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On December 01 2015 09:32 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 09:30 disformation wrote:On December 01 2015 09:27 The Shining wrote:On December 01 2015 09:17 Palmar wrote:On December 01 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote:
Fidei's scumlean is bad. No one but disfo and Trfel had posted at the time of my posts and I poked fun at the fact that throughout the history of my playing on TL, I don't normally play on Mondays and Tuesdays. Which is why I "went quiet." I don't normally have time to play on these days and I'll be out of here once again shortly. Fidei calling you out on something you actually did doesn't make him mafia. If you're town you should be considering, and possibly favoring, the option that he's just a townie with a wrong scumlean. Nothing he said was false. He literally took true information and made a lean on it. That's the most null thing you can do in mafia. On December 01 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote:
Palmar is bad for commenting on literally nothing up to this point but claiming I'm 100% scum. There are actual things going on in the thread but he's just trying to pick up off of Fidei's soft pushing on me to get me lynched. Out of Fidei and Palmar, Palmar is the worst looking one. I hadn't even read Fidei's post, I just came into the game, read the first page, then posted "Shining is 100% scum", turns out I mostly agree with Fidei, so free townread in the process! His expectations are unreal of me if he is town. He said I went quiet and yet here I am so I'm interested if his lean now goes away or if it becomes a hard scumread because I scumread him. Like there were actual things happening, like Damdred's big post directing blues, Rels finding DYH and Damdred suspicious, but his scumlean comes off on the one person who he probably expected to afk because it's Monday/Tuesday and who didn't say much of anything. And in the same post, he goes ahead and leaves the thread when he enters it. Your hard defense of Fidei so early is noted, though. Well, you went quiet and then suddenly popped out when two people called you scum... Plus your are going quite the OMGUS + hard defense mode. Def. not a fan so far, kinda remember better post from you last game.  @Damdred: So you are saying that the post is constructed since you took quite some time writing it up, but started after the game started? My wife was dropped off at work at 6:01 pm eastern time, my post was posted 3-5 minutes after I returned home. I wrote it in those 3-5 minutes. I'm not exactly sure where you are going with this.
Was just making sure I understand correctly what you are saying. As I was trying to explain earlier I was called out for an overly constructed post, that could have come from either alignment, in my first game here and I wanted to find out if that post was NAI due to being written/planned before the start of the game or not.
On December 01 2015 09:33 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 09:30 disformation wrote:On December 01 2015 09:27 The Shining wrote:On December 01 2015 09:17 Palmar wrote:On December 01 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote:
Fidei's scumlean is bad. No one but disfo and Trfel had posted at the time of my posts and I poked fun at the fact that throughout the history of my playing on TL, I don't normally play on Mondays and Tuesdays. Which is why I "went quiet." I don't normally have time to play on these days and I'll be out of here once again shortly. Fidei calling you out on something you actually did doesn't make him mafia. If you're town you should be considering, and possibly favoring, the option that he's just a townie with a wrong scumlean. Nothing he said was false. He literally took true information and made a lean on it. That's the most null thing you can do in mafia. On December 01 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote:
Palmar is bad for commenting on literally nothing up to this point but claiming I'm 100% scum. There are actual things going on in the thread but he's just trying to pick up off of Fidei's soft pushing on me to get me lynched. Out of Fidei and Palmar, Palmar is the worst looking one. I hadn't even read Fidei's post, I just came into the game, read the first page, then posted "Shining is 100% scum", turns out I mostly agree with Fidei, so free townread in the process! His expectations are unreal of me if he is town. He said I went quiet and yet here I am so I'm interested if his lean now goes away or if it becomes a hard scumread because I scumread him. Like there were actual things happening, like Damdred's big post directing blues, Rels finding DYH and Damdred suspicious, but his scumlean comes off on the one person who he probably expected to afk because it's Monday/Tuesday and who didn't say much of anything. And in the same post, he goes ahead and leaves the thread when he enters it. Your hard defense of Fidei so early is noted, though. Well, you went quiet and then suddenly popped out when two people called you scum... Plus your are going quite the OMGUS + hard defense mode. Def. not a fan so far, kinda remember better post from you last game. @Damdred: So you are saying that the post is constructed since you took quite some time writing it up, but started after the game started? And ninjaed. Any thoughts on the actual exchange?
I am not sure why Damdred suddenly changes his stance on Trfel. Like he said "Trfel might be mafia". Then Trfel goes OMGUS on him and then Damdred says Trfel is "most likely town". Would like for Damdred to explain.
On December 01 2015 08:54 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 08:50 Trfel wrote:On December 01 2015 08:47 Damdred wrote:On December 01 2015 08:44 Trfel wrote:
Hm, LightningStrike hasn't posted at all yet. Very suspicious, I would have expected him to be really excited for this game since he hasn't played in a while.
Disformation, why are you only bringing up Damdred's post now, and not right when he posted it? Trfel might be mafia since LS clearly posted in the thread why he wouldn't be here till later. Interesting... Okay, what the heck. First of all, if you think about it for a second, you can probably see what I was trying to do. You may not agree with my method, but you know me well enough to see it. Second, why would does this make me mafia in any way? Like, why does the fact that LightningStrike posted that he wouldn't be here at the start of the game have any bearing on my alignment? I do know what you are trying to do, and if you are fishing you might want to try a different type of bait. Secondly could be you don't care about reading the thread, and just trying to find someone to put suspicions on.
On December 01 2015 08:56 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 08:54 Damdred wrote:On December 01 2015 08:50 Trfel wrote:On December 01 2015 08:47 Damdred wrote:On December 01 2015 08:44 Trfel wrote:
Hm, LightningStrike hasn't posted at all yet. Very suspicious, I would have expected him to be really excited for this game since he hasn't played in a while.
Disformation, why are you only bringing up Damdred's post now, and not right when he posted it? Trfel might be mafia since LS clearly posted in the thread why he wouldn't be here till later. Interesting... Okay, what the heck. First of all, if you think about it for a second, you can probably see what I was trying to do. You may not agree with my method, but you know me well enough to see it. Second, why would does this make me mafia in any way? Like, why does the fact that LightningStrike posted that he wouldn't be here at the start of the game have any bearing on my alignment? I do know what you are trying to do, and if you are fishing you might want to try a different type of bait. Secondly could be you don't care about reading the thread, and just trying to find someone to put suspicions on. I think that Damdred is a very likely mafia. Someone please tell me if I am sane or not.
On December 01 2015 08:57 Damdred wrote:
You are an idiot but you are most likely town.
If you can't explain in a coherent way why I am mafia then obviously I am not.
Also this thread is kinda fast and I am still super tired, so I'll go to bed, since I can't keep up right now.
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On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now.
TLDR: you crazy trfel
What was the one point in Damded's first point you didn't agree with? Do you have any other reads outside of Damdred?
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Its just bad reasoning for why I sort of think Trfel is townish?
Like its really really to early for me to be sold on it, but the way trfel goes defensive and omgus instead of sort of buddying up to me and trying to change my mind that way made me think maybe its just town being dumb.
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On December 01 2015 09:35 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 09:32 The Shining wrote:On December 01 2015 09:23 Palmar wrote:On December 01 2015 09:21 The Shining wrote:On December 01 2015 09:16 Damdred wrote:
Why is Palmar the worse looking one exactly though? Because there is no explanation for his read whatsoever. Fidei scumleans me so 3 minutes later, Palmar decides I'm 100% scum with no explanation. Well now you have the explanation so I'm 100% town right? No more like 70% and just really bad and cocky. I can understand where your scumread on me comes from, especially since I OMGUSd you but your defense of Fidei to me looks really suspect when you only share one scumlean on D1 and you shouldn't have any idea what his alignment is if you're town. I'm not fucking defending Fidei you moron, I'm just calling his post fine. In a normal game mafia players make hundreds of "fine" posts. No one is dumb enough to give himself away with every post. What I am doing is questioning your logic in suspecting Fidei, and trying to see if you could possibly believe what you're saying. So far I don't really see it.I've read Fidei's post 5 times now and I just don't understand how saying true shit about you makes him mafia. It's such a leap.
Alright, Palmar, ignore my last comment about you - this post probably ninjaed mine, and clears it up.
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On December 01 2015 09:44 The Shining wrote:
Welp since I'm a moron so early in the game, I see no reason to talk to Palmar now or ever again this game. If you're town, consider the fact that you just pissed off a townie to the point where I'm going to think everything you're doing in this game is wrong. So you can have fun pushing the d1 mislynch in me or leave me around and bumping heads with me the rest of the game. Talking to you isn't going to get either of us anywhere and I'm done with it. Get me lynched if you want, I just think you're retarded and stubborn town at this point and I still think Fidei's post is a lot less fine than you make it out to be so there's no reason for me to try and convince you otherwise.
I only call people morons after telling them nicely why they're wrong. I'll show you:
On December 01 2015 09:21 Palmar wrote:
I didn't say it was particularly good, I said it was fine. He made some statements, threw out some reads and did it in a sort of casual manner. He didn't force out any opinions that he clearly doesn't have (like you're doing with him and me at the moment). It was just a fine opening post that gives no reason to call him mafia.
Look how I explain that I'm not saying the post makes him town, just that your initial reason to call him mafia is faulty.
And I wasn't trying to hide it, I said the same thing here:
On December 01 2015 09:17 Palmar wrote:
Fidei calling you out on something you actually did doesn't make him mafia. If you're town you should be considering, and possibly favoring, the option that he's just a townie with a wrong scumlean. Nothing he said was false. He literally took true information and made a lean on it. That's the most null thing you can do in mafia.
And I think I called it fine even before that. Yet your response is:
On December 01 2015 09:27 The Shining wrote:
Your hard defense of Fidei so early is noted, though.
Which is simply something that is not happening. So yes, I get pissed off when you blatantly misrepresent my opinions and statements (which makes me want to hang you even more).
I don't care that I've pissed you off.
Don't lie to town though, talking to me is a great way to getting us somewhere, I am actually pretty reasonable and I take pride in my day 1 play, so if you actually do the thing where you don't look like mafia I'm not going to want to kill you. However at the moment you have such massive holes in your story that I can't ignore it.
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On December 01 2015 09:52 Damdred wrote:
Its just bad reasoning for why I sort of think Trfel is townish?
Like its really really to early for me to be sold on it, but the way trfel goes defensive and omgus instead of sort of buddying up to me and trying to change my mind that way made me think maybe its just town being dumb.
like its really really really bad reasoning, but sort of makes me not want to lynch trfel at this moment
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I thought Trfel is town because of something. I think I also thought disformation is town, but don't quote me on that.
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Well what do you think about this Palmar,
Something that gives me pause on Trfel. he went through all that time to make that case on me and obviously was here (might of had to leave) but never cared enough to really push anyone talking at the time to comment on it?
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On December 01 2015 09:46 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote:
Fidei's scumlean is bad. No one but disfo and Trfel had posted at the time of my posts and I poked fun at the fact that throughout the history of my playing on TL, I don't normally play on Mondays and Tuesdays. Which is why I "went quiet." I don't normally have time to play on these days and I'll be out of here once again shortly.
Palmar is bad for commenting on literally nothing up to this point but claiming I'm 100% scum. There are actual things going on in the thread but he's just trying to pick up off of Fidei's soft pushing on me to get me lynched. Out of Fidei and Palmar, Palmar is the worst looking one. Agreed with Palmar, that doesn't make Fidei mafia. I just took it as him reacting to what he saw (either alignment) and I would probably draw it as more suspicious if he tried to push you as a lurker, say 24h from now. As for Shining's scum team post, I took that as a joke, so I'm also not sure what Palmar is saying "both as a joke and as serious" and then leading into "there's no way he can believe what he's saying" - because when I read that phrasing it is basically saying "he's serious and mafia because what he's saying isn't believable" but how do you navigate that when he's intending that as a joke? Am I misunderstanding that one? Shining, let's say Palmar just disappears. What are your reads on other people?
It was intended to be a joke until I actually read the rest of Fidei's post, and Palmar 100%'ing me right after the post. The joke was both of them being scum together and the third to scum me being a team. However, I was realistically suspicious that one of them was probably trying to take advantage of my admittedly useless entrance.
And I've already started doing that. Until Palmar gets me lynched, he is literally a non-entity in this game to me. All the ad hom and constant bickering is going to do is throw me on tilt, and I don't feel like getting warned for cursing him out.
Damdred is likely town for his wanting to bring town into a cohesive train of thought with that first post.
Rels is on the scumside of null for scumming both Damdred and DYH for wanting the named VT to claim(which I agree with, there's no reason not to), along with 0 townreads.
Moosy is as useless as ever, which is sadly NAI at the moment but could become a scumread really quick. I don't like him claiming he didn't even read his role pm until a few posts after he entered but it's Moosy.
Disfo's early responses to Trfel were relaxed and his posts seem to be natural so he's a slight townlean. He also seems to be fleshing out his suspects before he scumreads them(saying he isn't a fan of me so far, I had better posts last game but not scumreading me. Asking Damdred to explain his read on Trfel) so it looks like he wants to get good reads, not just jump on easy suspicions.
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On December 01 2015 09:59 Damdred wrote:
Well what do you think about this Palmar,
Something that gives me pause on Trfel. he went through all that time to make that case on me and obviously was here (might of had to leave) but never cared enough to really push anyone talking at the time to comment on it?
Don't really care for now. If you want to build a case, build a case.
I want to hang the guy who:
[list]
[*] Posted a post that I can only explain as existing for the sake of posting
[*] Making a terrible OMGUS, the doubling down trying to explain it
[*] When explaining the OMGUS, calls fidei out for saying true things
[*] Misrepresents my questioning of his logic and motives as a hard defense of fidei
[*] Throws a fit when I pressure him just a little bit
[/list
I'll sleep on it and maybe reconsider, but I think I really wanna kill this guy.
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fuck
- Posted a post that I can only explain as existing for the sake of posting
- Making a terrible OMGUS, the doubling down trying to explain it
- When explaining the OMGUS, calls fidei out for saying true things
- Misrepresents my questioning of his logic and motives as a hard defense of fidei
- Throws a fit when I pressure him just a little bit
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On December 01 2015 09:53 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 09:44 The Shining wrote:
Welp since I'm a moron so early in the game, I see no reason to talk to Palmar now or ever again this game. If you're town, consider the fact that you just pissed off a townie to the point where I'm going to think everything you're doing in this game is wrong. So you can have fun pushing the d1 mislynch in me or leave me around and bumping heads with me the rest of the game. Talking to you isn't going to get either of us anywhere and I'm done with it. Get me lynched if you want, I just think you're retarded and stubborn town at this point and I still think Fidei's post is a lot less fine than you make it out to be so there's no reason for me to try and convince you otherwise.
I only call people morons after telling them nicely why they're wrong. I'll show you: Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 09:21 Palmar wrote:
I didn't say it was particularly good, I said it was fine. He made some statements, threw out some reads and did it in a sort of casual manner. He didn't force out any opinions that he clearly doesn't have (like you're doing with him and me at the moment). It was just a fine opening post that gives no reason to call him mafia. Look how I explain that I'm not saying the post makes him town, just that your initial reason to call him mafia is faulty. And I wasn't trying to hide it, I said the same thing here: Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 09:17 Palmar wrote:
Fidei calling you out on something you actually did doesn't make him mafia. If you're town you should be considering, and possibly favoring, the option that he's just a townie with a wrong scumlean. Nothing he said was false. He literally took true information and made a lean on it. That's the most null thing you can do in mafia.
And I think I called it fine even before that. Yet your response is: Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 09:27 The Shining wrote:
Your hard defense of Fidei so early is noted, though. Which is simply something that is not happening. So yes, I get pissed off when you blatantly misrepresent my opinions and statements (which makes me want to hang you even more). I don't care that I've pissed you off. Don't lie to town though, talking to me is a great way to getting us somewhere, I am actually pretty reasonable and I take pride in my day 1 play, so if you actually do the thing where you don't look like mafia I'm not going to want to kill you. However at the moment you have such massive holes in your story that I can't ignore it.
Telling me that I'm wrong for why I feel someone is scum that isn't you is a defense of that someone. You won't convince me otherwise. I also don't care that you don't care. See why I don't want to talk to you?
Speaking of misrepresentations, you're sitting here saying I only scumread Fidei for scumming me for saying true stuff. You're ignoring me pointing out the mass null read he gave out and the reads between DYH and Rels, but not Damdred and Trfel who were arguably doing more before that post. But keep picking on me and saying it's just OMGUS. Do what you gotta do, bud. Not sure where that pride or cockiness comes from but if you're town and get me lynched, I hope it takes a huge blow.
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On December 01 2015 10:00 The Shining wrote:
And I've already started doing that. Until Palmar gets me lynched, he is literally a non-entity in this game to me. All the ad hom and constant bickering is going to do is throw me on tilt, and I don't feel like getting warned for cursing him out.
Please show me "all the ad hom".
I think I've been entirely reasonable with you. I did get mad when you ignored 3 of my posts to misrepresent my position on fidei despite me explaining it nicely to you at first, and I'm sorry for that. But this suggests there have been multiple instances of me attacking you personally?
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Anyway I'm out. Gonna walk my dog and go hit the gym after. I'll probably come back later tonight and chances are no one will be here because everyone here now minus Damdred is EU but w.e. I need to cool my head. I never thought I'd run into someone more frustrating to talk to on D1 than Eversince. I was wrong.
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On December 01 2015 10:03 Palmar wrote:fuck - Posted a post that I can only explain as existing for the sake of posting
- Making a terrible OMGUS, the doubling down trying to explain it
- When explaining the OMGUS, calls fidei out for saying true things
- Misrepresents my questioning of his logic and motives as a hard defense of fidei
- Throws a fit when I pressure him just a little bit
can you at least read my post on the previous page on why I think shining is clear and talk to me about it?
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Life is so frustrating
My communication skills appear to be miserable.
I'll try to reread the thread later tonight.
Damdred, apologies for using that type of read. Regardless of whether or not I am right, that creates stupid arguments and makes the game miserable. Thanks for being a bit more sensible than I am (regardless of alignment).
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On December 01 2015 09:16 Trfel wrote:
Basically, Damdred initially was suspicious of me (Trfel) for not reading the thread and trying to find someone to be suspicious of. And in his initial post with these suspicious, he specifically stated that these suspicions of me are only valid because of LightningStrike's pre-game excuse.
LightningStrike's pre-game excuse has no implication on my alignment whatsoever. Damdred is basically saying that because my suspicion of LightningStrike was invalid, I was suspicious. However, why would I as mafia make a post about a player's inactivity when that player said, before the game, that they wouldn't be around at the start of the game? There is zero reason for mafia to do this.
The only thing that LightningStrike's pre-game excuse says about my play is that my reason to be suspicious of LightningStrike was invalid. First, it was invalid without the pre-game excuse as well. And second, my argument being invalid doesn't have any relevance on my alignment. As does reading posts in the thread that were made before the game started.
Damdred failed to address the main question that I asked, which was why LightningStrike's pre-game excuse affects my alignment. His suspicion of me made zero sense, and Damdred is a very sensible player as town.
Combine this with his entrance post, completely ignoring everyone else in the thread and saying that his play would follow his (rough) scum meta of fewer posts more focused on analysis.
Backtracking to this post. No issues with the first part, but I'm not sure why he thinks it's unreasonable as town when you are clearly focused on one person that much that of course you will miss the flying conversation in the thread. Especially more suspicious to me if this isn't his scum meta, and honestly given my poor track record of sniping mafia Damdred, I'm not sure what/how to really measure this. It looks like a reach for me.
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On December 01 2015 10:05 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 10:00 The Shining wrote:
And I've already started doing that. Until Palmar gets me lynched, he is literally a non-entity in this game to me. All the ad hom and constant bickering is going to do is throw me on tilt, and I don't feel like getting warned for cursing him out.
Please show me "all the ad hom". I think I've been entirely reasonable with you. I did get mad when you ignored 3 of my posts to misrepresent my position on fidei despite me explaining it nicely to you at first, and I'm sorry for that. But this suggests there have been multiple instances of me attacking you personally?
Meh I thought you called me retarded, as well as a moron. You just called my read retarded, w.e. That's why I don't want to continue talking to you and go on tilt. I can't even fucking read your posts properly. But you're also being obstinate when I'm clearly explaining what I'm doing and you choose to just ignore it, or just repeat what you've already said. So you have your read on me already. Why do you feel the need to convince me that you're convinced I'm scum?
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Now I'm seriously out. Bye.
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On December 01 2015 08:37 Rels wrote:
Yo.
If you're boxer you fucking shut up. There is two possible mafia setups: one with two possible town setups with one boxer each so it doesn't matter. And one when we have either boxer + vet, or cop + vig. In that last case, mafia wants to roleblock their kill target in the vet setup, or roleblock someone else on the cop + vig setup.
Boxer claiming would make them know what is the thing to do.
Tldr if you're boxer you shut up unless you're getting lynched.
Tldr 2 the two people pushing for boxer to claim are suspicious. Damdred and doyouhas
Tell me more about what mafia do, mafia.
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