EPTOn August 25 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote:
I'm shooting kurumi and I have other information
I'm shooting kurumi and I have other information
reason being, dammy? or should I call you... DUMMY!
hahaha
yeah, but what for?
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reason being, dammy? or should I call you... DUMMY! hahaha yeah, but what for? | ||
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On August 25 2016 07:38 sicklucker wrote: can i just yolo nuke kitaman and win or lose the game? everyones so emo its for the best. rest of the mafia team should be easy read your pm dude you got old | ||
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The gods take action The ways of the gods are mysterious. Disformation has been smitten down. The greatest President in the history of the United States will be sorely missed by his people. Disformation as Donald J. Trump has been killed + Show Spoiler [Role] + Donald J. Trump Nationality: USA Faction: Town Starting Location: USA Traits: Rich, Rogue Abilities:
Old Donald J. Trump Nationality: USA Faction: Town Current Location: USA Traits: Rich, Rogue, Old Abilities:
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Half the Sky
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With the significant number of town flips, Trfel's filter goes from a steaming pile of shit to the realisation that be might have helped us get a little closer to the actual mafia. I am in a world of a five player mafia team, 4 of which we need to sort out. (Disformation, to answer your question - for m28, I would expect 5 mafia, once you hit 30, you could get away with six. 29-player JOAT had six.) Thinking through potential agendas, I am also in a world where 1-2 are active enough yet just under the radar, there's 1 player who is near universally townread, and there's 1 lurker. I want to walk everyone through Trfel's filter and explain a few things. Trfel has been virtually pushing townies all game and generally does when he's mafia. Slight wifom disclaimer as he was close to dying when trying to put out his last set of reads but the vast majority of those had flipped town and I have a town read on Tumblewood. In his list post he also brings up a huge list of scummy people - keeping his options open. Post 2276/2657 On August 20 2016 03:19 Trfel wrote: List of Suspicious People Tumblewood + Show Spoiler + Only focused on begging for money at the start of the game, and hasn't been doing anything since then. His activity and involvement have been greatly reduced at the same time that everyone is completely ignoring him. Artanis + Show Spoiler + http://puu.sh/m65Ss/2e73e123af.png I forget how to actually make images appear, but whatever. The point is that much of the game is suspicious of Artanis, yet he has been barely caring at all, despite many people talking about actual reasons. He's just accepting it. Shapelog + Show Spoiler + I think he's very likely third party. He's been the most disinterested and uninvolved I've ever seen. I feel like he'd be more involved as both town and scum, since he's consistently shown that in the past. But his play feels purely reactionary and shows no motivation to actually do anything. GlowingBear + Show Spoiler + Vote manipulation in the election, and then choosing chaos. Then posted a bunch of useless info from random QTs. Feels like he used his NSA powers to try and compensate for his earlier actions without actually contributing. sicklucker + Show Spoiler + First he was defending Artanis, then attacking Artanis, then to the point of saying that if sicklucker dies, it means that Artanis is mafia and killed him, then defending Artanis again? And yet still using what he thought was (seemingly) a cop check on him?!?!!? All with zero reasoning the entire time... Chezinu + Show Spoiler + 107% of the vote, and over Superbia. With zero explanation, zero scumhunting, zero involving the town. On August 21 2016 03:16 Trfel wrote: New List of Suspicious People Tumblewood Artanis Skynx Shapelog GlowingBear iamperfection sicklucker Chezinu Can discuss reasons if necessary. Mostly the same as my previous list. Skynx added due to the QT, iamperfection added because of uninvolvement and claiming a notification. Reminds of of ritoky's play in Carol of the Bells where claiming a notification confirmed him as mafia. Need to head out for a bit. Need to think about this Artanis lynch, the QT seems really condemning but his protesting feels much more like town!Artanis than mafia. In a game with likely five mafia, Trfel has way more than this. This tells me he's keeping his options open to see where the wind blows. And as I've said correctly before (spoiler) + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2016 21:08 Half the Sky wrote: Trfel is someone that I know spins behaviour to be mafia when he is exclusively mafia. (1) Artanis had not been hiding the DGAF attitude so he didn't care that he was getting scumread for it, which is actually a towny trait (2) The so called bounty hunter role (or the action of controlling someone's body) is a mechanic that (knowing Palmar) could be assigned to either alignment (3) Onegu will "not care" what others think as town or scum (the latter example: see Outlaw). So I really don't like that post either. On August 17 2016 23:42 Half the Sky wrote: This is where I am: Not entirely sure/will need to be sussed out a bit more: GlowingBear (some townie thought towards the end, though I am deliberately ignoring mechs here, some similar reads to mine) Dandel Ion (meh) Lunaticman (need to really see actual reads and not just surviving on mech discussion) Grackaroni (originally was good but not remembering too many impactful posts from him more recently, falling under the radar?) MZ (some of his reads I liked but more content would make me more confident on him) The "dear vig, please take out the trash" pile: Rels (pending catching up) Stutters695 Kurumi Shapelog Fecalfeast Possible scum Trfel (it's somewhere in my filter) sicklucker (where are the reads) Chezinu (all he does is go on about his position, someone please shoot him, clearly he's not helping town even compared to Star Wars where you got some semblance he was trying to) Scum reads prplhz Onegu (I make no distinction between anti-town third parties and scum) IAP I would say that vigis should target the bottom six players. Trfel's mafia meta is taking things and spinning them to be mafia. Finally Trfel (ref: Fullmetal Mafia is my most recent recollection) consistently keeps teammates out of the spotlight. Trfel doesn't touch on Damdred or Rels at all, or Kurumi, Stutters, or Fecalfeast. He brings up IAMP for uninvolvement....and fails to do the same for certain others. (Note: Yes we brought up both the notifications but I want to focus on the "uninvolvement" part because it points to a double standard.) Trfel also scumreads sicklucker for something sicklucker will do as both alignments. This makes me think there's a decent chance sicklucker might actually be town. A similar pattern with Tumblewood, who I was townreading for independent reasons: + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2016 05:06 Trfel wrote: His involvement is purely self-seeking, and not town seeking. Initially, he was only involved to get money for his secondary win condition. Now, he's completely uninvolved (after presumably receiving money and not being suspected). Again the MO of spinning something for something that doesn't make someone mafia. Here's another thought: The fact that Trfel lists IAMP on this list does actually support that Trfel and IAMP aren't same alignment and that IAMP really is likely to be third party. Rels on the other hand had done zero up to that point and yet isn't mentioned here. Something to consider. I have independent reasons to townread Kurumi so I will leave him out from the association list for now. Contrast Trfel's approach with Artanis' (example) + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2016 20:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: People that may be carpet bombed for afkness Stutters695 Rels Shapelog Fecalfeast sicklucker Kurumi Trfel? People that may be carpet bombed because they stink of mafia Onegu prplhz sicklucker iamperfection People that are in both lists sicklucker Preferred target acquired. Artanis takes all the scummy looking people at that point (Damdred was decent Day 1 and disjoined reads he's had as town so I figured he was okay) and doesn't ignore anyone. TLDR: Trfel's read formation indicates that sicklucker is more likely to be town, same for Tumble, and less likely so for Stutters/Rels/Damdred/Fecalfeast/Kurumi, on that point alone. + Show Spoiler + (sicklucker is more likely to be town as well esp when combined with the agendas of the others, but that is more associative at this time, until there's an additional flip.) Why did Trfel pay attention to those he did and not some of the others? It's a double standard. Now are all those people mafia? Probably not. I was independently townreading TW, and Kurumi could be town. Fecalfeast has been lazy as both alignments and Stutters is low volume as both alignments. | ||
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koshi, is zeus pesky enough that he smites randomly? | ||
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On August 25 2016 07:45 sicklucker wrote: oh so i got role blocked or some shit for the rest of the game great. I was able ot use my abilitys once. great hosting palmar so useless you and me sl, you and me | ||
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Simply type: ##bow down to Koshi Prime. God of the Gods | ||
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Koshi what are your abilities and why did you use the Zeus power what did you think it would do? And what else do you have? | ||
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On August 25 2016 07:47 Half the Sky wrote: We need to vote and town really need to step up their game, I'm kinda pissed about losing the most obvious town but this game's mechanics is what it is.... Koshi what are your abilities and why did you use the Zeus power what did you think it would do? And what else do you have? Silence puny mortal!!! Only talk to me after you swore loyalty to me. | ||
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