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GB makes a play that reveals that Mig is mafia. Mig would have definitely died that day instead of me, especially when the 2 masons were on him and pushing for his lynch over mine. If he didn't die that day and I died (free mislynch for mafia) mafia then need to kill the cop/the jk/2 masons and whatever else there is there.
Look at this from a mafia perspective.
Mig does not counter claim and I get mislynched. Mig would die if I flipped miller the next day without a doubt in my mind.
1 mislynch, mig 100% dies, mafia need to kill 4 blue roles with 1kp each night, don't know who jk is either
Mig does not counter claim and he dies. Mig dies, GB needs to be killed at night but might get saved, I get mislynched the next day, mafia don't have a role cop to find out who the jker is.
1 POTENTIAL mislynch, mig 100% dies, need to kill 4 blue roles and they don't know who jker is
If mig counter claims, GB dies - 3 blues needed to be killed with 1kp each night - Mig 100% dies the next day, cop is revealed as true and holyflare gets lynched because of it as ANOTHER mislynch
2 mislynches, mig 100% dies, mafia need to kill 3 blue roles with 1kp each night, mybe jk claims and they know who it is
If both me and mig are mafia and he cc's gb
1 POTENTIAL mislynch, BOTH ME AND MIG DIE when gb flips cop since mig is revealed from trap and i have been red checked, 3 more blues to find and potentially a jker outs or doesn't out
1 POTENTIAL mislynch, -2 mafia, potentially find out who jker is if they out themselves or use role cop
1 mislynch, -1 mafia, gb confirmed cop and maybe doesn't die and they need to medic dodge +1 confirmed
1 POTENTIAL mislynch
2 mislynches, -1 mafia, only 3 blues to kill and jker found
which one do you think mafia takes? the one where they kill 2 of their team mates for 1 potential mislynch play on gb or the one where they get 2 mislynches in both me and gb and perhaps out the jker? I think it's quite obvious I would not allow the shit play to happen 10/10 times if I was mafia because it's fucking dumb
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On June 30 2015 07:50 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2015 07:43 ruXxar wrote:On June 30 2015 04:04 Damdred wrote:
And at the same time, we have to ask ourselves why would mig go out of his way to claim get gb lynched and lynch himself.
There are only two answers at this point
1) Set up a mislynch on HF the next following day where a red check screwed up town and lost the game.
2) HF is the RB and is needed to block vayne so that the kill isn't blocked the next night.
If we believe option 2 then rux is more than likely not mafia at all.
Option one he still could be. #1 I don't agree. There's no way mig could've known that VA would out himself. Without the claim by VA, I'm fairly certain it would've failed. Why not just let HF die and get +1 townkill before he died himself? Seems like a really dumb move to me. #2 is possibility but it's sort of out there... what made you think of this? Ummmm I don't think you understand how #1 works. It doesn't revolve Vayne outing himself at all, however Scum knows that someone interacted in some way with Bugs night one. That's an added bonus. And honestly, Mig was outed as mafia anyway in gbs world 100% anyway. Theres no way he should of lived through the night as the cop just pure disbelief of the claim and no reason to let him get another check anyway. And actually his claim was perfect to draw out the rb or jk (even though they knew it was a jk anyway). And #2 happens all the time.
Still not sure I understand #1.
You're saying mig claimed without thinking he could take down GB because:
- Mig gets lynched, flips red.
- GB survives the night(saved by JK) and everyone believes GB is now DT.
- Next day GB pushes HF and HF flips miller / framed.
Is this correct?
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On June 30 2015 08:49 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2015 06:45 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 30 2015 06:43 ruXxar wrote:On June 29 2015 10:38 Holyflare wrote:
like i don't have to tell you how retarded it is to not be on a unanimous target regardless of what you think today Being on a unanimous target is a sign that we're voting off town or mafia bussing their teammate, with the first being more likely than the second. I don't like the feeling I get when a lynch goes through unanimously, unless there it's very clear that a target is going to be lynched. Which is why it's also important to look for the people that are pushing in opposite directions and discern their motivation for doing so. (maybe they are trying to save their mafia buddy from the train ?). If we're not voting unanimously and even one town votes on another town, mafia can swap all their votes at eod and we lose. That's why we need to pick one target Hmm.. didn't think of that. good point.
The post you criticised me in had that exact line in it -.- -.- -.-
On June 30 2015 04:30 Holyflare wrote:
Also don't forget that we MUST all be unanimously lynching someone today (not me). You absolutely cannot be spreading votes out because that can enable mafia to all vote switch and win.
I'm really finding it hard to believe you're actually thinking logically about this game at all when you nitpick individual points and try and turn it into me being scummy instead.
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On June 30 2015 09:20 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2015 08:49 ruXxar wrote:On June 30 2015 06:45 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 30 2015 06:43 ruXxar wrote:On June 29 2015 10:38 Holyflare wrote:
like i don't have to tell you how retarded it is to not be on a unanimous target regardless of what you think today Being on a unanimous target is a sign that we're voting off town or mafia bussing their teammate, with the first being more likely than the second. I don't like the feeling I get when a lynch goes through unanimously, unless there it's very clear that a target is going to be lynched. Which is why it's also important to look for the people that are pushing in opposite directions and discern their motivation for doing so. (maybe they are trying to save their mafia buddy from the train ?). If we're not voting unanimously and even one town votes on another town, mafia can swap all their votes at eod and we lose. That's why we need to pick one target Hmm.. didn't think of that. good point. The post you criticised me in had that exact line in it -.- -.- -.- Show nested quote +On June 30 2015 04:30 Holyflare wrote:
Also don't forget that we MUST all be unanimously lynching someone today (not me). You absolutely cannot be spreading votes out because that can enable mafia to all vote switch and win. I'm really finding it hard to believe you're actually thinking logically about this game at all when you nitpick individual points and try and turn it into me being scummy instead.
LOL, not sure how I missed that. Really sorry HF  .
You're right that I'm a little too stuck up on you though. There's really not much more to gain by reiterating that you have a red-check on you, and we've pretty much discussed most of the scenarios anyway.
Help me find other scum will you? 
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i.... did that pretty much all game!?!??!?!??!?!?!
onegu/shockey/(you/damd/nydus, probably not nydus and maybe damd, leaning towards you for ignoring the gameplay and sticking to a red check since people have been red checked as millers in many games before and people seem quite capable of overlooking that and judging them on their play and making the right decision instead) a red check is the easiest bs to push right now
will continue to do stuff though
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Like, what do you think of shockey and his vote switching day 1?
He went from LS to Boxerfred to GB to boxerfred.
And he switched to GB simply because he was being ignored?
I'll make a mini-case about it in a bit.
I also find his posting lackluster in general, and he's been going under the radar quite a bit.
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On June 30 2015 09:18 Holyflare wrote:
GB makes a play that reveals that Mig is mafia. Mig would have definitely died that day instead of me, especially when the 2 masons were on him and pushing for his lynch over mine. If he didn't die that day and I died (free mislynch for mafia) mafia then need to kill the cop/the jk/2 masons and whatever else there is there.
Look at this from a mafia perspective.
Mig does not counter claim and I get mislynched. Mig would die if I flipped miller the next day without a doubt in my mind.
1 mislynch, mig 100% dies, mafia need to kill 4 blue roles with 1kp each night, don't know who jk is either
Mig does not counter claim and he dies. Mig dies, GB needs to be killed at night but might get saved, I get mislynched the next day, mafia don't have a role cop to find out who the jker is.
1 POTENTIAL mislynch, mig 100% dies, need to kill 4 blue roles and they don't know who jker is
If mig counter claims, GB dies - 3 blues needed to be killed with 1kp each night - Mig 100% dies the next day, cop is revealed as true and holyflare gets lynched because of it as ANOTHER mislynch
2 mislynches, mig 100% dies, mafia need to kill 3 blue roles with 1kp each night, mybe jk claims and they know who it is
If both me and mig are mafia and he cc's gb
1 POTENTIAL mislynch, BOTH ME AND MIG DIE when gb flips cop since mig is revealed from trap and i have been red checked, 3 more blues to find and potentially a jker outs or doesn't out
1 POTENTIAL mislynch, -2 mafia, potentially find out who jker is if they out themselves or use role cop
1 mislynch, -1 mafia, gb confirmed cop and maybe doesn't die and they need to medic dodge +1 confirmed
1 POTENTIAL mislynch
2 mislynches, -1 mafia, only 3 blues to kill and jker found
which one do you think mafia takes? the one where they kill 2 of their team mates for 1 potential mislynch play on gb or the one where they get 2 mislynches in both me and gb and perhaps out the jker? I think it's quite obvious I would not allow the shit play to happen 10/10 times if I was mafia because it's fucking dumb
When you put it like this it sort of makes sense.
Hmm hmm hmm hmm....
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oh my god I've been saying that for awhile now O_o....
Shockey isn't doing shit, oneg isn't doing shit.
LS isn't doing shit either which bothers me.
HF is doing the most, which granted isn't as alignment indicative but like I've been saying for the past 24 hours there are other mafia besides hf I you think hf is one.
Ruxars last post just feels fake btw
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Yeah well, it feels kind of unfair to push people that don't even show up to defend themselves.
Actually it's not even that.
This game is just boring if people can't be arsed to participate.
Like, come on.
It's almost like I want to town read people at this point just by being active since really, what's the point in playing if no one cares to give any effort.
The core fundamental of the game relies on communication and interaction, and when people aren't even committed to that it's like.. What's the point anymore.
At some point you just stop giving any shits when you see that people don't care anymore.
I rather play a fun and action packed game where I lose, rather than a game full of Lurkers where I win in the end.
There's no satisfaction in that.
/endrant
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You know what, earlier I was typing up nice posts with nice formatting and colors etc, but at this point I'm just frustrated.
So if you think my post is fake that's just fine.
Right now I don't care anymore.
I'm just going to spice things up to make the game more interesting for myself.
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So this is my new policy.
I'm parking my vote on scummy lurkers until they show up and defend themselves.
Either play the game or get lynched.
##vote onegu
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Sorry I just got home from playing Pokemon TCG(Forgot to tell you guys that I was going out but I also did stayed longer than normal so meh) but honestly I willing to lynch Onegu and Shockeyy for certain but the question is who should we lynch first?
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If it was up to me I'd lynch them both today.
I lean slightly more towards onegu for total lack of rational thought process.
Like he makes some weird ass statements I don't understand at all.
Like saying you have TMI.
Saying you claimed red.
Saying he voted on gb because he wanted to consolidate.
Tunneling you all game for no fucking reason, just because he has a personal vendetta against you?
Then when you are actually green checked he makes up hilariously unlikely scenarios to fit his world.
Not one solid read out of that guy and afk all game?
Fuck that, I'm done.
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This was my last post for tonight.
I need to sleep and calm down a bit.
Good night.
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On June 30 2015 11:51 Damdred wrote:
oh my god I've been saying that for awhile now O_o....
Shockey isn't doing shit, oneg isn't doing shit.
LS isn't doing shit either which bothers me.
HF is doing the most, which granted isn't as alignment indicative but like I've been saying for the past 24 hours there are other mafia besides hf I you think hf is one.
Ruxars last post just feels fake btw
Do you think I've done more than LS and Onegu? Or just as much as them? Or less? Cause I think I've done a better fucking job than both of them this whole game, even with LS huge terrible filter and he's suppose to be "town"....
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On June 30 2015 08:03 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2015 05:40 NydusHerMain wrote:
Actually I think it has the chance to prove something.
1) if they were scum reading bugs, probably means that they thought it was a roleblocker meaning bugs would be mafia since if it was a town roleblocker they were hunting for, bugs is scum that carried kp
2) if they were town reading bugs, NAI because they could hunt for medic if bugs is saved or bugs could be roleblocked as mafia and still look for a jailer thinking that jailer will believe he is town Can you ELI 5? I have a hard time understand all the role stuff :<.
So we know for a fact that bugs was jailed on n1. If bugs is mafia, and his KP was roleblocked, mafia will be looking for a roleblocker to kill the next night. So, they will be specifically looking for people who thinks bugs is mafia because they think that the roleblocker roleblocked him because they thought he was scummy. This means that if the night kills are people who were specifically reading bugs scummy before they died, especially more on day 2 than day 1 since they'd have confirmation that roleblocking bugs resulted in reduction in kp, it makes bugs more likely to be mafia.
If bugs was actually saved, then mafia doesn't know that bugs was jailed, but could also think he was medic saved so mafia night kills will be specifically hunting for someone who town reads bugs or tries to avoid him like the plague (readswise) because that would be looking for someone who thinks that they got a confirmed town. However, if bugs is mafia and his kp got blocked, they might also think that it was a jailer and consequently, could also hunt for someone who town reads bugs because they might think that it's a jailer who could think that bugs was saved.
Basically, if the people who died were scum reading bugs, he's more likely to be scum, if the people who died were town reading bugs, it doesn't really mean anything but slightly leans him towards town because it's riskier for mafia to kill people town reading him even if it's a role kill.
On June 30 2015 07:31 Fidei86 wrote:
@Nyd I really don't think it's for me to choose the lynch. I mean, I am town, but I've been hopeless this game. I want to lynch HF because I don't think we'd ever live it down if we let someone argue us out of a red check. I agree that lynching him doesn't necessarily take us closer to victory, since we're still at mis-lynch/lose, but seeing peoples reactions to the accusation is still interesting.
Okay I guess what I should've said was that whoever we decide to lynch, you need to be convinced that it is the right lynch because we need your vote no matter who we vote on in order to win. Let's say you're the sole voter on someone and that person is mafia, the only way we don't lose at EoD is if the other three town exactly has all unanimously voted on a single mafia target so that we can win based on us voting someone first. Any other combination will result in mafia being able to swap at EoD and we lose. So no matter what, we need you so even if you're not choosing who is lynched, you have to be on board.
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On June 20 2015 14:25 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 14:19 Breshke wrote:
Rit I agree shockey is scummy and I want to lynch him or Mig today if we arn't lynching GB
Can you explain why you don't want to lynch GB do you have him as town? Or do you just think shockey is scummier honestly i remember gb doing some townie shit and some scummy shit so his alignment is inconclusive to me. maybe he is scum cuz he keeps getting bogged down in stupid shit. i don't really give a damn. i see shockeyy and bugs' slot (now ruxxar) as scum. with the outside shot of LS. that's who i want to lynch and i want people to get on board. for bugs/ruxxar -> endless shit fighting into little production -> prompting shockeyy after afk implies QT -> ruxxar posts manufactured reads...didn't even know LS claimed a role even though it dominated 70 pages of the game. called LS calm and collected...just no..just no. if GB is still whiny after i get through those 2 and if damdred still hasn't posted more then i will go deal with those two.
On June 21 2015 08:32 ritoky wrote:
honestly feel like ruxxar could be scum operating on teammate advice....just reading filters and spam posting evaluations while disengaged from the game.
On June 22 2015 05:16 ritoky wrote:
talk about some1 who might actually get lynched today ruxx.
Constant scumreading ruxx and scumreading shockey all day 2.
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On June 19 2015 09:35 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 09:26 ShoCkeyy wrote:Sorry guys, was driving/eating dinner, going to catch up. I saw BF flipped town. So brings me back to this: On June 19 2015 06:27 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 06:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Ok this is twice I've been ignored. Just going to park my vote here until 10mins before lynch time. Let's see what happens.
##unvote
##vote GlowingBear like this is really fucking weird You bitch about me switching to GB, then now bitch about me switching off, which one did you want? I switched to GB due to reasons mentioned. I would of stayed there, but BF's filter was scummy too. BF disappears before vote ended while GB kept defending himself, which made me second guess the vote and I switched to BF. what do you think about GB now? Also bugs what information should people gather from you and ritoky discussing who is better than who?
On June 19 2015 09:41 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 09:36 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 09:35 Breshke wrote:On June 19 2015 09:26 ShoCkeyy wrote:Sorry guys, was driving/eating dinner, going to catch up. I saw BF flipped town. So brings me back to this: On June 19 2015 06:27 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 06:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Ok this is twice I've been ignored. Just going to park my vote here until 10mins before lynch time. Let's see what happens.
##unvote
##vote GlowingBear like this is really fucking weird You bitch about me switching to GB, then now bitch about me switching off, which one did you want? I switched to GB due to reasons mentioned. I would of stayed there, but BF's filter was scummy too. BF disappears before vote ended while GB kept defending himself, which made me second guess the vote and I switched to BF. what do you think about GB now? Also bugs what information should people gather from you and ritoky discussing who is better than who? they can gather whatever information they want, really most people in this game don't seem to have the ability to comprehend what they read anyway Yeah but you can see where VA is coming from. You said last game (i think?) that your main problem was not forming reads but convincing others of those reads.It doesn't help if your filter has splattering s of posts which arn't that useful and are tiresome to read again and again.
On June 20 2015 12:06 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 09:58 VayneAuthority wrote:
nightkill means pussies are playing mafia, pretty useful to know Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 09:59 VayneAuthority wrote:
kinda reinforces the fact that GB is probably scum, he talks a lot in QT and has weird commitment issues on nightkills and actions. likes to second guess. A clear protection dodge on the nightkill. Nah this is deffs a weird view point in my opinion because if you come to the conclusion that GB is scum like you did there was 3 players i would say were pushing him the hardest. HF Bugs KSC Bugs replaced out so why kill the replacement who is a newbie and called GB town.KSC dead And how do you know HF wasnt targeted by mafia and someone got a save or succesfully roleblocked mafia. I don't really get your viewpoint VA
On June 20 2015 14:16 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 12:26 VayneAuthority wrote:
im not even going to respond to that when KSC didnt even vote GB yesterday. just LOL Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 12:27 VayneAuthority wrote:
if you guys are gonna call me a lurker at least know what you're talking about eh? I actually read the game.
On June 20 2015 22:31 Breshke wrote:
ruxxar can you pls pls do shockey analysis.
On June 22 2015 06:24 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 06:19 GlowingBear wrote:On June 22 2015 06:16 Breshke wrote:
Why did you check mig? Because if he was Mafia, bugs should be too Why? Also I'm not saying a check on me would be omgus and I also think checking someone who was under heavy suspicion not great because of the possibility of a framer but that's meh logic I'm not really buying this to be honest but could still see myself lynching Yamato today to see how it plays out
Kinda sounds like he's talking about bugs as if he could be a save? Dunno..
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You realise the whole point of the JK is to save people right and later in the game maybe roleblock offensively? I don't think mafia would look out for people scum reading the person, especially if they originally thought that person was towny enough to save. If anything it would be the opposite.
You seem to post that the person who did the saving knows the alignment of bugs/ruxxar. Also mafia would know if he was saved because one of their kp would be missing on the target they chose (in this case bugs/ruxxar). I think it's a pretty futile attempt looking at why mafia kill people.
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On June 30 2015 12:36 ruXxar wrote:
If it was up to me I'd lynch them both today.
I lean slightly more towards onegu for total lack of rational thought process.
Like he makes some weird ass statements I don't understand at all.
Like saying you have TMI.
Saying you claimed red.
Saying he voted on gb because he wanted to consolidate.
Tunneling you all game for no fucking reason, just because he has a personal vendetta against you?
Then when you are actually green checked he makes up hilariously unlikely scenarios to fit his world.
Not one solid read out of that guy and afk all game?
Fuck that, I'm done.
Fake anger get em
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