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Kmatt
Get your ASS IN THIS THREAD
AND DO SHIT
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Alsoooooo what about the no night kill?
Are you saying you targeted koshi and he got saved? :p
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On December 23 2016 01:13 Koshi wrote:
Kmatt
Get your ASS IN THIS THREAD
AND DO SHIT
I was just reading chill.
But yeah the bit about LS retconning his read on Exo doesn't make sense. I'm willing to go with your call on Rels/LS. I don't really see any other two players that work alongside each other anyway. This would also then assume that Disinfo is town and was just being doubted heavily. It still feels weird leaving SL and Slam out of the equation but since you guys were saying Slam is playing normally and SL has come around in the last day it doesn't leave many more options.
##Vote Lightningstrike
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On December 23 2016 01:30 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2016 01:13 Koshi wrote:
Kmatt
Get your ASS IN THIS THREAD
AND DO SHIT I was just reading chill. But yeah the bit about LS retconning his read on Exo doesn't make sense. I'm willing to go with your call on Rels/LS. I don't really see any other two players that work alongside each other anyway. This would also then assume that Disinfo is town and was just being doubted heavily. It still feels weird leaving SL and Slam out of the equation but since you guys were saying Slam is playing normally and SL has come around in the last day it doesn't leave many more options. ##Vote Lightningstrike
Might be rich coming from me, but I would like to see more of your own opinion.
Look at Slam's and SL's filter. Do you think they are town or scum?
Do you think it makes sense that I was doubted? Do you think ppl should still doubt me? Rels made a pretty big case on me earlier. What do you think of it?
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For that matter I think LS also hasnt really commented on me or Rels imo.
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Ummm didn't you just call me mafia kmatt? Also wtf happened to your sl read??
It looks like you're just bandwagoning along for the hell of it
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Vote Count - Day 2
Kmatt (4): sicklucker, disformation, Holyflare, LightningStrike
LightningStrike (2): Koshi, Koshi, Kmatt
disformation (1): Rels, Koshi
Rels (0): Koshi
Not voted (1): Alakaslam
It looks like no one will be disqualified at the moment.
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 2 ends in at 01:30 GMT (+00:00).
The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted.
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On December 23 2016 01:32 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2016 01:30 Kmatt wrote:On December 23 2016 01:13 Koshi wrote:
Kmatt
Get your ASS IN THIS THREAD
AND DO SHIT I was just reading chill. But yeah the bit about LS retconning his read on Exo doesn't make sense. I'm willing to go with your call on Rels/LS. I don't really see any other two players that work alongside each other anyway. This would also then assume that Disinfo is town and was just being doubted heavily. It still feels weird leaving SL and Slam out of the equation but since you guys were saying Slam is playing normally and SL has come around in the last day it doesn't leave many more options. ##Vote Lightningstrike Might be rich coming from me, but I would like to see more of your own opinion. Look at Slam's and SL's filter. Do you think they are town or scum? Do you think it makes sense that I was doubted? Do you think ppl should still doubt me? Rels made a pretty big case on me earlier. What do you think of it?
The case on you worked at the time because other than Exo there weren't any players with red flags. Most of it boiled down to not having any big public reads and you got jumped for it. I personally don't see that as too heinous day1 but I can see why they would.
Slam's filter doesn't have a lot going for it but if his story's true than he has a reason to not be around. And I simply don't believe mafia can afford to be this passive so far into the game. They need a ML and won't be sitting this cycle out. Especially with how things are flipping around the past hour or two.
As for SL I saw this
On December 22 2016 11:10 sicklucker wrote:
like no mafia in the history of mafai has held a n1 kill. hf is not this dumb bs.
Im cop with red check on holyflare.
Holyflare/kmart
I'd like to see where that theory came from. At this point his mock scumcalling is meaningless to me. This part though resonated with me:
On December 22 2016 23:53 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2016 21:23 disformation wrote:
One of the things to consider though:
if the 2 scums are in Rels, SL and Kmatt (which is still likely). I am one of the few remaining options for them to get a ML.
As SL and Rels basically cant realistically SR each other.
Which I why I yesterday said: "I am looking forward to see who the suspects are going to scumread."
have a hard time figuring out if rels is the scum or just scum siding atm. then why am i hard defending you bro. I dont acualy think your town I just think there are more mafia people then you
At this stage it's hard to find solid townreads but with the stay of execution we got last night I'm willing to take a chance on the lynch with Lightningstrike.
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On December 23 2016 01:49 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2016 01:32 disformation wrote:On December 23 2016 01:30 Kmatt wrote:On December 23 2016 01:13 Koshi wrote:
Kmatt
Get your ASS IN THIS THREAD
AND DO SHIT I was just reading chill. But yeah the bit about LS retconning his read on Exo doesn't make sense. I'm willing to go with your call on Rels/LS. I don't really see any other two players that work alongside each other anyway. This would also then assume that Disinfo is town and was just being doubted heavily. It still feels weird leaving SL and Slam out of the equation but since you guys were saying Slam is playing normally and SL has come around in the last day it doesn't leave many more options. ##Vote Lightningstrike Might be rich coming from me, but I would like to see more of your own opinion. Look at Slam's and SL's filter. Do you think they are town or scum? Do you think it makes sense that I was doubted? Do you think ppl should still doubt me? Rels made a pretty big case on me earlier. What do you think of it? The case on you worked at the time because other than Exo there weren't any players with red flags. Most of it boiled down to not having any big public reads and you got jumped for it. I personally don't see that as too heinous day1 but I can see why they would. Slam's filter doesn't have a lot going for it but if his story's true than he has a reason to not be around. And I simply don't believe mafia can afford to be this passive so far into the game. They need a ML and won't be sitting this cycle out. Especially with how things are flipping around the past hour or two. As for SL I saw this Show nested quote +On December 22 2016 11:10 sicklucker wrote:
like no mafia in the history of mafai has held a n1 kill. hf is not this dumb bs.
Im cop with red check on holyflare.
Holyflare/kmart I'd like to see where that theory came from. At this point his mock scumcalling is meaningless to me. This part though resonated with me: Show nested quote +On December 22 2016 23:53 sicklucker wrote:On December 22 2016 21:23 disformation wrote:
One of the things to consider though:
if the 2 scums are in Rels, SL and Kmatt (which is still likely). I am one of the few remaining options for them to get a ML.
As SL and Rels basically cant realistically SR each other.
Which I why I yesterday said: "I am looking forward to see who the suspects are going to scumread."
have a hard time figuring out if rels is the scum or just scum siding atm. then why am i hard defending you bro. I dont acualy think your town I just think there are more mafia people then you At this stage it's hard to find solid townreads but with the stay of execution we got last night I'm willing to take a chance on the lynch with Lightningstrike.
I mean like this one, from 4 hours ago:
On December 22 2016 21:06 Rels wrote:Past the early game, the immense majority of disfo's post have been copies of what other people had done before. In addition, he's interacting positively with thread leaders and his reads always matches the general sentiement reads. There are tons of example, here is some of the obvious ones. OK I'm actually reworking this to be an actual proof of what I'm saying with every contentful post past early game analysed. With few exceptions, every post that disfo made is echoing something that someone else made before him. Keep it mind that the problem is not that he's sharing another player's point of view. THE PROBLEM IS THAT ALL HIS CONTENTFUL POSTS ARE MADE ON THE EXACT SUBJECT OF ANOTHER POST HE JUST READ. That might not be obvious from the timestamps, but if you're reading the thread and disfo's filter at the same time, the disfo post in those spoilers in his filter is just after the original post. Bad feeling about Rels (original idea from Koshi and Slam) + Show Spoiler +On December 20 2016 19:03 Alakaslam wrote:
Rels is too unsure in the wrong places.
Just a vibe; vibes fail me a lot.
Just tossing it out there because fish, mc chicken, I'm voting the vibe. So this vote isn't technically a ninja vote.
(I did this at 2AM but whatever.)
On December 20 2016 19:06 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 19:03 Alakaslam wrote:
Rels is too unsure in the wrong places.
Just a vibe; vibes fail me a lot.
Just tossing it out there because fish, mc chicken, I'm voting the vibe. So this vote isn't technically a ninja vote.
(I did this at 2AM but whatever.)
Ty slam. This is really good. Ty. On December 20 2016 20:43 disformation wrote:
Now I need to make up my mind on Rels.
Like I can kinda agree that "something feels off". But imo more in the part about me. Or him being waffly in general.
But I still like a bunch of his posts. Which makes me not want to lynch him. Also + points for getting some stuff about me roght before horribly backtracking.
Rels is pretty good though. So the whole thing is not outside of his scum range.
If SL and ExO_ would not be in the game, that would be a really hard one.
I think as of right now I would lynch Rels over Slam?
Still think today should be one of ExO_ or SL. (original idea from Rels) + Show Spoiler +On December 20 2016 09:19 Rels wrote:I'm caught up. disfo might be scum maybe, I didn't like his posts on SL and Slam these last few pages. But if the lynch was right now I would 1000% lynch exo. He's fighting very differently from the last game I played with him; in that one he OMGUSd every player that pushed him. Here he stated a reason for suspecting Koshi and Kmatt and repeated it over and over. Actually it makes up for like half of his filter: Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 01:44 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 01:43 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 01:34 ExO_ wrote:
so somehow koshi/kmatt are going to come into the thread, scum reading me for some stupid ass reason. kmatt ignores my comment about him buddying, as any scum would. and both koshi/kmatt ignore disinformation pseudo defending me. If I'm scummy, why isn't disinfo scummy too hmm koshi/kmatt? Okay looking back I misread you the first time, thought you meant I was buddying with LightningStrike by conversing. Still not really buddying with Sicklucker, it was LS who was having a hard time understanding the comment so there's no harm in explaining it to him. My bit about "being in this thread together" refers to the fact that SL could very easily answer these questions himself. And Disinfo not immediately agreeing with me doesn't make him scum. Being this invested in your own innocence and pointing fingers at us for having the audacity to doubt you is scummy. If you were really town you'd be proving it by lynching scum, not throwing shade because we're scumhunting. Disinfo didn't immediately agree with you, he disregarded your case by saying im not a morning person. Are you reading the same thread as I am? Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 01:54 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 01:49 Koshi wrote:
Feels like you are playing a game against this thread Exo.
Kmatt buddying
Disinfo defending
Koshi also mafia?
It's weird I don't think disinfo is scum, I'm saying you guys not finding him suspicious if you think I'm scum, is suspicious. Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 02:08 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 02:02 Koshi wrote:On December 20 2016 01:59 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 01:57 Koshi wrote:On December 20 2016 01:54 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 01:49 Koshi wrote:
Feels like you are playing a game against this thread Exo.
Kmatt buddying
Disinfo defending
Koshi also mafia?
It's weird I don't think disinfo is scum, I'm saying you guys not finding him suspicious if you think I'm scum, is suspicious. O rly? Can you explain why? I don't have a fucking reason to think he's scum yet. Especially when kmatt is over here omgusing me at the first thing I say and you are defending him like crazy. Do I already need to have a 5 page analysis on why I think every player is town? I'm not going to operate from the assumption that everyone is scum, that's fucking retarded. I'll scum read someone when I have a reason to think they are scum You are focussing on the wrong part of that sentence. I'm saying you guys not finding him suspicious if you think I'm scum, is suspicious. Why? Goddamn each refresh is a new red alert from my virusthingie. If you think I'm a scum: Kmatt comes into the thread and votes me. Disinfo basically brushes off the case saying I'm not a morning person and tries to redirect the conversation elsewhere. If you think I'm scum, why are you both ignoring disinfo doing this? Either you (and kmatt) don't really think I'm scum, or are ignoring disinfo here for some reason I cannot fathom. your turn Why aren't you scum reading him if you think I'm scum? Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 02:15 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 02:11 Holyflare wrote:
Then why the fuck are you angry at mafia calling you mafia? What possible reason is there for you to be tilted that he's playing his alignment?
What I'm saying is and what you've now confirmed is you're getting tilted by someone doing a shit play when it's their literal job to do that. It doesn't make sense at all. What if they aren't mafia? I don't like being called mafia at all. Especially for bullshit reasons. Literally look at the end of the most recent game I played. If you think this is getting "tilted" then I get tilted easily I guess. I don't understand why I'm not allowed to be tilted, especially when I say one sentence and am immediately voted and teamed by 2 people. Either way it's far too early in the thread for me to lock into both of them being mafia. So I can't just brush them off entirely. THAT would be a scummy thing to do. Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 02:27 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 02:21 Holyflare wrote:
So you think he's mafia for a bull shit vote
You get tilted regardless
You think disformation isn't suspicious
You push koshi and kmatt as suspicious for not finding disfo suspicious
You say that you are implying they are mafia
You say they might not be mafia and you might be wrong
Is that a fair summary? Can you explain why they should be suspicious of disformation? I'm about 100% sure koshi voted you for being angry at kmatt playing the game instead of some circular deflection logic.
Why does that make them suspicious instead of disformation ACTUALLY being suspicious? Like in a world where you're town you're saying 2 mafia/towns should find someone deflecting off a town you suspicious so why aren't you calling disformation suspicious at all?? I don't agree with your assessment of why Koshi "voted" me. Let Koshi speak for Koshi. I wasn't angry at Kmatt for playing the game, I was angry at being immediately OMGUSed, and I don't think it makes any sense for Koshi to vote me based on that. They should be suspicious of disinformation because he brushed off anything kmatt was trying to say about me being scum and tried to move the conversation elsewhere. If I'm scum, and disinfo is immediately trying to move the conversation elsewhere, it should be suspicious. What I'm implying is by not even saying anything about disinfo they are acting suspiciously, and looks scum-indicative to me. I know I'm town. So in order for me to find disinfo suspicious I have to think that he's ignoring what kmatt said about me not because he thinks its bad (which is the obvious conclusion in my mind) but becuase he's mafia just wanting to skirt by. That's not impossible I guess, but I don't think its nearly enough to scum read him for. Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 02:31 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 02:24 Holyflare wrote:
I cannot for the life of me fathom how someone can say people are suspicious for not pushing a non-suspicious person. Why is disinfo not-suspicious? My logic is this: Koshi/Kmatt think I'm scum Disinfo immediately tries to deflect the thread away from kmatt's scum reading of me Therefore if Koshi/Kmatt are really town, who really think I'm scum, they should at least be questioning disinfo Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 02:39 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 02:33 Holyflare wrote:On December 20 2016 02:27 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 02:21 Holyflare wrote:
So you think he's mafia for a bull shit vote
You get tilted regardless
You think disformation isn't suspicious
You push koshi and kmatt as suspicious for not finding disfo suspicious
You say that you are implying they are mafia
You say they might not be mafia and you might be wrong
Is that a fair summary? Can you explain why they should be suspicious of disformation? I'm about 100% sure koshi voted you for being angry at kmatt playing the game instead of some circular deflection logic.
Why does that make them suspicious instead of disformation ACTUALLY being suspicious? Like in a world where you're town you're saying 2 mafia/towns should find someone deflecting off a town you suspicious so why aren't you calling disformation suspicious at all?? I don't agree with your assessment of why Koshi "voted" me. Let Koshi speak for Koshi. I wasn't angry at Kmatt for playing the game, I was angry at being immediately OMGUSed, and I don't think it makes any sense for Koshi to vote me based on that. They should be suspicious of disinformation because he brushed off anything kmatt was trying to say about me being scum and tried to move the conversation elsewhere. If I'm scum, and disinfo is immediately trying to move the conversation elsewhere, it should be suspicious. What I'm implying is by not even saying anything about disinfo they are acting suspiciously, and looks scum-indicative to me. I know I'm town. So in order for me to find disinfo suspicious I have to think that he's ignoring what kmatt said about me not because he thinks its bad (which is the obvious conclusion in my mind) but becuase he's mafia just wanting to skirt by. That's not impossible I guess, but I don't think its nearly enough to scum read him for. But disformation finds your deflections scummy and has even said so. Why can't he be mafia avoiding a town vs town conflict because that's not what he wants to push or get into? He's just throwing minor accusations around and "doesn't want to make a comment on it yet" which is the exact response I'd expect of a mafia skating by. I'd expect you to be pushing this exact point. I'm gonna let you slide for now because there's always room for improvement. Make a stance on people please with indicative terms like mafia/town/null. That would be useful. At the time when I first posted, disinfo hadn't mentioned anything about finding me scummy. My initial reasoning for why they should find disinfo scummy stems from his initial post, not his posting after that. When you are asking me to explain my reasoning I can't just retroactively add in information to my posts that I didn't have at the time. And come off your high horse. "there's always room for improvement" blah blah blah. Shit like that just pisses me off On December 20 2016 21:18 disformation wrote:So. There was a recent game where exo was lynched D1 as VT. Link to his filterFirst post he claims VT. Gets voted by Calix for that. Immediately OMGUSES Calix. Then he starts to actually play the game. As the time for the lynch approaches: + Show Spoiler +On November 05 2016 01:19 ExO_ wrote:
I just woke up, and I have to run errands. I'll probably be back before EoD but I can't swear to it. What I will say is this:
I came into the thread just saying whatever I felt like. It's how I always play town. I don't try to carefully construct my posts I just say whats on my mind. I did a lot of OMGUS. When I finally sat and calmly looked at the game, I put a little suspicion on DF/Skynx because of short filter, and rels for a similar reason. But I've been attacked for switching views, for not tunneling, for tunneling at the start, and a whole variety of other things.
I don't know exactly how I could defend myself at this point. I've done my best to make you realize that I'm town. But a LOT of people are tunneling on me. I'm not sure what else I'd have to do to prove I'm town.
The idea that I had a scum slip is a complete joke. If I die today:
Lynch TT/Rels. Both are experienced townies yet are moronically pushing this lynch. Especially TT. After that I would look for people who coasted and just hopped on the wagon day 1.
Do not Lynch Calix: Calix is the most most obviously confirmed town here. I want to say NU as well because of filter length, but I'm not sure.
Anywho I'm running some errands now like I said. I should be back before EoD but my motivation to play this game is basically out the window. On November 05 2016 02:46 ExO_ wrote:
TT/Rels/NU should be your prime suspects. Those are my top 3 scum reads.
I also think there would've been a high chance for people to say "skynkx town read ExO at EoD b/c he's scum trying to get town cred". By pointing this out here I no longer think it'll happen. If it does though refer to this Conclusion: There are a bunch of similarities. Esp. at the start of the game. Tonewise I think his tone is way more over the top this game than it was in the game I linked. But as I said again and again: he has absolutely 0 reads this game. Look at his filter. Look at the two posts I quoted. See the difference? Imo ExO_ was actually a pretty easy town read in the game I linked. He had a wonky start, but after that he started actually playing and made good posts. This game we only have a huge appeal to emotion. ##vote ExO_ In fact he actually said later it was my post that gave him the idea to do that: On December 20 2016 22:51 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 22:46 Holyflare wrote:
So you knew exo played liked this before.
You didn't say a word earlier.
You said you didn't want to comment on it.
You made a big post that didn't mention it.
The game isn't in the database so you read it and knew because you were there at the time.
You make that post.
I call you out on the above.
You quote your late cycle post saying you mention it early???? No I had to reread the game? Cause I totally forgot about that game until Rels mentioned and I thought it would be a good idea to look at exos filter again? Cause I totally forgot about that game until Rels mentioned and I thought it would be a good idea to look at exos filter again? Had to look for the game. Took me like 10 mins to find it. Yes. Yes. Yes. (original idea from SL) + Show Spoiler +On December 21 2016 00:10 sicklucker wrote:
I dont think ill lynch anyone but exo or slam today On December 21 2016 00:13 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 20:44 disformation wrote:
And TBH really the two scums are in ExO_, SL, Rels, Slam. This is a very bad path to go. I agree with exo and slam being the most likely. but the chance of them being the two scum out of 9 combiniations of people. And like I said me and rels are town. if you follow this you lose town the game because koshi and hf are crafty scum On December 21 2016 00:15 disformation wrote:
fun facts about slam:
doesnt mention exo even once.
throws a bit of shade in a throwaway post early on SL.
jumps on rels and then me.
not saying anything. just in case exo flips red (which is likely imo). (original idea from Koshi) + Show Spoiler +On December 21 2016 00:24 Koshi wrote:
Could Kmatt and Exo be mafia partners? That little outburst at the start? Was it odd? On December 21 2016 00:34 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 00:24 Koshi wrote:
Could Kmatt and Exo be mafia partners? That little outburst at the start? Was it odd? There was def. something off in that exchange. It is like a reaction bait into a reaction bait into ExO_ being super pissed. And it def. doesnt read super natural. So I am thinking there is probably a scummer in there. Since ExO_ didnt come back to play, but only to fish for feels I am assuming the one scummer is him. For both to be scum I think they have to be cool with Kmatt getting enough cred off that to carry? Or they went to far and dont have the motivation to salvage it? Like Kmatt didnt have a huge thread presence in his other game either, so I dont think him going carry is like a plan. Unless they are like sicklucker and just wanted to do it. Like exo points out a mehish point on Kmatt for disassociation, Kmatt goes right back at him and either ExO_ gets pissed by that, or he tries to fake the game I linked? I guess it is not impossible, but it sounds fairly far fetched for me. On December 21 2016 00:40 disformation wrote:And kmatt is even somewhat deflecting off ppl trying to talk about other lynches: Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 03:24 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 03:15 Koshi wrote:
Kmatt don't be disconnected to what is happening right now. I'm phone posting and it's cold, give me a break. To be honest I don't like where this is going. Looks like a repeat of my NSM game where I was under scrutiny, NocturneMage questioned me gently before levelling off and got someone else lynched. This sudden interest in disinformation, while justifiable, looks like it has mafia influence. Which would mean he is bussing pretty hard and not even looking to trying to deflect. (original idea from Koshi and LS) + Show Spoiler +On December 21 2016 06:56 Koshi wrote:
Maybe we lynch the Slamfish? On December 21 2016 06:57 LightningStrike wrote:I forgot he was even in this game lmao. Will check his filter. On December 21 2016 06:58 disformation wrote:
Well Slam graciously avoided talking about exo at _all_ On December 21 2016 06:59 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 06:58 disformation wrote:
Well Slam graciously avoided talking about exo at _all_ and had a bad post on SL. but some decent once on rels then he votes me and gtfos i think thats his entire filter (original idea from HF) + Show Spoiler +On December 21 2016 08:26 Holyflare wrote:
I think we should lynch kmatt, that re-entry to the thread and saying nothing annoys me On December 21 2016 09:17 disformation wrote:
also starting to get tired.
like i went through kmatts filter and the only thing that you could say is that his filter feels to linear. as in: he "pokes lowhanging fruit" (he even calls exo that). exo explodes and just keeps his vote on him. not much of scumhunting or reads until his list post.
thing is. this progression makes a lot of sense for town too given how exo played and his list post is legit good imo.
wait didnt someone call it bad for some reason? On December 21 2016 09:28 disformation wrote:
Dunno doesnt really feel like a "case" on him.
Still think there is at least 1 scum in kmatt/exo_
not 100% sure we are on the right side, but I still think exo is more likely. margin a bit smaller now though.
do we even have enough ppl to make kmatt a thing? dont think so :/ On December 21 2016 09:29 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 09:28 Kmatt wrote:
Aaaaaaaa now I'm getting cold feet. I liked this better as scum, I never had to think about this. The uncertainty is killing me. I'm going off for a bit, I'll try to be back before the flip in case something comes up. that is like a really odd post. like i kinda agree with the sentiment, but you were super adamant about exo like all damn game long. xD Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 09:29 disformation wrote:On December 21 2016 09:28 Kmatt wrote:
Aaaaaaaa now I'm getting cold feet. I liked this better as scum, I never had to think about this. The uncertainty is killing me. I'm going off for a bit, I'll try to be back before the flip in case something comes up. that is like a really odd post. like i kinda agree with the sentiment, but you were super adamant about exo like all damn game long. xD You don't say Kmatt / Rels are scummy (original idea from Koshi) + Show Spoiler +On December 21 2016 17:32 Koshi wrote:
Ok so mafia just thought it was better to lynch ExO over Slam.
For me mafia team is Rels/Kmatt atm.
Disformation might be town.
Sicklucker is confirmed really bad at the game. On December 21 2016 17:33 Koshi wrote:
6.Rels
8. Kmatt
5.sicklucker
9.disformation
7.Holyflare
1.Alakaslam
4.LightningStrike
On December 21 2016 21:24 disformation wrote:I think its kmatt +1. partially because I think that the exo vs kmatt thing was not tvt. another thing is how he approached the exo wagon the whole day and then made quite a few strange posts right before eod after being "Nah exo didnt post anything that changed my mind". something is def. wrong surrounding rels. like the sl mindmeld on him, with rels tring sl super hard. the whole approach on me. he was also pretty waffly on exo at the start right? will be back later to look at some filters in more detail. tbh I am super looking forward to see, who the suspects are going to want to lynch themselves.  (original idea from Koshi and Rels) + Show Spoiler +On December 21 2016 17:31 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 11:43 Alakaslam wrote:
Are EL S was saying some stuff, I can't remember squat I just remember being suspicious of him /orgasm You are confirmed town. On December 21 2016 17:33 Koshi wrote:
6.Rels
8. Kmatt
5.sicklucker
9.disformation
7.Holyflare
1.Alakaslam
4.LightningStrike
On December 21 2016 19:18 Rels wrote:
Slam is pretty townie in this interaction with HF post flip On December 21 2016 21:26 disformation wrote:
especially after slam looks a lot better now. (original idea from Koshi and Rels) + Show Spoiler +On December 21 2016 23:26 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 23:24 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not ruling out kmatt disfo. He seemed pretty weird around the disfo wagon "all the points on disfo are great but this wagon I'm repeatedly having cold feet about is better!" I am not ruling out LS/HF. But it's pretty low on my probability list. On December 22 2016 00:49 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 23:50 Holyflare wrote:
Alssooo don't think sl and kmatt are a team based on the way kmatt was explaining all sl's towny intentions at the start of the game good point. Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 23:26 Koshi wrote:On December 21 2016 23:24 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not ruling out kmatt disfo. He seemed pretty weird around the disfo wagon "all the points on disfo are great but this wagon I'm repeatedly having cold feet about is better!" I am not ruling out LS/HF. But it's pretty low on my probability list. Overall I think LS is town, but I wish he had more reads in his filter. Like start of his filter is a bit of interaction/questioning early D1 without conclusions. Though I think that the questions into nothing and him generally not having a lot of formulated reads fit his town meta. Though I agree that he should be low on the priority list. Would like to see more stuff from him though. On December 22 2016 01:06 disformation wrote:
So looking at filters for votes and stuff. part 1.
LS (see my last post): looks more town than scum. not impossible to be scum. like if his partner is on exo and slam is town, he could have been trying to come up with a decent reason to not be on the same wagon. but I dont think his behaviour/tone match up with that.
Slam starts pushing and voting Rels over Rels having a strange/wrong read on me. Rels rectifies his read on me and points out a pretty scummy post by me. Slam votes me and just returns b4 the deadline. still would liked for him to say something about why he was voting me, but in context it makes sense. An analysis on LS and Slam. LS he just talked about it with Koshi. Slam see the previous spoiler where he says Slam is looking better after Koshi and I said it, (original idea from HF) + Show Spoiler +On December 20 2016 03:26 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 03:24 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 03:15 Koshi wrote:
Kmatt don't be disconnected to what is happening right now. I'm phone posting and it's cold, give me a break. To be honest I don't like where this is going. Looks like a repeat of my NSM game where I was under scrutiny, NocturneMage questioned me gently before levelling off and got someone else lynched. This sudden interest in disinformation, while justifiable, looks like it has mafia influence. ![[image loading]](http://www.techsupportforum.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/alarm-bell-200x200.jpg) Oh baby. On December 22 2016 01:37 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 03:26 Holyflare wrote:On December 20 2016 03:24 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 03:15 Koshi wrote:
Kmatt don't be disconnected to what is happening right now. I'm phone posting and it's cold, give me a break. To be honest I don't like where this is going. Looks like a repeat of my NSM game where I was under scrutiny, NocturneMage questioned me gently before levelling off and got someone else lynched. This sudden interest in disinformation, while justifiable, looks like it has mafia influence. Oh baby. btw that was also a pretty good post. guess what kmatts answer was? On December 22 2016 01:40 disformation wrote:ah nope he actually answered it. Though it is super ahrd to discern. answer was this: Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 03:30 Kmatt wrote:
Nothing that anyone has said about disinformation seems wrong. He's definitely contributing less to the discussion. However, for us to go from being mostly in agreement on Exo to an entirely different case out of nowhere seems worng. but yeah I guess I have to take a break. getting confused with that many tabs open. also sl filter not that fun to read. (original idea from HF) + Show Spoiler +On December 22 2016 03:32 Holyflare wrote:
If kmatt is mafia I'm safe calling sl town. He also seems not grumpy but he's also self aware of that now so probably means nothing.
I need to look into whether rels has ever mentioned kmatt at all. On December 22 2016 04:30 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2016 03:32 Holyflare wrote:
If kmatt is mafia I'm safe calling sl town. He also seems not grumpy but he's also self aware of that now so probably means nothing.
I need to look into whether rels has ever mentioned kmatt at all. He mentions kmatt very early in the post sicklucker mindmelds him for. Asks a few questions of Kmatt. Later: Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 18:45 Rels wrote:
Kmatt might be townier that I thought. I didn't like his early posts but that's because I didn't understand the logic. The rest of his filter is pretty natural, especially on exo, and I don't remember Kmatt being a good scum in the last game he played. I will have to reread it at some point to verify that thought. After Kmatts wall: Asks Kmatt a few questions at EoD about ExO_ etc. I think I told Rels that Kmatt was actually pretty good in the last scum game. Not sure if Rels reacted to that. Dont think so. Oh wait he even links it himself: but no comment on contents of that game, from what i have seen. Well I could go on and on. ACTUALLY THAT WAS MY OLD CONCLUSION I DID GO ON AND ON LOL. I SEE THIS PATTERN EVERYWHERE DISFO HAS NEVER HAD AN ORIGINAL THOUGHT DISFO DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO AND ONLY DOES THINGS AFTER SOMEONE ELSE DID IT OR MENTIONNED IT DISFO READS ARE 100% THE AGGLOMERATE OF THE THREAD READS, ESPECIALLY THE THREAD LEADER, AT ALL POINTS EXCEPTIONS: Posts with actual content that I didn't find a match for: Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 04:52 disformation wrote:On December 20 2016 13:00 ExO_ wrote:
Just got home from work. Jesus Christ though, this is just like touhou mafia. Scum read on day 1 for bullshit.
'll tell you this much: I'm VT. Every time I've claimed VT on TL mafia forums I have been VT, check for yourself if you don't believe me. Yeah yeah, I'm helping scum blue hunt blah blah blah (though we don't even know if there is a blue in this game) but I feel like this is the best way I can help town. Day 1 is always a shit show. And what you're getting from me is my thoughts as I get them in my head. I'm not carefully thinking them through about how it would make me look, I'm just laying them out. If you want to come up with some bullshit justification for why that makes me scum, then fine. I get tilted and I know it. I also know that it puts me into a great position to look at the thread and gauge the reactions to the scum read of me, and use that information to figure out who might be scum. But I'm not gonna lie right now it's hard to want to do that.
And @rels idk what you were reading, but HF repeatedly asked me about the disinfo thing. It's why I went back to it multiple times to explain to him what he didn't seem to understand. Regardless I was tilted and operating from the assumption that kmatt/Koshi would be scum together. They might not be, but I felt like I was getting gang banged right of the gate by them and I was tunneled on them.
I don't know what else you want from me. I've never been a player (esp on day 1) that's been good at diving filters and pointing out inconsistencies, scum-meta reads, etc...I've always been better at fighting to show others I am town. You might not like it, but that's the player I am. If everyone has already decided that somehow my play this game makes me scum and/or is going to be patronizing assholes (a la HF) then I don't know what else I can do. But if people are actually willing to work with me then I can show that I'm town. On November 05 2016 01:19 ExO_ wrote:
I just woke up, and I have to run errands. I'll probably be back before EoD but I can't swear to it. What I will say is this:
I came into the thread just saying whatever I felt like. It's how I always play town. I don't try to carefully construct my posts I just say whats on my mind. I did a lot of OMGUS. When I finally sat and calmly looked at the game, I put a little suspicion on DF/Skynx because of short filter, and rels for a similar reason. But I've been attacked for switching views, for not tunneling, for tunneling at the start, and a whole variety of other things.
I don't know exactly how I could defend myself at this point. I've done my best to make you realize that I'm town. But a LOT of people are tunneling on me. I'm not sure what else I'd have to do to prove I'm town.
The idea that I had a scum slip is a complete joke. If I die today:
Lynch TT/Rels. Both are experienced townies yet are moronically pushing this lynch. Especially TT. After that I would look for people who coasted and just hopped on the wagon day 1.
Do not Lynch Calix: Calix is the most most obviously confirmed town here. I want to say NU as well because of filter length, but I'm not sure.
Anywho I'm running some errands now like I said. I should be back before EoD but my motivation to play this game is basically out the window. On October 29 2016 20:03 ExO_ wrote:
Why is it I go away for a bit and SL comes in and starts claiming I'm mafia left and right? I'm sorry I'm not the best player in this game but I did at least make an attempt to help town. idk what else you want me to do.
Regardless I still think Tube is mafia. He never did really explain adequately why he moved the way he did. For me that leaves
Tube/Kurumi/SL/Skynx as the most likely list of scum First post is from this game. Second post from the recent NSM where he was town and got ML D1. Last post is from Dota 2 where he was scum. Mind you in that game he died of dmg and was not under universal pressure like here or the NSM. I kinda felt like I was starting to see thing cause I thought for a second that he copied parts of the NSM one into this game. Which proved to be wrong. But another funny thing is: In NSM ppl started scumreading him we he opened with claiming VT. Why does he claim vt here now? That would only make sense if he was trying to invoke feelings from last game. Like "Oh I was claiming VT as town last game and that got me ML D1, lets try to do it here again?" Think it makes more sense for him to do that as scum. And in either case: where are his reads? I feel like timewise he should/would have come back by now and tell us who to lynch. And super ultra nitpick mode: all 3 posts have a variation of "idk what else to do". But the the one in his town game is more like "i tried, but" while in his scum game and this game it is more like "I suck, but". and yeah im somewhat bored. =p It's kinda a copy of his post where he voted ExO, that was after mine, but it is waaaay later so it's a different pattern than every one of his other posts. Every other post I quoted, he talked about something that he just read. This one, nobody was talking about how exo was scummy anymore. So it's different. Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 10:49 disformation wrote:
ExO_ (5): Kmatt, Holyflare, Koshi, Rels, sicklucker, disformation, Koshi
Alakaslam (2): Koshi, Koshi, LightningStrike
disformation (1): Holyflare, Koshi, Koshi, Alakaslam
Holyflare (1): ExO_
Kmatt (0): sicklucker
sicklucker (0): Koshi
Rels (0): Alakaslam
Bit of stuff planned tomorrow. Will try to find some time and look at reasons/timings behind the votes. Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 11:12 disformation wrote:On December 21 2016 10:49 disformation wrote:
ExO_ (5): Kmatt, Holyflare, Koshi, Rels, sicklucker, disformation, Koshi
Alakaslam (2): Koshi, Koshi, LightningStrike
disformation (1): Holyflare, Koshi, Koshi, Alakaslam
Holyflare (1): ExO_
Kmatt (0): sicklucker
sicklucker (0): Koshi
Rels (0): Alakaslam
Bit of stuff planned tomorrow. Will try to find some time and look at reasons/timings behind the votes. okay general thoughts: at least 1 scum on exo. i know im town. i think hf is town (let me look at his filter tomorrow). so at least one in: kmatt, sl, rels. if its two its not rels and sl. dont think they would hard tr each other over that mindmeld stuff. out of the three remaining players slam obv sticks out the most. and he apparently thought the deadline was later, so he didnt have time to "fix" that. one of ls and koshi might have the tmi factor going, but need to reread. but yeah tomorrow is filter time He was the first to do a colored votecounts. I do this in every one of my scumgames 'cause it's free town cred for 0 risk. TBF I also do this in the majority of my towngames. But the analysis is weak and doubtful. Pretty useless TBF. [/b][/b]
Like. Reading the thread might help?
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@Kmatt
Now that you have rightfully joined the wagon of justice and proofed you are at least better than 4 other people in this game. Can you look into sicklucker and Rels more in depth. Can they be mafia together?
Don't worry about disformation or Alakaslam. They are lock town.
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On December 23 2016 01:51 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2016 01:49 Kmatt wrote:On December 23 2016 01:32 disformation wrote:On December 23 2016 01:30 Kmatt wrote:On December 23 2016 01:13 Koshi wrote:
Kmatt
Get your ASS IN THIS THREAD
AND DO SHIT I was just reading chill. But yeah the bit about LS retconning his read on Exo doesn't make sense. I'm willing to go with your call on Rels/LS. I don't really see any other two players that work alongside each other anyway. This would also then assume that Disinfo is town and was just being doubted heavily. It still feels weird leaving SL and Slam out of the equation but since you guys were saying Slam is playing normally and SL has come around in the last day it doesn't leave many more options. ##Vote Lightningstrike Might be rich coming from me, but I would like to see more of your own opinion. Look at Slam's and SL's filter. Do you think they are town or scum? Do you think it makes sense that I was doubted? Do you think ppl should still doubt me? Rels made a pretty big case on me earlier. What do you think of it? The case on you worked at the time because other than Exo there weren't any players with red flags. Most of it boiled down to not having any big public reads and you got jumped for it. I personally don't see that as too heinous day1 but I can see why they would. Slam's filter doesn't have a lot going for it but if his story's true than he has a reason to not be around. And I simply don't believe mafia can afford to be this passive so far into the game. They need a ML and won't be sitting this cycle out. Especially with how things are flipping around the past hour or two. As for SL I saw this On December 22 2016 11:10 sicklucker wrote:
like no mafia in the history of mafai has held a n1 kill. hf is not this dumb bs.
Im cop with red check on holyflare.
Holyflare/kmart I'd like to see where that theory came from. At this point his mock scumcalling is meaningless to me. This part though resonated with me: On December 22 2016 23:53 sicklucker wrote:On December 22 2016 21:23 disformation wrote:
One of the things to consider though:
if the 2 scums are in Rels, SL and Kmatt (which is still likely). I am one of the few remaining options for them to get a ML.
As SL and Rels basically cant realistically SR each other.
Which I why I yesterday said: "I am looking forward to see who the suspects are going to scumread."
have a hard time figuring out if rels is the scum or just scum siding atm. then why am i hard defending you bro. I dont acualy think your town I just think there are more mafia people then you At this stage it's hard to find solid townreads but with the stay of execution we got last night I'm willing to take a chance on the lynch with Lightningstrike. I mean like this one, from 4 hours ago: Show nested quote +On December 22 2016 21:06 Rels wrote:Past the early game, the immense majority of disfo's post have been copies of what other people had done before. In addition, he's interacting positively with thread leaders and his reads always matches the general sentiement reads. There are tons of example, here is some of the obvious ones. OK I'm actually reworking this to be an actual proof of what I'm saying with every contentful post past early game analysed. With few exceptions, every post that disfo made is echoing something that someone else made before him. Keep it mind that the problem is not that he's sharing another player's point of view. THE PROBLEM IS THAT ALL HIS CONTENTFUL POSTS ARE MADE ON THE EXACT SUBJECT OF ANOTHER POST HE JUST READ. That might not be obvious from the timestamps, but if you're reading the thread and disfo's filter at the same time, the disfo post in those spoilers in his filter is just after the original post. Bad feeling about Rels (original idea from Koshi and Slam) + Show Spoiler +On December 20 2016 19:03 Alakaslam wrote:
Rels is too unsure in the wrong places.
Just a vibe; vibes fail me a lot.
Just tossing it out there because fish, mc chicken, I'm voting the vibe. So this vote isn't technically a ninja vote.
(I did this at 2AM but whatever.)
On December 20 2016 19:06 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 19:03 Alakaslam wrote:
Rels is too unsure in the wrong places.
Just a vibe; vibes fail me a lot.
Just tossing it out there because fish, mc chicken, I'm voting the vibe. So this vote isn't technically a ninja vote.
(I did this at 2AM but whatever.)
Ty slam. This is really good. Ty. On December 20 2016 20:43 disformation wrote:
Now I need to make up my mind on Rels.
Like I can kinda agree that "something feels off". But imo more in the part about me. Or him being waffly in general.
But I still like a bunch of his posts. Which makes me not want to lynch him. Also + points for getting some stuff about me roght before horribly backtracking.
Rels is pretty good though. So the whole thing is not outside of his scum range.
If SL and ExO_ would not be in the game, that would be a really hard one.
I think as of right now I would lynch Rels over Slam?
Still think today should be one of ExO_ or SL. (original idea from Rels) + Show Spoiler +On December 20 2016 09:19 Rels wrote:I'm caught up. disfo might be scum maybe, I didn't like his posts on SL and Slam these last few pages. But if the lynch was right now I would 1000% lynch exo. He's fighting very differently from the last game I played with him; in that one he OMGUSd every player that pushed him. Here he stated a reason for suspecting Koshi and Kmatt and repeated it over and over. Actually it makes up for like half of his filter: Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 01:44 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 01:43 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 01:34 ExO_ wrote:
so somehow koshi/kmatt are going to come into the thread, scum reading me for some stupid ass reason. kmatt ignores my comment about him buddying, as any scum would. and both koshi/kmatt ignore disinformation pseudo defending me. If I'm scummy, why isn't disinfo scummy too hmm koshi/kmatt? Okay looking back I misread you the first time, thought you meant I was buddying with LightningStrike by conversing. Still not really buddying with Sicklucker, it was LS who was having a hard time understanding the comment so there's no harm in explaining it to him. My bit about "being in this thread together" refers to the fact that SL could very easily answer these questions himself. And Disinfo not immediately agreeing with me doesn't make him scum. Being this invested in your own innocence and pointing fingers at us for having the audacity to doubt you is scummy. If you were really town you'd be proving it by lynching scum, not throwing shade because we're scumhunting. Disinfo didn't immediately agree with you, he disregarded your case by saying im not a morning person. Are you reading the same thread as I am? Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 01:54 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 01:49 Koshi wrote:
Feels like you are playing a game against this thread Exo.
Kmatt buddying
Disinfo defending
Koshi also mafia?
It's weird I don't think disinfo is scum, I'm saying you guys not finding him suspicious if you think I'm scum, is suspicious. Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 02:08 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 02:02 Koshi wrote:On December 20 2016 01:59 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 01:57 Koshi wrote:On December 20 2016 01:54 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 01:49 Koshi wrote:
Feels like you are playing a game against this thread Exo.
Kmatt buddying
Disinfo defending
Koshi also mafia?
It's weird I don't think disinfo is scum, I'm saying you guys not finding him suspicious if you think I'm scum, is suspicious. O rly? Can you explain why? I don't have a fucking reason to think he's scum yet. Especially when kmatt is over here omgusing me at the first thing I say and you are defending him like crazy. Do I already need to have a 5 page analysis on why I think every player is town? I'm not going to operate from the assumption that everyone is scum, that's fucking retarded. I'll scum read someone when I have a reason to think they are scum You are focussing on the wrong part of that sentence. I'm saying you guys not finding him suspicious if you think I'm scum, is suspicious. Why? Goddamn each refresh is a new red alert from my virusthingie. If you think I'm a scum: Kmatt comes into the thread and votes me. Disinfo basically brushes off the case saying I'm not a morning person and tries to redirect the conversation elsewhere. If you think I'm scum, why are you both ignoring disinfo doing this? Either you (and kmatt) don't really think I'm scum, or are ignoring disinfo here for some reason I cannot fathom. your turn Why aren't you scum reading him if you think I'm scum? Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 02:15 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 02:11 Holyflare wrote:
Then why the fuck are you angry at mafia calling you mafia? What possible reason is there for you to be tilted that he's playing his alignment?
What I'm saying is and what you've now confirmed is you're getting tilted by someone doing a shit play when it's their literal job to do that. It doesn't make sense at all. What if they aren't mafia? I don't like being called mafia at all. Especially for bullshit reasons. Literally look at the end of the most recent game I played. If you think this is getting "tilted" then I get tilted easily I guess. I don't understand why I'm not allowed to be tilted, especially when I say one sentence and am immediately voted and teamed by 2 people. Either way it's far too early in the thread for me to lock into both of them being mafia. So I can't just brush them off entirely. THAT would be a scummy thing to do. Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 02:27 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 02:21 Holyflare wrote:
So you think he's mafia for a bull shit vote
You get tilted regardless
You think disformation isn't suspicious
You push koshi and kmatt as suspicious for not finding disfo suspicious
You say that you are implying they are mafia
You say they might not be mafia and you might be wrong
Is that a fair summary? Can you explain why they should be suspicious of disformation? I'm about 100% sure koshi voted you for being angry at kmatt playing the game instead of some circular deflection logic.
Why does that make them suspicious instead of disformation ACTUALLY being suspicious? Like in a world where you're town you're saying 2 mafia/towns should find someone deflecting off a town you suspicious so why aren't you calling disformation suspicious at all?? I don't agree with your assessment of why Koshi "voted" me. Let Koshi speak for Koshi. I wasn't angry at Kmatt for playing the game, I was angry at being immediately OMGUSed, and I don't think it makes any sense for Koshi to vote me based on that. They should be suspicious of disinformation because he brushed off anything kmatt was trying to say about me being scum and tried to move the conversation elsewhere. If I'm scum, and disinfo is immediately trying to move the conversation elsewhere, it should be suspicious. What I'm implying is by not even saying anything about disinfo they are acting suspiciously, and looks scum-indicative to me. I know I'm town. So in order for me to find disinfo suspicious I have to think that he's ignoring what kmatt said about me not because he thinks its bad (which is the obvious conclusion in my mind) but becuase he's mafia just wanting to skirt by. That's not impossible I guess, but I don't think its nearly enough to scum read him for. Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 02:31 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 02:24 Holyflare wrote:
I cannot for the life of me fathom how someone can say people are suspicious for not pushing a non-suspicious person. Why is disinfo not-suspicious? My logic is this: Koshi/Kmatt think I'm scum Disinfo immediately tries to deflect the thread away from kmatt's scum reading of me Therefore if Koshi/Kmatt are really town, who really think I'm scum, they should at least be questioning disinfo Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 02:39 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 02:33 Holyflare wrote:On December 20 2016 02:27 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 02:21 Holyflare wrote:
So you think he's mafia for a bull shit vote
You get tilted regardless
You think disformation isn't suspicious
You push koshi and kmatt as suspicious for not finding disfo suspicious
You say that you are implying they are mafia
You say they might not be mafia and you might be wrong
Is that a fair summary? Can you explain why they should be suspicious of disformation? I'm about 100% sure koshi voted you for being angry at kmatt playing the game instead of some circular deflection logic.
Why does that make them suspicious instead of disformation ACTUALLY being suspicious? Like in a world where you're town you're saying 2 mafia/towns should find someone deflecting off a town you suspicious so why aren't you calling disformation suspicious at all?? I don't agree with your assessment of why Koshi "voted" me. Let Koshi speak for Koshi. I wasn't angry at Kmatt for playing the game, I was angry at being immediately OMGUSed, and I don't think it makes any sense for Koshi to vote me based on that. They should be suspicious of disinformation because he brushed off anything kmatt was trying to say about me being scum and tried to move the conversation elsewhere. If I'm scum, and disinfo is immediately trying to move the conversation elsewhere, it should be suspicious. What I'm implying is by not even saying anything about disinfo they are acting suspiciously, and looks scum-indicative to me. I know I'm town. So in order for me to find disinfo suspicious I have to think that he's ignoring what kmatt said about me not because he thinks its bad (which is the obvious conclusion in my mind) but becuase he's mafia just wanting to skirt by. That's not impossible I guess, but I don't think its nearly enough to scum read him for. But disformation finds your deflections scummy and has even said so. Why can't he be mafia avoiding a town vs town conflict because that's not what he wants to push or get into? He's just throwing minor accusations around and "doesn't want to make a comment on it yet" which is the exact response I'd expect of a mafia skating by. I'd expect you to be pushing this exact point. I'm gonna let you slide for now because there's always room for improvement. Make a stance on people please with indicative terms like mafia/town/null. That would be useful. At the time when I first posted, disinfo hadn't mentioned anything about finding me scummy. My initial reasoning for why they should find disinfo scummy stems from his initial post, not his posting after that. When you are asking me to explain my reasoning I can't just retroactively add in information to my posts that I didn't have at the time. And come off your high horse. "there's always room for improvement" blah blah blah. Shit like that just pisses me off On December 20 2016 21:18 disformation wrote:So. There was a recent game where exo was lynched D1 as VT. Link to his filterFirst post he claims VT. Gets voted by Calix for that. Immediately OMGUSES Calix. Then he starts to actually play the game. As the time for the lynch approaches: + Show Spoiler +On November 05 2016 01:19 ExO_ wrote:
I just woke up, and I have to run errands. I'll probably be back before EoD but I can't swear to it. What I will say is this:
I came into the thread just saying whatever I felt like. It's how I always play town. I don't try to carefully construct my posts I just say whats on my mind. I did a lot of OMGUS. When I finally sat and calmly looked at the game, I put a little suspicion on DF/Skynx because of short filter, and rels for a similar reason. But I've been attacked for switching views, for not tunneling, for tunneling at the start, and a whole variety of other things.
I don't know exactly how I could defend myself at this point. I've done my best to make you realize that I'm town. But a LOT of people are tunneling on me. I'm not sure what else I'd have to do to prove I'm town.
The idea that I had a scum slip is a complete joke. If I die today:
Lynch TT/Rels. Both are experienced townies yet are moronically pushing this lynch. Especially TT. After that I would look for people who coasted and just hopped on the wagon day 1.
Do not Lynch Calix: Calix is the most most obviously confirmed town here. I want to say NU as well because of filter length, but I'm not sure.
Anywho I'm running some errands now like I said. I should be back before EoD but my motivation to play this game is basically out the window. On November 05 2016 02:46 ExO_ wrote:
TT/Rels/NU should be your prime suspects. Those are my top 3 scum reads.
I also think there would've been a high chance for people to say "skynkx town read ExO at EoD b/c he's scum trying to get town cred". By pointing this out here I no longer think it'll happen. If it does though refer to this Conclusion: There are a bunch of similarities. Esp. at the start of the game. Tonewise I think his tone is way more over the top this game than it was in the game I linked. But as I said again and again: he has absolutely 0 reads this game. Look at his filter. Look at the two posts I quoted. See the difference? Imo ExO_ was actually a pretty easy town read in the game I linked. He had a wonky start, but after that he started actually playing and made good posts. This game we only have a huge appeal to emotion. ##vote ExO_ In fact he actually said later it was my post that gave him the idea to do that: On December 20 2016 22:51 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 22:46 Holyflare wrote:
So you knew exo played liked this before.
You didn't say a word earlier.
You said you didn't want to comment on it.
You made a big post that didn't mention it.
The game isn't in the database so you read it and knew because you were there at the time.
You make that post.
I call you out on the above.
You quote your late cycle post saying you mention it early???? No I had to reread the game? Cause I totally forgot about that game until Rels mentioned and I thought it would be a good idea to look at exos filter again? Cause I totally forgot about that game until Rels mentioned and I thought it would be a good idea to look at exos filter again? Had to look for the game. Took me like 10 mins to find it. Yes. Yes. Yes. (original idea from SL) + Show Spoiler +On December 21 2016 00:10 sicklucker wrote:
I dont think ill lynch anyone but exo or slam today On December 21 2016 00:13 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 20:44 disformation wrote:
And TBH really the two scums are in ExO_, SL, Rels, Slam. This is a very bad path to go. I agree with exo and slam being the most likely. but the chance of them being the two scum out of 9 combiniations of people. And like I said me and rels are town. if you follow this you lose town the game because koshi and hf are crafty scum On December 21 2016 00:15 disformation wrote:
fun facts about slam:
doesnt mention exo even once.
throws a bit of shade in a throwaway post early on SL.
jumps on rels and then me.
not saying anything. just in case exo flips red (which is likely imo). (original idea from Koshi) + Show Spoiler +On December 21 2016 00:24 Koshi wrote:
Could Kmatt and Exo be mafia partners? That little outburst at the start? Was it odd? On December 21 2016 00:34 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 00:24 Koshi wrote:
Could Kmatt and Exo be mafia partners? That little outburst at the start? Was it odd? There was def. something off in that exchange. It is like a reaction bait into a reaction bait into ExO_ being super pissed. And it def. doesnt read super natural. So I am thinking there is probably a scummer in there. Since ExO_ didnt come back to play, but only to fish for feels I am assuming the one scummer is him. For both to be scum I think they have to be cool with Kmatt getting enough cred off that to carry? Or they went to far and dont have the motivation to salvage it? Like Kmatt didnt have a huge thread presence in his other game either, so I dont think him going carry is like a plan. Unless they are like sicklucker and just wanted to do it. Like exo points out a mehish point on Kmatt for disassociation, Kmatt goes right back at him and either ExO_ gets pissed by that, or he tries to fake the game I linked? I guess it is not impossible, but it sounds fairly far fetched for me. On December 21 2016 00:40 disformation wrote:And kmatt is even somewhat deflecting off ppl trying to talk about other lynches: Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 03:24 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 03:15 Koshi wrote:
Kmatt don't be disconnected to what is happening right now. I'm phone posting and it's cold, give me a break. To be honest I don't like where this is going. Looks like a repeat of my NSM game where I was under scrutiny, NocturneMage questioned me gently before levelling off and got someone else lynched. This sudden interest in disinformation, while justifiable, looks like it has mafia influence. Which would mean he is bussing pretty hard and not even looking to trying to deflect. (original idea from Koshi and LS) + Show Spoiler +On December 21 2016 06:56 Koshi wrote:
Maybe we lynch the Slamfish? On December 21 2016 06:57 LightningStrike wrote:I forgot he was even in this game lmao. Will check his filter. On December 21 2016 06:58 disformation wrote:
Well Slam graciously avoided talking about exo at _all_ On December 21 2016 06:59 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 06:58 disformation wrote:
Well Slam graciously avoided talking about exo at _all_ and had a bad post on SL. but some decent once on rels then he votes me and gtfos i think thats his entire filter (original idea from HF) + Show Spoiler +On December 21 2016 08:26 Holyflare wrote:
I think we should lynch kmatt, that re-entry to the thread and saying nothing annoys me On December 21 2016 09:17 disformation wrote:
also starting to get tired.
like i went through kmatts filter and the only thing that you could say is that his filter feels to linear. as in: he "pokes lowhanging fruit" (he even calls exo that). exo explodes and just keeps his vote on him. not much of scumhunting or reads until his list post.
thing is. this progression makes a lot of sense for town too given how exo played and his list post is legit good imo.
wait didnt someone call it bad for some reason? On December 21 2016 09:28 disformation wrote:
Dunno doesnt really feel like a "case" on him.
Still think there is at least 1 scum in kmatt/exo_
not 100% sure we are on the right side, but I still think exo is more likely. margin a bit smaller now though.
do we even have enough ppl to make kmatt a thing? dont think so :/ On December 21 2016 09:29 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 09:28 Kmatt wrote:
Aaaaaaaa now I'm getting cold feet. I liked this better as scum, I never had to think about this. The uncertainty is killing me. I'm going off for a bit, I'll try to be back before the flip in case something comes up. that is like a really odd post. like i kinda agree with the sentiment, but you were super adamant about exo like all damn game long. xD On December 21 2016 09:29 disformation wrote:On December 21 2016 09:28 Kmatt wrote:
Aaaaaaaa now I'm getting cold feet. I liked this better as scum, I never had to think about this. The uncertainty is killing me. I'm going off for a bit, I'll try to be back before the flip in case something comes up. that is like a really odd post. like i kinda agree with the sentiment, but you were super adamant about exo like all damn game long. xD You don't say Kmatt / Rels are scummy (original idea from Koshi) + Show Spoiler +On December 21 2016 17:32 Koshi wrote:
Ok so mafia just thought it was better to lynch ExO over Slam.
For me mafia team is Rels/Kmatt atm.
Disformation might be town.
Sicklucker is confirmed really bad at the game. On December 21 2016 17:33 Koshi wrote:
6.Rels
8. Kmatt
5.sicklucker
9.disformation
7.Holyflare
1.Alakaslam
4.LightningStrike
On December 21 2016 21:24 disformation wrote:I think its kmatt +1. partially because I think that the exo vs kmatt thing was not tvt. another thing is how he approached the exo wagon the whole day and then made quite a few strange posts right before eod after being "Nah exo didnt post anything that changed my mind". something is def. wrong surrounding rels. like the sl mindmeld on him, with rels tring sl super hard. the whole approach on me. he was also pretty waffly on exo at the start right? will be back later to look at some filters in more detail. tbh I am super looking forward to see, who the suspects are going to want to lynch themselves. (original idea from Koshi and Rels) + Show Spoiler +On December 21 2016 17:31 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 11:43 Alakaslam wrote:
Are EL S was saying some stuff, I can't remember squat I just remember being suspicious of him /orgasm You are confirmed town. On December 21 2016 17:33 Koshi wrote:
6.Rels
8. Kmatt
5.sicklucker
9.disformation
7.Holyflare
1.Alakaslam
4.LightningStrike
On December 21 2016 19:18 Rels wrote:
Slam is pretty townie in this interaction with HF post flip On December 21 2016 21:26 disformation wrote:
especially after slam looks a lot better now. (original idea from Koshi and Rels) + Show Spoiler +On December 21 2016 23:26 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 23:24 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not ruling out kmatt disfo. He seemed pretty weird around the disfo wagon "all the points on disfo are great but this wagon I'm repeatedly having cold feet about is better!" I am not ruling out LS/HF. But it's pretty low on my probability list. On December 22 2016 00:49 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 23:50 Holyflare wrote:
Alssooo don't think sl and kmatt are a team based on the way kmatt was explaining all sl's towny intentions at the start of the game good point. Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 23:26 Koshi wrote:On December 21 2016 23:24 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not ruling out kmatt disfo. He seemed pretty weird around the disfo wagon "all the points on disfo are great but this wagon I'm repeatedly having cold feet about is better!" I am not ruling out LS/HF. But it's pretty low on my probability list. Overall I think LS is town, but I wish he had more reads in his filter. Like start of his filter is a bit of interaction/questioning early D1 without conclusions. Though I think that the questions into nothing and him generally not having a lot of formulated reads fit his town meta. Though I agree that he should be low on the priority list. Would like to see more stuff from him though. On December 22 2016 01:06 disformation wrote:
So looking at filters for votes and stuff. part 1.
LS (see my last post): looks more town than scum. not impossible to be scum. like if his partner is on exo and slam is town, he could have been trying to come up with a decent reason to not be on the same wagon. but I dont think his behaviour/tone match up with that.
Slam starts pushing and voting Rels over Rels having a strange/wrong read on me. Rels rectifies his read on me and points out a pretty scummy post by me. Slam votes me and just returns b4 the deadline. still would liked for him to say something about why he was voting me, but in context it makes sense. An analysis on LS and Slam. LS he just talked about it with Koshi. Slam see the previous spoiler where he says Slam is looking better after Koshi and I said it, (original idea from HF) + Show Spoiler +On December 20 2016 03:26 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 03:24 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 03:15 Koshi wrote:
Kmatt don't be disconnected to what is happening right now. I'm phone posting and it's cold, give me a break. To be honest I don't like where this is going. Looks like a repeat of my NSM game where I was under scrutiny, NocturneMage questioned me gently before levelling off and got someone else lynched. This sudden interest in disinformation, while justifiable, looks like it has mafia influence. Oh baby. On December 22 2016 01:37 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 03:26 Holyflare wrote:On December 20 2016 03:24 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 03:15 Koshi wrote:
Kmatt don't be disconnected to what is happening right now. I'm phone posting and it's cold, give me a break. To be honest I don't like where this is going. Looks like a repeat of my NSM game where I was under scrutiny, NocturneMage questioned me gently before levelling off and got someone else lynched. This sudden interest in disinformation, while justifiable, looks like it has mafia influence. Oh baby. btw that was also a pretty good post. guess what kmatts answer was? On December 22 2016 01:40 disformation wrote:ah nope he actually answered it. Though it is super ahrd to discern. answer was this: Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 03:30 Kmatt wrote:
Nothing that anyone has said about disinformation seems wrong. He's definitely contributing less to the discussion. However, for us to go from being mostly in agreement on Exo to an entirely different case out of nowhere seems worng. but yeah I guess I have to take a break. getting confused with that many tabs open. also sl filter not that fun to read. (original idea from HF) + Show Spoiler +On December 22 2016 03:32 Holyflare wrote:
If kmatt is mafia I'm safe calling sl town. He also seems not grumpy but he's also self aware of that now so probably means nothing.
I need to look into whether rels has ever mentioned kmatt at all. On December 22 2016 04:30 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2016 03:32 Holyflare wrote:
If kmatt is mafia I'm safe calling sl town. He also seems not grumpy but he's also self aware of that now so probably means nothing.
I need to look into whether rels has ever mentioned kmatt at all. He mentions kmatt very early in the post sicklucker mindmelds him for. Asks a few questions of Kmatt. Later: Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 18:45 Rels wrote:
Kmatt might be townier that I thought. I didn't like his early posts but that's because I didn't understand the logic. The rest of his filter is pretty natural, especially on exo, and I don't remember Kmatt being a good scum in the last game he played. I will have to reread it at some point to verify that thought. After Kmatts wall: Asks Kmatt a few questions at EoD about ExO_ etc. I think I told Rels that Kmatt was actually pretty good in the last scum game. Not sure if Rels reacted to that. Dont think so. Oh wait he even links it himself: but no comment on contents of that game, from what i have seen. Well I could go on and on. ACTUALLY THAT WAS MY OLD CONCLUSION I DID GO ON AND ON LOL. I SEE THIS PATTERN EVERYWHERE DISFO HAS NEVER HAD AN ORIGINAL THOUGHT DISFO DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO AND ONLY DOES THINGS AFTER SOMEONE ELSE DID IT OR MENTIONNED IT DISFO READS ARE 100% THE AGGLOMERATE OF THE THREAD READS, ESPECIALLY THE THREAD LEADER, AT ALL POINTS EXCEPTIONS: Posts with actual content that I didn't find a match for: On December 21 2016 04:52 disformation wrote:On December 20 2016 13:00 ExO_ wrote:
Just got home from work. Jesus Christ though, this is just like touhou mafia. Scum read on day 1 for bullshit.
'll tell you this much: I'm VT. Every time I've claimed VT on TL mafia forums I have been VT, check for yourself if you don't believe me. Yeah yeah, I'm helping scum blue hunt blah blah blah (though we don't even know if there is a blue in this game) but I feel like this is the best way I can help town. Day 1 is always a shit show. And what you're getting from me is my thoughts as I get them in my head. I'm not carefully thinking them through about how it would make me look, I'm just laying them out. If you want to come up with some bullshit justification for why that makes me scum, then fine. I get tilted and I know it. I also know that it puts me into a great position to look at the thread and gauge the reactions to the scum read of me, and use that information to figure out who might be scum. But I'm not gonna lie right now it's hard to want to do that.
And @rels idk what you were reading, but HF repeatedly asked me about the disinfo thing. It's why I went back to it multiple times to explain to him what he didn't seem to understand. Regardless I was tilted and operating from the assumption that kmatt/Koshi would be scum together. They might not be, but I felt like I was getting gang banged right of the gate by them and I was tunneled on them.
I don't know what else you want from me. I've never been a player (esp on day 1) that's been good at diving filters and pointing out inconsistencies, scum-meta reads, etc...I've always been better at fighting to show others I am town. You might not like it, but that's the player I am. If everyone has already decided that somehow my play this game makes me scum and/or is going to be patronizing assholes (a la HF) then I don't know what else I can do. But if people are actually willing to work with me then I can show that I'm town. On November 05 2016 01:19 ExO_ wrote:
I just woke up, and I have to run errands. I'll probably be back before EoD but I can't swear to it. What I will say is this:
I came into the thread just saying whatever I felt like. It's how I always play town. I don't try to carefully construct my posts I just say whats on my mind. I did a lot of OMGUS. When I finally sat and calmly looked at the game, I put a little suspicion on DF/Skynx because of short filter, and rels for a similar reason. But I've been attacked for switching views, for not tunneling, for tunneling at the start, and a whole variety of other things.
I don't know exactly how I could defend myself at this point. I've done my best to make you realize that I'm town. But a LOT of people are tunneling on me. I'm not sure what else I'd have to do to prove I'm town.
The idea that I had a scum slip is a complete joke. If I die today:
Lynch TT/Rels. Both are experienced townies yet are moronically pushing this lynch. Especially TT. After that I would look for people who coasted and just hopped on the wagon day 1.
Do not Lynch Calix: Calix is the most most obviously confirmed town here. I want to say NU as well because of filter length, but I'm not sure.
Anywho I'm running some errands now like I said. I should be back before EoD but my motivation to play this game is basically out the window. On October 29 2016 20:03 ExO_ wrote:
Why is it I go away for a bit and SL comes in and starts claiming I'm mafia left and right? I'm sorry I'm not the best player in this game but I did at least make an attempt to help town. idk what else you want me to do.
Regardless I still think Tube is mafia. He never did really explain adequately why he moved the way he did. For me that leaves
Tube/Kurumi/SL/Skynx as the most likely list of scum First post is from this game. Second post from the recent NSM where he was town and got ML D1. Last post is from Dota 2 where he was scum. Mind you in that game he died of dmg and was not under universal pressure like here or the NSM. I kinda felt like I was starting to see thing cause I thought for a second that he copied parts of the NSM one into this game. Which proved to be wrong. But another funny thing is: In NSM ppl started scumreading him we he opened with claiming VT. Why does he claim vt here now? That would only make sense if he was trying to invoke feelings from last game. Like "Oh I was claiming VT as town last game and that got me ML D1, lets try to do it here again?" Think it makes more sense for him to do that as scum. And in either case: where are his reads? I feel like timewise he should/would have come back by now and tell us who to lynch. And super ultra nitpick mode: all 3 posts have a variation of "idk what else to do". But the the one in his town game is more like "i tried, but" while in his scum game and this game it is more like "I suck, but". and yeah im somewhat bored. =p It's kinda a copy of his post where he voted ExO, that was after mine, but it is waaaay later so it's a different pattern than every one of his other posts. Every other post I quoted, he talked about something that he just read. This one, nobody was talking about how exo was scummy anymore. So it's different. On December 21 2016 10:49 disformation wrote:
ExO_ (5): Kmatt, Holyflare, Koshi, Rels, sicklucker, disformation, Koshi
Alakaslam (2): Koshi, Koshi, LightningStrike
disformation (1): Holyflare, Koshi, Koshi, Alakaslam
Holyflare (1): ExO_
Kmatt (0): sicklucker
sicklucker (0): Koshi
Rels (0): Alakaslam
Bit of stuff planned tomorrow. Will try to find some time and look at reasons/timings behind the votes. On December 21 2016 11:12 disformation wrote:On December 21 2016 10:49 disformation wrote:
ExO_ (5): Kmatt, Holyflare, Koshi, Rels, sicklucker, disformation, Koshi
Alakaslam (2): Koshi, Koshi, LightningStrike
disformation (1): Holyflare, Koshi, Koshi, Alakaslam
Holyflare (1): ExO_
Kmatt (0): sicklucker
sicklucker (0): Koshi
Rels (0): Alakaslam
Bit of stuff planned tomorrow. Will try to find some time and look at reasons/timings behind the votes. okay general thoughts: at least 1 scum on exo. i know im town. i think hf is town (let me look at his filter tomorrow). so at least one in: kmatt, sl, rels. if its two its not rels and sl. dont think they would hard tr each other over that mindmeld stuff. out of the three remaining players slam obv sticks out the most. and he apparently thought the deadline was later, so he didnt have time to "fix" that. one of ls and koshi might have the tmi factor going, but need to reread. but yeah tomorrow is filter time He was the first to do a colored votecounts. I do this in every one of my scumgames 'cause it's free town cred for 0 risk. TBF I also do this in the majority of my towngames. But the analysis is weak and doubtful. Pretty useless TBF. Like. Reading the thread might help? [/b][/b]
What stops me from marking you scum is that you defended Exo. Granted if you were scum you could have been playing off that you knew he was dead anyway and wanted town cred for it, but you could have gotten away with it with less effort.
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im down to lynch ls. it was sick tmi that he didnt want to lynch exo. ls never has real reads even as town
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On December 23 2016 02:01 Koshi wrote:
@Kmatt
Now that you have rightfully joined the wagon of justice and proofed you are at least better than 4 other people in this game. Can you look into sicklucker and Rels more in depth. Can they be mafia together?
Don't worry about disformation or Alakaslam. They are lock town.
Can you walk me through Kmatt? I'm pretty conflicted.
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can we lynch both of them? hedge are bets
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On December 23 2016 02:13 sicklucker wrote:
can we lynch both of them? hedge are bets
That won't really work due to majority lynch. Either you bandwagon me or we all jump ship to LS.
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On December 23 2016 02:11 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2016 02:01 Koshi wrote:
@Kmatt
Now that you have rightfully joined the wagon of justice and proofed you are at least better than 4 other people in this game. Can you look into sicklucker and Rels more in depth. Can they be mafia together?
Don't worry about disformation or Alakaslam. They are lock town. Can you walk me through Kmatt? I'm pretty conflicted.
my eyes dont bleed blood when I read his filter. So he does better than 2 people in this game.
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On December 23 2016 02:14 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2016 02:13 sicklucker wrote:
can we lynch both of them? hedge are bets That won't really work due to majority lynch. Either you bandwagon me or we all jump ship to LS.
See with posts like this i kinda feel he is just completely lost in this game without teammates / a coach.
Like is that possible to fake?
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On December 23 2016 02:15 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2016 02:11 disformation wrote:On December 23 2016 02:01 Koshi wrote:
@Kmatt
Now that you have rightfully joined the wagon of justice and proofed you are at least better than 4 other people in this game. Can you look into sicklucker and Rels more in depth. Can they be mafia together?
Don't worry about disformation or Alakaslam. They are lock town. Can you walk me through Kmatt? I'm pretty conflicted. my eyes dont bleed blood when I read his filter. So he does better than 2 people in this game.
Dunno like every post from him since EoD1 is super wtf to me.
and its getting hard to tell if it is scum wtf or town wtf.
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ill just sit on the sidelines and vote the most mafia
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On December 23 2016 02:17 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2016 02:14 Kmatt wrote:On December 23 2016 02:13 sicklucker wrote:
can we lynch both of them? hedge are bets That won't really work due to majority lynch. Either you bandwagon me or we all jump ship to LS. See with posts like this i kinda feel he is just completely lost in this game without teammates / a coach. Like is that possible to fake?
How am I "lost"? I mean I can entertain the thought of being seen as scum, but passing on a lynch is always bad, right?
If we lynch without confidence there's a low% chance that we ML. If we don't lynch at all there's a 0% chance of hitting scum, and mafia won't NK themselves either.
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