[M][N] Vendée Globe 16' Mafia - Page 80

On February 07 2018 19:45 Koshi wrote:
imo the townies this game are destroying each other. Which is fine if you come to a point we all sing kumbaya together in the end.

My point on prplhz is good. Him having a problem with the bad tr from df on me without having a problem with me is also slightly more mafia.

Mderg is super sideline like others have been saying. Me first though. He has no original thoughts and have had the solo "I am tired I dont want to play" post mafia makes more often than town.

Damdred could be a butterfly who is now sleeping as a cocoon. But he could be mafia easily as well. Very easily.

Rels w.e. We cant know.

On February 07 2018 19:46 Koshi wrote:

O rly. Explain to me where.

On February 07 2018 19:52 Mocsta wrote:

how about his whole filter....

whats there to explain?

On February 07 2018 19:54 Mocsta wrote:
i find this post good.

yes, im going to legitimately vote mderg. that summarises quite well what i have been feeling.

##Unvote
##Vote: mderg

as an aside, i can accept a town!DF thinking im scum. Hes quite a pussy as scum so I can see him being cautious of me.
Rsoultin.. hmm, i dunno to be honest. Even though I legit pocketed her last game, I expect her personality to brush that off as "lesson learned" and not keep injecting "ohhh. im so cautious of this and that"..but thats my prediction on her behaviour and i should treat it as that.

On February 07 2018 19:56 darthfoley wrote:
Rayn's confidence in incorrects reads fuels me

On February 07 2018 19:57 darthfoley wrote:


I really want to townread you for this comment alone lol

On February 07 2018 19:58 Mocsta wrote:
Koshi town btw

I did the same thing as him last game but compeletly different delivery and intent

That post has no value as scum. It really doeant

On February 07 2018 20:00 Mocsta wrote:

Now you see the light
There is no vader here.

Tell me about mderg puh leaae

On February 07 2018 20:03 darthfoley wrote:
@ritoky

I was angle shooting

Also rayn's big "gotcha" moment doesn't make sense. A scum slip is when people say "I believe am I Town" not "I am Town and I believe your arguments are incorrect." But now were just talking semantics

On February 07 2018 20:07 darthfoley wrote:


Regarding mderg, I've made a few posts already about how disconnected he is in the game. It's actually one of the biggest question marks I have on rayn and HF. For so long they railed on me for "not being involved in the game" while seemingly ignoring mderg who has been around to post but hasn't.

This reason especially comes off as a bad reason to townread Mocsta. I think you could Town read Mocsta for a few reasons that I could buy as genuine beliefs, but I have not thought to myself, "you know what, Mocsta really knows where he's going this game." It almost feels like a TMI spew town read if mderg flips mafia

On February 07 2018 20:09 Mocsta wrote:
Koshi

The thing i find odd with trfel is that he spent all this time deeply analysing conversion and darthfoley to then sheep conversion read.

However he has not performed any deep analysos on rsoultin.

This to me is non characyeristic.

On February 07 2018 20:09 darthfoley wrote:


Like this read just seems very superficial

On February 07 2018 20:10 Koshi wrote:
Why did you say that though? It sounds a bit weird. Mayne cuz I am not a native speaker but still..

I believe your arguments are wrong

That sounds so icky.

On February 07 2018 20:10 Mocsta wrote:
lol yeah that makes aense actually.

He probably legit doesnt understand what im saying so doesnt know how to twist it into saying im scum.

Ok. I will read detention again

On February 07 2018 20:11 darthfoley wrote:


To me Trfel has come across as Question Master who struggles to produce original or accurate content

On February 07 2018 20:12 Mocsta wrote:
talking to me?

Who cares if my argument is wrong
Care if its intentional

On February 07 2018 20:13 darthfoley wrote:


Very odd read progression imo

1. I can kind of see what he's seeing
2. I am already struggling to understand what he's saying
3. MOCSTA KNOWS WHERE HES GOING THIS GAME

but I thought you couldn't understand what he was saying (?)

On February 07 2018 20:13 Mocsta wrote:
tell me. Is rayn always so self centred?

Ps. I like HF this game. Same vibe as last

On February 07 2018 20:16 Koshi wrote:

No to df. That is the reason rayn scumreads df.

About tfrel:
I am bad at reading people like that. So I cant comment. You say his focus is deliberately focussed on some people while ignoring others? In this case ignoring rsoultin. Maybe.

What I see is that he is playing the game trying to solve it. I do not see mafia intention behind how he solves it. I do believe all his scumreads are wrong, but I dont think it makes him mafia.

On February 07 2018 20:18 Mocsta wrote:
Yes strong town lean +5
Koshi
Hf
Darthfoley
Conversion

Nullish -2 to +4
Ritoky
Rayn
Rsoultin
Rels
Trfel
Prplhz

Scummy -5
Mderg
Damdred

On February 07 2018 20:18 darthfoley wrote:
Rayn claims to like mderg for focusing on the right thingS (plural) when his whole filter exists in the echo chamber of "rsoultin is scum" thread sentiment reads.

He has made one comment on me (with no conclusion) and one townread on Mocsta for wrong reasons.

Could be down to lynch. But I also get the willies that rsoultin's wagon is starting to face some pressure. Mafia would be likely to sit on their hands and do nothing if she's Town. to be determined

On February 07 2018 20:20 darthfoley wrote:
I would actually appreciate Conversion's feedback in the thread. He was playing well earlier

On February 07 2018 20:20 Koshi wrote:
df can you please explain why you said:
"I believe your arguments are wrong"

You know his arguments are wrong. Because it are arguments that make you mafia. There is no wiggle room.

On February 07 2018 20:20 darthfoley wrote:


Yes. I know he also tunnels hardcore as Town. Not really familiar with his mafia play.

On February 07 2018 20:22 Mocsta wrote:
analytical ppl can be wrong. So bad scumreads dont make him mafia either.

Its more he set the standard as deep and inciteful. I had to read thr conversion/trfel posts like 3 to 4 times cos i just dont view the game that deep on a filter by filter level. Bht once i got it.. it all made sense so im like. What a town motherfucker. This is real content.

Then to see this guy casually vote someone on the sheep and withoit interrogsting them.. thata just not congruent with what i would expect..

In short. He came across as super original
And ended up as a copy paster.

Whilst hr can agree with a good case. I still expect him to do his own homework on it. Instead there ks none of this deep insight into why rsoultin is scum

On February 07 2018 20:24 Mocsta wrote:

I disagree

I wrote repeatedly in qt that i always want an alternative wagon second 24hrs so people dont get itchy. I think its more a town tell .

If mafia. I thinm optimal play is to either fight before it is a wagon or bus it outright

On February 07 2018 20:25 darthfoley wrote:


No. I know his interpretation of my alignment is wrong.

Pretty sure I was responding to the idea that I hadn't interacted with the thread or some bullshit accusation. That is a subjective accusation because it is open for interpretation. I believe I have interacted with the thread. It would be silly to claim I KNOW I have interacted with the thread. Depends on your standards

On February 07 2018 20:25 Koshi wrote:

His mafia play is really good. If town is wrong he can make a giant post with fresh arguments that fit towns current believes and cements them even further. Making it very unlikely town recovers fast.

His town play is hit or miss early. And gets more likely to hit later on. But I have seen him be miss till like mid d3. After that he is hit or rip.
That being said. He can be hit d1 and then he is able to convince the thread he is right. Because he is so relentless. If thread sentiment doesnt believe him he is wrong most of the times. Thread sentiment is a good indicator.

On February 07 2018 20:28 Koshi wrote:

Well... I think what you write here makes him town. And that what you attribute to him being possible mafia might be a flaw in his game. Unless you can point out the mafia agenda in him sheeping we can't lynch him.

On February 07 2018 20:29 mderg wrote:

Be honest, you're only townreading me because I'm on the same page as you on rsoultin. I haven't done shit this game.

On February 07 2018 20:30 Koshi wrote:

Coolio. I believe you.
I very easily townread you for some reason. And I havent been wrong yet. But I think you never been mafia. Anyway. Last 3 games I tr you fast and correct.

On February 07 2018 20:31 Mocsta wrote:
Never thought he was a good lymxh option

How does this development make you feel about prplhz?

On February 07 2018 20:32 Mocsta wrote:

Lol

This is a funniest comment nomination

Me and darth were scum together last game... you knlw.. brutal bus everyome was talking about

On February 07 2018 20:32 Koshi wrote:

What development? I dont follow.

On February 07 2018 20:33 Koshi wrote:

Yes. I wasnt in the game.
I meant he wasnt mafia in a game I was alive in recently.

On February 07 2018 20:34 Mocsta wrote:
you just aaid. My comments on trfel indicate town

Prplhz was playing against thread sentiment by shitting on trfel to make a black truffle.

Yoy said you liked this about prplhz.. and i believ it lined up with yoyr read.

So of leaning town.. does this influence prplhz read?

On February 07 2018 20:38 Koshi wrote:

No. I never said that. I am scumreading/voting prplhz because he nitpicked something out of tfrel filter ignoring the broader picture.

prplhz has a nightmare filter and I dont care too much if he is mafia or town. I just want him out of the game and develop my reads further on people that actually play the game. Like rsoultin.

Mderg same story.

On February 07 2018 20:41 Mocsta wrote:
Fuck me. Am i really payojg that little attention

Will walk away then happy with my vote on mderg

On February 07 2018 20:48 Mocsta wrote:
Wait before i go

Why is there resistanxe to damdred...

How can he say tina is not her town self
Then say i should be ashamed of myself.

I was the primary pusher of tina.. wtf?

On February 07 2018 20:53 mderg wrote:

Pretty much everything early on revolved around his scumread on rsoultin and his desire to get her lynched. Last game it felt like he latched onto every other case without any focus on who he actually voted or wanted to lynch.

On February 07 2018 21:00 darthfoley wrote:


Hmmm. I guess I can see what you mean. Has your read on him changed at all since?

On February 07 2018 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes lynch Damdred again and let df and rsoultin away with that bs. maybe even better lynch me?

On February 07 2018 21:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Or mby you should wait until d2 and lynch unccd vigilante who shot mafia because someone talked about sk. That would make my day.

On February 07 2018 21:07 Mocsta wrote:
i dont think thag is accurate unleas referring to being bored by a predetermjned lynch.

Im disappointed with you mderg

On February 07 2018 21:08 Mocsta wrote:

Im hatter not vig

On February 07 2018 21:29 Koshi wrote:

We won that game. And I agree that was great. Could do it again.

On February 07 2018 21:29 Conversion wrote:
I am awake and a lot has happened. I have glanced at new content, but will not post opinions and thoughts in case I miss something or make a mistake again until I am in front of a computer. It looks as if some people are moving away from a rsoultin lynch, could I get a quick summary of that? Besides Koshi, who is hard townreading rsoultin right now.

Also would like suggestions on who I should filter dive so I am not aimlessly diving people and wasting my time, if my thoughts would be valuable here.

@Mderg I need more from you. Your posts lack content, if you’re town. Where’s your head at for the rest of D1?

On February 07 2018 21:32 darthfoley wrote:


Mocsta is moving away from rsoultin. Rayn is trying to lynch me but also rsoultin.

On February 07 2018 21:32 mderg wrote:

A bit, he's certainly a bit more jumpy now

On February 07 2018 21:32 darthfoley wrote:
maybe I like rayn again

On February 07 2018 21:33 Holyflare wrote:


I think it's more that I don't remember anything mderg has posted and that resonated with how I felt about him last game.

On February 07 2018 21:41 rsoultin wrote:


I'm tempted to sit on you because of ritoky. Your reads still seem to change based on others' reads on you, though. Or at least on people scumreading you. That resembles your scum play to me. If you have town games that show you kinda OMGUS your way through games, could you link one of them, please? I'll follow up eventually if I don't get lynched today, but my bruised ego would prefer a tidy collection of correct reads to leave town with, and I doubt I'll have the time before deadline to pursue that avenue.

On February 07 2018 21:44 rsoultin wrote:


What did you disagree with on my darth foley read? You asked for my filter dive on him (demanded it actually), I quoted where I'd already given it just as I quoted the ritoky posts that had me reading his game as fluid that I'd already given to holyflare when you asked, and you insta-voted me.

So either you have a problem with my read that I'd like explained, or you didn't realize I was quoting where I'd already answered what you were asking for.

On February 07 2018 21:50 rsoultin wrote:
-snorts- I don't know why I ever thought Conversion looked scummy. I'm stupid apparently. Probably more liking where truffle was coming from and not thinking about Conversion's alignment clearly.

There's still the claiming to be caught up but not and slight contradictions, but I don't think that's very alignment indicative in this case. It's kind of bad but his case on me is probably the biggest thing that makes him more likely town in my eyes.

Not bothering with Rels.

Neither of these two should be lynched today.

On February 07 2018 21:51 Koshi wrote:
Ofc Rels should be up for lynch...

On February 07 2018 21:53 prplhz wrote:
alright who on earth is Ian

On February 07 2018 21:54 Holyflare wrote:


The funny thing is that nobody understands why you even thought conversion was mafia to begin with because you didn't say a thing. So why did you find him scummy?

On February 07 2018 21:54 prplhz wrote:
I get Tina because she's the only girl and Joni because it's short for Jonihyväälioulu or something but Ian could be just about anybody

On February 07 2018 21:58 darthfoley wrote:


damdred I believe.

be back about 1 hour before deadline. hopefully i'm not getting lynched by then

On February 07 2018 21:58 rsoultin wrote:


I'm not a big fan of Joni's townread on mderg or the fact that he was (is?) scumreading ritoky for the same reason that I was, but honestly this post probably makes him town. That and I'm generally not getting the 'scream until my target is lynched' vibe that I normally get from a scum Joni - he's still pushing, but taking the time to prod. Caveat here is he knows how I read him and has catered to that before. Caveat to the caveat is if he were scum here he could push me until the cows come home with no one listening to my trying to say he's scum for not involving people, and no one else seems to have that read nailed down on him. So. Still pretty sure he's town. Just being Joni.

On February 07 2018 21:59 rsoultin wrote:


In the absence of anyone scummy, sure. I don't make a habit of lynching an afk Rels on D1 because, as you said with Damdred, he can turn into a butterfly.

On February 07 2018 22:04 rsoultin wrote:


Mostly just inconsistencies and nodding my head to Truffle's posts which gave me warm fuzzies at the time. I was a shameful sheeple.

It wasn't my strongest read at the time. Thus pursuing ritoky. However, ritoky addressed some of my concerns and then Conversion comes to the thread echoing a sentiment you'd just posted...something about me not doing anything about my scumreads. Then posted that well I'd poked at ritoky but that didn't mean anything because he didn't see what I'd gotten from it. Maybe it was an emotional reaction at the time, but it looked to me like he hadn't actually read what I'd posted since he'd left, then realized his mistake and posted to acknolwedge it before he could be called out on it, but still stick to his read.

In effect, though, even if that's true it still could have come from town. I'm just bad.

On February 07 2018 22:08 Koshi wrote:

That is my point

On February 07 2018 22:14 mderg wrote:
A good old summary post you all know and love.


Damdred: Nothing
ritoky: doesn't give a fuck, tone says town. Read on me kind of makes sense except I haven't been active or present enough to do anything. I've been really disconnected from the game, though
Mocsta: Feels different from last game, almost his whole game revolved around roultin at the start. Started being a bit more jumpy now. Not sure how that makes me feel.
darthfoley: Not liking his early scumread on Mocsta, for what I consider dumb reasons. Some omgus on Trfel, Rayn and Mocsta. Sounds very annoyed at some points. Could maybe see scum.
Rels: Nothing
Conversion: Didn't like him questioning me about this "bullshit" thing with rsoultin at first. his reasoning actually makes sense for a townie, though. his posts mostly don't seem very memorable but his points on rsoultin resonate really well with me. Gets a pass for now.
rsoultin: Her posts give of a much different feel from the last game. She's not this nice lady trying to get everyone involved and figure out their motives. She's much more aggressive in her questioning of people. Would lynch.
raynpelikoneet: don't know, honestly. His reads seem fine for the most part.
Koshi: Doesn't feel like the great multiple awards winning town hero Koshi. Seems like he wants to lynch 99% based on post count. Not to my liking.
Holyflare:
Trfel: Heavy focus on Conversion early on but then switched off him, not quite sure why. Like his pressure on koshi.
prplhz: No idea how to read him at this point:

On February 07 2018 22:16 rsoultin wrote:
Pending on you, koshi. It skeeves me out a little that you're focused on lynchbait and right on my alignment where most everyone else is wrong. I know you've picked your scum game up recently.

But I can see where you're coming from on your prp lynch and it really comes down to whether or not 1) I agree that all the active people are more likely town or at least have a decent shot at it or 2) that it makes sense for you to think that.

Also, could you explain this? I think you said it was about df and why rayn scumreads him, but I'm not following at all:

On February 07 2018 22:17 Koshi wrote:
Can still lynch mderg. No way a townie ends up with 10 mafia suspects in a 13 player game. That's not where you end up while solving things.

This is nitpicking. And that is all it is.

On February 07 2018 22:19 Koshi wrote:

If you cant follow it you are not reading the thread. It is rayn is nr 1 reason to scumread df and he explained it.

And I already explained this very post to mocsta as well. And on top of that df answered me already.

I cant help blind people in a forum mafia game. This is just pathetic.

On February 07 2018 22:23 Koshi wrote:
You have to not have read 7-10 posts to not understand the post...

Explain to me in extreme detail why prplhz is town or "ok" for you. I want to completely understand it.

On February 07 2018 22:25 rsoultin wrote:




^ I thought your post was in response to this post and had no clue as to why it got that reaction from you, even reading the discussion.

But I suppose it must have been in response to this one posted just before that?



So disregard. Dangers of skimming.

On February 07 2018 22:26 Koshi wrote:
I offcially revoke my leaning townread on rsoultin. I dont want to lynch her today. But fuck this thread control type of play that doesnt push the game forward at all. All stupid safe reads and nothing interesting in over 100 posts.

I am not entertained. You may die.

On February 07 2018 22:27 rsoultin wrote:


There's not much to completely understand. I didn't think there was anything particularly alignment indicative in what he'd posted, which is why I asked you (if I recall correctly) for your read on him.

On February 07 2018 22:27 rsoultin wrote:


Cool beans.

On February 07 2018 22:28 Koshi wrote:
There are 10 more posts in the thread about that. It has nothing to do with skimming. You are just filling your filter and not solving the game. You cannot miss all the fucking posts about this.

On February 07 2018 22:30 prplhz wrote:

I like this post and agree with it.

On February 07 2018 22:30 Koshi wrote:

You tr prplhz at some point. Or at least were ok with him. You keep asking me about prplhz and your own read is foggy as fuck. Reread prplhz if needed and explain how you felt about him this entire game. What are you telling me?? You have had no opinion at all on him this entire fucking game?

What are you doing?????

On February 07 2018 22:30 rsoultin wrote:


-shrugs- It wasn't obvious to me. So sue me.

On February 07 2018 22:31 rsoultin wrote:


Filter diving.

On February 07 2018 22:33 Koshi wrote:
rsoultin is not solving this game. That is for sure. Blah. Last time you were way more obvious mafia.

I remember my banana apple post.

On February 07 2018 22:33 Koshi wrote:

Yeah. I am. For negligence.

On February 07 2018 22:33 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, you mean the two posts that he'd posted at the time? I still don't think they say much about his alignment, despite your claim that he was nitpicking truffle. Nor do the name questions or saying that you like to be right do anything for me. He's null.

On February 07 2018 22:33 Mocsta wrote:

Sigh.
I agree.

Really stuck on where to vote before i go to bed
I was willing to give rsoultin a chance but now she is just wasting it on filter commentary.
Mderg list post feels disconnected which he even comments on.

Im happy with a vote on rsoultin mderg or damdred

I think its good there 4 or 5 people with votes. Tug of war that is split this hard means at least one wagon is mafia in my opinion.

Im going to read mderg and tina past game now to finalise vote

On February 07 2018 22:34 Conversion wrote:


I will agree with this. That was not a good post at all from mderg.

On February 07 2018 22:35 Mocsta wrote:
u syill toen read rsoultin?

On February 07 2018 22:35 rsoultin wrote:


o.0 I vaguely but don't really remember this.

On February 07 2018 22:37 Damdred wrote:
I almost feel human, I have a doctors appointment in 40 minutes. After that I shouos be here.

As for my vote im just going to sheep my top towns (rayn) when i get back.

On February 07 2018 22:37 Koshi wrote:

Rsoultin mderg and prplhz are good places to plant a vote. We will probably lynch the townie out of the 3 on d1 but removing that person is fine anyway.

Damdred is maybe not mafia. Some shady people are too outspoken on him.

On February 07 2018 22:37 mderg wrote:

Are you saying I have 10 mafia suspects?

On February 07 2018 22:38 Mocsta wrote:

Im lazy and this is good enough for me to go to bed on

I also realised tina may feel pressures to magically generate reada before lynch.
Magically because when ppl tunnel yoy. You foxus on them and it can be hard to have reads worth sharing.
I am willing to give tina another day.

Good night. My vote stays with mderg

On February 07 2018 22:41 Koshi wrote:

Yes. That is what it says.

You are nitpicking filters and not trying to find the alignment behind the filters.

I dont know why you are nitpicking the filters. But I am sure that you are doing just that.

This game is about finding 3 mafia out of 12 players. You are looking for the 3 and not for the 9.

Why are you not looking for the 9?

On February 07 2018 22:42 mderg wrote:

Are you fuckng serious?

On February 07 2018 22:44 Koshi wrote:

This is serious fucking business.

On February 07 2018 22:44 Trfel wrote:
I am here, skimmed the last 10 pages. I'll try and reread stuff during class.

Koshi's actually playing the game, which is great, but makes me less inclined to lynch him. Been avoiding thinking about darthfoley. Feel so lost

I'll try and figure out what's going on but if someone wants to talk about something let me know.

On February 07 2018 22:45 Damdred wrote:
Mderg pretend I havent read the game to a deep level,. If what Koshi says isnt true can you give me your sxum reada with a condensed reason for each?

On February 07 2018 22:49 rsoultin wrote:
There are glimmers of something in mderg's filter until the list post, which is mostly nulullllullululull.

I was gonna bother but you know what?

Truffle felt town to me most of the game until the reversal on Conversion's case. It's not even that Conversion's case was bad, because it wasn't; it's that it touched on the sort of intangibles that the Truffle of years ago didn't tend to find compelling. I think he's still town but don't give him a free pass.

Holyflare is whatever the fuck. I can never tell even when I care.

And I'm sure you all will blame me when you inevitably lynch me tonight after I bugger off for the rest of the day, but personally I only hold myself responsible for the beginning of the day when I was being a bit of a snit. At some point this game just isn't worth it anymore.

Voting mderg.

Don't want to vote DF without talking to ritoky about his read first.

On February 07 2018 23:04 Damdred wrote:
Mderg peaced out when I asked him things idk what to think I guess ill have to look at his list when i read heh.

On February 07 2018 23:05 Holyflare wrote:
I don't particularly understand but we vote martyrs in this here town.

On February 07 2018 23:05 Damdred wrote:
Tinnnnaaa

On February 07 2018 23:12 rsoultin wrote:

Sorry if you're town, Ian. I'm just done. Calling me scum and shooting me multiple exclamation point question mark shouty posts is one thing.

Claiming I'm just filling my filter when I'm trying to leave a post flip legacy is another. Well, it's there. I'm done. I don't know if I'm right or not but whatever.