Seal into Dring should alleviate early mana problems I noticed in my 1st game a bit (and if I get a jungler who will give me the 2nd blue buff, it'd be very nice too)
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rebdomine
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Seal into Dring should alleviate early mana problems I noticed in my 1st game a bit (and if I get a jungler who will give me the 2nd blue buff, it'd be very nice too) | ||
Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Over the weekend I will start sifting through all this shit and see what I can figure out. | ||
rebdomine
6040 Posts
Runes: 9x hybrid pen, 9x hp/lvl, 9x cdr/lvl, 3 ap quints + Show Spoiler [Runes] + Masteries: 12/18/0 (ran Meditation this time around) + Show Spoiler + Match Stats: Victory Screen: + Show Spoiler + Grid Stats: + Show Spoiler + Dark Seal opener as requested. Game started off with a 5-main invade into enemy jungle at their red camp to contest Trynademere. While we didn't end up getting him, we did get a kill on Quinn and Karma at the bottom lane. I ended up getting the kill on Karma so I walked into lane with 3 stacks on Dark Seal vs LeBlanc (who was already ahead in cs because the fight near enemy jungle dragged out a bit. Impressions of switching to Meditation: mana regen feels a lot more sufficient and didn't really find myself starved of mana at any point in time. Re-testing the caster last hit stats: I was able to do it at level 6 with E + auto. Got my Athenes in the midgame but again, enemy Karma decided to quit when Riven got legendary at around 15 mins or so and game didn't last much longer after that. Didn't get a chance to get Luden's as I never even got to build anything after Athene's cause the game was pretty much over. My mana regen felt s5-ish with Meditation and 1 dring to go with dark seal. It might be the way to go for now. I'll play a bit more later today Replay for this game available here: + Show Spoiler + EDIT: crap, looks like I don't have a copy of the correct grid stats for this game Game Number 3: Masteries and Runes same as above. Victory Screen: + Show Spoiler + Grid Stats: + Show Spoiler + This time against Ezreal mid decided to go for the Luden's first build. Lane was a stalemate until level 6 when Ezreal decided to dive, unfortunately I had already gotten chunked down hard so I ended up giving up first blood to Ezreal but got a stack back when Amumu finished him off for me on the roam. Same as above, it was level 6 with E + auto that I started killing casters. Got my Ludens at level 11, and caster minions died to E + Luden's proc at level 12. I think I had Ludens + Void + Rabadon at around level 16 with full stacks of Dark Seal and I was one-shotting casters even without the Ludens proc. I might need to retest this as there was teamfight after teamfight after I got Ludens + Void so I didn't really get a chance to E proc full health caster minions (Sivir glaives and Yasuo would chunk up creeps down during pushes) This was my first game with a fully stacked Dark Seal and it was pretty nice. Snowballed pretty hard and had a streak of up to 10 at some point. It was pretty much a stomp as Yasuo was also getting his rhythm going, and as long as we didn't get 2-3 guys caught in Annie's ult, we were fine. I think Rammus took forever to buy MR as well so I was just shredding him for the longest time and he was barely even a presence in fights. Replay available here: + Show Spoiler + | ||
Ketara
United States15065 Posts
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-strategy/475850-season-5-lux-the-lady-of-luminosity?page=16#301 Here's some things I'd like you guys to test. For the Athenes build - Does Feast feel good in difficult early game matchups (ex. Leblanc) - How does mana feel (engoing question) - When can you one shot caster minions with E - If you can, try one CDR per level quint and tell me how that feels in comparison to AP, with specific emphasis on breakpoints of when spells kill caster minions - If you upgrade Dark Seal to Mejais, is that awesome, is it only awesome because you were going to win the game anyway, or does it seem better to just sit on Dark Seal For the Ludens build - Can you do just Dark Seal or do you have to have a Dring as well - How does mana feel (engoing question) - When can you one shot caster minions with E - If you can, try one CDR per level quint and tell me how that feels in comparison to AP, with specific emphasis on breakpoints of when spells kill caster minions For the Armguard build - Does Feast feel good in difficult matchups early game matchups (ex. Yasuo) - Do mana glyphs feel better than mana regen glyphs - When can you one shot caster minions with E For Support Lux - Basically, how does everything feel lol - Very specifically how does early game feel | ||
Gahlo
United States34972 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On November 14 2015 20:24 Gahlo wrote: As a note, since I saw you guys were testing Dark Seal, it's currently bugged. While the item should only go up to 10 Glory stacks and will show that, it will continue stacking. Orly Hope that is addressed in their fixes next week. Don't think it will screw with tests though. 4ap a kill probably isn't huge. | ||
Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Definitely some good preliminary testing, and I think based on that and all my theorycrafting that the builds I listed a couple posts ago are probably 95+% optimal already. Mostly it's just little things that need to be worked on I think. But, please keep playing games. I am checking every post in detail. Except for Filduns I still need to watch Filduns stream games, I'll do that today. Thanks again guys, I really appreciate how much help I'm getting with this | ||
TheHumanSensation
Canada1210 Posts
Game 1: Lux vs Viktor + Show Spoiler + Viktor was kind of bad, so I got early kills on Viktor twice and their jungler once in lane. Proceded to realize I didn't look up how wards work this season so I only placed 14 throughout the whole game. Ugh, embarassing, not posting match history. Got outwarded by my own support and jungler (who to be fair was lee). I think a turret went down at some point? Dark Seal -> Chalice -> Boots/Dorans -> Athenes -> Socs -> Void -> dCap (sold the dorans at some point). Also went ignite and it felt helpful, won a lot of duels I wouldn't have otherwise. Don't really know the champ yet though so I died a bunch. 8/6/16 victory in the end. Game 2: Lux vs Malzahar + Show Spoiler + Died 1v1 in lane once, which was bad. I play Malzahar so I know how he works and I messed up his E bouncing a lot, so ended up with way more mana than him in lane despite opening with dark seal (vs dorans). I drew lots of pressure and we just kind of snowballed into a victory everywhere. Figured out the teamfighting more so I didn't die as much and had 10 stacks most of the game. Final score 4/3/20. Also I somehow managed to only place 12 wards in 32 minutes despite playing 40 in 39 minutes in my previous game, ughhh this new season. Lux feels good with the vision gimmicks though so I'll probably get into this. Athene's build both games and mana felt fine at all points. Building dcap feels weird due to item slots, is my only major critique. | ||
Ketara
United States15065 Posts
What runes did you run? | ||
Ethelis
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TheHumanSensation
Canada1210 Posts
On November 15 2015 15:31 Ketara wrote: Can you elaborate on how building Dcap feels weird? What runes did you run? Hybrid/Armour/MrLvl/AP. It was slots. I had Seal/Dorans/Sorcs/Athenes/Void, which leaves only one slot to build Dcap with, or two if you sell the Dorans (which is np) and then don't have pots/ward. Takes a lot of gold to finish it off non-piecemeal. | ||
rebdomine
6040 Posts
On November 15 2015 11:51 Ketara wrote: Okay I've updated the list of who's tested what. Let me know if anything looks incorrect. Definitely some good preliminary testing, and I think based on that and all my theorycrafting that the builds I listed a couple posts ago are probably 95+% optimal already. Mostly it's just little things that need to be worked on I think. But, please keep playing games. I am checking every post in detail. Except for Filduns I still need to watch Filduns stream games, I'll do that today. Thanks again guys, I really appreciate how much help I'm getting with this Actually played 3 games already, or does one not count cause I lost the stats screen? | ||
Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Try not building the Dorans and see if it flows better for you THS. Other than that not sure what you can do about it. Also play moar games guys :D | ||
Ketara
United States15065 Posts
But then I watched Filduns games and saw him having issues with mana when he said he didn't have any. Can you guys who have been playing with merciless switch to meditation and tell me if you can feel any difference? I also noticed from Filduns games that Thunderlords is in fact buggy and if two champions on your team take it only one of them gets it and the other it just doesn't work the whole game, so try to be aware of that. Fildun in your game against the Galio you got 0 Thunderlord procs the whole game because Annie had it. TY. | ||
Fildun
Netherlands4118 Posts
On November 15 2015 23:49 Ketara wrote: So, one thing I'm noticing from the test games you guys have posted is that most of you are taking Merciless over Meditation in masteries, and then reporting no mana problems. But then I watched Filduns games and saw him having issues with mana when he said he didn't have any. Can you guys who have been playing with merciless switch to meditation and tell me if you can feel any difference? I also noticed from Filduns games that Thunderlords is in fact buggy and if two champions on your team take it only one of them gets it and the other it just doesn't work the whole game, so try to be aware of that. Fildun in your game against the Galio you got 0 Thunderlord procs the whole game because Annie had it. TY. Timestamps/games for mana issues? I honestly can't remember any. Also I didn't know it was bugged in the game vs Galio so couldn't do much about that one. I looked at Meditation a bit and it seemed pretty bad on paper, it doesn't give that much mana compared to just buying/runing mana regen. I'll play some more today if I get mid in soloq. | ||
rebdomine
6040 Posts
Game 4: + Show Spoiler + Same setup as my previous games. Victory Screen: + Show Spoiler + Grid Stats: + Show Spoiler + Was an athenes game as Morde was getting the edge top lane over Zed and enemy mid laner was Ryze. Managed to win lane vs him however bot lane started on the backfoot as Teemo and Ashe fed 2 kills to sivir before creeps even spawned. Tried with Dring this time and the mana felt alright (however I was running Meditation). Ended up breaking even in the midgame after a couple of fights however I might have cost the team the game as I ended up getting caught out farming and then enemy team went on to go grab 3rd dragon and Baron simultaneously. Never really recovered after that and we lost the game although we managed to drag it out for 15 mins or so after that point. Replay here: + Show Spoiler + Game 5: + Show Spoiler [Support Lux Game!] + Victory Screen: + Show Spoiler + Grid Stats: + Show Spoiler + Ran 6/18/6 masteries as this was blind pick, however didn't run the same runes as suggested (hp/lvl over armor as I didn't have the page that had mr glyphs and armor yellows) Feels pretty much the same as Season 5 although it's worth noting that the enemy Leona/Jinx botlane were playing incredibly passive, harassed Jinx from range and then started going in on them after I hit level 6 (where they just got murdered as I was with a Graves) Might have been a more oppressive lane if Thunderlords didn't bug out cause Annie ran it. Was nice to see I dished out the most damage at the end of the game though (enemy team ff'd at 20 pretty much, worth noting that they were playing 4v5 at some point cause Kindred left pretty early) Replay here: + Show Spoiler + | ||
Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On November 16 2015 00:02 Fildun wrote: Timestamps/games for mana issues? I honestly can't remember any. Also I didn't know it was bugged in the game vs Galio so couldn't do much about that one. I looked at Meditation a bit and it seemed pretty bad on paper, it doesn't give that much mana compared to just buying/runing mana regen. I'll play some more today if I get mid in soloq. Merciless and a dring vs meditation is a good thing to test actually, I'll run some math on that. Basically your games with mana you're not running out of mana in fights so much because you're diamond so you manage your mana, but from playing however any thousand Lux games I've played I can see that you don't cast E in lane as much as you could be casting it, and if you did you would be running out of mana. Not a big deal vs the TF because you were trashing him, but definitely caused problems for you vs galio, he takes a lot of poke to bring down. Meditation late game actually gives as much Regen as a Morello when your mana is low. Early game mana issues is what gates your damage, so in theory meditation should outdamage merciless. Edit: Fildun I did some Meditation vs. Merciless theorycrafting in the Lux thread. Would love yours and everybody elses input on it there. | ||
Fildun
Netherlands4118 Posts
2 more games, I did the Ketara Recommend Runes and Masteries (tm). First game I laned vs Ryze, not a whole lot happening except getting ganked a couple times. Second game went full retard, or should I say full EUW. I guess I should have bought haunting guise earlier, idk. | ||
Ethelis
United States2395 Posts
Did luden's build (team builder game) vs a Brand. Laning felt alright, i'm pretty sure I would've destroyed him if i was more conscious about thunderlord's. First game in 2 weeks and I was like at 150 cs in 17 mins so it seems great at farming. I went 12/18/0 and took the mpen/mana per 5/cdr/ap runes. I'll try to be more detailed as I shake off the rust and i'm able to give more accurate info pertaining to the build itself. | ||
Ethelis
United States2395 Posts
Same build, this time vs a Katarina. I was skeptical about the mana regen yellows but i'm slowly liking them more. This build feels rough if you don't get 2nd blue buff (jungler pls) even with the mana regen yellows and the optional doran's ring. I'm probably wasting too many skillshots. Mods: Should I be editing a single post every game I play if I go on a spree for a few games in a row? | ||
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