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I'm not gonna filter dive btdt or Kelsier because one is gonna be lynched and one is likely to be mod killed for inactivity. I'm also not gonna filter dive kmatt as he is the town vig. I'm not going to bother with ika's as he is my strongest townread based on numerous games with him. He is active, engaged, trying to figure out the game, directly interacting with people instead of asking them to come to him, not having trouble with reads, and is invested in the game.
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Okay, in all seriousness. This is kind of an attempt to save myself although I am aware that it just won't happen.
Whatever, hope dies last, and I think it's worth trying. I guess the scum team is just letting things work out as they are in D2. There is no need for them to push anything foward as town is currently on auto-pilot lynching me.
I am town. Of course I am the lynch, the chance of me getting away is just too big.
However, trying to survive here, so here's why I "slip-claimed" Cop: I hoped to eat the Mafia shot at night. I hoped they'd believe my slip and kill me, so a potential Vigilante would not have to kill me and, more importantly, the lynch would not be wasted on me. This did not work out.
Given that Scum didn't need to do anything D2, it's highly unlikely that all three of them posted over the day besides doing the bare minimum of what had to be done.
So, let's start with Silverwolf:
On January 09 2017 09:46 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 09:37 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2017 09:35 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 09 2017 09:31 reps)squishy wrote:On January 09 2017 09:26 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2017 09:22 reps)squishy wrote:On January 09 2017 09:19 beentheredonethat wrote:
I got roleblocked. But noone is going to believe that anyways^^ so good night I am now leaning btdt as town. @Onegu: do you still stand by this statement? On January 08 2017 14:07 Onegu wrote:
Just FYI 100% we lynch btdt tomorrow. Even though I give btdt a 30% chance of being scum. He has to be lynched. It is a terrible play as scum as scum could just shoot him. The only way it becomes a ok play is if they think the lynch would go from grack to a actual scum player. Even then its not great as btdt wasnt being looked at. I think it comes from town more often than not who thinks he will save the actual doctor from having to CC and then lynch scum and eat a bullet. Wanting to make the hero play. But this play needs to be punished. Plus a 30% chance to hit scum is fine. you're gonna have to explain that one to me. Why? I cannot see him making that up if he were scum... I can. Why? Have you seen all the BS he's spewing? I'm the doc, no I'm the cop, no I'm a VT, no I'm the cop, no I'm a VT, no I was roleblocked. Scum could easily hold back a roleblock and then claim it, trying to look town with it.
She is completely discarding anything that came out of my fingers. Why is that? There were decent reasons to think I'm town, Vivax eg. did so, although he was VT on his own. SW however doesn't even think a second on why I acted how I did.
"Scum could easily hold back a roleblock and then claim it, trying to look town with it."
And where exactly would be the value in doing so? Scum clearly roleblocked me because they thought I was the cop. Also, what makes you sure that the Mafia may hold their roleblock? What if they get randomized if they're not used? Also, why wouldn't they roleblock me for real if they would try to fake me? I'm not really buying that rage.
Let's go on to the Onegu post:
On January 10 2017 14:11 SilverWolf77 wrote:
Onegu:
Flying under the radar. Yep, I keep forgetting about him which I don't like.
His whole VT thing is null for me, I don't get the point and when I asked he simply said it was his thing. It just looks like busy work and not much else. If he got some reads off it, that would be different but he didn't.
Suspicious of B0ston for voting him when he only made 2 posts. A little reactive-gets annoyed B0ston didn't say it was a pressure vote but you don't usually say a vote is a pressure vote when you vote someone for pressure so..............
Makes irrelevant comment about OMGUS and what it means.
Reiterates trolliness is NAI for him.
Explains his scumread on B0ston was for fabricating a read on him and later changing the narrative on it. This is actually pretty good.
Doesn't like Vivax defending people as a vet player. Basically just a one line scumread of Vivax. Meh.
Explains his townread on me better.
Says he's town cuz he's VT.
A few more irrelevant comments about stubborness and saying he claims VT in all his games. I think he made too much of this but it's apparently NAI for him.
A few more irrelevant posts.
I do like his explanation for his scumread on B0ston.
Didn't like Grack's claim and votes him for the cc.
Strongly states we need to lynch btdt which I agree with.
Says Kelsier is the veteran who would shoot Vivax if scum.
Says he'll figure the game out for us. I hope someone does.
Overall, a lot of filler posting which is NAI for him. A decent enough explanation for why Kelsier would shoot Vivax due to meta and Vivax vote on him.
A good reasoning for his suspicion on B0ston.
Unfortunately it's null town. Meaning a couple points look town, the rest looks null. I don't really see anything scummy though or anything that looks scum motivated so null town it is.
This is basically "Hey, I am right now reading his filter and I am writing down what I think while I read that filter". Which, per se, isn't a bad thing - but if you invest another minute into thinking about that, you will clearly see where this is flawed.
So first off - there is no value in saying what someone did without drawing a conclusion from it. And the only conclusion drawn is "null town". What is null town even? Null town is the very definition of "I will not pressure this guy".
The whole post on Onegu is unnecessary and weird. At this point, there is no need to write such a post. A town player would write that post out of a "let's get D2 going" mentality, to spark up discussion, to maybe pressure someone. This is not what SW is doing. She is simply writing some words and giving a "null town" read to Onegu, whatever that is. It feels forced and it feels like she's afraid to actually do something. But only scum should be afraid to do stuff, town can do rather carelessly what they want as long as they stay honest and open minded and do not derail the thread into whatever.
And then, there's the glorious combination of "I will do more" and "Nahhhh, I won't do more because serious reasons" posts:
On January 10 2017 14:14 SilverWolf77 wrote:
I'll do more tomorrow. I'm dead tired and not feeling great right now.
On January 11 2017 03:30 SilverWolf77 wrote:
I'm not gonna filter dive btdt or Kelsier because one is gonna be lynched and one is likely to be mod killed for inactivity. I'm also not gonna filter dive kmatt as he is the town vig. I'm not going to bother with ika's as he is my strongest townread based on numerous games with him. He is active, engaged, trying to figure out the game, directly interacting with people instead of asking them to come to him, not having trouble with reads, and is invested in the game.
This is incredibly scummy. First off, "I will not filter dive the persons that are scummy". Kelsier and me are the easiest scumreads around - I counterclaimed a Doctor and Kelsier simply doesn't seem to be there. So yeah, no need to pile up on that, that's correct - but there are ways to contribute. She's not "bothering with Ika" as she townreads him but nevertheless she states over and over again why she townreads him.
So let's see. Is he really all of "active, engaged, trying to figure out the game, directly interacting with people instead of asking them to come to him, not having trouble with reads, and is invested in the game."?
To be fair, I don't know. What I do know is that I townread Ika, too. He's got 8 pages of filter, that's a lot for a 55 page game. Also his reaction to what I did felt very genuine and I think I quoted already a post where I said that he's town.
But the whole praising of Ika's townieness just strikes me as exaggerated. SW seems to be a bit too sure about Ika's alignment. Shouldn't she be a bit more paranoid? I think she should be.
On January 10 2017 05:36 SilverWolf77 wrote:
Btdt-if you are Town going to be lynched, you leave your last reads. Your reaction makes me think you are scum.
At dr but later I'll filter dive and do a Town to scum list.
Like - I don't get that. After posts like "Lynch with fire", she goes on with "IF YOU ARE TOWN DO SHIT" which is like the most obvious excuse for scum to post during an inactive day and feel active.
Hmm. My conclusion would be a decent scumread on SilverWolf77.
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reps)squishy should be lynched with fire. This is out of the question.
On January 06 2017 16:53 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 10:41 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:24 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:19 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:16 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:13 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:11 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:10 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:07 KelsierSC wrote:
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well im not making a ground breaking finding but mafia generally try to blend in and make non commital or mimic posts right so they might have thought answering a list of questions which everyone else was doing is a good idea.
probably not relevant here as the questionnaire was hardly insightful and i dont want to start a circle jerk with, well you posted 5th so you are scum. the whole exercise got me some good reads so not entirely pointless and now the the game is moving.
Nothing is going to be ground-breaking at this point so that qualifier (from DF too in the post above) is 100% unnecessary. I didn't approach the questionnaires like that. The VCA-style "X voter/ poster is scum" thing is useless as a metric. What "good" reads do you have? yo just calm down alright My emotional state is irrelevant to the question. You claim to have reads, I'm asking for them. What's the point of saying "I have reads" and then be stubborn about sharing them? so what I did is I checked the order in which people responded to the questionnaire and the first ones to respond are clear town until we get to the people who were like 4th and onwards who are likely scum. 100% accurate I can't tell whether you're being serious or blowing me off here or both. If it's the former, I'd like to hear the rationale for that. nah not being serious, you just had no chill so it was fun to mess with you a bit. i thought your first post about michael was pretty good so your pretty towny to me. everyone else is suspect though. especially that kmatt dude If you think kmatt is suspect why did you vote Grack? cos silverwolf blew the whole thing wide open with his theory that maybe earlier posting was scum and not later posting. So I perfectly fused the two theories and my calculations said that 4th post was most likely mafia. You want a graph? I find this a bit scummy. He really can't get any leads from this and just throws out numbers. I do not think this logic is sound whatsoever. It would be fine if it was just begging of the game meme, but he actually did vote for Grack. Of topic: Typing Grack reminded me of this + Show Spoiler +
So there's this huge conversation going on. Quote and quote and quote. And he "finds this a bit scummy." Why would you take a post that is obviously trolly so seriously?
But he does:
On January 07 2017 05:13 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 04:38 Kmatt wrote:
Grackaroni
Still waiting on more. Like with SW, I don't scumread this guy enough to vote him, but I can see why Kelsier wouldn't like him. A bit too quick to jump the gun but I've done that myself and everyone plays D1 differently.
Kelsier's logic was based on Ika's questionnaire people who responded early would be town. Then I think it was SW said maybe to opposite mafia would want to respond quickly. So Kelsier "perfectly fused the two theories to make the 4th person who respond mafia. Grack just unfortunately posted 4th which Kelsier humorously then voted for him. So do you also believe in the post too early or too late you are possible scum so the in between is where it is at? If you don't believe Kelsier's hypothesis then this statement "I can see why Kelsier wouldn't like him." is not all that true I am not out to lynch Kelsier, just his lynch vote is not based on any logic or read I would find compelling.
Townreads Onegu in a weird way: + Show Spoiler +On January 07 2017 11:32 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 09:24 Onegu wrote:On January 07 2017 08:31 darthfoley wrote:
@Calix Like do you really expect every player who goes AFK for a period of time to provide a reason why? If so, I can wait for the impending doom for btdt and Onegu lol You wont get reasons why I go afk. I used to provide them but then had a discussion over it with someone that it can cause people to make reads on me based on my reasons. So I have stopped posting them for the most part. Unless I know in a few days I have a doctors appointment and wont be around I normally tell people about it before hand but if something comes up and I am gone I just comeback and dont say anything anymore. Now that your caught up with the reading you could have told people who your leads are. Instead you have become entirely defensive about your activity, and BostonSC's failed vote for you. I want you to get on track since I kind of trust your VT claim. So here is a question for you. I am currently leaning toward Vivax myself because of SilverWolf77's response to my questioning. So why do you feel this way:
Then, weird "suspicions that are not AI" on Vivax:
On January 07 2017 12:40 reps)squishy wrote:[b]@Grackaroni/b] your evidence that Vivax was a townie was no different than just singling out his post like you can do here. Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:00 Grackaroni wrote:
If people want to lynch Vivax at the end of the day I will refute whatever arguments they put forth for him being scum and put forward my own arguments for whoever I want to lynch. I have suspicions of vivax nothing AI otherwise I would have voted. But a failure to show that he is a townie makes my suspicions grow. Do we honestly need to vote for Vivax for you to finally give evidence he is a townie?
Being lazy here, but I'd lynch him at any point.
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I'm aware I'm the lynch of this day. So please consider those posts to be genuine (at least after the flip). They might be wrong, but they're genuine.
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On January 09 2017 07:42 reps)squishy wrote:I feel that Onegu has fallen under the radar. I looked over the filters of townie players to see how much they talked about Onegu. Which consists of Calix, Ika,and Sw. And what I see is his VT claim controversy, which is not AI whatsoever. And his name popping up when Boston changed his reason for voting for Onegu. When checking Onegu's filter it is not as active as the average vet, with the exception of Kelsier. And a good portion of his posts pertain to his activity alone. He does not look to make up his low activity with anything of substance either. I also believe Onegu's suspicion of Boston would not have came if it were directed at another player. I think it is solely a reaction to being voted on by Boston. And I noticed something that was extremely odd to me. Just as btdt claimed cop Onegu talked about something incredibly unimportant, and that was SW's post format. Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
Well guys. It's very simple. I didn't buy the claim of Doctor so I chose to counterclaim. If it was a fakeclaim => great, scum down! If not - Doc down. Awkward but that was supposed to happen N1 anyways.
So you can go all nuts like "noooes, btdt you scummer" and lynch into the Cop that I am - OR you can chill the fuck out and play this game calmly. Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 03:43 Onegu wrote:On January 09 2017 02:36 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 09 2017 02:29 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2017 02:27 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:
Can Silverwolf77 figure out how quotes work and edit her posts ? You can't edit your posts. But yea please preview your posts before you have badly formatted quotes please I already said I'm not gonna quote snip anymore but if there is a better way people want me to do it, I'm happy to go along with that. Otherwise I'll just copy the whole thing or use spoilers if needed. The easiest way to do it is copy the whole thing and then Bold or underline the part you want to talk about. Recognize the time stamps, there is a 13 minute difference. He is focusing on irrelevant things, and was around to respond to BTDT but ignored it
Timestamp comparison. That would be bold as scum. Suddenly, I'm not so sure about his alignment anymore.
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On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:Could you not
On January 08 2017 13:16 Kmatt wrote:What makes you say that?
Kmatt probably town.
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My passion is dying again
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My read on ikea :
On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:
are you town?
how long have you played mafia?
do you play elsewhere and if so where?
What is your typical play style?
how do you scumhunt/townhunt?
do you know anyone here that you can read very well?
to answer my own:
yes
about 4-5 years now on and off now
my typical style is to kinda talk to people and interact with others to try to get reads. most times it helps to have someone i know so i can quickly bounce with someone if they are town or lynch them if they are scum (hi silver)
kinda said as above, but to summarize it i hunt though interactions most of the time
yes, i can read silverwolf very well though watching and having interactions.
On January 06 2017 09:26 ika42 wrote:Hi silverwolf! could you answer my questions?
On January 06 2017 09:32 ika42 wrote:
should of quoted you too in it but you can read above
and ppl plz answer the questions i have aksed too
On January 06 2017 09:35 ika42 wrote:
why do you not want to answer them? its a great way to talk to people
On January 06 2017 22:48 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 22:42 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 22:40 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:
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I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol
But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? is that last part directed at me or vivak? cus you reference me in here but im not sure if its a direct at me due to me being here. Nah that's towards Vivax. I posted that at the same time as you did your flurry of recent posts. Speaking of which, what do you make of Vivax so far? null scum the post he made here: Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 13:38 Vivax wrote:I like these questions. Just the first is pointless, insert generic yes. Don't think anything related to them deserves to be alignment indicative, but it's a nice way of getting to know new faces, On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:
are you town? zzz.
how long have you played mafia? 6-7 years, I think?
do you play elsewhere and if so where? Town of Salem when I want a quick casual game where I can execute people in jail.
What is your typical play style? Agreeable and low activity as scum and abrasive, sometimes spammy as town.
how do you scumhunt/townhunt? That doesn't fit in a questionnaire.
do you know anyone here that you can read very well? Nah no one in the dead sure category.
is what sticks out to me right now. He goes "oh NAI stuff, let me claim its NAI and answer it" but the bigger thing is what is bolded. The way hes putting it out there (oh jsut punch in yes) feels like a guilty conscious of "well i'm scum who needs to put in generic sounding yes" cus i could of said to mine (or anyone for that matter) "why yes i am town", "lol, ya im town", hell someone could even say "nah im miller" or "im scum you got me" like i've asked that dozens of times and gotten anything from someone claiming to be a citizen (VT) to a jester who needs to be lynched by specific people. do i make sense? I kinda streamlined it
Now this is my summary of all this, if you think the survey is important. why didn't you go on Calix to answer it. Here in the very last post you make a big deal about Vivax's analysis, but you never asked Calix to fill it out. Infact you let her get away by just saying ' yeah I copy your style ikea, bla bla bla'. After this post he gets into an argument with Vivax about all the merits, but he doesn't ask Calix to fill it out.
On January 06 2017 10:54 ika42 wrote:
also in about an hr ill be gone, i am doing remodel at work
This is actually a common thread across all his posts, I don't know why you want to mention this shit in so many of your posts.
On January 06 2017 23:26 ika42 wrote:
FYI, i have been working overnights at work for remodle. Im tired and gonna pass out for a few hrs.
I am off today and sat though so sat will prob be when im most around.
Night everyone (even though its 8:26 in the morn)
here again...
Now I want to focus on these set of posts after we lynched Grack and Kmatt claims we have active PR in cop/vet
On January 08 2017 12:26 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 09:42 Kmatt wrote:
Yeah we have an active PR in either a cop or vet, if you have something to say might as well get it out there. its cop or vig....
On January 08 2017 13:02 ika42 wrote:
also kmatt is now town
On January 08 2017 13:20 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 13:16 Kmatt wrote:On January 08 2017 13:02 ika42 wrote:
also kmatt is now town What makes you say that? you town slipped that it was vet or cop scums knwo setup
A) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
B) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
C) 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
D) 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
What ? Just because someone says vet/cop doesn't make them town. The day had already passed, he knew that Grack was Doc. This could as well be a try at misinformation. They could be doing it on purpose. Its flawed logic. You just want to go around claiming everyone is town based on the flimsiest of evidence or giving nothing to back it up. You are my top scum read right now.
On January 08 2017 13:00 ika42 wrote:
He called both of us town.
there is no friendship bias. if you want a reason why i town read her i can make a post about it.
whats your read on em and silverwolf right now though?
Then why didn't you ? What were you waiting for ? Why did you make it so much later in the game ? Or did you even make it.
On January 08 2017 15:33 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +
As for the SW thingy all you have to do is look at the posts directed at me previous to that post when it looked to me like she adopted a less accusative tone and posted rather extensively. It was actually one of the better posts of the series as it wasn't just a bunch of accusations. But either way I don't put too much weight into this read and I prefer to reserve judgement on SW for now so I'm not going to quote the posts as I don't see the use for that now.
When I actually make a case I will quote relevant posts, cause after we're done with BTDT I'd like to draw attention to this one:
Im just gonna address this primary because the rest is just going to be cirular if i continue on the ohter stuff i want to hear the case now and the quote that say such things for sevral reasons: 1) shes my top town read so i want to sort that out for anyone who has doubts now I do2) in the post you quoted there she has self admitted to being tired that could explain the tone post itself. again this 'tired' argument and you use that to explain your read . lul. 3) If she backed down on you at any point its because she has found a stronger scum read to peruse. Maybe she was satisfied with what she saw form you and decided to drop it and then town read you. Or maybe because she's as scummy as ika is and doesn't want to look like she's pressuring someone too hard 4) if she accused you of something and you responded to it then she must be satisfied with it. If she didn't follow up you should point it out cus the only time i have ever seen her back down (town or scum) is when shes satisfied with her results. 4a) her scum game would prob just be going at you till the cows come home. the fact she has backed down means shes satisfied with what she was poking on about and decided to scum hunt elsewhere which is a town indicator of her not really, that's not sound logic, it could be the other way around too
This is extremely poor defense of his SW read.
On January 09 2017 01:54 ika42 wrote:
I question where you get the bolded for both me and SW. The last game you have played with us we were both scum and we both lacked emotions and investments in the thread
So is there a game your refrencing here or where this that come form?
So maybe you changed your playstyle because you probably got figured out last game.
On January 10 2017 04:26 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 04:18 Calix wrote:On January 10 2017 03:55 ika42 wrote:
wow this game died.... Still around? I'm free for a bit if you want to talk. Somewhat. Ive been poping in and out and dealing with some stuffWhat do you think of ME doubling down on wanting to lynch me next.
This shit again.
Now lets look at his read on reps
On January 10 2017 05:11 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 04:56 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 06:15 ika42 wrote:
rep is partner trying to save grak.
calling it now Also wondering what you make of squishy atm, now that Grack flipped town still scum lean on him. i re isoed the beggining and something pinged me. its his post about "how do you know hes town" (somewhere i can quote later) and kinda casting shade on KCS but not really pushing it. also a lot of his post are more theory related then game related
On January 10 2017 05:19 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 05:17 Calix wrote:On January 10 2017 05:13 beentheredonethat wrote:
You guys wasted D2. Congratulations. Not like I specifically asked you not to do that. #dropsMic #VTout
I'd take you more seriously if you contributed and didn't make inflammatory posts like this every other breath. You yourself consider that to be a scum tell. i was about to say he could be giving read or something
On January 10 2017 22:32 ika42 wrote:
i now read rep as town
I still think reps is scummy. I don't know what he said would make you change your evaluation of reps from scummy to town so soon.
As I said at the beginning of D2, I am in favor of bumping off ikea. There might have been stuff that I've missed but for me ikea is scummy
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I hadn't seen any of BTDT's posts when I started creating my own. My read on reps is still SCUM.
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On January 11 2017 04:20 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:My read on ikea : Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:
are you town?
how long have you played mafia?
do you play elsewhere and if so where?
What is your typical play style?
how do you scumhunt/townhunt?
do you know anyone here that you can read very well?
to answer my own:
yes
about 4-5 years now on and off now
my typical style is to kinda talk to people and interact with others to try to get reads. most times it helps to have someone i know so i can quickly bounce with someone if they are town or lynch them if they are scum (hi silver)
kinda said as above, but to summarize it i hunt though interactions most of the time
yes, i can read silverwolf very well though watching and having interactions. Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:25 SilverWolf77 wrote:
Hi all!!!! Hi silverwolf! could you answer my questions? Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:32 ika42 wrote:
should of quoted you too in it but you can read above
and ppl plz answer the questions i have aksed too Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:35 ika42 wrote:
why do you not want to answer them? its a great way to talk to people Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 22:48 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:42 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 22:40 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:
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But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? is that last part directed at me or vivak? cus you reference me in here but im not sure if its a direct at me due to me being here. Nah that's towards Vivax. I posted that at the same time as you did your flurry of recent posts. Speaking of which, what do you make of Vivax so far? null scum the post he made here: On January 06 2017 13:38 Vivax wrote:I like these questions. Just the first is pointless, insert generic yes. Don't think anything related to them deserves to be alignment indicative, but it's a nice way of getting to know new faces, On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:
are you town? zzz.
how long have you played mafia? 6-7 years, I think?
do you play elsewhere and if so where? Town of Salem when I want a quick casual game where I can execute people in jail.
What is your typical play style? Agreeable and low activity as scum and abrasive, sometimes spammy as town.
how do you scumhunt/townhunt? That doesn't fit in a questionnaire.
do you know anyone here that you can read very well? Nah no one in the dead sure category.
is what sticks out to me right now. He goes "oh NAI stuff, let me claim its NAI and answer it" but the bigger thing is what is bolded. The way hes putting it out there (oh jsut punch in yes) feels like a guilty conscious of "well i'm scum who needs to put in generic sounding yes" cus i could of said to mine (or anyone for that matter) "why yes i am town", "lol, ya im town", hell someone could even say "nah im miller" or "im scum you got me" like i've asked that dozens of times and gotten anything from someone claiming to be a citizen (VT) to a jester who needs to be lynched by specific people. do i make sense? I kinda streamlined it Now this is my summary of all this, if you think the survey is important. why didn't you go on Calix to answer it. Here in the very last post you make a big deal about Vivax's analysis, but you never asked Calix to fill it out. Infact you let her get away by just saying ' yeah I copy your style ikea, bla bla bla'. After this post he gets into an argument with Vivax about all the merits, but he doesn't ask Calix to fill it out. Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 10:54 ika42 wrote:
also in about an hr ill be gone, i am doing remodel at work This is actually a common thread across all his posts, I don't know why you want to mention this shit in so many of your posts. Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:26 ika42 wrote:
FYI, i have been working overnights at work for remodle. Im tired and gonna pass out for a few hrs.
I am off today and sat though so sat will prob be when im most around.
Night everyone (even though its 8:26 in the morn) here again... Now I want to focus on these set of posts after we lynched Grack and Kmatt claims we have active PR in cop/vet Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 12:26 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 09:42 Kmatt wrote:
Yeah we have an active PR in either a cop or vet, if you have something to say might as well get it out there. its cop or vig.... Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 13:20 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 13:16 Kmatt wrote:On January 08 2017 13:02 ika42 wrote:
also kmatt is now town What makes you say that? you town slipped that it was vet or cop scums knwo setup Show nested quote +
A) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
B) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
C) 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
D) 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
What ? Just because someone says vet/cop doesn't make them town. The day had already passed, he knew that Grack was Doc. This could as well be a try at misinformation. They could be doing it on purpose. Its flawed logic. You just want to go around claiming everyone is town based on the flimsiest of evidence or giving nothing to back it up. You are my top scum read right now. Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 13:00 ika42 wrote:
He called both of us town.
there is no friendship bias. if you want a reason why i town read her i can make a post about it.
whats your read on em and silverwolf right now though? Then why didn't you ? What were you waiting for ? Why did you make it so much later in the game ? Or did you even make it. Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 15:33 ika42 wrote:
As for the SW thingy all you have to do is look at the posts directed at me previous to that post when it looked to me like she adopted a less accusative tone and posted rather extensively. It was actually one of the better posts of the series as it wasn't just a bunch of accusations. But either way I don't put too much weight into this read and I prefer to reserve judgement on SW for now so I'm not going to quote the posts as I don't see the use for that now.
When I actually make a case I will quote relevant posts, cause after we're done with BTDT I'd like to draw attention to this one:
Im just gonna address this primary because the rest is just going to be cirular if i continue on the ohter stuff i want to hear the case now and the quote that say such things for sevral reasons: 1) shes my top town read so i want to sort that out for anyone who has doubts now I do2) in the post you quoted there she has self admitted to being tired that could explain the tone post itself. again this 'tired' argument and you use that to explain your read . lul. 3) If she backed down on you at any point its because she has found a stronger scum read to peruse. Maybe she was satisfied with what she saw form you and decided to drop it and then town read you. Or maybe because she's as scummy as ika is and doesn't want to look like she's pressuring someone too hard 4) if she accused you of something and you responded to it then she must be satisfied with it. If she didn't follow up you should point it out cus the only time i have ever seen her back down (town or scum) is when shes satisfied with her results. 4a) her scum game would prob just be going at you till the cows come home. the fact she has backed down means shes satisfied with what she was poking on about and decided to scum hunt elsewhere which is a town indicator of her not really, that's not sound logic, it could be the other way around too This is extremely poor defense of his SW read. Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 01:54 ika42 wrote:
I question where you get the bolded for both me and SW. The last game you have played with us we were both scum and we both lacked emotions and investments in the thread
So is there a game your refrencing here or where this that come form? So maybe you changed your playstyle because you probably got figured out last game. Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 04:26 ika42 wrote:On January 10 2017 04:18 Calix wrote:On January 10 2017 03:55 ika42 wrote:
wow this game died.... Still around? I'm free for a bit if you want to talk. Somewhat. Ive been poping in and out and dealing with some stuffWhat do you think of ME doubling down on wanting to lynch me next. This shit again. Now lets look at his read on reps Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 05:11 ika42 wrote:On January 10 2017 04:56 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 06:15 ika42 wrote:
rep is partner trying to save grak.
calling it now Also wondering what you make of squishy atm, now that Grack flipped town still scum lean on him. i re isoed the beggining and something pinged me. its his post about "how do you know hes town" (somewhere i can quote later) and kinda casting shade on KCS but not really pushing it. also a lot of his post are more theory related then game related Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 05:19 ika42 wrote:On January 10 2017 05:17 Calix wrote:On January 10 2017 05:13 beentheredonethat wrote:
You guys wasted D2. Congratulations. Not like I specifically asked you not to do that. #dropsMic #VTout
I'd take you more seriously if you contributed and didn't make inflammatory posts like this every other breath. You yourself consider that to be a scum tell. i was about to say he could be giving read or something I still think reps is scummy. I don't know what he said would make you change your evaluation of reps from scummy to town so soon. As I said at the beginning of D2, I am in favor of bumping off ikea. There might have been stuff that I've missed but for me ikea is scummy
I used to make those cases as scum. They look awesome but in the end those oneliner reactions aren't great. I don't think this case is too good.
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On January 11 2017 04:34 beentheredonethat wrote:
I used to make those cases as scum. They look awesome but in the end those oneliner reactions aren't great. I don't think this case is too good.
Can you let him say this for himself ? Or let Silverwolf77 let it say for him ? Because that's what those two have been doing all game. Defend each other.
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On January 11 2017 04:07 beentheredonethat wrote:reps)squishy should be lynched with fire. This is out of the question. Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 16:53 reps)squishy wrote:On January 06 2017 10:41 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:24 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:19 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:16 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:13 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:11 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:10 Calix wrote:
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Nothing is going to be ground-breaking at this point so that qualifier (from DF too in the post above) is 100% unnecessary.
I didn't approach the questionnaires like that. The VCA-style "X voter/ poster is scum" thing is useless as a metric.
What "good" reads do you have? yo just calm down alright My emotional state is irrelevant to the question. You claim to have reads, I'm asking for them. What's the point of saying "I have reads" and then be stubborn about sharing them? so what I did is I checked the order in which people responded to the questionnaire and the first ones to respond are clear town until we get to the people who were like 4th and onwards who are likely scum. 100% accurate I can't tell whether you're being serious or blowing me off here or both. If it's the former, I'd like to hear the rationale for that. nah not being serious, you just had no chill so it was fun to mess with you a bit. i thought your first post about michael was pretty good so your pretty towny to me. everyone else is suspect though. especially that kmatt dude If you think kmatt is suspect why did you vote Grack? cos silverwolf blew the whole thing wide open with his theory that maybe earlier posting was scum and not later posting. So I perfectly fused the two theories and my calculations said that 4th post was most likely mafia. You want a graph? I find this a bit scummy. He really can't get any leads from this and just throws out numbers. I do not think this logic is sound whatsoever. It would be fine if it was just begging of the game meme, but he actually did vote for Grack. Of topic: Typing Grack reminded me of this + Show Spoiler + So there's this huge conversation going on. Quote and quote and quote. And he "finds this a bit scummy." Why would you take a post that is obviously trolly so seriously? But he does: Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 05:13 reps)squishy wrote:On January 07 2017 04:38 Kmatt wrote:
Grackaroni
Still waiting on more. Like with SW, I don't scumread this guy enough to vote him, but I can see why Kelsier wouldn't like him. A bit too quick to jump the gun but I've done that myself and everyone plays D1 differently.
Kelsier's logic was based on Ika's questionnaire people who responded early would be town. Then I think it was SW said maybe to opposite mafia would want to respond quickly. So Kelsier "perfectly fused the two theories to make the 4th person who respond mafia. Grack just unfortunately posted 4th which Kelsier humorously then voted for him. So do you also believe in the post too early or too late you are possible scum so the in between is where it is at? If you don't believe Kelsier's hypothesis then this statement "I can see why Kelsier wouldn't like him." is not all that true I am not out to lynch Kelsier, just his lynch vote is not based on any logic or read I would find compelling. Townreads Onegu in a weird way: + Show Spoiler +On January 07 2017 11:32 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 09:24 Onegu wrote:On January 07 2017 08:31 darthfoley wrote:
@Calix Like do you really expect every player who goes AFK for a period of time to provide a reason why? If so, I can wait for the impending doom for btdt and Onegu lol You wont get reasons why I go afk. I used to provide them but then had a discussion over it with someone that it can cause people to make reads on me based on my reasons. So I have stopped posting them for the most part. Unless I know in a few days I have a doctors appointment and wont be around I normally tell people about it before hand but if something comes up and I am gone I just comeback and dont say anything anymore. Now that your caught up with the reading you could have told people who your leads are. Instead you have become entirely defensive about your activity, and BostonSC's failed vote for you. I want you to get on track since I kind of trust your VT claim. So here is a question for you. I am currently leaning toward Vivax myself because of SilverWolf77's response to my questioning. So why do you feel this way: Then, weird "suspicions that are not AI" on Vivax: Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:40 reps)squishy wrote:[b]@Grackaroni/b] your evidence that Vivax was a townie was no different than just singling out his post like you can do here. On January 07 2017 12:00 Grackaroni wrote:
If people want to lynch Vivax at the end of the day I will refute whatever arguments they put forth for him being scum and put forward my own arguments for whoever I want to lynch. I have suspicions of vivax nothing AI otherwise I would have voted. But a failure to show that he is a townie makes my suspicions grow. Do we honestly need to vote for Vivax for you to finally give evidence he is a townie? Being lazy here, but I'd lynch him at any point.
I do not like his motives for voting the 4th person. I took it seriously because he did lay down a vote because of that reasoning. So I criticized it. I don't want other people following this hoopla. I was also worried Grack's "I can see why Kelsier wouldn't like him" meant other people were following Kelsiers unorthodox logic.
I did take 1gu's VT claim to heart until I found out it is NAI.
Having suspicions and not saying they are AI is scummy? I don't equate suspicions to AI. That is my own opinion if you don't agree, let us agree to disagree, because the last thing we need is an argument over semantics.
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On January 11 2017 04:20 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:My read on ikea : Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:
are you town?
how long have you played mafia?
do you play elsewhere and if so where?
What is your typical play style?
how do you scumhunt/townhunt?
do you know anyone here that you can read very well?
to answer my own:
yes
about 4-5 years now on and off now
my typical style is to kinda talk to people and interact with others to try to get reads. most times it helps to have someone i know so i can quickly bounce with someone if they are town or lynch them if they are scum (hi silver)
kinda said as above, but to summarize it i hunt though interactions most of the time
yes, i can read silverwolf very well though watching and having interactions. Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:25 SilverWolf77 wrote:
Hi all!!!! Hi silverwolf! could you answer my questions? Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:32 ika42 wrote:
should of quoted you too in it but you can read above
and ppl plz answer the questions i have aksed too Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:35 ika42 wrote:
why do you not want to answer them? its a great way to talk to people Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 22:48 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:42 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 22:40 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:
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But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? is that last part directed at me or vivak? cus you reference me in here but im not sure if its a direct at me due to me being here. Nah that's towards Vivax. I posted that at the same time as you did your flurry of recent posts. Speaking of which, what do you make of Vivax so far? null scum the post he made here: On January 06 2017 13:38 Vivax wrote:I like these questions. Just the first is pointless, insert generic yes. Don't think anything related to them deserves to be alignment indicative, but it's a nice way of getting to know new faces, On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:
are you town? zzz.
how long have you played mafia? 6-7 years, I think?
do you play elsewhere and if so where? Town of Salem when I want a quick casual game where I can execute people in jail.
What is your typical play style? Agreeable and low activity as scum and abrasive, sometimes spammy as town.
how do you scumhunt/townhunt? That doesn't fit in a questionnaire.
do you know anyone here that you can read very well? Nah no one in the dead sure category.
is what sticks out to me right now. He goes "oh NAI stuff, let me claim its NAI and answer it" but the bigger thing is what is bolded. The way hes putting it out there (oh jsut punch in yes) feels like a guilty conscious of "well i'm scum who needs to put in generic sounding yes" cus i could of said to mine (or anyone for that matter) "why yes i am town", "lol, ya im town", hell someone could even say "nah im miller" or "im scum you got me" like i've asked that dozens of times and gotten anything from someone claiming to be a citizen (VT) to a jester who needs to be lynched by specific people. do i make sense? I kinda streamlined it Now this is my summary of all this, if you think the survey is important. why didn't you go on Calix to answer it. Here in the very last post you make a big deal about Vivax's analysis, but you never asked Calix to fill it out. Infact you let her get away by just saying ' yeah I copy your style ikea, bla bla bla'. After this post he gets into an argument with Vivax about all the merits, but he doesn't ask Calix to fill it out. Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 10:54 ika42 wrote:
also in about an hr ill be gone, i am doing remodel at work This is actually a common thread across all his posts, I don't know why you want to mention this shit in so many of your posts. Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:26 ika42 wrote:
FYI, i have been working overnights at work for remodle. Im tired and gonna pass out for a few hrs.
I am off today and sat though so sat will prob be when im most around.
Night everyone (even though its 8:26 in the morn) here again... Now I want to focus on these set of posts after we lynched Grack and Kmatt claims we have active PR in cop/vet Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 12:26 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 09:42 Kmatt wrote:
Yeah we have an active PR in either a cop or vet, if you have something to say might as well get it out there. its cop or vig.... Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 13:20 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 13:16 Kmatt wrote:On January 08 2017 13:02 ika42 wrote:
also kmatt is now town What makes you say that? you town slipped that it was vet or cop scums knwo setup Show nested quote +
A) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
B) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
C) 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
D) 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
What ? Just because someone says vet/cop doesn't make them town. The day had already passed, he knew that Grack was Doc. This could as well be a try at misinformation. They could be doing it on purpose. Its flawed logic. You just want to go around claiming everyone is town based on the flimsiest of evidence or giving nothing to back it up. You are my top scum read right now. Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 13:00 ika42 wrote:
He called both of us town.
there is no friendship bias. if you want a reason why i town read her i can make a post about it.
whats your read on em and silverwolf right now though? Then why didn't you ? What were you waiting for ? Why did you make it so much later in the game ? Or did you even make it. Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 15:33 ika42 wrote:
As for the SW thingy all you have to do is look at the posts directed at me previous to that post when it looked to me like she adopted a less accusative tone and posted rather extensively. It was actually one of the better posts of the series as it wasn't just a bunch of accusations. But either way I don't put too much weight into this read and I prefer to reserve judgement on SW for now so I'm not going to quote the posts as I don't see the use for that now.
When I actually make a case I will quote relevant posts, cause after we're done with BTDT I'd like to draw attention to this one:
Im just gonna address this primary because the rest is just going to be cirular if i continue on the ohter stuff i want to hear the case now and the quote that say such things for sevral reasons: 1) shes my top town read so i want to sort that out for anyone who has doubts now I do2) in the post you quoted there she has self admitted to being tired that could explain the tone post itself. again this 'tired' argument and you use that to explain your read . lul. 3) If she backed down on you at any point its because she has found a stronger scum read to peruse. Maybe she was satisfied with what she saw form you and decided to drop it and then town read you. Or maybe because she's as scummy as ika is and doesn't want to look like she's pressuring someone too hard 4) if she accused you of something and you responded to it then she must be satisfied with it. If she didn't follow up you should point it out cus the only time i have ever seen her back down (town or scum) is when shes satisfied with her results. 4a) her scum game would prob just be going at you till the cows come home. the fact she has backed down means shes satisfied with what she was poking on about and decided to scum hunt elsewhere which is a town indicator of her not really, that's not sound logic, it could be the other way around too This is extremely poor defense of his SW read. Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 01:54 ika42 wrote:
I question where you get the bolded for both me and SW. The last game you have played with us we were both scum and we both lacked emotions and investments in the thread
So is there a game your refrencing here or where this that come form? So maybe you changed your playstyle because you probably got figured out last game. Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 04:26 ika42 wrote:On January 10 2017 04:18 Calix wrote:On January 10 2017 03:55 ika42 wrote:
wow this game died.... Still around? I'm free for a bit if you want to talk. Somewhat. Ive been poping in and out and dealing with some stuffWhat do you think of ME doubling down on wanting to lynch me next. This shit again. Now lets look at his read on reps Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 05:11 ika42 wrote:On January 10 2017 04:56 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 06:15 ika42 wrote:
rep is partner trying to save grak.
calling it now Also wondering what you make of squishy atm, now that Grack flipped town still scum lean on him. i re isoed the beggining and something pinged me. its his post about "how do you know hes town" (somewhere i can quote later) and kinda casting shade on KCS but not really pushing it. also a lot of his post are more theory related then game related Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 05:19 ika42 wrote:On January 10 2017 05:17 Calix wrote:On January 10 2017 05:13 beentheredonethat wrote:
You guys wasted D2. Congratulations. Not like I specifically asked you not to do that. #dropsMic #VTout
I'd take you more seriously if you contributed and didn't make inflammatory posts like this every other breath. You yourself consider that to be a scum tell. i was about to say he could be giving read or something I still think reps is scummy. I don't know what he said would make you change your evaluation of reps from scummy to town so soon.
As I said at the beginning of D2, I am in favor of bumping off ikea. There might have been stuff that I've missed but for me ikea is scummy
What are you doing? If you want to see why he was convinced that I was town you cannot read a filter. You are only seeing his posts...
I would like to know why you think I am scum.
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beentheredonethat (7) : Kmatt, ika42, SilverWolf77, darthfoley, Calix, Onegu, reps)squishy
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Ugh this is especially frustrating because the effort from btdt just seems too much for scum to do when they know they're gonna die, unless he wants to set up uber wifom.
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On January 11 2017 04:55 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 04:07 beentheredonethat wrote:reps)squishy should be lynched with fire. This is out of the question. On January 06 2017 16:53 reps)squishy wrote:On January 06 2017 10:41 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:24 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:19 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:16 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:13 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:11 KelsierSC wrote:
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yo just calm down alright My emotional state is irrelevant to the question. You claim to have reads, I'm asking for them. What's the point of saying "I have reads" and then be stubborn about sharing them? so what I did is I checked the order in which people responded to the questionnaire and the first ones to respond are clear town until we get to the people who were like 4th and onwards who are likely scum. 100% accurate I can't tell whether you're being serious or blowing me off here or both. If it's the former, I'd like to hear the rationale for that. nah not being serious, you just had no chill so it was fun to mess with you a bit. i thought your first post about michael was pretty good so your pretty towny to me. everyone else is suspect though. especially that kmatt dude If you think kmatt is suspect why did you vote Grack? cos silverwolf blew the whole thing wide open with his theory that maybe earlier posting was scum and not later posting. So I perfectly fused the two theories and my calculations said that 4th post was most likely mafia. You want a graph? I find this a bit scummy. He really can't get any leads from this and just throws out numbers. I do not think this logic is sound whatsoever. It would be fine if it was just begging of the game meme, but he actually did vote for Grack. Of topic: Typing Grack reminded me of this + Show Spoiler + So there's this huge conversation going on. Quote and quote and quote. And he "finds this a bit scummy." Why would you take a post that is obviously trolly so seriously? But he does: On January 07 2017 05:13 reps)squishy wrote:On January 07 2017 04:38 Kmatt wrote:
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Still waiting on more. Like with SW, I don't scumread this guy enough to vote him, but I can see why Kelsier wouldn't like him. A bit too quick to jump the gun but I've done that myself and everyone plays D1 differently.
Kelsier's logic was based on Ika's questionnaire people who responded early would be town. Then I think it was SW said maybe to opposite mafia would want to respond quickly. So Kelsier "perfectly fused the two theories to make the 4th person who respond mafia. Grack just unfortunately posted 4th which Kelsier humorously then voted for him. So do you also believe in the post too early or too late you are possible scum so the in between is where it is at? If you don't believe Kelsier's hypothesis then this statement "I can see why Kelsier wouldn't like him." is not all that true I am not out to lynch Kelsier, just his lynch vote is not based on any logic or read I would find compelling. Townreads Onegu in a weird way: + Show Spoiler +On January 07 2017 11:32 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 09:24 Onegu wrote:On January 07 2017 08:31 darthfoley wrote:
@Calix Like do you really expect every player who goes AFK for a period of time to provide a reason why? If so, I can wait for the impending doom for btdt and Onegu lol You wont get reasons why I go afk. I used to provide them but then had a discussion over it with someone that it can cause people to make reads on me based on my reasons. So I have stopped posting them for the most part. Unless I know in a few days I have a doctors appointment and wont be around I normally tell people about it before hand but if something comes up and I am gone I just comeback and dont say anything anymore. Now that your caught up with the reading you could have told people who your leads are. Instead you have become entirely defensive about your activity, and BostonSC's failed vote for you. I want you to get on track since I kind of trust your VT claim. So here is a question for you. I am currently leaning toward Vivax myself because of SilverWolf77's response to my questioning. So why do you feel this way: Then, weird "suspicions that are not AI" on Vivax: On January 07 2017 12:40 reps)squishy wrote:@Grackaroni/b]
your evidence that Vivax was a townie was no different than just singling out his post like you can do here.
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If people want to lynch Vivax at the end of the day I will refute whatever arguments they put forth for him being scum and put forward my own arguments for whoever I want to lynch.
I have suspicions of vivax nothing AI otherwise I would have voted. But a failure to show that he is a townie makes my suspicions grow. Do we honestly need to vote for Vivax for you to finally give evidence he is a townie? Being lazy here, but I'd lynch him at any point. [b]I do not like his motives for voting the 4th person. I took it seriously because he did lay down a vote because of that reasoning. So I criticized it. I don't want other people following this hoopla. I was also worried Grack's "I can see why Kelsier wouldn't like him" meant other people were following Kelsiers unorthodox logic. I did take 1gu's VT claim to heart until I found out it is NAI. Having suspicions and not saying they are AI is scummy? I don't equate suspicions to AI. That is my own opinion if you don't agree, let us agree to disagree, because the last thing we need is an argument over semantics.
His point is that people often vote randomly early game, just to be trolls or whatever, but you took it more seriously than it deserved at the time. Scum often want to seem like they're scum hunting, so going for someone that is trolling early game is kind of low hanging fruit and something I could see you trying to do to seem helpful.
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On January 11 2017 04:40 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 04:34 beentheredonethat wrote:
I used to make those cases as scum. They look awesome but in the end those oneliner reactions aren't great. I don't think this case is too good. Can you let him say this for himself ? Or let Silverwolf77 let it say for him ? Because that's what those two have been doing all game. Defend each other.
This is basically what i'm paranoid about... there is no paranoia between them lol
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lol wtf did I just walk back into?
On January 11 2017 05:15 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 04:40 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:On January 11 2017 04:34 beentheredonethat wrote:
I used to make those cases as scum. They look awesome but in the end those oneliner reactions aren't great. I don't think this case is too good. Can you let him say this for himself ? Or let Silverwolf77 let it say for him ? Because that's what those two have been doing all game. Defend each other. This is basically what i'm paranoid about... there is no paranoia between them lol
If SW/ ika are two of the scum then we are super-fucked, but I don't think that's the case.
However I don't buy into the whole "soul read" thing they have (if for no other reason than it dumbs down the game) and I wouldn't recommend that people rely on those when reading the two of them.
As for the actual cases being made, lemme read up now.
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Can I get the current scum reads of both SW and ika... separately if possible?
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