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On September 06 2015 14:18 Breshke wrote:
Hydra said it was there first game.
Firstly...WHERE?
Secondly, that would mean nothing, even if it actually happened. Have you heard of lying?
On September 06 2015 14:18 Breshke wrote:
Also it's dumb because you are apparently being purposely confusing because you think you can direct mafia night actions when you should just try lynch mafia.
1) I am not being purposely confusing at all.
2) I don't merely "think" I can influence Mafia Night Actions. I've done it more times than I could count.
3) You are not really going to sit there and tell me that your poor wittle brain cannot figure out the concept of Town players withholding information. Do only Mafia players refuse to share their thoughts with the rest of the players, Breshke?
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Reading Scott's filter was fun btw, as relates to me. He seems to mention again every couple of posts that he feels I should be the lynch, but has never once articulated why. The closest thing you ever get from him to a "case" on his lynch target is that he thinks my posts are "bad." That's all you get. He then randomly places his vote on me, without explanation. In fact, the post where he votes against me is exclusively about other players. There is nothing at all in it that is about me, except for the unexplained vote.
Later we get "D1 lynches right now are GB and N00bking and voting n00bking" but still no explanation (not even a half-assed one) for how it would make any sense to make n00bKing the Day 1 lynch.
And then "I want GB or n00bking lynches though." Still no explanation for why he might want a n00bKing lynch.
And then "Who are your top three scumteam? Right now for me it's GB/N00bking/Boxerfred but that's too easy" and yet again, still not even an ATTEMPT to tell anyone why he might think n00bKing could be on the scum team.
But best of all is this list:
On September 06 2015 03:14 scott31337 wrote:
MoosyDoosy - town, wants to solve game
n00bKing - mafia -
CoughingHydra - null - even posted?
CopCake - slight townlean trying to solve
Alakaslam - really posty - tinfoil like Breshke - actually want to win or change it up?
Fidei86 - null - posts?
scott31337 - town
Superbia - a little townlean from what I read earlier started well died off
GlowingBear - OMGUS smoking crack voting me - mafia lean - not interested in solving
boxerfred - no posts?
yamato77 - townlean - doing his yamato town "meta"
Breshke - townlean - but posting wayyy too much - laid off or changing it up - townlean not D1 lynch
raynpelikoneet - town hero as usual - <3
All 13 players are there. And there are only TWO of them that he has no notes for. One is himself. It just says "town." He has no notes on that player. No comments. No analysis. No nothing. And that makes sense. If he wants us to think he's playing from a Town perspective, then that one word is all he needs to have on that player. The other person he has one word and NO notes for is THE PLAYER HE'S VOTING AGAINST. No notes. No comments. No analysis. No nothing. Just parks his vote there and then proceeds to talk in detail about anything and everything BUT his lynch target. That's the one thing that always just gets glossed over quickly, and that you never get any detail about.
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On September 06 2015 14:37 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 14:18 Breshke wrote:
Hydra said it was there first game. Firstly...WHERE? Secondly, that would mean nothing, even if it actually happened. Have you heard of lying? Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 14:18 Breshke wrote:
Also it's dumb because you are apparently being purposely confusing because you think you can direct mafia night actions when you should just try lynch mafia. 1) I am not being purposely confusing at all. 2) I don't merely "think" I can influence Mafia Night Actions. I've done it more times than I could count. 3) You are not really going to sit there and tell me that your poor wittle brain cannot figure out the concept of Town players withholding information. Do only Mafia players refuse to share their thoughts with the rest of the players, Breshke?
On September 05 2015 20:23 CoughingHydra wrote:
It's not "fair" since some of you can base your conclusions on previous games. Also 20 pages already... But anyway, my thoughts.
First there was this convo about GB claiming vigi. I think it should be noted here that start setup is only know by mafia and blue roles (except cop and miller). The discussion went relatively constructive imo. Next, there was some pressuring going on it seems, noob voting ryan and breshke voting slam. After reading through the discussion, I don't know what to think of cake (with his funky posting) and breshke (case vs slam felt shaky and odd), but the rest seem town aligned for now (except for the people that didn't post at all obv).
Bolded infers hydra had no previous games to base conclusions off of therefore first game. You akso ignoired the thing i said about them signing up as a newbie but w/e doesn't matter
So GB asked you to clarify something so he was obviously confused. You arn't just withholding information though, you did something that doesn't add up you "fake" voted rayn and GB asked you to explain and you just cop out by saying "oh i cant explain right now im tricking mafia sa hard h3h3."
Also you can call me stupid all you want I know im bad at this so you telling me im bad isn't going to make me tilt. However right now if i look at this from your point of view you are arguing with me (who you don't want to lynch today) about something from your point of view is totally stupid because "you know what you are doing you have done it heaps of times". and you havn't even tried tot alk to me about copcake or scott who are two of your lynch candidates that I don't want to lynch today.
I don't see any townie mindset there.
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ignore the last bit you posted as i posted
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Somehow, my re-reading made me more excited to lynch boxerfred, even though he hasn't said anything. There might be more to be learned from lynching him than you would normally get by seeing the flip of a purely afk player. But I obviously still would not fight a lynch on CopCake or Scott either.
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On September 06 2015 15:14 Breshke wrote:
Bolded infers hydra had no previous games to base conclusions off of therefore first game.
Disagree.
On September 06 2015 15:14 Breshke wrote:
So GB asked you to clarify something so he was obviously confused.
Someone getting confused doesn't mean I was being confusing. And especially doesn't mean I was purposely being confusing, which is what I was accused of.
On September 06 2015 15:14 Breshke wrote:
You arn't just withholding information though, you did something that doesn't add up you "fake" voted rayn and GB asked you to explain and you just cop out by saying "oh i cant explain right now im tricking mafia sa hard h3h3."
...that would add up. I also didn't say I was tricking Mafia at all. But I could be.
On September 06 2015 15:14 Breshke wrote:
However right now if i look at this from your point of view you are arguing with me (who you don't want to lynch today) about something from your point of view is totally stupid because "you know what you are doing you have done it heaps of times". and you havn't even tried tot alk to me about copcake or scott who are two of your lynch candidates that I don't want to lynch today.
lol, would you like me to change my mind about lynching you today?
Anyway, no, I have made no special effort to talk TO YOU about Copcake or Scott. I've talked to EVERYONE about Copcake AND Scott. Now,
Why would you not want to lynch Copcake today, Breshke?
Why would you not want to lynch Scott today, Breshke?
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On September 05 2015 12:11 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 12:03 Alakaslam wrote:
Please make sure this doesn't turn into simply joining a fray.
If they talk past each other, what makes you certain they don't just talk past you? Because I am an excellent communicator and mediator.  I see your point, and it makes sense, as you don't know me. But experience has shown me that I can *successfully* clear up misunderstandings between people, instead of them just ignoring my explanations of what happened, and continuing to talk past one another. Not sure how one would fail to see its prematurity. lol
What is sad is at this point in the game, Noobkjng was very helpful and clear headed, and people were slinging stuff at him
And then he undid this statement in response.
I wonder, is it good mediation to shit on the site as a whole while not providing an address to the site that is so much better?
I suspect for real now that this is because I started snark and I have been the same way at smashboards.
Ok, fine. Smashboards is fine. I enjoy hyperbole. I hate hypocrisy, even though I practice it.
REGARDLESS
MAIN POINT
Noobking, where is your problem/case/ whatever on boxerfred as I cannot find it in your filter. I am always on mobile, so sorry if I missed it.
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Oh, hi there.
I don't think you are understanding CopCake in light of something very important.
@CopCake: please read this first before the spoiler. Everyone else can skip straight to the spoiler.
Adentro (?), yo - ah, insult?- su Ingles. Lo siento. Por favor, recordar yo es estudiante de Español que no sa- be o ve- bien. Y escuchar malo XD
Entonces, primera la enojarsas possible diga me mejor accento en voice mafia, porque mi accento es MUY gringo...
+ Show Spoiler + English second language sir. I think some meaning is being lost in missing words here and there. English is a really wordy language, oftentimes I find I am misunderstood in written communications because I am busy being my odd self plus a slight latinization of my points.
I don't read CopCake as scum at all thus far. She strikes me as frustrated but also kind of relying on Rayn as he is a good communicator who is also ESL. so, when Rayn largely disagrees with you and is being his usual bull-headed self, she strikes you as unreasonable to the point of suspicion.
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On September 06 2015 15:21 n00bKing wrote:
Somehow, my re-reading made me more excited to lynch boxerfred, even though he hasn't said anything. There might be more to be learned from lynching him than you would normally get by seeing the flip of a purely afk player. But I obviously still would not fight a lynch on CopCake or Scott either.
I feel like a complete fool.
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I could get on board with that, frankly.
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Huh.
AS I WILL BE WHOLLY BUSY TOMORROW, I MUST PARK MY VOTE. GLOWINGBEAR GETS JT FOR LACK OF BETTER TARGWT. APOLOGIES, AND GOOD LUCJ WITH THE LYNCH!
I will return after deadline tomorrow, late
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On September 06 2015 15:38 Alakaslam wrote:
Adentro (?), yo - ah, insult?- su Ingles. Lo siento. Por favor, recordar yo es estudiante de Español que no sa- be o ve- bien. Y escuchar malo XD
Entonces, primera la enojarsas possible diga me mejor accento en voice mafia, porque mi accento es MUY gringo...
I am not a fluent Spanish speaker, for purposes of face-to-face conversation. I can't follow the spoken word quickly enough. But I can translate written Spanish just fine, and I can assure the other players that what you've written here is benign.
But surely, non-English communication between players is not allowed in these games? If no one is able to (or goes to the trouble of) translating what is said, it is no different than if Alakaslam had sent CopCake a private message. So I can't think of any way that this isn't a definite no-no.
On September 06 2015 15:38 Alakaslam wrote:
English second language sir. I think some meaning is being lost in missing words here and there.
Sure. I was able to identify CopCake as not being a native English speaker, within her first 4 posts. I admit that there could be something of a language barrier here, and I also admit that in the many Mafia-by-Forum games I've played over the years, the overwhelming majority of the players in those games were American.
On September 06 2015 15:38 Alakaslam wrote:
I don't read CopCake as scum at all thus far. She strikes me as frustrated but also kind of relying on Rayn as he is a good communicator who is also ESL. so, when Rayn largely disagrees with you and is being his usual bull-headed self, she strikes you as unreasonable to the point of suspicion.
I hope you realize you are not only speaking to me here, as there are multiple CopCake-voters in the game. Will I try to emulate the stupid shit rayn says, talking about how he's 98% sure of a scumread on someone during Day 1, and then upgrades it to 99% later in the same Phase? No. I, and the other CopCake voters, could be wrong about her. But even in the exchanges where she and the person she's talking with are each entirely certain of what the other is saying...I still don't like what she's saying.
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On September 06 2015 16:07 Alakaslam wrote:
Huh.
[b]AS I WILL BE WHOLLY BUSY TOMORROW, I MUST PARK MY VOTE. GLOWINGBEAR GETS JT FOR LACK OF BETTER TARGWT.
Since you're Townleaning CopCake, Boxerfred is better targwt. :D In fact, almost anyone is better targwt than GB.
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On September 06 2015 10:52 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 10:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
GlowingBear, do you really think n00bKing is mafia here? I think there is the possibility of him being Mafia. Some of his replies are really off, his tone is over the top, the dismissal of some questions and that unexplained vote on Rayn while not scum reading him are very fair indicatives.
GB I have thought about this overnight and I don't know if it makes sense for scum n00b to post in the way that he has. Like, the points he makes are *okay* and a lot of them against Rayn I actually made myself. People seem to be scumming him more for his tone, and I agree he has been very obnoxious. But isn't that more likely to come from town than Mafia? Why does Mafia come in and generally make as many enemies as possible?
I'm also acutely aware that it's a newbie town error just to lynch the most outspoken player d1.
As to GB, I read his filter and nothing really jumped out at me. I agree with Rayn that his thread entry was highly counter-productive, and I do not agree with his outlook on blue roles in general. But anyone who was in the "why are scum winning" thread won't need me to rehash the whole GB fake cop check thing. TL:DR is that town GB makes fake blue claims which do reveal information but which also get him lynched. The whole thing is NAI for now.
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Just read a bunch of filters. I think cake is probably town. I think she's a little tunnelled on Moosy, but her posts read like a cascade of consciousness which is something that happens naturally as town but is very difficult to replicate as scum, especially in a second language. I'm interested why she thought I was more scummy than BF based on our thread entry, but that's just because I'm self-centred.
Meh. I need to reflect on this game a little because right now I have a bunch of people I don't want to lynch and not many I do. Usually I'd default to policy lynch lurkers here, but I want to get a handle on the slam/Bresh/Yamato axis first. All three are experienced players, all three seem to have been playing guardedly so far, and my intuition is that at least one of them is Mafia.
Anyone else around?
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Sooooooooo, it turns out my recollection on Slam was wrong. He hasn't been "guarded", at least not totally. But here's my issue with him- he has racked up 5 pages of game filter and I think that the grand sum of it is a couple of town reads and tons and tons of filler. Someone else may know how meta better than I do, but honestly his play so far looks super scummy. He has been almost entirely reactive (apart from his largely unexplained and aborted) push on Breshke. Other than that, he has tried to comment on most of the disputes we've had so far but not actually push anything anywhere or even try and give detailed reasoning. That pushes him to scum-lean.
Has anyone here played with him before?
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fideil what do you mean by playing "guardedly"?
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Ill be back an hour before lynch cya's then
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This might not make sense, but the way I tend to post as town is very much just see-say. I think something and I post it (provided it's helpful and not spam). Cake read to me the same way. On the other hand, reading you and Yamato I got the feeling that you were thinking carefully about your posts and that there were things you weren't saying. I definitely do not think that this is a scum tell by itself - in fact it's probably the better style of play because you post less and people can focus more on your strong points. But it also does make it slightly harder for people to town-tone read you. And it's a good way for scum to play.
Does that make sense?
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Yamato definitely came off as playing cautious early game. I know I cited the post numbers somewhere, there were 1-2 posts that jumped out at me. If I recall correctly I think he bailed as if he felt the n00bking lynch was settled. What does he think about n00bking now?
He's been afk looks like 16h so I'd like to know who he'd lynch if hypothetically n00bking were to lose his head and get modkilled. Let's say hypothetically n00b flips town. Then who would he lynch?
End of day is 2330, right?
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