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On January 11 2017 07:53 ika42 wrote:
for anyone wondering, i do actualy read silverwolf more town for her defending herself. even if hes outed scum it would be a nice distancing tacic to try to case your scum mate cus yes its easy to go "well your scum so ignore" and thats even easier for scum to do.
the act she went out of her way to do it (as weak as it is) shows that she is invested. scum!her would jsut ignore it/.
Can you clarify if you though my defense was weak as well or you are talking about btdt's case? I can't tell what you are referencing by this wording.
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On January 11 2017 08:07 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 07:53 ika42 wrote:
for anyone wondering, i do actualy read silverwolf more town for her defending herself. even if hes outed scum it would be a nice distancing tacic to try to case your scum mate cus yes its easy to go "well your scum so ignore" and thats even easier for scum to do.
the act she went out of her way to do it (as weak as it is) shows that she is invested. scum!her would jsut ignore it/. Can you clarify if you though my defense was weak as well or you are talking about btdt's case? I can't tell what you are referencing by this wording.
the case.
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ME:
I think I've been pretty clear this game is scum. Most of his early posting is him complaining about the gamestate being confusing and not able to get a read. He gets defensive over his first vote and calls the game spammy which it isn't so this is just more excuses not to do anything and complaints. Gets irritated with me for asking for reads.
I do like his questioning of B0ston but he never follows up on it. When questioned by Calix on his abstaining his vote until the end, he first gets defensive and then later clarifies it more. It would be better if he did it right away when asked. Overall, he's a little too defensive over trivial things.
His case ika is bad. It's like he's having trouble articulating any read on anyone and in particular is having trouble with his scumreads. RL stuff is NAI and he shouldn't be scumreading off that. The rest of his ika stuff is playstyle arguments and nothing concrete. He goes after Reps for RL as well which isn't scummy. However, he has a good point that Reps didn't follow up on that one point but it's still overall a weak argument to Reps being scum because it is only one tiny comment that Reps made and he should broaden the case if he wants to convince us.
Anyway, ME is a scumread.
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Vote Count
beentheredonethat (7) : Kmatt, ika42, SilverWolf77, darthfoley, Calix, Onegu, reps)squishy
SilverWolf77 (2) : beentheredonethat, MichaelEhrmantraut
Not voting (2) : B0stonSC, KelsierSC
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On January 10 2017 07:33 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 07:20 B0stonSC wrote:
Well for ME he hasn't been very active, and he doesn't give reads or really push the game forward at all. This seems counter intuitive to the goal of town players (push the game forward and solve the game). And, as we all know, the opposite of town is scum, hence my thoughts on him. For KSC he has posted less than three serious posts, with lots of posting being done. I think you're being selective here on how you scum-hunt (ME/ yourself and KSC/ Onegu). I wouldn't say you are much better than ME and if you disagree then you should explain why that's the case. I get that you two are new and are struggling in some respects regardless of alignment but I think it's strange that you are calling out ME for that of all reasons. Does your KSC logic also apply to Onegu? If not, what are the differences between the two of them in your eyes?
Yes it does apply to Onegu, but I'm not too terribly worried about him, and I know I am struggling, but I am trying my best.
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On January 11 2017 08:29 cakepie wrote:Vote Count beentheredonethat (7) : Kmatt, ika42, SilverWolf77, darthfoley, Calix, Onegu, reps)squishy SilverWolf77 (2) : beentheredonethat, MichaelEhrmantraut Not voting (2) : B0stonSC, KelsierSC Currently, beentheredonethat is set to be lynched!
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lol.
ME: i want ika dead and i scum read squish
votes silverwolf instead
10/10 logic
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B0ston:
He votes for Onegu and calls him suspicious. Later says it was just pressure. This is a conflicting read and if he wanted to pressure Onegu, he should of asked. This comes off as nervous scum worried about voting for someone.
Spends a good chunk of time explaining his lack of activity and really he does this too much and is making too many excuses not to do anything.
Acts very nervous and defensive over the first vote on him.
He calls a lot of people off but never elaborates, it's like he's having trouble explaining any of his reads or reasoning because he can't.
His point on not calling someone town for saying they are scum actually is fine. I agree with it.
Argues against lynching btdt but says he's worried it would make him look bad-he shouldn't be worried about it if he's town.
I do have a scumread here but overall his filter is very weak with not much in it so I'm gonna go with null scum.
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oh hey look, bo came in and voted. wonder if he will show up over here
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Okay I back but really tired so will probably seen soon after deadline.
On January 11 2017 06:43 SilverWolf77 wrote:
One thing I do want to say is Calix and darth reactions to my defense bug me somewhat. Not that they don't have a right to think its bad but more the timing of it all and the fact they basically say the same thing about it. I don't really think these two have any suspicion of each other right now and it seems they are working together. I know Calix likes to work with her townreads as town but I don't know how darth plays. It bothers me a little bit that he might be trying to get Calix into his corner on things. That's why I asked him for his read on her.
I just want to throw this out there for now. It not a huge issue. I think a much bigger issue is ME's inability to case a scumread.
I don't see how having the same thought about something is bad, that mind-melding is more townie imo.
Also wouldn't I be the one more likely to be pocketing DF in your scenario because I said my thoughts after DF asked me for it? It's not impossible that he is getting on my good side on purpose but I think if he is scum then he would be trying harder to show people that he town-reads me and I don't recall him doing that.
I didn't say this earlier but meta's also influencing my read on him because I've read his scum game on-record a while ago and I think he is well different and more like his town games that I've read (Touhou and Gif Mafia being the two examples I use). As said, he was more showy about his town-reads when he was scum and had a harder time posting. He is more free-flowing here.
I'm gonna start being busier in a few days because of uni and workload so I'll probably filter DF/ SW/ ika during N2 while I have enough time to look through 20 or so pages of filter.
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I really love how both the votes on me are on my scumreads and one of them was scumreading two other people and never mentioned me and both of them were in the voting thread and not mentioned here. Yeah, if one or both of them isn't scum, I'd be very surprised.
B0ston showing up at EoD again without doing anything else also strikes me the wrong way.
Again: ME, B0ston, btdt are my guesses for scum but Kelsier can also be in this group.
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On January 11 2017 07:08 Onegu wrote:
is btdt dead yet?
That cannot seriously be all you have to say after everything that went down.
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ika, if you are here, what do you think of ME?
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On January 11 2017 08:44 SilverWolf77 wrote:
ika, if you are here, what do you think of ME?
i think its a waste of breath and time. i did point out how hes inconsitent about his reason thoguh
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On January 11 2017 07:38 SilverWolf77 wrote:Calix: Just gonna flesh out the major points. I don't think her saying her low activity play is 10 times better than most people's play as something she'd do as scum. IIRC, she's far more passive as scum than town. Her last town game was very aggressive. I like how she's immediately jumping into the game pointing out scummy things. She's making a lot of observations on things that stick out to her and I find myself agreeing with most of them. She always comments on the major things going on and isn't afraid to question people with direct points. Town points here. This post bugs me a bit because it's very passive of her. Like, instead of pushing her point home, she just backs off: Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 01:57 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 01:54 Vivax wrote:On January 07 2017 01:52 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 01:48 Vivax wrote:
So far you and Ika both asked such loaded questions that already imply I did something I did not. Obviously you're not going to get a nice answer to "Do you always beat your wife" type of questions. Your point? If you ask shitty questions you get shitty answers If you think playing 20 questions sucks then I'll let you do something else. I'd rather take a nap or something than have a lengthy discussion tbh lol. I don't want to sound too full of my self but she does have a soft defense of ika and myself as town or not scum indicative on the things others are pointing out. I think if she was scum she'd want at least one of us gone by either mislynch or kill and she's doing nothing to make that happen. If anything, she's stopping any kind of lynch. She's got 9 pages of filter and most of it is really trying to drive the game forward and except that one post and her being a little too agreeable with darth, I'd say she's solid town.
I did back off because I could see Vivax was getting annoyed, I didn't think that line of conversation would get more productive and I wanted to sleep so I cut short the conversation to see what he would do using his own initiative.
Also in terms of the reads you two are getting, I think some of them are justified if you look at it from the POV of someone who has not played with you two. I don't think they're accurate but when you guys say that everything you two do is very townie or whatever then it will look weird to others.
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On January 11 2017 07:48 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 05:54 darthfoley wrote:On January 11 2017 05:23 SilverWolf77 wrote:
That case on ika is incredibly bad ME. I'll let him address it though but that's my opinion on it. It looks really fabricated and scummy.
bdtd-I'm here and if you think I'm avoiding the thread or trying not to do anything, then you are misrepping me badly. I have no problem addressing all your points in detail and anything else anyone wants to talk about.
First, I don't believe your roleblock claim because you lied about being the doc getting the real doc lynched, then claimed cop, then claimed VT, then claimed cop, then VT and now you say you are roleblocked. I don't believe a word you say. I think you should be lynched. Period. You've been lying all game. You have been flailing ever since. So no, I'm not going to reconsider wanting to lynch you.
There is nothing wrong with my Onegu filter. I had no read on him. That's how I got one. null town just means he is leaning town but has a lot of null posts so it isn't a strong townread. I went from null to town on him and I showed how I got there. I did the same on Squishy-I had no read and kept going back and forth-so now I have one. Town should always be reanalyzing their reads and make sure they are correct. If you don't know what null town means, you need to ask me instead of making false assumptions about it. You must be o.k. with my Reps filter since you said nothing about it.
I'm not the least afraid of pressuring Onegu or doing something this day phase. That is just serious misrep and it's scummy as hell. I have been here and am willing to answer any question directed at me including discussion of my reads and posts on filters, etc. You are basically calling one of the most active players afraid to do something. Yeah, no.
You saying it's incredibly scummy that I'm not feeling well and tired is BS. I have been sick for two days and have been going to the hospital everyday for radiation therapy. DO NOT EVER go after me for real life again.
You saying my townread on ika is scummy is complete crap since you also have a townread on him. I'm not praising ika at all-again complete and total misrep. I'm explaining why I think he's town because I have extensive experience with him. As far as paranoia goes or being too sure he's town, he's my strongest townread based on nearly 100 posts he's put into this game and my experience with him. If I had said right away, I think he's town, you'd have a point but I didn't.
That last part is me telling you to give reads if your town and the fact that you didn't was me thinking you are scum. Also, you went after me for RL again. I was at the dr. office so I couldn't post more than that. If that's the only thing I posted all day, I could let it go BUT I've been doing more than that. You are just ignoring it to fit your narrative that I'm trying to look active. Considering how many posts I've put into this game, that's just completely wrong.
I believe you are selectively pointing out posts I made this day phase and shifting them to fit your narrative that they are scummy when they are clearly town oriented and that's scummy as shit. Get lynched.
Why you feel the need to go through his post point by point and refute it all when 1) You think he's mafia 2) He's 1000% getting lynched today This just feels a little too defensive for my liking. Can you focus on someone besides btdt? Like what do you make of Calix/ME/B0ston etc... anyone that isn't BTDT. If you're town literally the last thing we need is to continue to tilt. im still kinda reading up but if anything i read her town off that becasue she is defensive by nature. scum or not you should refute the case unless they are 100% mafia confirmed.
I think this is a good example of what I said earlier because ika's basically saying here "SW is town because she is naturally defensive" which does not make sense because a personality-indicative trait cannot be AI by default.
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On January 11 2017 08:35 SilverWolf77 wrote:
B0ston:
He votes for Onegu and calls him suspicious. Later says it was just pressure. This is a conflicting read and if he wanted to pressure Onegu, he should of asked. This comes off as nervous scum worried about voting for someone.
Spends a good chunk of time explaining his lack of activity and really he does this too much and is making too many excuses not to do anything.
Acts very nervous and defensive over the first vote on him.
He calls a lot of people off but never elaborates, it's like he's having trouble explaining any of his reads or reasoning because he can't.
His point on not calling someone town for saying they are scum actually is fine. I agree with it.
Argues against lynching btdt but says he's worried it would make him look bad-he shouldn't be worried about it if he's town.
I do have a scumread here but overall his filter is very weak with not much in it so I'm gonna go with null scum.
The reason I said Onegu was suspicious is because in my little experience, saying "Oh I'm voteing you because you need pressure" generally doesn't give any pressure.
This is from force of habit, as in the games I've played lack of activity and constant reading the thread gets you lynched without good reason (first two games I've played)
Well, can't really change or argue this.
I try and explain, it's just that a lot of my reads are gut feels instead of a solid reason. I then look for a reason, but my brain thinks their fine while my gut disagrees.
I am worried because if BTDT comes off as scum, then I might be lynched for defending my scum buddies.
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On January 11 2017 08:45 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 08:44 SilverWolf77 wrote:
ika, if you are here, what do you think of ME? i think its a waste of breath and time. i did point out how hes inconsitent about his reason thoguh
It's a waste of breath and time to tell me what you think of ME?
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On January 11 2017 08:54 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 08:45 ika42 wrote:On January 11 2017 08:44 SilverWolf77 wrote:
ika, if you are here, what do you think of ME? i think its a waste of breath and time. i did point out how hes inconsitent about his reason thoguh It's a waste of breath and time to tell me what you think of ME?
no.
im tired and doing sevral things at once so i misread
i have him more null now tbh, he acts like hes geninuly annoyed and mad but the problem is i dont know why.
however i have him more scum lean then null overall
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On January 11 2017 08:40 SilverWolf77 wrote:
I really love how both the votes on me are on my scumreads and one of them was scumreading two other people and never mentioned me and both of them were in the voting thread and not mentioned here.
+1
Yeah, I was wondering what ME's read on you was because I do not recall him giving one (was why I asked earlier) so I really don't like his "ninja vote" on you.
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