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On February 09 2018 18:03 Koshi wrote: Like he doesnt understand something that is very easy to find 5 million reasons for to understand. But that is even besides the point. DF doesnt open a door that it could be something like bad play or w.e the fuck. DF also completely ignores the fact rsoultin is maybe mafia. He tr Damdred based on an unflipped player her alignment. And he himself voted rsoultin. I forgot how hard he tr her now. DF also doesnt want to figure out this little riddle why Damdred did what he did. He just doesnt get it and closes his mind off to a solution. And the worst thing. That post is not succint at all. I can say all that in 1 sentence. "Damdred play was not optimal if he is mafia with mderg, it was better to hammer mderg" There is sooooooo much more wrong with that post but I am not typing more on mobile. I don't ignore the fact that rsoultin is mafia. Look at my filter. I do want to figure out this "little riddle" but my girlfriend is visiting me this weekend for the first time in a few months so I won't have the time. You'll just have to get over it | ||
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On February 09 2018 18:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: There are a few reasons i think damdred is town. He chose a route i wouldn't expect him to choose as mafia early on in the game (calling rsoultin and ritoky mafia). He chose a route i wouldn't expect him to choose at the start of N1. He is basically not taking any of the outs being offered i think he could easily see 100 miles away as scum. He chose to vote rsoultin over mderg (only a minor point but anyways). He got all emo over something that wasn't really justified but it looks like he genuinely doesn't understand what people were trying to say and he genuinely thinks he has been ignored or misunderstood. In all i think Damdred's play makes absolutely no sense as mafia. I think Mocsta is completely misconstruing what Damdred's actions and when trying to elaborate more onto that he cannot give a reasonable answer. He just picked a post that looks bad and made it look like it's a mafia post for some invented reason. I don't really think Conversion is mafia. He just feels like a person who has absolutely no idea what he should do. Just because i have more scumreads and he doesn't fit anywhere. purplehaze is the least town of my townreads, just because after a bit townie D1 he has gone back to only commenting on "good post", "funny post", "this" and nothing more. I don't think df is mafia for his eod1. I think this summarized it quite well: Like, this looks like a mafia thing to do for sure but if you account the situation it doesn't make any sense as mafia to do that. If df is mafia then the plan was not to bus (because he could have just voted for mderg if the plan was to bus), instead he chose not to bus but then do stuff that has a low chance of helping lynch town instead of mafia. Makes no sense. Obviously this doesn't matter if rsoultin is mafia but i have already said why that one doesn't work either on df being scum. df also has the "i am choosing a route that is very unlikely to work" thing after D1 in case he is mafia. I made a post on disformation here, it doesn't make sense, he couldn't give anywhere reasonable answer. Obviously noone in teh fucking game cares. Why do i even try? It is especially funny for Koshi who thinks i should be doing something and when i do something obviously that gets ignored. But it doesn't matter Koshi, i will just do what i do, then you start calling me obvious scum at some point, then i call you bad, then you lynch me, then i call you bad again. I think you're lynching town rn, and i know how Damdred feels.  ftr the one i am not calling mafia today has a veeeery weird reaction to Damdred's emo burst. I think it's a bad reaction from someone who is supposed to know Damdred better. rayn can you show/quote me an example of the highlighted? | ||
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Reasonable is subjective Im not sure how yoy have missed this since rayn shit up an entire page about it | ||
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Did rsoultin progression from mderg to prplhz feel natural? Like... she votes prplhz after a few ppl expressed interest. But a free pages before that..IIRC she is saying mderg is lynchworthy. Is there anything indicating thag read dropping to null and then mdeef = town??? | ||
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with 2 novotes... his filter also was very minimalistic. think he had a town read on rs, but he could have easily bussed mderg. though that might have looked suspicious in a "who did hop on for easy cred" kinda way. not impossible for him to do that as a "fuck your vca" vote kinda thing... but i also dont think it is like super likely he does that. his posting style also doesnt look very scummy to me. think there was someone else who had a similar style as town. | ||
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On February 10 2018 00:33 Mocsta wrote: Hes refereing to my take on damdred list post. Reasonable is subjective Im not sure how yoy have missed this since rayn shit up an entire page about it ah. the part where you go "damdy stole all his reads". k. On February 10 2018 00:36 Mocsta wrote: Disinfo Did rsoultin progression from mderg to prplhz feel natural? Like... she votes prplhz after a few ppl expressed interest. But a free pages before that..IIRC she is saying mderg is lynchworthy. Is there anything indicating thag read dropping to null and then mdeef = town??? lemme look at her filter again | ||
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On February 10 2018 00:36 Mocsta wrote: Disinfo Did rsoultin progression from mderg to prplhz feel natural? Like... she votes prplhz after a few ppl expressed interest. But a free pages before that..IIRC she is saying mderg is lynchworthy. Is there anything indicating thag read dropping to null and then mdeef = town??? rs mderg progression: + Show Spoiler + On February 06 2018 18:48 rsoultin wrote: I think I want to lynch into conv/rit/mderg today. Not sure on mocsta...it's hard to tell with someone tunneled on you. Rayn and truffle are town. DF...I'm not sure. I see the issue truffle has with him, and it's part of why I'm reading truffle town, but I still think that tonally DF is kinda towny. Relaxed. Also, it doesn't really look like last game where he was scum. What bugs me about ritoky most is he seems to have a decently strong reason to scumread conversion but isn't pursuing it. If conv ends up being scum, he probably is, too. Actually, he's probably scum anyway. I really don't get the focus on koshi over people who are actually scummy to him. On February 07 2018 21:58 rsoultin wrote: I'm not a big fan of Joni's townread on mderg or the fact that he was (is?) scumreading ritoky for the same reason that I was, but honestly this post probably makes him town. That and I'm generally not getting the 'scream until my target is lynched' vibe that I normally get from a scum Joni - he's still pushing, but taking the time to prod. Caveat here is he knows how I read him and has catered to that before. Caveat to the caveat is if he were scum here he could push me until the cows come home with no one listening to my trying to say he's scum for not involving people, and no one else seems to have that read nailed down on him. So. Still pretty sure he's town. Just being Joni. On February 07 2018 22:49 rsoultin wrote: There are glimmers of something in mderg's filter until the list post, which is mostly nulullllullululull. I was gonna bother but you know what? Truffle felt town to me most of the game until the reversal on Conversion's case. It's not even that Conversion's case was bad, because it wasn't; it's that it touched on the sort of intangibles that the Truffle of years ago didn't tend to find compelling. I think he's still town but don't give him a free pass. Holyflare is whatever the fuck. I can never tell even when I care. And I'm sure you all will blame me when you inevitably lynch me tonight after I bugger off for the rest of the day, but personally I only hold myself responsible for the beginning of the day when I was being a bit of a snit. At some point this game just isn't worth it anymore. Voting mderg. Don't want to vote DF without talking to ritoky about his read first. On February 08 2018 03:07 rsoultin wrote: Then who would you want to lynch? And my issue with mderg here vs Newbie is there was more sparkle in Newbie. There's only one or two things I'd call sparkle here. And yes I know that I'll have to expand on that let me see if I can. Also I think I'd prefer Darth foley if not mderg but I really want ritoky to come back for that cause he's a really good player as town and I want to hear his reasons before I decided to ignore them, if I do. On February 08 2018 03:12 rsoultin wrote: These are the only kinda sparkly things that I think could indicate a town mderg. Particularly the second, because it was where my mind was at regarding mocsta and his play from Newbie before he started diverting onto other things. On February 08 2018 04:40 rsoultin wrote: Meh fuck it. Not lynching you. I really don't think I want to lynch DF either, though. On February 08 2018 04:42 rsoultin wrote: Lol I'm doing wonders for myself this game, aren't I? Mderg's probably not scum though so there's that. On February 08 2018 04:54 rsoultin wrote: He's pulling off his only chance for survival. No way he does that as scum. rs prpl progression: + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2018 00:42 rsoultin wrote: I'm kinda okay with prp though. Why him? On February 07 2018 22:27 rsoultin wrote: There's not much to completely understand. I didn't think there was anything particularly alignment indicative in what he'd posted, which is why I asked you (if I recall correctly) for your read on him. On February 08 2018 04:30 rsoultin wrote: I don't oppose a prp lynch? I just think it's a coinflip. On February 08 2018 04:44 rsoultin wrote: I don't have a better vote than prplhz, and I'm not convinced on that either. But I don't want to lynch mderg and I want to discuss darth foley with ritoky so yolo \o/ On February 08 2018 04:55 rsoultin wrote: Well I hardly know who else I'd even try to consolidate on unless it's you, which is still not something I want to do >< rs darth progression: + Show Spoiler + On February 06 2018 18:41 rsoultin wrote: It's stupid, but I kind of like this post for tone. On February 07 2018 19:07 rsoultin wrote: No, it was you Rayn, not truffle. Misread that because he was talking all about truffle before. Some individual posts from darth foley still tonally resonate with me as being pretty fuck the world I'm gonna do what I want, but his filter in general actually reads more angry and defensive than I remember. I also don't like how he's mostly just scumreading people who are scumreading him after the initial scumreads on both myself and mocsta. To be fair, I actually think the original scumreads on mocsta and myself are okay given his last game and the buss that went on there. But scumreading whoever scumreads him (truffle, rayn) was exactly what he did as scum in Newbie. On February 07 2018 21:41 rsoultin wrote: I'm tempted to sit on you because of ritoky. Your reads still seem to change based on others' reads on you, though. Or at least on people scumreading you. That resembles your scum play to me. If you have town games that show you kinda OMGUS your way through games, could you link one of them, please? I'll follow up eventually if I don't get lynched today, but my bruised ego would prefer a tidy collection of correct reads to leave town with, and I doubt I'll have the time before deadline to pursue that avenue. On February 07 2018 22:25 rsoultin wrote: ^ I thought your post was in response to this post and had no clue as to why it got that reaction from you, even reading the discussion. But I suppose it must have been in response to this one posted just before that? So disregard. Dangers of skimming. On February 08 2018 03:07 rsoultin wrote: Then who would you want to lynch? And my issue with mderg here vs Newbie is there was more sparkle in Newbie. There's only one or two things I'd call sparkle here. And yes I know that I'll have to expand on that let me see if I can. Also I think I'd prefer Darth foley if not mderg but I really want ritoky to come back for that cause he's a really good player as town and I want to hear his reasons before I decided to ignore them, if I do. On February 08 2018 03:33 rsoultin wrote: I have no intention of lynching (or probably more accurately trying to lynch) holyflare today, so no worries. Last game proved to me in spades that him taking a back seat and being wrong do not necessarily make him scum. It just would be a convenient thing for a scum Holyflare to do if Joni's intent on lynching town. Thought filed away for later. I'm not really convinced that darth foley is town. On February 08 2018 04:40 rsoultin wrote: Meh fuck it. Not lynching you. I really don't think I want to lynch DF either, though. On February 08 2018 04:44 rsoultin wrote: I don't have a better vote than prplhz, and I'm not convinced on that either. But I don't want to lynch mderg and I want to discuss darth foley with ritoky so yolo \o/ her mderg read makes a huge flip as mderg unvotes her. could have been the plan/idea of mderg. as you know, mafia is unlikely to not vote the opposing wagon if it is close. so i can see that coming from town. her prpl stuff is a tad awkward in the form of that okay = nullish kinda thing, but kinda makes sense i guess? not sure why she is ignoring his vote though. which is why most ppl tr him for. the df one is weird though. has him as pretty hard scum. backs off cause she misunderstood something (that can happen). then its this "i am not convinced he is town" and "i really do want to talk to ritoky about df". mh. obv she still hasnt talked to rito about df, but both are fairly afkish. but yeah in general i can see town be like "oh fuck that mderg dude is town for unvoting his counterwagon, id rather vote for someone who is more likely scum. a coinflip is at least 50-50. i still dont get really what the plan is here if both are scum. they create a situation were both are not voting for survival. maybe that gets some ppl on prpl. maybe they ml prpl. dont they still both look like crap from that? mh gives them one more night with their roles. in a situation were it is really rs rb and mderg framer. *sigh* | ||
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On February 10 2018 01:31 darthfoley wrote: Still contend rsoultin is a reasonable lynch today still cause meta / this thing: On February 08 2018 04:32 darthfoley wrote: I think rsoultin has put in a lot of effort but I think it's kinda NAI. Last game she ran shit and let people know what they were doing based off of her. This game she is letting her play be attached to other variables too much for my liking. (e.g. not being down to lynch me based off of ritoky's read on me. I think i've played with ritoky like once or twice.) For my science nerds out there: last game rsoultin's play was the independent variable; this game it feels like the dependent variable. ? | ||
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I honestly think that's probably what I will find upon review for another reason. Damdred has me as scum. His reason is the votes. He seems anything but sure who my supposed scum partner could be, yet he's not even trying to attempt to convince people that his read on me is right. He even had his strongest scumread as Darth Foley, and his reason for backing off was because this makes no sense with my being scum. How on earth was his biggest scumread darth foley if my alignment, i.e.scum convinces him that his read on his 'top' scumread is wrong? That's completely backwards. And unless Rayn (I was skimming but don't remember this detail precisely) hasn't been in the thread, how is he not screaming his head off about this? They share a scumread and Damdred wanted to lynch Rayn's townread over me. More to the point, in what world does Joni just not push me, his top scumread who can never be town according to him, today? A promise to koshi? Bullshit. He spends all D1 calling me scum, then wants to lynch darth foley for wording. He spends all N1 calling me scum then wants to lynch mocsta for using <b> instead of brackets. If this is a town Joni, I'll eat my shoe. Town Joni with a 100% scumread tunnels the shit of me until he gets my lynch, or maybe has to consolidate elsewhere. None of this meek voting for mocsta that has practically no chance of gaining any traction. Both Rayn and Damdred are equally good lynches. I'll be here most of tomorrow to poke into my question marks (especially Damdred's reaction to HF), but I'm pretty confident on this. | ||
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And as for this part He even had his strongest scumread as Darth Foley, and his reason for backing off was because this makes no sense with my being scum. How on earth was his biggest scumread darth foley if my alignment, i.e.scum convinces him that his read on his 'top' scumread is wrong? That's completely backwards. This is a misrepresentation slightly but just enough to try yo juatify a vote and makes it look like you never even read any of the things i poated last night. | ||
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very different. dinner and then ill be a lazy ass for the rest of the evening. should have plenty of time tomorrow. | ||
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