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On July 06 2016 08:31 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: Dont be in a bad mood shapelog <3
Oh god, I do not want to see <3's right now. *stutters*
What are u doing, both in RL and Solving the game?
IRL I'm about to watch America's Got Talent. Such a horrible show but girlfriend makes me watch it. More broadly, I've recently made a career transition from chemical engineer to software engineer. Chemical engineering was really boring. I've been pretty busy doing stuff out of state for a while for my new job.
Last week I reached 170 lbs and decided I needed to go on a diet to get back to 150. Another step in my slow and inefficient path to getting ripped.
Once a week weed smoking as been going pretty well so far. It helps in keeping tolerance low and staying productive.
You?
Oh yeah the game. I don't have smart things to say right now. So I'll summarize the game indecisively.
There's the inevitable Koshi drama, which I haven't tried to read much into. There's the whole "townread kush or not" debate. I can see reasons for scum being on either side of that.
My scumlist is nothing too exciting. Lynchbait and some under-performing regulars. Also, I'm not going to try hard to not be fooled by try hard scum at this stage.
On July 06 2016 08:31 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: Dont be in a bad mood shapelog <3
Oh god, I do not want to see <3's right now. *stutters*
What are u doing, both in RL and Solving the game?
IRL I'm about to watch America's Got Talent. Such a horrible show but girlfriend makes me watch it. More broadly, I've recently made a career transition from chemical engineer to software engineer. Chemical engineering was really boring. I've been pretty busy doing stuff out of state for a while for my new job.
Last week I reached 170 lbs and decided I needed to go on a diet to get back to 150. Another step in my slow and inefficient path to getting ripped.
Once a week weed smoking as been going pretty well so far. It helps in keeping tolerance low and staying productive.
You?
Oh yeah the game. I don't have smart things to say right now. So I'll summarize the game indecisively.
There's the inevitable Koshi drama, which I haven't tried to read much into. There's the whole "townread kush or not" debate. I can see reasons for scum being on either side of that.
My scumlist is nothing too exciting. Lynchbait and some under-performing regulars. Also, I'm not going to try hard to not be fooled by try hard scum at this stage.
Nice new job. Sounds like its better for you too. Though, does this mean all our talks about your career and that life are now gone?
170 pounds is fat for you? How? Like honestly, 170 is a pretty decent number, that a lot of people Ik would dream of reaching. Like, building muscle I could understand, but I do not think 20 pounds is terrible.
Never done illegal drugs, and will never do it. If it helps i guess, then good?
for me, I basically haven't done much today other then checking in on my other game, and playing games with GF online. Today I didn't have to get up to work early, so I been chilling, About to get off in a few for a night out. I am trying to ponder on how to build a software, that will Auto-download updates during the free data period I have, But I barely know anything about programming, so researching that is coming up.
Your scumlist is quite boring dear lord. No one active is striking you as scum?
Shapes questions: So Why the vote on VA, if 5 other people are in that list too. Also, what is your read on Prp?
I am reading prplhz as scum. Kush says that prplhz doesn't have low activity this game, but if you look at his posts, they aren't too useful.
Furthermore, the following post is suspicious: "I'm having a hard time convincing myself that Koshi is serious, but it seems like he is? I don't know I think sometimes there is a rule that we don't discuss modkills/bans/whatever and I think that's a good idea because it doesn't do anything for us.
I mean, lets not discuss if he should be modkilled or if Palmar went too far when he quoted a post and wrote "hahahahaha" (forgot how many "ha"s). Half the Sky and LightningStrike can handle that.
Seems townie that he gets so mad tho?"
If you don't want to discuss modkills and bans and want to leave the hosting to the hosts, then why are you bringing this up? Especially after the topic was several pages back and pretty much dropped already... This kind of post could be intended to induce the town into more spamming/fighting/shit-talking and less actual mafia-hunting. Seems unnecessarily distracting.
Earlier he was kind of town-reading Koshi, but in a way that makes your head asplode. "Why would someone (KOoshi), as mafia, think it's a good idea to be nicer than he usually is? As mafia, you usually try to act like you usually do, and Koshi usually doesn't try to be nice (and he knows this)?"
In fact, almost all of his posts are related to Koshi, even though I haven't seen much in the way of people suggesting that Koshi is scum. Is he actually just obsessed with Koshi for some reason, or perhaps trying to associate himself with a strong town player that most people are town-reading (who he KNOWS is town)?
Kush, Koshi, Race Bannon, VE, skynx all sound like town
There exists a reason to read Damdred and VA as town
prplhz, vivax are semi-scummy but meh.
I'm ignoring shapelog but probably don't lynch because of activity
The only reason DCWasabi is in the game is because I just checked the playerlist.
sicklucker is almost 100% going to flip mafia. Between the amount of people who sound relatively townie and his own complete lack of contributions and "I'm mafia" trolling, there is a very, very real chance he is mafia. He has posted several times in the thread and clearly has nothing to say, so he falls back on "Who are we killing today"? Which is basically a post written for the sole purpose of saying something, anything.
I am pretty certain he is the right lynch today, he's had plenty of time to do stuff and come up with nothing. Almost everyone in town sounds more townie than he does and yeah... he's just mafia
I think my favorite lynch so far is VA - his effort so far has been sub-par even for him, and his latest set of posts intimates a scumread on prplhz but no vote and no reasoning - followed by a promise to sheep Koshi's replacement, even though he's got a scumread himself. This tells me that he's either A) town and gives very few shits about this game or B) mafia trying to lay low while pocketing Koshi/Koshi's replacement. I find B to be more likely, as VA tends to have a more authoritative way when he's town - takes no shit, lets no shit slide, etc.
On July 06 2016 17:25 VisceraEyes wrote: I think my favorite lynch so far is VA - his effort so far has been sub-par even for him, and his latest set of posts intimates a scumread on prplhz but no vote and no reasoning - followed by a promise to sheep Koshi's replacement, even though he's got a scumread himself. This tells me that he's either A) town and gives very few shits about this game or B) mafia trying to lay low while pocketing Koshi/Koshi's replacement. I find B to be more likely, as VA tends to have a more authoritative way when he's town - takes no shit, lets no shit slide, etc.
##Vote: VayneAuthority
VA's "I'll sheep whoever koshi's replacement is" post is maybe not super townie, but it's at least 1 reason to think he might be town. It sounds like somewhat of a genuine thing.
I'm not really gonna defend VA though, he could very, very easily be mafia, there is a reason I initially scumread him. I just think there is a better reason to kill sicklucker.
On July 06 2016 01:20 Skynx wrote: I dunno man I'm rly not into meta yet. Only played with you and kush before. Well, shaprlog in 1day counts aswell i think but he didn't play very good.
I'm gona browse some scumgamea from everyone brb.
Eh I'm not really using meta necessarily more tone reads and small reasoning so far for me.
Which scum games are you checking out?
I didn't even knew what i was looking for but ended up just checking few Palmar games. I just don't wanna townread Palmar for some reason, it looks like he wins a lot as scum.
No obv town based on tone for me yet.
What Palmar games you checking up on and what are your findings?
Generic mafia he's picking a lot of different targets which kinda sticks out. I don't think he ever genuinely tries to find scum. Holyflare he plays good, drawing a decisive line between tunelling and pushing scum correctly. Names are hard i think he contributes very litttle but town are so tunelled i think thats the only reason he wins. Much similar to Tumble from presidental election.
On July 06 2016 01:20 Skynx wrote: I dunno man I'm rly not into meta yet. Only played with you and kush before. Well, shaprlog in 1day counts aswell i think but he didn't play very good.
I'm gona browse some scumgamea from everyone brb.
Yeah I didn't, I let my feelings influence me, and WIFOM defense just poured out.
And,
Which scum games are you checking out?-Dammy
On July 06 2016 01:53 sicklucker wrote: oh wait im getting ve and va confused. fuck those guys
Wait..... Oh.
I thought they were the same person :/
Well....Shit. Guess I actually need to go back after this and make sure I actually know who posted what.
On July 06 2016 01:59 Skynx wrote:
On July 06 2016 01:27 Damdred wrote:
On July 06 2016 01:20 Skynx wrote: I dunno man I'm rly not into meta yet. Only played with you and kush before. Well, shaprlog in 1day counts aswell i think but he didn't play very good.
I'm gona browse some scumgamea from everyone brb.
Eh I'm not really using meta necessarily more tone reads and small reasoning so far for me.
Which scum games are you checking out?
I didn't even knew what i was looking for but ended up just checking few Palmar games. I just don't wanna townread Palmar for some reason, it looks like he wins a lot as scum.
No obv town based on tone for me yet.
Then what is the point of reading the past games, if you going to psych out due to winrate. I guess I am god scum, since i have lost no scum games? And I cannot be town read due to meta right?
Honestly, might be better just to read the thread and try finding it out via content buddy.
On July 06 2016 02:06 Palmar wrote: I can't tell guys, is Koshi mad again? Did I make him mad again?
On July 06 2016 02:12 Palmar wrote: also reminder that getting replaced without a valid reason is banlist material, so we have another fun game to look forward to in that thread.
Please not a shit fight.
I honestly am tired of those, they don't help town, they barely help the coummity laugh, Most of the time has Koshi in it for god knows reasoning, etc.
Like the last quote, I think a Valid reasoning, aka harassment, is Valid, if not a actually Legal reasoning for lawsuits, no?
Seriously, this site is so fucking bad for those it is disgusting. I know I prob. got into a one or two, but I do not think I was justified, nor should anyone.
Reminds me of this:
Even though it is Youtube Drama Channels.
What content? We have like 5 pages in 20 hours... I checked names are hard, holyflare, generic and storm I think. All very briefly. Man you're overanalysing things if thats like right thing to say. You've all prolly played with eachother quite a lot minus RB i guess and thats why Palmar can scumread two people with single posts. I'm trying to familiarise myself with everyone's plays cuz i think for some people it is very obvious.
I don't mean now, I just mean in general. Meta only gets you so far, and can fuck you in the late game/lylo (sorry kush)
What am I over analyzing? If you have read X Reason to Town read Palmar based off of what you read, you shouldn't be psyched out by a win rate. Especially for your next point, where you said that we have played with each other before. We could tell you if your point stands or not with our knowledge.
You also do realize that Palmar has voted 2 people, 1 based off of fake tone, and the other cuz he is damdred right?
And yes, it can be obv is someone is playing different (aka scum) but even if you read their games, it will be harder if you haven't played. Not impossible, but still harder. IF you really want to, sure. As you said, the game is kinda slow. But if you have a reasoning like with Palmar, say it. Maybe add at the bottom "I've noticed that Palmar wins a lot. So it has me worried." to express it.
Well it is a tell for some people, Palmar may not be such case. However in anyway i dunno how to make other reads in a such lazy game so far. My point on he wins a lot as scum is a bit stupid i kinda see it now. I'm not psyched out by it tho.
Well, let's generate some content, no?
What is your current read on Palmar, based off of everything you have read and seen, and why? Who is your top suspect right now? In Total WarHammer, Should I Attack the Orcs first or The VC first as Dwarfs?
On July 06 2016 04:04 Damdred wrote: Koshi can go into town pile anyway just because hes reading and seems relaxed in his talking.
Damdred Koshi Ve Palmar Kush
@shape idk I didn't really pay attention to noir I don't think I played in it. But my experience with Kush is the opposite. I will reevaluate as I go obviously.
Honestly its not good thought process, and its not a good town read on kush at all. I just don't like scum reading kush and anytime I see him put effort into a game or that he thought about what he was doing in any way i just plop him in town pile for the day and then look at him later.
And i'm not familar with noir and I really dont' feel like reading another game at present so i'll just take your guys word for it and hope kush shows up like he would normally do.
I could of swore you have read it. Anyways,
Just read his filter then? He died at the beginning of N1 due to modkill, and his filter is 2 pages IIRC. In this case, you really don't have to really read much anyways to see if my point (about him making content and tone) is right or not. That much you should be able to pick up after skimming.
On July 05 2016 19:36 Palmar wrote: I'm not buying this fake tone.
Koshi just ate a ban, could his "scummy fake tone" not be an "exaggerated nice tone"? Both would seem decidedly not real.
People don't change.
You sound serious. Koshi is a good town tho so I don't think this is enough of a judgement for a vote.
hahahhaahaha
See. I don't understand the difference between this shit and calling somebody a piece of shit cloned braindead monkey.
Both are done to piss somebody off.
Why is one allowed and the other not?
This is a good question.
WBG was allowed to call me shit during the entire game, kept calling me shit every chance he got, people like sicklucker and others found it hilarious and joined the party calling koshi shit.
but when Koshi was 100% right and got called the other guy out on his fucking shit.
people wanted to see Koshi modkilled
Makes sense.
makes sense.
are you going to let Palmar do this then VE? Or is it ok for Palmar to start this bullshit once more for an entire cycle till I explode?
Are you going to modkill yourself or Palmar now?
Again this bullshit. Trying to make me look like a fucking joker even towards new players which "respect" me for my reads. Fucking ridiculous.
Anyway. I am asking to get replaced as statement.
First time I ever will get replaced in a game.
Thank you Palmar.
well being mafia it was literally my job =]
Meh
On July 06 2016 01:28 VayneAuthority wrote: because thats rule #394 of the internet, if you use mean/bad words then you are angry irl and you are a meanie
if you insult people in a passive aggressive way you are witty and probably a wealthy businessman or doctor
Okay, apart from flavor the amusement in forum mafia depends entirely on interaction and there are numerous obstacles to be overcome, some of them not initially apparent.
It requires long-term attention, effort and nonchalance, but good luck realizing you're failing or making others fail at the 3rd requirement before it's too late to let it slide; nevertheless swearing and busting balls can make up a considerable percentage of the fun which tightening regulations on freedom of expression would dampen.
So with all this investment that we know this game is good at luring there's a high risk of the rewards falling short, even if you're victorious.
Once upset there's nothing worse than having to tiptoe on the edges of the rules of conduct in order to circumvent getting penalized while still communicating what is on one's mind with high fidelity to emotions. Some might be more talented at this than others but is this the skillset people want to exhibit in a game of mafia?
Fuck no, I think finding scum and manipulating town into mislynching townies while having a jolly time is, but if someone gets between you and your rewarding experience chances are that holding back will only creep up on you later.
See, Talking like zinyak isn't good.
You play SR4, zinyak is cool and you try talking like him, and this is what happens. You come out sounding all confusing and stuff. Bravo, Bravo *claps*
On July 06 2016 02:41 Shapelog wrote: Wow these are getting shorter:
Page 11, Some of what Palmar says i want to actually consider real points, but then you have all his spam/troll posts so w/e.
On July 06 2016 01:03 Damdred wrote: I also think based on tone/playfulness I kinda want to tr Palmar here hrmmm.
So
Damdred Kush Ve Palmar
Super weak reasoning so far but it's a start of a town circle.
I am personally waiting for Kush to come back tonight to gather more info for a read on him. Mainly because idk his scum meta, asides from Noir, and that was ages ago. And I haven't been playing on OMGUS enough (or for all for that matter) to play scum Kush again.
VE is can understand from the tone POV. Kinda got a similar feel.
Palmar....Going to check the last game. Thanks for triggering him too.
Damdred, Narcissistic bastard.
On July 06 2016 01:17 Koshi wrote:
On July 06 2016 00:54 Palmar wrote:
On July 05 2016 20:04 Skynx wrote:
On July 05 2016 19:55 Palmar wrote:
On July 05 2016 19:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
On July 05 2016 19:36 Palmar wrote: I'm not buying this fake tone.
Koshi just ate a ban, could his "scummy fake tone" not be an "exaggerated nice tone"? Both would seem decidedly not real.
People don't change.
You sound serious. Koshi is a good town tho so I don't think this is enough of a judgement for a vote.
hahahhaahaha
See. I don't understand the difference between this shit and calling somebody a piece of shit cloned braindead monkey.
Both are done to piss somebody off.
Why is one allowed and the other not?
This is a good question.
WBG was allowed to call me shit during the entire game, kept calling me shit every chance he got, people like sicklucker and others found it hilarious and joined the party calling koshi shit.
but when Koshi was 100% right and got called the other guy out on his fucking shit.
people wanted to see Koshi modkilled
Makes sense.
makes sense.
are you going to let Palmar do this then VE? Or is it ok for Palmar to start this bullshit once more for an entire cycle till I explode?
Are you going to modkill yourself or Palmar now?
Again this bullshit. Trying to make me look like a fucking joker even towards new players which "respect" me for my reads. Fucking ridiculous.
Anyway. I am asking to get replaced as statement.
First time I ever will get replaced in a game.
Thank you Palmar.
Sorry Koshi.
Kush basically is a barely existing scum player IMO, he has a couple games probably that are ok. But generally super lucky doesn't push anything and has a hard time faking tone/content.
While I think it's early he at least had some thought process which I thought was good of him.
I'm not narcissistic though just honest teehee
Good to know, but can we transition out of meta into something more palpable now?
It is interesting to compare these two, cause while Palmar does do the same thing (Damdred is scum/vote in Name, Koshi is scum/vote here.) they way they went about it is different.
One thing in name though, that he did more there then here, was push the damdred lynch. He might of made a joke post, but he was back on it. Aka, he was more focused on the lynch then joking.
Here, it is IMO different, almost reversed. While he is pushing a Koshi push here and there, he has a bunch of other posts in-between. Most of which are jokey, and while he does go back to the Koshi vote, It seems honestly more to piss off Koshi then anything else.
The damdred off vote also is less bitey then the switch to me in name.
Thoughts?
Okay shape is town too.
Why exactly? Cause I brought up a meta point, reached it prob. wasn't true, and ask for Opinion on it?
It is interesting to compare these two, cause while Palmar does do the same thing (Damdred is scum/vote in Name, Koshi is scum/vote here.) they way they went about it is different.
One thing in name though, that he did more there then here, was push the damdred lynch. He might of made a joke post, but he was back on it. Aka, he was more focused on the lynch then joking.
Here, it is IMO different, almost reversed. While he is pushing a Koshi push here and there, he has a bunch of other posts in-between. Most of which are jokey, and while he does go back to the Koshi vote, It seems honestly more to piss off Koshi then anything else.
The damdred off vote also is less bitey then the switch to me in name.
Thoughts?
Okay shape is town too.
I agree!
Don't you fucking dare add to this ridiculousness.
On July 06 2016 01:27 Damdred wrote: Zzz koshi almost confirms himself
On July 06 2016 04:04 Damdred wrote: Koshi can go into town pile anyway just because hes reading and seems relaxed in his talking.
Damdred Koshi Ve Palmar Kush
@shape idk I didn't really pay attention to noir I don't think I played in it. But my experience with Kush is the opposite. I will reevaluate as I go obviously.
Koshi from "almost confirmed" to "town pile anyway" in 2 hours?
This is just a list of people you've played the most with before. It's pretty underwhelming.
I don't think this is true in any sense of the word. I have played a lot with Koshi and Palmar.
Kush is hit and miss, VE is a seldom played with. And that Damdred fellow i just can't escape him or his bad posts.
As for that I at least have reads that I have in thread that people can talk about instead. What are your reads exactly prp?
I still think it's very true. Those are the people you play with the most and now you're just townreading them all and putting yourself on the list.
Skynx town, Koshi town. I prefer to keep my other reads to myself for now as they're more likely to change before deadline.
I mean you latterly posted that, f5, and posted another read, when you just said that you wouldn't. There appears to be a conflict of interests here. Well actually just logic too. I mean, If you said, "I have other reads, but they might change." that wouldn't be the problem, but you said that you were going to keep them to yourself.
On July 06 2016 04:57 Palmar wrote: btw koshi 100% fake rage and fake nice
Seems unlikely that we're lynching him today!
I'm just saying
rather lynch you anyway
Absolutely no way that's going to happen, even with lots of people sort of calling me scum.
If this is softing blue I can 100% totally lynch you.
If it isn't, I am awaiting you being a bacon of shining townieness light.
It's not, I'm vanilla. Why are you blue hunting though? And when have you ever seen me being a shining beacon of townieness light? What makes you think this game is going to be any different?
Anyway, I sort of want to lynch Race Bannon. I think his filter has a big post that says absolutely nothing. The rest are scattered remarks that looks like "I better contribute something!".
He also calls my post scum and then says he has no idea why Koshi would think I'm scum.
Then his tinfoil theory and Palmar calling him out on it. Normally, I'd say that tinfoil theories are townie but the way he reacts to being called out on it, by one of the people he's accusing of being scum. A scum read tells him his theory is tinfoily and he just says "Yea it's silly. But maybe it's true". Looks really bad to me.
##Vote Race Bannon
First off, If koshi is blue hunting, why isn't that scummy enough to vote for?
On July 06 2016 02:57 VayneAuthority wrote: I liked the first version of shape's post better where it was a bunch of gibberish. Seemed like a good way to statpad your filter.
My townreads are skynx and koshi.
zlhprp si raf os daer aifam ym
I was going to say: "it is suspicious VA only said something about 2 townreads and nothing about scumreads"
But then I read the last sentence and thought ok this is good.
But then I am still left wondering the reasoning behind the read.
On the other hand... I probably know what the reasoning is.
On July 06 2016 04:45 Race Bannon wrote: But instead of insinuating something you should ask imo
Now read Koshi post. Read it. Did it? Good?
Is it talking about you being scum, or VA's reasoning and logic on that post? It is VA's reasoning and logic, which included the scum read on you. It wasn't about if you were scum or not (though, Koshi has his own reasoning) it was about thoughts about VA's post.
And if you do not believe me, look at the follow up post. Why would RB ask koshi to ask you if you were scum?
A lot of what you are doing doesn't make sense, or is wrong info.
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