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On August 01 2015 22:36 disformation wrote: Here we either have an incredible bus by Breshke or Sulfurus (don't really think so though). I am still on Sulf because my last minute vote didn't go through. Might make me look a bit worse for trying to get last minute town cred or something. Otherwise we are left with Rels, n00bKing and ruXxar.
So yeah... unless Sulfurus or Breshke set up some really sick busses D1 AND D3 we are pretty much left with n00bKing or ruXxar. Shocking. Other opinions? Did I miss something? Breshke was AFK at the end of Day 3. Read the end of Day 3. There is never a post from him after Mage returns to the thread. It's not a bus, it's an accident. Day 1 was a bus, and Breshke was one of the 3 players (Rels, Sulfurus, Breshke) that Ticktock and I have been saying for the ENTIRE game were in the prime bussing slots when Barakos goes down.
And you can't be "left with n00bKing" when there seems to be a huge Town Case that explains why I'm not Scum, and when I'm the whole reason NM got lynched!
Damdred was trying to push Mage earlier in the day, but he was doing it by piddlin' around with weaksauce posts like this one:
Damdred wrote: 1) He really has been super side lined all game. 2) The only halfway scum read flipped mafia Barajas had was on mages and town reads on what I consider town players. And as we know new s um players have an easier time scum reading scum. 3) Super poor re entrance d2 lynch only talked about scum breshke basically. Saw you up for lynch breahje voted to lynch you right before he voted ai he couldn't of missed it voted with breahke. 4) Didn't care around lynch voted and left 5) Didn't care about night phase Is that what is supposed to qualify as a "Scum Case" on someone around here? That's pretty limp. As someone who was ALREADY scumreading NM (and had been for a while) I read Damdred's "case" on NM and said: MEH. That doesn't make me interested in lynching NM.
I, on the other hand, posted arguments against NM that give people a reason to vote against him that they can understand and feel good about. And when Damdred wavered on NM and thought he might want to lynch Sulfurus instead, I kept pushing him (and everyone) back to NM as the best target.
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You know noob you are really going about this the wrong way, literally youa re attacking every person whos somewhat trying to figure the game out.
Oh well I guess
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On August 01 2015 22:54 disformation wrote: Uuuuh. Just got this idea while shower. This is a bit wifomy, but kinda makes sense in my head right now: Did you notice which scum role is left? roleblocker... So. Let us say n00bKing is the roleblocker. He just lost a teammate D1. His other teammate is not that active. He knows there is a vet and a cop in the game. Rels says he would check n00bKing if he is the cop. He panics and judges the danger of a potential redcheck on D2 to be higher than hitting the vet. He blocks Rels. D2 he notices he has screwed up badly and tries to invent a ploy, where he can spin this to his advantage. Dude...come ON. There WAS no danger of Rels the Cop turning in a check on me. I cannot possibly have "panicked" and thought that Rels is a Cop who would turn in a check on me, after he makes the post he did in the Night Phase.
And you think my "ploy" could have been made up after the fact? If it's just something I made up on the fly, after making the "mistake" of roleblocking Rels, then why is the logic SO perfect? No one is lucky enough to have the RB on Rels be that Town-indicative for me, if I "notice" my "mistake" on Day 2 and then try to invent a way for it to work in my favor.
Read this:
+ Show Spoiler + #2) Rels was roleblocked It's been hypothesized that I could have roleblocked Rels because I was afraid that he was a Cop that was going to turn in a check on me. I find this absurd, because Rels said that if he was the Cop, he would...turn in a check on me. And he offered no other suggestions to the Cop. Have any of you ever made a post like that as the Cop, and then turned in an action that was exactly what you said you'd do? I never have. And I've never seen anyone else do it, either. And I don't expect I ever will. "Common sense" says I won't. Further, it doesn't make any sense that I would spend Day 1 and Night 1 building a case on Rels, and then roleblock him, in a setup with a guaranteed Scum roleblocker and no Town roleblocker. It would undo all of the work I'd done up to that point to try and make him look suspicious, flushing all of that work down the toilet. It would also destroy my own credibility as a scum-hunter, because I look like a donkey for having scumread him all that time, once the roleblock makes him confirmed Town. People would be less likely to listen to who I think we should lynch, because I had been so wrong about Rels. This would make it harder to get the mislynches I would need to come back from the bad start. Scum does not give up control over future lynches just for the sake of WIFOM. Rels had indicated that although roleblocking or killing him WOULD be terrible for a scum n00bKing, maybe I would have felt compelled to do it anyway, just to avoid the threat of him being a Cop that was about to get a redcheck on me. He phrased that like this: Rels wrote: I agree that if you are mafia, it's bad for you to roleblock me (or kill me). BUT if you know there is a cop in the setup, you have no choice but to do that. Bad situation but wifomable > red check. But that's just bad math. Of course there is a choice of not doing that, even IF I think there's a chance that Rels might check me, if he were to be the Cop. Roleblocking/killing Rels has a 100% chance of being bad for me if I'm Scum, because of how him becoming confirmed Town wrecks my credibility as a scum-hunter. Yes, the red check would suck MORE, but Rels becoming confirmed Town absolutely sucks. 100% chance that it sucks. Whereas, the chances of Rels being Cop were only 10%. And the chances of Rels being Cop and turning in a check on me (when that's exactly what he said he would do if he were the Cop) are even less than 10%. If I'm Scum and lost Barakos on Day 1, I cannot do something that has a 100% chance of sucking for me. That's not how to make up ground. I have to take that less than 10% chance of Rels being the Cop and redchecking me (IF I'm the roleblocker and not the Godfather. Otherwise, that less than 10% chance is 0%.) So this is not a close call. This is not a tough decision. There is NO...WAY that I would roleblock Rels. Can't afford it. Why is Rels more likely to be the Cop than other people who suggested a Cop check on me, anyway? As I've outlined, he's actually LESS likely to be Cop than other players. But he certainly isn't MORE likely. So why roleblock HIM, when that's the only roleblock target that destroys everything I've done up to that point? As mentioned earlier in the thread, there were a total of 4 players who either mentioned the idea of me being a Cop check, or mentioned me as possible scum. They were: rayn, Rels, ruXxar, and Sulfurus. I made this post: + Show Spoiler +If I roleblock Sulfurus...eliminates him as a strong mislynch candidate. Sucks for me a little, since I had expressed some suspicion of him.
If I roleblock rayn...no problem! This works great! He was the strongest advocate for the Barakos lynch, and was being townread pretty widely.
If I roleblock you (ruXxar)....no problem! This works great! You were already being DumbTown-read pretty widely.
If I roleblock Rels...it WRECKS MY WHOLE FUCKING GAME TO THIS POINT.
If I am Scum, HOW on Earth did that roleblock target get turned in?!! And none of my accusers ever made a PEEP in response to it. NOTHING. Because there's no explaining how I pick Rels as the potential Cop to roleblock, over the others. It doesn't make any sense. The roleblock on Rels is powerful evidence that I am Town.
And I'll say again:
When it comes to "evidence" that you have to THINK about, instead of just "proof" that comes directly from the game mechanics, Point #2 is some of the most compelling evidence of a player being Town that you'll ever see in one of these games. Point #1 was also strengthened (to the point where it becomes too much to ignore) when Moosy did indeed flip Town. Barakos flipped Red, Moosy flipped Green. There is NO way to explain my Day 1 play if I'm Scum.
And we can add Point #7, which is all the work I put in to get Mage lynched on Day 3.
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ummmm yeah, you should probably just start saying who you think is scum and why instead of crying out how great a job you did or why x posts suck.
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On August 02 2015 03:52 Damdred wrote: ummmm yeah, you should probably just start saying who you think is scum and why instead of crying out how great a job you did or why x posts suck.
Agreed. If I remember right n00bKing wanted to solve the game with a surefire case on NMs partner. If he spends all night defending himself I kinda want to lynch him for obstruction of town agenda.
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On August 01 2015 23:09 disformation wrote: also: why is n00bKing voting for the hero who saved him? He stopped saving me, and moved his vote TO me. I had specifically said that the only way I would vote Sulfurus was for self-preservation. And that otherwise, I thought Mage was our guy. And then Sulfurus tried to kill me. I was in the vote lead, and I moved for self-preservation, just as I had said I would.
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On August 01 2015 23:15 Damdred wrote: The only thing I could say there is that noob is trying to save himself which is nai, however it is a fair point that noob shows 0 confussion paranoia etc when he flips onto mages. When who flips onto Mage? What do you mean?
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he moved to save himself now, why would mafia sulf then move back to his partner instead of staying on you after I said hey lets get back on mages and sulf, myself scott moved back and killed mages.
What is the mafia motivation in that situation when he to was acting in self preservation with only a minute and a half for a switch?
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On August 01 2015 23:20 ruXxar wrote: Btw if I'm mafia here I just concede, there's no fucking way for me to win from this position if I'm mafia. lol, and if I'm mafia here I would have conceded at the end of Day 1. I didn't sign up to play from the Mafia side of a 10/2 setup. No thanks.
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On August 02 2015 02:55 Rels wrote: On thing I see from looking at this vote recaps is that NM piled on Sulfurus D2, so another townie point to Sulfu. In day 1 NocturneMage waited until the very last moment to bus; I can't imagine him bussing Sulfurus so early when there are already one mafia down AND he didn't bus Barakos early. Correct. This is part of the reason why I said Damdred's Mage/Sulfurus team didn't make sense to me. There are other reasons as well, to be skeptical of that combination.
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On August 02 2015 04:05 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2015 23:09 disformation wrote: also: why is n00bKing voting for the hero who saved him? He stopped saving me, and moved his vote TO me. I had specifically said that the only way I would vote Sulfurus was for self-preservation. And that otherwise, I thought Mage was our guy. And then Sulfurus tried to kill me. I was in the vote lead, and I moved for self-preservation, just as I had said I would. You are saying the reason Sulfurus voted you was NOT self preservation ?
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On August 02 2015 03:11 Damdred wrote: So yeah so much for noob helping us solve the game here I gues? What are you talking about? I told you the scum team on Day 3, before Mage ever flipped. And whaddya know? He flipped Red, just like I said.
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On August 02 2015 04:10 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2015 04:05 n00bKing wrote:On August 01 2015 23:09 disformation wrote: also: why is n00bKing voting for the hero who saved him? He stopped saving me, and moved his vote TO me. I had specifically said that the only way I would vote Sulfurus was for self-preservation. And that otherwise, I thought Mage was our guy. And then Sulfurus tried to kill me. I was in the vote lead, and I moved for self-preservation, just as I had said I would. You are saying the reason Sulfurus voted you was NOT self preservation ?
Sometimes I love you rels, i'm a big fan of yours
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On August 02 2015 04:11 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2015 03:11 Damdred wrote: So yeah so much for noob helping us solve the game here I gues? What are you talking about? I told you the scum team on Day 3, before Mage ever flipped. And whaddya know? He flipped Red, just like I said.
Btw did you scum read nm d2? or when did you decide that?
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If I die during th enight for some reason, make sur enoob answers the questions that were posted.
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On August 02 2015 03:42 Damdred wrote: You know noob you are really going about this the wrong way, literally youa re attacking every person whos somewhat trying to figure the game out. I don't know what you mean. I'm posting all of the observations about how the Day played out. The ones that support my intended lynch target, AND the ones that don't. I'm presenting all of the evidence as it actually stands, and not just the evidence that motivates people to lynch the player I think they should. And you're complaining?
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On August 02 2015 04:07 Damdred wrote: he moved to save himself now, why would mafia sulf then move back to his partner instead of staying on you after I said hey lets get back on mages and sulf, myself scott moved back and killed mages. No shit, how many times do I have to say that I don't think Sulfurus is Mage's partner? And how LONG have I been saying that? I've been saying that since Night ONE.
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On August 02 2015 04:10 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2015 04:05 n00bKing wrote:On August 01 2015 23:09 disformation wrote: also: why is n00bKing voting for the hero who saved him? He stopped saving me, and moved his vote TO me. I had specifically said that the only way I would vote Sulfurus was for self-preservation. And that otherwise, I thought Mage was our guy. And then Sulfurus tried to kill me. I was in the vote lead, and I moved for self-preservation, just as I had said I would. You are saying the reason Sulfurus voted you was NOT self preservation ? No?
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On August 02 2015 04:18 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2015 04:11 n00bKing wrote:On August 02 2015 03:11 Damdred wrote: So yeah so much for noob helping us solve the game here I gues? What are you talking about? I told you the scum team on Day 3, before Mage ever flipped. And whaddya know? He flipped Red, just like I said. Btw did you scum read nm d2? or when did you decide that? When did I begin scum reading NM, or when did I decide that Breshke was his partner? I began scumreading NM during Night 1. I didn't decide Breshke was his partner until late in Day 3, after seeing how Mage responded to having the vote lead, and answered my question of whether he was the Cop or not.
Damdred wrote:If I die during th enight for some reason, make sur enoob answers the questions that were posted. Maybe you should make you that YOU answer the questions that were posed to YOU.
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On August 02 2015 02:51 Rels wrote:Vote recaps Day 1 final votebarakos (8): raynpelikoneet, disformation, Damdred, Breshke, Sulfurus, Rels, n00bKing, NocturneMageMoosyDoosy (2): ruXxar, Rels, Tictock, ruXxar NocturneMage (0): Relsruxxar (0): n00bKingrels (0): n00bKingraynpelikoneet (0): ruXxarNot voting (3): MoosyDoosy, Barakos, Flexes + Show Spoiler + Day 1 vote recap
H00M25 n00bKing voted for ruXxar H09M19 raynpelikoneet voted for Barakos H10M53 Rels voted for NocturneMage H15M45 ruXxar voted for MoosyDoosy H17M47 Rels unvoted H17M47 Rels voted for MoosyDoosy H18M59 Rels unvoted H21M06 disformation voted for Barakos H22M14 Damdred voted for barakos H22M59 n00bKing unvoted H22M59 n00bKing voted for Rels H26M49 Breshke voted for Barakos H26M57 Sulfurus voted for Barakos H33M53 Rels voted for Barakos H35M31 Tictock voted for MoosyDoosy H39M06 ruXxar unvoted H39M06 ruXxar voted for rayn H40M12 ruXxar unvoted H40M12 ruXxar voted for MoosyDoosy H46M04 n00bKing unvoted H46M04 n00bKing voted for Barakos H46M20 NocturneMage voted for Barakos
Day 2 final voteMoosyDoosy (1): TicTock, Sulfurus, ruXxar, Breshke, ruXxar sulfurus (0): n00bKing, disformation, Rels, MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage, scott31337, n00bKingTicTock (7): raynpelikoneet, scott31337, Rels, raynpelikoneet, ruXxar, scott31337, Sulfurus, disformation, raynpelikoneet, Damdred, Breshke n00bking (0): ruXxarbreshke (0): TicTockscott31337 (1): TicTock, Damdred, disformation, Breshke, MoosyDoosy, n00bKing, NocturneMage, raynpelikoneetNocturneMage (2): Damdred, TicTock, MoosyDoosy, scott31337rels (1): n00bKing + Show Spoiler + Day 2 vote recap
H04M48 TicTock voted for MoosyDoosy H05M33 Sulfurus voted for MoosyDoosy H06M04 n00bKing voted for Sulfurus H06M08 raynpelikoneet voted for TicTock H11M01 disformation voted for Sulfurus H11M50 Rels voted for Sulfurus H16M47 MoosyDoosy voted for Sulfurus H16M57 NocturneMage voted for Sulfurus H20M16 scott31337 voted for Sulfurus H22M46 scott31337 unvoted H22M46 scott31337 voted for TicTock H23M07 disformation unvoted H24M01 ruXxar voted for MoosyDoosy H26M12 ruXxar unvoted H26M12 ruXxar voted for n00bking H32M49 TicTock unvoted H32M49 TicTock voted for Breshke H34M01 Rels unvoted H34M01 Rels voted for TicTock H35M35 TicTock unvoted H35M35 TicTock voted for scott31337 H37M25 Breshke voted for MoosyDoosy H40M24 ruXxar unvoted H40M24 ruXxar voted for TicTock H44M03 ruXxar voted for MoosyDoosy (fake vote) H44M43 Damdred voted for scott31337 H44M53 disformation voted for scott31337 H45M07 Breshke unvoted H45M07 Breshke voted for scott31337 H45M20 MoosyDoosy unvoted H45M20 MoosyDoosy voted for scott31337 H45M27 n00bKing unvoted H45M27 n00bKing voted for scott31337 H45M27 NocturneMage unvoted H45M27 NocturneMage voted for scott31337 H46M06 Damdred unvoted H46M06 Damdred voted for NocturneMage H46M30 TicTock unvoted H46M30 TicTock voted for NocturneMage H46M30 MoosyDoosy unvoted H46M30 MoosyDoosy voted for NocturneMage H46M31 scott31337 unvoted H46M31 scott31337 voted for NocturneMage H46M32 disformation unvoted H46M51 scott31337 unvoted H46M51 scott31337 voted for TicTock H46M56 Sulfurus unvoted H46M56 Sulfurus voted for TicTock H47M05 disformation voted for TicTock H47M19 raynpelikoneet unvoted H47M19 raynpelikoneet voted for scott31337 H47M26 raynpelikoneet unvoted H47M26 raynpelikoneet voted for TicTock H47M27 Damdred unvoted H47M27 Damdred voted for TicTock H47M35 Breshke unvoted H47M35 Breshke voted for TicTock H47M57 n00bKing unvoted H47M57 n00bKing voted for Sulfurus H47M57 n00bKing unvoted H47M57 n00bKing voted for Rels
Day 3 final voteNocturneMage (4): Breshke, Sulfurus, Damdred, scott31337Sulfurus (3): Rels, disformation, n00bKing n00bking (2): ruXxar, NocturneMage+ Show Spoiler + Day 2 vote recap Aaaaa no fucking timestamps
ruXxar voted for n00bking scott31337 voted for n00bking MoosyDoosy voted for MoosyDoosy Damdred voted for NocturneMage Breshke voted for MoosyDoosy Rels voted for n00bKing disformation voted for NocturneMage Sulfurus voted for n00bKing n00bKing voted for NocturneMage
Looks really bad for n00b here - d1 after Rels votes and Barakos is probably toast they go for the phat bus. We know now mafia NM bussed here. D2 he knows TT is town and is toast so he doesn't vote for him and tosses his vote so he doesn't look as bad. NM afk votes me (wasted vote too) D3 NM wagon probably pure as fuck Only thing going for N00b is NM voted for him but after shennanies NM gets lynched anyway but now he wants mad NM props Just don't get tunneled - re-read the game if you have to - We should be okay - I BELIEVE IN YOU!!
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