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On January 11 2017 06:01 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 05:53 Calix wrote:On January 11 2017 05:49 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:On January 11 2017 05:45 Calix wrote:On January 11 2017 05:42 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:On January 11 2017 05:29 Calix wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
ME's post also does not make a great deal of sense. I'll admit to only skimming that one but any 'case' with that many quotes needed is going to be mediocre at best.
Also for the love of Christ, can people please spoiler the text walls if you're gonna respond to them?
Ok. On January 11 2017 05:34 Calix wrote:
This is actually readable, thank God.
Talking about people mentioning RL/ activity reasons/ etc is NOT something that should be used to determine someone's alignment. It really gets on my nerves when people speculate whether someone is lying about their RL issues because all that does is piss off the suspect in question and it does NOTHING.
Re: the actual read here, how do those posts 'try to look useful'?
I don't see an apology there so I do not understand your jump to your last line, nor do I see how any of this is AI. ok, noted, but I don't think people should keep mentioning RL activity. What do you mean by you don't see an apology there ? "If you are contributing for quality over quantity, would you not already point out holes in ika's argument rather than come up with an apology." Where is the apology you refer to? There isn't one in the quote you referenced when you wrote that line. Do you actually have to say 'Sorry' for it to count as an apology. Look at the tone of his posts earlier, now suddenly he goes on to say that, I'll re-read, if he wants to contribute with quality over quantity ( which frankly should be everyone's goal ), shouldn't he already be on top of that post. He doesn't throw shade at it later, doesn't explain why he changed his opinion, when he had questioned it earlier. Uh, yes? I have no idea what the rest of this says and I've probably lost brain cells trying to comprehend this. What can you not understand, here I'll fucking BULLET IT FOR YOU : 1. reps squishy is SCUM 2. reps squishy said : I value quality not quantity 3. reps squishy questions ika's read on Silverwolf77, ika says SW is town. 4. ika says did you read my arguments 5. reps says ' yes, but i'll have to re-read them' 6. why does reps have to re-read them when his earlier stated philosophy is : ' quality over quantity' 7. why is he not on top of ika, questioning his arguments 8. why does he not say why he changed his opinion on ika's read whne he questioned him earlier
2) I do value quality over quantity.
3) If I recall you questioned him on his SW read as well, it was not all that apparent.
6) It is because that philosophy goes towards posting. I am not making as many posts as SW/Calix/Ika/DF so I want to make up for it by making them meaningful
Please articulate 7 & 8
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On January 11 2017 06:00 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 05:56 darthfoley wrote:On January 11 2017 05:55 Calix wrote:
I can literally feel a headache coming on from trying to understand what half of these posts the past two pages are even saying. What do you make of SW's response to btdt, considering my post ^ I found it hard to read but when I actually look at the contents of the entire post, you're right. It's an awful lot of words for a defense which isn't needed and most of the defense is not even that good. I didn't find any of the points compelling is what I mean there.
Why do you think the defense isn't needed? If you feel this way, why didn't you ask me about it or comment on it until darthfoley brought it up?
I've never seen you have trouble reading posts or understanding them before. This seems really odd for you.
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On January 11 2017 06:07 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 05:54 darthfoley wrote:On January 11 2017 05:23 SilverWolf77 wrote:
That case on ika is incredibly bad ME. I'll let him address it though but that's my opinion on it. It looks really fabricated and scummy.
bdtd-I'm here and if you think I'm avoiding the thread or trying not to do anything, then you are misrepping me badly. I have no problem addressing all your points in detail and anything else anyone wants to talk about.
First, I don't believe your roleblock claim because you lied about being the doc getting the real doc lynched, then claimed cop, then claimed VT, then claimed cop, then VT and now you say you are roleblocked. I don't believe a word you say. I think you should be lynched. Period. You've been lying all game. You have been flailing ever since. So no, I'm not going to reconsider wanting to lynch you.
There is nothing wrong with my Onegu filter. I had no read on him. That's how I got one. null town just means he is leaning town but has a lot of null posts so it isn't a strong townread. I went from null to town on him and I showed how I got there. I did the same on Squishy-I had no read and kept going back and forth-so now I have one. Town should always be reanalyzing their reads and make sure they are correct. If you don't know what null town means, you need to ask me instead of making false assumptions about it. You must be o.k. with my Reps filter since you said nothing about it.
I'm not the least afraid of pressuring Onegu or doing something this day phase. That is just serious misrep and it's scummy as hell. I have been here and am willing to answer any question directed at me including discussion of my reads and posts on filters, etc. You are basically calling one of the most active players afraid to do something. Yeah, no.
You saying it's incredibly scummy that I'm not feeling well and tired is BS. I have been sick for two days and have been going to the hospital everyday for radiation therapy. DO NOT EVER go after me for real life again.
You saying my townread on ika is scummy is complete crap since you also have a townread on him. I'm not praising ika at all-again complete and total misrep. I'm explaining why I think he's town because I have extensive experience with him. As far as paranoia goes or being too sure he's town, he's my strongest townread based on nearly 100 posts he's put into this game and my experience with him. If I had said right away, I think he's town, you'd have a point but I didn't.
That last part is me telling you to give reads if your town and the fact that you didn't was me thinking you are scum. Also, you went after me for RL again. I was at the dr. office so I couldn't post more than that. If that's the only thing I posted all day, I could let it go BUT I've been doing more than that. You are just ignoring it to fit your narrative that I'm trying to look active. Considering how many posts I've put into this game, that's just completely wrong.
I believe you are selectively pointing out posts I made this day phase and shifting them to fit your narrative that they are scummy when they are clearly town oriented and that's scummy as shit. Get lynched.
Why you feel the need to go through his post point by point and refute it all when 1) You think he's mafia 2) He's 1000% getting lynched today This just feels a little too defensive for my liking. Can you focus on someone besides btdt? Like what do you make of Calix/ME/B0ston etc... anyone that isn't BTDT. If you're town literally the last thing we need is to continue to tilt. I've already said I think scum are in ME, B0ston, btdt, Kelsier group. I am going to go through yours, Calix, ME, B0ston filters before day end to make sure I still feel that way. I'm also paying attention to the Calix/ME interaction. And why on Earth would a town member not respond to points made against them? Ignoring stuff like that is scummy. I don't care who it's from. Like, I fully expect ika to respond to ME's points on him no matter what he thinks of ME when he get in here next.
ika responding to ME is not the same as you writing a wall of text towards someone you think is scum and who is also getting for certain lynched in 3 hours lol.
Yea i'm also gonna go through Calix/ME/Onegu's filters later.
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On January 11 2017 06:12 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 06:00 Calix wrote:On January 11 2017 05:56 darthfoley wrote:On January 11 2017 05:55 Calix wrote:
I can literally feel a headache coming on from trying to understand what half of these posts the past two pages are even saying. What do you make of SW's response to btdt, considering my post ^ I found it hard to read but when I actually look at the contents of the entire post, you're right. It's an awful lot of words for a defense which isn't needed and most of the defense is not even that good. I didn't find any of the points compelling is what I mean there. Why do you think the defense isn't needed? If you feel this way, why didn't you ask me about it or comment on it until darthfoley brought it up? I've never seen you have trouble reading posts or understanding them before. This seems really odd for you.
Not so much the actual having a defense as it is the timing and level of effort put into it as the case was poor and BTDT has not flipped yet so you don't know whether you wasted time on responding in that much depth (if he's mafia and you're town) when you could have acknowledged it in a few sentences.
I didn't pay it much attention because I was focusing on the more questionable players who were posting.
It's not odd for me to have trouble comprehending multitudes of bad arguments and I'm having a hard time having it all sink in. I'll have to reread them later when I'm not in the fray.
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On January 11 2017 06:13 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 06:07 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 11 2017 05:54 darthfoley wrote:On January 11 2017 05:23 SilverWolf77 wrote:
That case on ika is incredibly bad ME. I'll let him address it though but that's my opinion on it. It looks really fabricated and scummy.
bdtd-I'm here and if you think I'm avoiding the thread or trying not to do anything, then you are misrepping me badly. I have no problem addressing all your points in detail and anything else anyone wants to talk about.
First, I don't believe your roleblock claim because you lied about being the doc getting the real doc lynched, then claimed cop, then claimed VT, then claimed cop, then VT and now you say you are roleblocked. I don't believe a word you say. I think you should be lynched. Period. You've been lying all game. You have been flailing ever since. So no, I'm not going to reconsider wanting to lynch you.
There is nothing wrong with my Onegu filter. I had no read on him. That's how I got one. null town just means he is leaning town but has a lot of null posts so it isn't a strong townread. I went from null to town on him and I showed how I got there. I did the same on Squishy-I had no read and kept going back and forth-so now I have one. Town should always be reanalyzing their reads and make sure they are correct. If you don't know what null town means, you need to ask me instead of making false assumptions about it. You must be o.k. with my Reps filter since you said nothing about it.
I'm not the least afraid of pressuring Onegu or doing something this day phase. That is just serious misrep and it's scummy as hell. I have been here and am willing to answer any question directed at me including discussion of my reads and posts on filters, etc. You are basically calling one of the most active players afraid to do something. Yeah, no.
You saying it's incredibly scummy that I'm not feeling well and tired is BS. I have been sick for two days and have been going to the hospital everyday for radiation therapy. DO NOT EVER go after me for real life again.
You saying my townread on ika is scummy is complete crap since you also have a townread on him. I'm not praising ika at all-again complete and total misrep. I'm explaining why I think he's town because I have extensive experience with him. As far as paranoia goes or being too sure he's town, he's my strongest townread based on nearly 100 posts he's put into this game and my experience with him. If I had said right away, I think he's town, you'd have a point but I didn't.
That last part is me telling you to give reads if your town and the fact that you didn't was me thinking you are scum. Also, you went after me for RL again. I was at the dr. office so I couldn't post more than that. If that's the only thing I posted all day, I could let it go BUT I've been doing more than that. You are just ignoring it to fit your narrative that I'm trying to look active. Considering how many posts I've put into this game, that's just completely wrong.
I believe you are selectively pointing out posts I made this day phase and shifting them to fit your narrative that they are scummy when they are clearly town oriented and that's scummy as shit. Get lynched.
Why you feel the need to go through his post point by point and refute it all when 1) You think he's mafia 2) He's 1000% getting lynched today This just feels a little too defensive for my liking. Can you focus on someone besides btdt? Like what do you make of Calix/ME/B0ston etc... anyone that isn't BTDT. If you're town literally the last thing we need is to continue to tilt. I've already said I think scum are in ME, B0ston, btdt, Kelsier group. I am going to go through yours, Calix, ME, B0ston filters before day end to make sure I still feel that way. I'm also paying attention to the Calix/ME interaction. And why on Earth would a town member not respond to points made against them? Ignoring stuff like that is scummy. I don't care who it's from. Like, I fully expect ika to respond to ME's points on him no matter what he thinks of ME when he get in here next. ika responding to ME is not the same as you writing a wall of text towards someone you think is scum and who is also getting for certain lynched in 3 hours lol. Yea i'm also gonna go through Calix/ME/Onegu's filters later.
I never ignore my scumreads even if they are up for a lynch. I always want them to talk as much as possible.
I'd love to get your read on Calix? You guys talk to each other a lot but I'm not sure you've said how you read her yet.
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On January 11 2017 06:19 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 06:12 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 11 2017 06:00 Calix wrote:On January 11 2017 05:56 darthfoley wrote:On January 11 2017 05:55 Calix wrote:
I can literally feel a headache coming on from trying to understand what half of these posts the past two pages are even saying. What do you make of SW's response to btdt, considering my post ^ I found it hard to read but when I actually look at the contents of the entire post, you're right. It's an awful lot of words for a defense which isn't needed and most of the defense is not even that good. I didn't find any of the points compelling is what I mean there. Why do you think the defense isn't needed? If you feel this way, why didn't you ask me about it or comment on it until darthfoley brought it up? I've never seen you have trouble reading posts or understanding them before. This seems really odd for you. Not so much the actual having a defense as it is the timing and level of effort put into it as the case was poor and BTDT has not flipped yet so you don't know whether you wasted time on responding in that much depth (if he's mafia and you're town) when you could have acknowledged it in a few sentences. I didn't pay it much attention because I was focusing on the more questionable players who were posting. It's not odd for me to have trouble comprehending multitudes of bad arguments and I'm having a hard time having it all sink in. I'll have to reread them later when I'm not in the fray.
Fair enough.
I do like the way you are questioning ME on his case on ika. It's really bad and I think he's struggling to make it make sense or be logical.
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On January 11 2017 06:24 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 06:19 Calix wrote:On January 11 2017 06:12 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 11 2017 06:00 Calix wrote:On January 11 2017 05:56 darthfoley wrote:On January 11 2017 05:55 Calix wrote:
I can literally feel a headache coming on from trying to understand what half of these posts the past two pages are even saying. What do you make of SW's response to btdt, considering my post ^ I found it hard to read but when I actually look at the contents of the entire post, you're right. It's an awful lot of words for a defense which isn't needed and most of the defense is not even that good. I didn't find any of the points compelling is what I mean there. Why do you think the defense isn't needed? If you feel this way, why didn't you ask me about it or comment on it until darthfoley brought it up? I've never seen you have trouble reading posts or understanding them before. This seems really odd for you. Not so much the actual having a defense as it is the timing and level of effort put into it as the case was poor and BTDT has not flipped yet so you don't know whether you wasted time on responding in that much depth (if he's mafia and you're town) when you could have acknowledged it in a few sentences. I didn't pay it much attention because I was focusing on the more questionable players who were posting. It's not odd for me to have trouble comprehending multitudes of bad arguments and I'm having a hard time having it all sink in. I'll have to reread them later when I'm not in the fray. Fair enough. I do like the way you are questioning ME on his case on ika. It's really bad and I think he's struggling to make it make sense or be logical.
I'm gonna pop off for a bit as I actually do have a headache so if you have time now then check my filter so I can read it when I get back.
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On January 11 2017 06:29 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 06:24 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 11 2017 06:19 Calix wrote:On January 11 2017 06:12 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 11 2017 06:00 Calix wrote:On January 11 2017 05:56 darthfoley wrote:On January 11 2017 05:55 Calix wrote:
I can literally feel a headache coming on from trying to understand what half of these posts the past two pages are even saying. What do you make of SW's response to btdt, considering my post ^ I found it hard to read but when I actually look at the contents of the entire post, you're right. It's an awful lot of words for a defense which isn't needed and most of the defense is not even that good. I didn't find any of the points compelling is what I mean there. Why do you think the defense isn't needed? If you feel this way, why didn't you ask me about it or comment on it until darthfoley brought it up? I've never seen you have trouble reading posts or understanding them before. This seems really odd for you. Not so much the actual having a defense as it is the timing and level of effort put into it as the case was poor and BTDT has not flipped yet so you don't know whether you wasted time on responding in that much depth (if he's mafia and you're town) when you could have acknowledged it in a few sentences. I didn't pay it much attention because I was focusing on the more questionable players who were posting. It's not odd for me to have trouble comprehending multitudes of bad arguments and I'm having a hard time having it all sink in. I'll have to reread them later when I'm not in the fray. Fair enough. I do like the way you are questioning ME on his case on ika. It's really bad and I think he's struggling to make it make sense or be logical. I'm gonna pop off for a bit as I actually do have a headache so if you have time now then check my filter so I can read it when I get back.
Sure I'll do that next.
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On January 11 2017 06:24 SilverWolf77 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 11 2017 06:19 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 06:12 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 11 2017 06:00 Calix wrote:On January 11 2017 05:56 darthfoley wrote:On January 11 2017 05:55 Calix wrote:
I can literally feel a headache coming on from trying to understand what half of these posts the past two pages are even saying. What do you make of SW's response to btdt, considering my post ^ I found it hard to read but when I actually look at the contents of the entire post, you're right. It's an awful lot of words for a defense which isn't needed and most of the defense is not even that good. I didn't find any of the points compelling is what I mean there. Why do you think the defense isn't needed? If you feel this way, why didn't you ask me about it or comment on it until darthfoley brought it up? I've never seen you have trouble reading posts or understanding them before. This seems really odd for you. Not so much the actual having a defense as it is the timing and level of effort put into it as the case was poor and BTDT has not flipped yet so you don't know whether you wasted time on responding in that much depth (if he's mafia and you're town) when you could have acknowledged it in a few sentences. I didn't pay it much attention because I was focusing on the more questionable players who were posting. It's not odd for me to have trouble comprehending multitudes of bad arguments and I'm having a hard time having it all sink in. I'll have to reread them later when I'm not in the fray. Fair enough. I do like the way you are questioning ME on his case on ika. It's really bad and I think he's struggling to make it make sense or be logical.
Why are you so focused on ika ? She's questioning my case on reps, not on ika. She didn't even question my case on ika, she dismissed it almost immediately.
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One thing I do want to say is Calix and darth reactions to my defense bug me somewhat. Not that they don't have a right to think its bad but more the timing of it all and the fact they basically say the same thing about it. I don't really think these two have any suspicion of each other right now and it seems they are working together. I know Calix likes to work with her townreads as town but I don't know how darth plays. It bothers me a little bit that he might be trying to get Calix into his corner on things. That's why I asked him for his read on her.
I just want to throw this out there for now. It not a huge issue. I think a much bigger issue is ME's inability to case a scumread.
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On January 11 2017 06:35 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 06:24 SilverWolf77 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 11 2017 06:19 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 06:12 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 11 2017 06:00 Calix wrote:On January 11 2017 05:56 darthfoley wrote:On January 11 2017 05:55 Calix wrote:
I can literally feel a headache coming on from trying to understand what half of these posts the past two pages are even saying. What do you make of SW's response to btdt, considering my post ^ I found it hard to read but when I actually look at the contents of the entire post, you're right. It's an awful lot of words for a defense which isn't needed and most of the defense is not even that good. I didn't find any of the points compelling is what I mean there. Why do you think the defense isn't needed? If you feel this way, why didn't you ask me about it or comment on it until darthfoley brought it up? I've never seen you have trouble reading posts or understanding them before. This seems really odd for you. Not so much the actual having a defense as it is the timing and level of effort put into it as the case was poor and BTDT has not flipped yet so you don't know whether you wasted time on responding in that much depth (if he's mafia and you're town) when you could have acknowledged it in a few sentences. I didn't pay it much attention because I was focusing on the more questionable players who were posting. It's not odd for me to have trouble comprehending multitudes of bad arguments and I'm having a hard time having it all sink in. I'll have to reread them later when I'm not in the fray. Fair enough. I do like the way you are questioning ME on his case on ika. It's really bad and I think he's struggling to make it make sense or be logical. Why are you so focused on ika ? She's questioning my case on reps, not on ika. She didn't even question my case on ika, she dismissed it almost immediately.
Because I think the case was bad and I think you are having trouble articulating a case on him that makes sense. You started with fuck this guy, lets lynch him. Then you went to RL issues witch are NAI. Some of your points I want him to address so I'll leave those out. You're right. She said your ika case was mediocre and dismissed it. I still like her questioning of you on Reps case because that was also pretty bad as well.
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I shall vote but I'm not really here. currently pen and paper.
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Calix: Just gonna flesh out the major points.
I don't think her saying her low activity play is 10 times better than most people's play as something she'd do as scum. IIRC, she's far more passive as scum than town. Her last town game was very aggressive.
I like how she's immediately jumping into the game pointing out scummy things. She's making a lot of observations on things that stick out to her and I find myself agreeing with most of them. She always comments on the major things going on and isn't afraid to question people with direct points. Town points here.
This post bugs me a bit because it's very passive of her. Like, instead of pushing her point home, she just backs off:
On January 07 2017 01:57 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 01:54 Vivax wrote:On January 07 2017 01:52 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 01:48 Vivax wrote:
So far you and Ika both asked such loaded questions that already imply I did something I did not. Obviously you're not going to get a nice answer to "Do you always beat your wife" type of questions. Your point? If you ask shitty questions you get shitty answers If you think playing 20 questions sucks then I'll let you do something else. I'd rather take a nap or something than have a lengthy discussion tbh lol.
I don't want to sound too full of my self but she does have a soft defense of ika and myself as town or not scum indicative on the things others are pointing out. I think if she was scum she'd want at least one of us gone by either mislynch or kill and she's doing nothing to make that happen. If anything, she's stopping any kind of lynch.
She's got 9 pages of filter and most of it is really trying to drive the game forward and except that one post and her being a little too agreeable with darth, I'd say she's solid town.
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On January 11 2017 04:20 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:My read on ikea : Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:
are you town?
how long have you played mafia?
do you play elsewhere and if so where?
What is your typical play style?
how do you scumhunt/townhunt?
do you know anyone here that you can read very well?
to answer my own:
yes
about 4-5 years now on and off now
my typical style is to kinda talk to people and interact with others to try to get reads. most times it helps to have someone i know so i can quickly bounce with someone if they are town or lynch them if they are scum (hi silver)
kinda said as above, but to summarize it i hunt though interactions most of the time
yes, i can read silverwolf very well though watching and having interactions. Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:25 SilverWolf77 wrote:
Hi all!!!! Hi silverwolf! could you answer my questions? Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:32 ika42 wrote:
should of quoted you too in it but you can read above
and ppl plz answer the questions i have aksed too Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:35 ika42 wrote:
why do you not want to answer them? its a great way to talk to people Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 22:48 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:42 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 22:40 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:
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But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? is that last part directed at me or vivak? cus you reference me in here but im not sure if its a direct at me due to me being here. Nah that's towards Vivax. I posted that at the same time as you did your flurry of recent posts. Speaking of which, what do you make of Vivax so far? null scum the post he made here: On January 06 2017 13:38 Vivax wrote:I like these questions. Just the first is pointless, insert generic yes. Don't think anything related to them deserves to be alignment indicative, but it's a nice way of getting to know new faces, On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:
are you town? zzz.
how long have you played mafia? 6-7 years, I think?
do you play elsewhere and if so where? Town of Salem when I want a quick casual game where I can execute people in jail.
What is your typical play style? Agreeable and low activity as scum and abrasive, sometimes spammy as town.
how do you scumhunt/townhunt? That doesn't fit in a questionnaire.
do you know anyone here that you can read very well? Nah no one in the dead sure category.
is what sticks out to me right now. He goes "oh NAI stuff, let me claim its NAI and answer it" but the bigger thing is what is bolded. The way hes putting it out there (oh jsut punch in yes) feels like a guilty conscious of "well i'm scum who needs to put in generic sounding yes" cus i could of said to mine (or anyone for that matter) "why yes i am town", "lol, ya im town", hell someone could even say "nah im miller" or "im scum you got me" like i've asked that dozens of times and gotten anything from someone claiming to be a citizen (VT) to a jester who needs to be lynched by specific people. do i make sense? I kinda streamlined it 1) Now this is my summary of all this, if you think the survey is important. why didn't you go on Calix to answer it. Here in the very last post you make a big deal about Vivax's analysis, but you never asked Calix to fill it out. Infact you let her get away by just saying ' yeah I copy your style ikea, bla bla bla'. After this post he gets into an argument with Vivax about all the merits, but he doesn't ask Calix to fill it out. Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 10:54 ika42 wrote:
also in about an hr ill be gone, i am doing remodel at work This is actually a common thread across all his posts, I don't know why you want to mention this shit in so many of your posts. Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:26 ika42 wrote:
FYI, i have been working overnights at work for remodle. Im tired and gonna pass out for a few hrs.
I am off today and sat though so sat will prob be when im most around.
Night everyone (even though its 8:26 in the morn) 2) here again... Now I want to focus on these set of posts after we lynched Grack and Kmatt claims we have active PR in cop/vet Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 12:26 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 09:42 Kmatt wrote:
Yeah we have an active PR in either a cop or vet, if you have something to say might as well get it out there. its cop or vig.... Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 13:20 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 13:16 Kmatt wrote:On January 08 2017 13:02 ika42 wrote:
also kmatt is now town What makes you say that? you town slipped that it was vet or cop scums knwo setup Show nested quote +
A) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
B) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
C) 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
D) 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
3) What ? Just because someone says vet/cop doesn't make them town. The day had already passed, he knew that Grack was Doc. This could as well be a try at misinformation. They could be doing it on purpose. Its flawed logic. You just want to go around claiming everyone is town based on the flimsiest of evidence or giving nothing to back it up. You are my top scum read right now. Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 13:00 ika42 wrote:
He called both of us town.
there is no friendship bias. if you want a reason why i town read her i can make a post about it.
whats your read on em and silverwolf right now though? 4) Then why didn't you ? What were you waiting for ? Why did you make it so much later in the game ? Or did you even make it. Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 15:33 ika42 wrote:
As for the SW thingy all you have to do is look at the posts directed at me previous to that post when it looked to me like she adopted a less accusative tone and posted rather extensively. It was actually one of the better posts of the series as it wasn't just a bunch of accusations. But either way I don't put too much weight into this read and I prefer to reserve judgement on SW for now so I'm not going to quote the posts as I don't see the use for that now.
When I actually make a case I will quote relevant posts, cause after we're done with BTDT I'd like to draw attention to this one:
Im just gonna address this primary because the rest is just going to be cirular if i continue on the ohter stuff i want to hear the case now and the quote that say such things for sevral reasons: 1) shes my top town read so i want to sort that out for anyone who has doubts now I do2) in the post you quoted there she has self admitted to being tired that could explain the tone post itself. again this 'tired' argument and you use that to explain your read . lul. 3) If she backed down on you at any point its because she has found a stronger scum read to peruse. Maybe she was satisfied with what she saw form you and decided to drop it and then town read you. Or maybe because she's as scummy as ika is and doesn't want to look like she's pressuring someone too hard 4) if she accused you of something and you responded to it then she must be satisfied with it. If she didn't follow up you should point it out cus the only time i have ever seen her back down (town or scum) is when shes satisfied with her results. 4a) her scum game would prob just be going at you till the cows come home. the fact she has backed down means shes satisfied with what she was poking on about and decided to scum hunt elsewhere which is a town indicator of her not really, that's not sound logic, it could be the other way around too 5) This is extremely poor defense of his SW read. Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 01:54 ika42 wrote:
I question where you get the bolded for both me and SW. The last game you have played with us we were both scum and we both lacked emotions and investments in the thread
So is there a game your refrencing here or where this that come form? 6) So maybe you changed your playstyle because you probably got figured out last game. Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 04:26 ika42 wrote:On January 10 2017 04:18 Calix wrote:On January 10 2017 03:55 ika42 wrote:
wow this game died.... Still around? I'm free for a bit if you want to talk. Somewhat. Ive been poping in and out and dealing with some stuffWhat do you think of ME doubling down on wanting to lynch me next. 7) This shit again. Now lets look at his read on reps Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 05:11 ika42 wrote:On January 10 2017 04:56 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 06:15 ika42 wrote:
rep is partner trying to save grak.
calling it now Also wondering what you make of squishy atm, now that Grack flipped town still scum lean on him. i re isoed the beggining and something pinged me. its his post about "how do you know hes town" (somewhere i can quote later) and kinda casting shade on KCS but not really pushing it. also a lot of his post are more theory related then game related Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 05:19 ika42 wrote:On January 10 2017 05:17 Calix wrote:On January 10 2017 05:13 beentheredonethat wrote:
You guys wasted D2. Congratulations. Not like I specifically asked you not to do that. #dropsMic #VTout
I'd take you more seriously if you contributed and didn't make inflammatory posts like this every other breath. You yourself consider that to be a scum tell. i was about to say he could be giving read or something 8) I still think reps is scummy. I don't know what he said would make you change your evaluation of reps from scummy to town so soon. As I said at the beginning of D2, I am in favor of bumping off ikea. There might have been stuff that I've missed but for me ikea is scummy
ok i numbered each one so let me answer you proper on this shit ass case.
1) i didn't double down on claix because not only have i played with her before but i know if i argue with her its just going to have a piss fight. The big question i was going for was how long or how much people played. When people put questionable stuff i will poke at it. If they just go "well i'm not gonna answer it because i just don't want to" i might let it dependent on the player.
2) i bring this up because i am very tired when i get home and normally pass out for a good 10 or so hrs. I just got up where my last post was when i got home so you can see a long gap of me not being around. I like to let people know when i am around and not so they dont accuse me of lurking/afk. Not only that but it allows people to kinda put stuff out there for me to read if theres something needed when i come back
3) its called a townslip. when its open info on what could or could not exist. Town is more likely to be misinformed about it. For scum to do such thing they have to actively say the words or actively "think" the wrong info they have.
4) i had no reason to make it sooner or at all. Nobody really pushed me (outside of grack) to explain it and she was widly town read to begin with
5) this does not refute the town case at all and instead buzzwords it. if you think its bad you need to disprove the points
6) lol, you make it sound so easy to just go "change", its not. When me and silver are not in games (or are in hydra) we are constantly talking about our metas. So even if my meta did change, she would be aware of it.
7) please read point 2
8) his post style changed and sounded much more town like. A lot of his posting before sounded like he was reading form a script to the point it was robotic. After i called him out and he said "oh well i can post differently" and made those posts it looks a lot more town
if you think hes so scummy what about him is scummy?
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On January 11 2017 05:54 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 05:23 SilverWolf77 wrote:
That case on ika is incredibly bad ME. I'll let him address it though but that's my opinion on it. It looks really fabricated and scummy.
bdtd-I'm here and if you think I'm avoiding the thread or trying not to do anything, then you are misrepping me badly. I have no problem addressing all your points in detail and anything else anyone wants to talk about.
First, I don't believe your roleblock claim because you lied about being the doc getting the real doc lynched, then claimed cop, then claimed VT, then claimed cop, then VT and now you say you are roleblocked. I don't believe a word you say. I think you should be lynched. Period. You've been lying all game. You have been flailing ever since. So no, I'm not going to reconsider wanting to lynch you.
There is nothing wrong with my Onegu filter. I had no read on him. That's how I got one. null town just means he is leaning town but has a lot of null posts so it isn't a strong townread. I went from null to town on him and I showed how I got there. I did the same on Squishy-I had no read and kept going back and forth-so now I have one. Town should always be reanalyzing their reads and make sure they are correct. If you don't know what null town means, you need to ask me instead of making false assumptions about it. You must be o.k. with my Reps filter since you said nothing about it.
I'm not the least afraid of pressuring Onegu or doing something this day phase. That is just serious misrep and it's scummy as hell. I have been here and am willing to answer any question directed at me including discussion of my reads and posts on filters, etc. You are basically calling one of the most active players afraid to do something. Yeah, no.
You saying it's incredibly scummy that I'm not feeling well and tired is BS. I have been sick for two days and have been going to the hospital everyday for radiation therapy. DO NOT EVER go after me for real life again.
You saying my townread on ika is scummy is complete crap since you also have a townread on him. I'm not praising ika at all-again complete and total misrep. I'm explaining why I think he's town because I have extensive experience with him. As far as paranoia goes or being too sure he's town, he's my strongest townread based on nearly 100 posts he's put into this game and my experience with him. If I had said right away, I think he's town, you'd have a point but I didn't.
That last part is me telling you to give reads if your town and the fact that you didn't was me thinking you are scum. Also, you went after me for RL again. I was at the dr. office so I couldn't post more than that. If that's the only thing I posted all day, I could let it go BUT I've been doing more than that. You are just ignoring it to fit your narrative that I'm trying to look active. Considering how many posts I've put into this game, that's just completely wrong.
I believe you are selectively pointing out posts I made this day phase and shifting them to fit your narrative that they are scummy when they are clearly town oriented and that's scummy as shit. Get lynched.
Why you feel the need to go through his post point by point and refute it all when 1) You think he's mafia 2) He's 1000% getting lynched today This just feels a little too defensive for my liking. Can you focus on someone besides btdt? Like what do you make of Calix/ME/B0ston etc... anyone that isn't BTDT. If you're town literally the last thing we need is to continue to tilt.
im still kinda reading up but if anything i read her town off that becasue she is defensive by nature. scum or not you should refute the case unless they are 100% mafia confirmed.
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for anyone wondering, i do actualy read silverwolf more town for her defending herself. even if hes outed scum it would be a nice distancing tacic to try to case your scum mate cus yes its easy to go "well your scum so ignore" and thats even easier for scum to do.
the act she went out of her way to do it (as weak as it is) shows that she is invested. scum!her would jsut ignore it/.
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yes im still tired so i did just kinda post the same thign twice, i just fleshed it out more.
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On January 11 2017 07:53 ika42 wrote:
for anyone wondering, i do actualy read silverwolf more town for her defending herself. even if hes outed scum it would be a nice distancing tacic to try to case your scum mate cus yes its easy to go "well your scum so ignore" and thats even easier for scum to do.
the act she went out of her way to do it (as weak as it is) shows that she is invested. scum!her would jsut ignore it/.
I agree with that.
On that note I will be heading to work; my vote is locked btdt. I post a bit tonight.
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Unlike Vivax, I don't think his suspecting ika for the questionnaire to be bad. He explains it just fine and when questioned, he asks about other players so he's not just defending himself but trying to figure out other people as well. He is coming out with reads as well and most of his posts are questioning people or commenting on the gamestate. I don't think his paranoia of myself or ika is bad, he's got his own opinion on ME being towny and is not just going with the flow. Even though he townreads ika, he continues to question him. He may be working with Calix a little too much but otherwise I don't see anything in his filter that bothers me to the extent I'd call him scum. So he's town.
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