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Yeah so...
I still want Damerion.
Holyflare is still wrong. In his world, the meta read was developed on the fly during the course of this game, where clearly as Damerion himself admitted he compiled it after his last game with Damdred. Using a meta read that you believe to be true is something that any scummer can do. The tunneling to the exclusion of the global game does not resemble ANY of his three prior town games. At all. (And honestly he reminds me of an old player and friend here who played scum just like this, but that's neither here nor there).
More to the point, as town I would expect an attempt to use a new meta read, but I would not expect this level of surety this early. The 'like' bullshit that holyflare latched onto so hard is not something that you could reasonably expect to get a read on that early in the game.
Rather than using a meta read as a tool, Damerion used it as a bludgeon, and the holyflare cheerleading oh he's amazing and always right feels dirty to me. I recognize that this doesn't make holyflare scum, though; he's not an honest player as either alignment and will say what he can to get his lynch. So whatever.
Damerion should be the lynch. If only because I need to redeem myself for being such a boob yesterday. But also because he's scum. Not because he was wrong. Because of how he used the meta case and ignored everything else. He's clearly a good town player so he gets no 'oh maybe he's new, overconfident and overeager' from me.
I'm going to trust vets and coached newbies to know what to do if they're vig here. Damerion's the lynch tomorrow.
Going out with Lex for awhile. I'll look at the rest of the game hopefully tonight.
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I don't believe he created it this game at all? I believe he had it and as mafia wouldn't use it and certainly wouldn't think to use it.
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On January 20 2018 19:53 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 15:35 Mocsta wrote:
rsoultin,
In retrospect, I would like to hear HF thoughts on my damdred observations.
Whilst I dont like HF voting damdred for behaviour instead of motive; it is also arguable I could only discern motive through a vote on behaviour.
[...] nice attempt at a strawman though
And then you neglected the rest of the game where I elaborated on damdred and used your exact points to further my case, that he was appealing to emotions and trying to get people to unvote him based on that.
Yet you've just highlighted your lack of reading of the game and lack of care for even reading into the top people you want to purge. Don't believe a town mocsta would do that.
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On January 20 2018 20:39 Holyflare wrote:
I don't believe he created it this game at all? I believe he had it and as mafia wouldn't use it and certainly wouldn't think to use it.
I'm going to stop and see what he says instead.
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On January 20 2018 20:41 Holyflare wrote:
And then you neglected the rest of the game where I elaborated on damdred and used your exact points to further my case, that he was appealing to emotions and trying to get people to unvote him based on that. I had to read your filter twice to even know what you were talking about.
Then I realised, it could only be this sole whining-to-yourself post
"I don't understand why it's so fucking hard to lynch damdred when he's literally doing shit all and makes a post to appease people and fucks off again. It's really quite simple that this is nothing like town damdred at all."
Kudos again on the strawman and ad hominem approach.
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I shall illuminate my top 2 reads in further detail to connect how and more importantly why they are a scum pairing.
Please refer to my 4000 word case below.
Why is DF scum
Read DF Filter, and dont tell me you dont see this....
+ Show Spoiler +
Why is HF scum
Read HF Filter, and dont tell me you dont see this...
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTHo1KpOjCsKi538Y_c9XMB_mN5vCd0B0Vw94Wupj4u4XP7Qkpj) and... wait for it. ![[image loading]](https://media1.tenor.com/images/bd7e85e963017a2ae67c845649af98e6/tenor.gif?itemid=7658718)
Why does it work together
+ Show Spoiler +
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^Sheeping this guy for the picture alone
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On January 20 2018 23:26 Mocsta wrote:I shall illuminate my top 2 reads in further detail to connect how and more importantly why they are a scum pairing. Please refer to my 4000 word case below. Why is DF scumRead DF Filter, and dont tell me you dont see this.... + Show Spoiler +Why is HF scumRead HF Filter, and dont tell me you dont see this... + Show Spoiler +and... wait for it.
yawn
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On January 20 2018 20:18 rsoultin wrote:
Yeah so...
I still want Damerion.
Holyflare is still wrong. In his world, the meta read was developed on the fly during the course of this game, where clearly as Damerion himself admitted he compiled it after his last game with Damdred. Using a meta read that you believe to be true is something that any scummer can do. The tunneling to the exclusion of the global game does not resemble ANY of his three prior town games. At all. (And honestly he reminds me of an old player and friend here who played scum just like this, but that's neither here nor there).
More to the point, as town I would expect an attempt to use a new meta read, but I would not expect this level of surety this early. The 'like' bullshit that holyflare latched onto so hard is not something that you could reasonably expect to get a read on that early in the game.
Rather than using a meta read as a tool, Damerion used it as a bludgeon, and the holyflare cheerleading oh he's amazing and always right feels dirty to me. I recognize that this doesn't make holyflare scum, though; he's not an honest player as either alignment and will say what he can to get his lynch. So whatever.
Damerion should be the lynch. If only because I need to redeem myself for being such a boob yesterday. But also because he's scum. Not because he was wrong. Because of how he used the meta case and ignored everything else. He's clearly a good town player so he gets no 'oh maybe he's new, overconfident and overeager' from me.
I'm going to trust vets and coached newbies to know what to do if they're vig here. Damerion's the lynch tomorrow.
Going out with Lex for awhile. I'll look at the rest of the game hopefully tonight.
Agree with all of this.
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After rereading filters, I conclude that I suck at life. But I have a really imperfect set of reads as to where I'm at now, so yeah.
Town
Rels - deadline, general play, don't think this needs much explanation
Twatty - organic posting while still focusing on scumreads, active until afk after 24 hours into D1
Townish
KSC - we see the game similarly. could be pocketed, but I'll worry about that later
mocsta - eat your heart out. i can't say that I'm close to certain, but i just instinctively like the tone of his posts
Maybe Town?*
mderg - he took a solid stand, and I like his interactions. need to see more from him
holyflare - i'm still waffling hard on him. but part of why i think that he could be town is he actually has backed off a few arguments. if darthfoley ever flips scum i'd revisit him hard
Null
darthfoley - can see things in his filter leading me both ways. he's more calm than i remember him in his town game, which makes me want to townread players generally but maybe points toward scum on him specifically
btdt - find the start scummy, but the fucking off at eod actually slightly towny...he'd probably be lower on the list if damdred weren't so adamant about him being town :/
Scummish
Kmatt - despite liking his tone in the beginning, he was around during the day saying he didn't think damdred was scum but never laid down a vote, just talking randomly about twatty
prplhz - i don't like how he wasn't following the game, said he'd follow me and then didn't follow me...kind of weak because damdred and i both could have voted btdt to save damdred (and i would have if i wasn't such a boob at eod) but a scum darthfoley and town btdt would make this really suspicious
Scum
Damerion - laid down his meta 'hero' case on damdred for the first time after four posts from damdred, and disappeared in the midst of my pressuring him on how he'd come to the meta and what about damdred's play he was claiming was 'static'...add that to my post above on why damerion is 100% our lynch d2
So, yeah. I'm a little disappointed that it didn't shake out clearer for me, and possibly I should have hf in a purgatory category of endless waffle all his own. But I think lynching into Damerion, kmatt and prplhz will yield probably two scum. Kmatt seems more likely if btdt, darthfoley and damdred are all town, prplhz if darthfoley is scum.
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On January 21 2018 08:05 Holyflare wrote:
It's like 50% wrong lol
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Going to bed now. To dream of town holyflares I don't want to throttle. Toodles.
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No, seriously, I've already explained it is? How is that inflammatory in any way?
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Would like to shoot mocsta 200% though
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On January 21 2018 04:12 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 23:26 Mocsta wrote:I shall illuminate my top 2 reads in further detail to connect how and more importantly why they are a scum pairing. Please refer to my 4000 word case below. Why is DF scumRead DF Filter, and dont tell me you dont see this.... + Show Spoiler +Why is HF scumRead HF Filter, and dont tell me you dont see this... + Show Spoiler +and... wait for it. yawn
It does get boring watching from the outside i gather.....
Yawn back at cha
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On January 21 2018 08:40 Holyflare wrote:
Would like to shoot mocsta 200% though yea im the vet hf
2 shots pls
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