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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
On September 06 2015 14:09 n00bKing wrote: What Mafia games? I thought he was mafia one of his games, am I mistaken? And since you've made several posts since then, but never addressed it, I'll bring this back up: Because he was replaced. | ||
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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On Slam, I'm collecting his reads. But it appears if you look him up on the database, he always plays with a lot of filler. Anyway, disregard the filler. Post 444 could be him just trying to be helpful "the talking past line" but then later in that post, he townreads yamato. It is not clear why. rayn read is a meta read, so I'm ignoring it for now. It would appear that his two top scumreads are Breshke and GB. He drops the Breshke scumread (653) based on tinfoil but that really doesn't make any sense, he was pushing Breshke for the better part of two pages of his filter. That part stands out as poor to me because that drop really came out of nowhere and I'm not sure what Breshke did to make him change that read. The GB vote is at least consistent with his read development. So Slam is a null for that. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On September 06 2015 23:48 scott31337 wrote: I could lynch boxer but it feels like policy really. Yeah he's policy, I think Cake is better lynch. Fidei, I get the stream of conscious argument but that's why I asked her to clarify all that. Then I get the response I got in 817. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On September 06 2015 23:48 scott31337 wrote: I could lynch boxer but it feels like policy really. You wanted to lynch n00bking - do you still feel the same? Also you didn't like superbia's questioning and you said Cake's posts were really bad, so how does that all weigh into your vote? | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On September 06 2015 15:13 n00bKing wrote: Reading Scott's filter was fun btw, as relates to me. He seems to mention again every couple of posts that he feels I should be the lynch, but has never once articulated why. The closest thing you ever get from him to a "case" on his lynch target is that he thinks my posts are "bad." That's all you get. He then randomly places his vote on me, without explanation. In fact, the post where he votes against me is exclusively about other players. There is nothing at all in it that is about me, except for the unexplained vote. Later we get "D1 lynches right now are GB and N00bking and voting n00bking" but still no explanation (not even a half-assed one) for how it would make any sense to make n00bKing the Day 1 lynch. And then "I want GB or n00bking lynches though." Still no explanation for why he might want a n00bKing lynch. And then "Who are your top three scumteam? Right now for me it's GB/N00bking/Boxerfred but that's too easy" and yet again, still not even an ATTEMPT to tell anyone why he might think n00bKing could be on the scum team. But best of all is this list: All 13 players are there. And there are only TWO of them that he has no notes for. One is himself. It just says "town." He has no notes on that player. No comments. No analysis. No nothing. And that makes sense. If he wants us to think he's playing from a Town perspective, then that one word is all he needs to have on that player. The other person he has one word and NO notes for is THE PLAYER HE'S VOTING AGAINST. No notes. No comments. No analysis. No nothing. Just parks his vote there and then proceeds to talk in detail about anything and everything BUT his lynch target. That's the one thing that always just gets glossed over quickly, and that you never get any detail about. I observed Newbie 12 and looked him up in the database as well. I agree his thoughts are disjointed but he's done it as town. I recall in Newbie 12 he had a list post which was just as terse explanation, he had an afk vote there, and 13 he was forced to prematurely claim cop because of his gameplay. Scott could be mafia but what you describe is not exclusive to mafia. For him anyway. If we have a cop and he gets redchecked or gets caught out at EoD voting or something more indicative, that's one thing but it would appear his gameplay is just not that obvious town in general. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17321 Posts
Yes noobking I see you are definitely from smashboards. Needlessly uptight and a good bit vindictive. Please, SSON. What pleasure you derive from this must be shallow. I had a phrase but that Disney song is too strong! I type quickly in a hurry sometimes, I have used binary before with no issues (good luck translating binary- though it is possible) I told cake that I insulted her English so please remember I am a Spanish student and my Spanish is far worse than her English to the point that I solicited accent help (an opportunity to poke lots of insult at me) GlowingBear is a better target only due to his having done actual things that are scummy. Those votes don't make any town sense to me. | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
Just finished at my parents', so back online. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17321 Posts
So Reevaluate because you are giving yamato's burn a lot of weight. Just because I took my trolling ways to your site and recognized the game quality to be far different (and imo worse, though above my own level) doesn't mean you will make a point or look at all cool by acting superior all the time here. You forget I am a self-claimed hypocrite. I would be interested to see VayneAuthority's take on you, but I don't think he will join many games while I am around. Let's get back to the good and insightful points. Why are you pushing a policy on boxer? Unfortunately I can't be sure I will have another opportunity to poke in. | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
So, yeah, I won't vote to lynch her today. I'm going to go back to Slam's filter again. You said he plays with a lot of filler always - I need to try and find some of his substantive posts to really wrestle with. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
You didn't tinfoil vote him so I don't think you can tinfoil unvote him if I am making any sense. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On September 07 2015 00:35 Fidei86 wrote: I just re-read 817 NM, what were your thoughts on it? I don't think that "that's just how I play" is ever a good excuse for scummy play. But then again, like I said before, I don't see any particular reason to scum read her for her play. I admit that I might be biased because I've played voice Mafia with cake and she seemed very nice. But in those games she was always town and she got scum read a lot. Her responses in this game have reminded me a lot of how she played then too. So, yeah, I won't vote to lynch her today. I'm going to go back to Slam's filter again. You said he plays with a lot of filler always - I need to try and find some of his substantive posts to really wrestle with. That's the thing though, you basically answered my question. That was a pretty bad answer like she didn't want to respond. I know the case was made for her being non native, so I am reading around that and trying to give her a chance to explain how gb is scummy - at least alakaslam is explaining that gb isn't thinking for himself, which explains a mafia motivation/action, whether that's founded or not is a different issue. I said to her I had trouble understanding why she's voting people or scumreading people for things that reflect town actions. I outlined that in a previous post - On September 06 2015 06:59 NocturneMage wrote: Going through Copcake's filter as one of the issues requested - some leans I see from both alignments. mafia - the reads on glowingbear make zero sense. First she asks him how is rayn mafia then there's zero to little follow up on gb until her list post. But there her read still doesn't make sense - if gb doesn't care whether he dies or not shouldn't that make him town? the mafia need to try and survive, at least that's what gb (lol) told me in the mafia qt from my last newbie game. Anyways, also expanding on the useless details might help here - because I saw where he returned a rebuttal on rayn's read on breshke - didn't think that was useless for example. - also post 611 on moosydoosy - if moosydoosy is paying too much attention to her isn't that a towntell if he's pushing her? Or at least not alignment if he has to defend himself? I read around that post and I don't see how moosy is being "antagonistic". - read on slam - alright I don't know either of her or slam so I will ignore meta. But to say that slam is town for not being antagonistic like moosy or n00bking - this is not exclusive to mafia, I just got done finishing observing the personality game and Mr. Nice Guy in Judge Judy carried mafia. Basically this read is a bad reason to read Slam town, I am finding most of his posting nonsensical at best but for the reasons you specified it's a poor reason Those are scumtells, admittedly your read on moosy and you pushing him is a town action, so I'm going to say a null to scum lean on you for now. Also since you mentioned it what do you mean by pocketing? I'm sure I've heard it in my only other game but I forget the meanting now. I haven't played voice mafia, so I can't really comment on that. I have nothing to go on except the way she presents herself here. And I tell you the same thing I am telling rayn, I don't really want to rely on metareads from other people. | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
However I'm bringing this up: On September 06 2015 01:26 MoosyDoosy wrote: there's no way to read you when you've literally done nothing so far. but i am interested in knowing what your thoughts on CopCake and n00bKing are. I think the best thing for me to do right now is to try to appear townie and pretty much try to not get policy lynched. As far as I've read, n00bKing appears to not contribute a thing, asking questions that are not related to anything important or even useful. Feels like a lot of fluff to appear active. Skimming through CopCake's filter, I just see some hard to read posts and pressure on n00bKing, not too much evidence being brought up, just a vote. Nothing substantial although it feels like there's a high grade of activity (his filter is like 10% of the overall game by now) and she's also trying to argue and explain - so I probably wouldn't give it a scum lean. However I'll take some more time and try to catch up, I'll probably be around EoD. No guarantee on that though, I'm tired as fuck and also ill, chilling with my laptop in my awesome bed. I also want to say something about rayn: I shadowed him in one of the last games where he was town. He told me quite a lot about how he plays as town and there are some points that he told me that really hit this game: 1. he said he sucked at convincing people, and 2. he said he'd sometimes get really mad about other people. I think rayn is town. | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
His reasoning against n00b is not convincing. Whatever else you think of n00b (and I've said plenty), he hasn't shied away from dealing with specific issues. I've already said at length that I think there are issues with n00b's play, but I just think his overall play style makes more sense from a town perspective. So we've got two wagons that I think are probably town, and BF is happy with both? I think we'd be better off lynching BF. | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On September 06 2015 23:42 scott31337 wrote: I thought he was mafia one of his games, am I mistaken? Yes. No shit. Maybe that's why I mentioned "his exit from the game." Seems to me that both of the above make you the one not paying attention. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
I can possibly think of only two motives to throw a fake vote. One is to gauge reactions, which means this motive can be disclosed and you could've simply say what you've got from it. The other one doesn't make sense when you make it clear it was a fake vote. Which means: you either assume you wanted to vote Rayn (to fit the second purpose) or you admit that you didn't actually want to vote Rayn and explain it to us. When you say your vote was fake but you don't disclose your motive, it doesn't fit any of these perspectives. In other words, you did the move and now you're trying to justify it the way you can, instead of having a prior plan to it. Skipping my questions doesn't make sense either. Mafia should be pressured to give reads because that is when they fail the most, since they have to fabricate them. A way of avoiding this is to not giving reads at all, which was what you were doing. You were denying information. What is giving me pause is how freely you're posting in the thread and what advantage would you gain when going against Rayn and buddying me. Also, I agree with what you're saying about scott. | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On September 07 2015 00:24 Alakaslam wrote: Please, SSON. What pleasure you derive from this must be shallow. Oh, but the shallow pleasures are some of my very favorites.  On September 07 2015 00:24 Alakaslam wrote: GlowingBear is a better target only due to his having done actual things that are scummy. Those votes don't make any town sense to me. Sorry to hear you say that, as I think it is Scum-indicative for you. To those discussing an Alakaslam lynch, I still don't think he's the best target FOR DAY ONE, despite behavior that doesn't seem to be helpful, and a vote that is especially unhelpful. If he continues to talk this much, and continues to be unhelpful, and continues to end up with his votes in places where they shouldn't be, then it should be easy enough to get him/put him in a Noose later. | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On September 07 2015 00:30 Alakaslam wrote: By the way, whoever you are, "noobking", I think you forget I am the self claimed worst and most disinterested player on this site. I'm sure you fit right in then. The forum should be renamed "Disinterested Mafia." On September 07 2015 00:30 Alakaslam wrote: Reevaluate because you are giving yamato's burn a lot of weight. What burn do you mean? On September 07 2015 00:30 Alakaslam wrote: Why are you pushing a policy on boxer? Remarks about him made by other players lead me to believe that we can garner more information through his lynching than what you would normally get from seeing the flip of a player who isn't participating. Seeing him flip as either allegiance yields information we can use, and if the flip is Green, we know we aren't likely losing a player that would help us unravel the mystery anyway. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On September 07 2015 01:10 Fidei86 wrote: So BF, hearing his name get mentioned as a possible policy lynch, enters the thread and basically gets on board with the n00b and the Cake wagons, then calls Rayn town for meta reasons. His reasoning against n00b is not convincing. Whatever else you think of n00b (and I've said plenty), he hasn't shied away from dealing with specific issues. I've already said at length that I think there are issues with n00b's play, but I just think his overall play style makes more sense from a town perspective. So we've got two wagons that I think are probably town, and BF is happy with both? I think we'd be better off lynching BF. You do realize I've read until 17 only and didn't vote, right? I answered a question that was raised towards me. Tryhard? | ||
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