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On June 30 2015 13:18 NydusHerMain wrote:
So we know for a fact that bugs was jailed on n1. If bugs is mafia, and his KP was roleblocked, mafia will be looking for a roleblocker to kill the next night. So, they will be specifically looking for people who thinks bugs is mafia because they think that the roleblocker roleblocked him because they thought he was scummy. This means that if the night kills are people who were specifically reading bugs scummy before they died, especially more on day 2 than day 1 since they'd have confirmation that roleblocking bugs resulted in reduction in kp, it makes bugs more likely to be mafia.
If bugs was actually saved, then mafia doesn't know that bugs was jailed, but could also think he was medic saved so mafia night kills will be specifically hunting for someone who town reads bugs or tries to avoid him like the plague (readswise) because that would be looking for someone who thinks that they got a confirmed town. However, if bugs is mafia and his kp got blocked, they might also think that it was a jailer and consequently, could also hunt for someone who town reads bugs because they might think that it's a jailer who could think that bugs was saved.
Basically, if the people who died were scum reading bugs, he's more likely to be scum, if the people who died were town reading bugs, it doesn't really mean anything but slightly leans him towards town because it's riskier for mafia to kill people town reading him even if it's a role kill.
Thank you for the explanation 
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Onegu, why do you only show up when you're actually under suspicion?
You show 0 interest in wanting to solve the game, only show up to throw out one liners and don't even bother reading the thread.
On June 30 2015 13:52 Onegu wrote:
Like why me over Shockky? Like he is faking anger at this point to get a mislynch in lylo
What is there to fake?
Your play is honestly pissing me off.
You're shitting on everyone elses time when you decide not to play the game.
Did you sign up just to stay afk until the end?
On June 30 2015 14:42 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2015 13:57 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 30 2015 13:55 Onegu wrote:On June 30 2015 13:53 NydusHerMain wrote:
Yeah I'm sorry... I honestly just don't trust my reads that much because I was totally okay with all the mislynches so far because I thought they were scum... so I'm just trying to find some associative read >.> ... ??? You are trying to find associative reads now in lylo when only one scum have flipped? Have you read the thread? O.o Nope not all of it yet...
You don't even read the thread
On June 30 2015 14:44 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2015 06:58 ruXxar wrote:On June 29 2015 10:55 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 29 2015 10:51 Holyflare wrote:On June 29 2015 10:44 NydusHerMain wrote:
She wanted to lynch MiG at the end and she wanted to lynch you quickly after. It's weird for her to finally die when she's been leading a shit ton of mislynches? Also, I'm not mafia so I'm just going to defend myself like you've been doing for the last couple of days. "ermahgerd I'm not mafia so like ya'll are dum dums"
Anyways, check MiG's filter peeps. Damdred is like his tunnelled scum for a while. I don't think Damdred should be on the table today for lynching. He also only talks about HF when asked to by RS. This bolded is quite a misrepresentation. I haven't been defending myself like you're insinuating and I find it unlikely that you can say that having said that you are reading the thread. On June 25 2015 02:51 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2015 02:34 Holyflare wrote:
why would you not read everything i wrote before coming to a conclusion? i think the things i've written are pretty damning anyway, for GB and Damdred at least You looked bored  so I gave a quick post before reading On June 25 2015 08:25 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2015 08:22 Holyflare wrote:
problem is i don't flip red I think that you trying so hard near the end makes you leaning town. What I'm thinking is that if MiG made that claim, he had to have been talking to his partners about it in mafia QT. Why would you be trying so hard as if you're the lynch if you're scum partners with MiG and know that he's about to fake claim? It's kinda awkward. I dunno. We'll see later on since this game is about to get into crazy LyLo and I'm unconfirmed so gonna make it til the end (hopefully). I find it hard how you can say the first bolded after making your stance on me clear the day before (above) Did you run out of mislynches to push? Nothing has changed since then other than rsoultin relentlessly tunneling on situations that didn't make sense and me correcting her. If you'd like a thorough explanation on why I'll be happy to provide it. Keep on keeping on with your scummy stance changes for no reason though! What the fuck? You think that if I'm mafia, you're the mislynch I try to land on? You think I'm going to run out of scummy people? Dude, if I'm scum, at least one of damdred, onegu, shockey is town. I can push damdred on inactivity, I can push onegu on inactivity and his LS push, I can push shockey for being scummy overall. Oh wait, I have been pushing on almost all of them this entire game. Everyone who's alive today? I've pushed on except for you until now. I also agree with nydus point here. Right now the absolutely easiest mislynch is Onegu(imo).
If I was mafia and onegu was town I would make her my #1 target right now and push her very hard.This is sort of a dilemma because he actually does appear really scummy and I don't agree with the way he plays or the logic he uses. However, since no one else seems to be shitting down onegu's throat, it makes me more inclined to believe he's actually mafia(why wouldn't mafia be all over a target that is such an easy mislynch?!) In my last game I got fooled by the "too obvious to be scum" idea in that I felt a certain person made such obviously scummy moves that no one would make it so obvious that they are scum. It burned me in the end when it turned out the person was scum all along and I hard defended him as town. I learned from this and at this point "too scummy to be scum" is not a valid excuse for me to not push someone. LOL, who is he voting for town onegu
And you didn't even read the whole quote here where I even explained WHY I'm voting for you.
I want to vote you because you're playing like scum, and at this point your whole attitude towards the game is terrible.
Like, just read the posts I made against you and respond to what I'm actually saying.
Explain your actions in a logical manner that makes your line of thought clear to everyone.
On June 30 2015 15:38 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2015 03:10 Damdred wrote:
Its a really tough game honestly, I'm like 99.9% sure that LS is town in this situation and I sort of hope hes scum just so I can be proud of him changing his meta in a way I didn't think he could.
FId is confirmed town
I know i'm town obviously.
This leaves me in a world where all I have to do is find town in Onegu, Shockey, HF, NHM and Rux. There are two towns and three mafia in this group.
Content wise HF could look ok, red check withstanding I still want some more of his thoughts around the GB lynch.
Oneg has 0 real content voted with his mafia read in lynching GB which was headed by confirmed mafia mig.
Shockey is sort of weird.
Rux could of carried a shot and got blocked or been shot, he seem to be trying to solve the game though that is true, but isn't really evolving his reads in a way.
Its a sort of a hard game at thi sjuncture though Yeah and I voted with my tunneled mafia read you in Boring. So I have found the scum team. RuXxar, Shockky, Damdred. I think I get lynched now though for dropping my LS scum read...
Suddenly you're accusing damdred out of thin air for what? He made 1 comment about you?
You're so defensive about getting accused and unwilling to actually defend yourself with logical arguments.
Instead resorting to OMGUS and making up wild scenarios that fit your world where LS is scum.
You don't even bother to show up if you're not in danger.
It's not hard to substantiate your claims if you actually have a REASON for doing so.
How do you expect me to ever trust you as town when you give me NOTHING to work with.
On June 30 2015 15:42 Onegu wrote:
ruXxar because all game he has been attempting to make players look worse than they actually are, and now wanting to PLynch me in Lylo after calling me the easiest mislynch.
Trying to make people look worse?
You said this right after I joined the game.
Please explain how I tried to make people look worse?
At least I'm fucking trying to play the game and do shit, unlike you.
And yeah I want to lynch you right now and if you actually READ the thread and what I've said about you,
you wouldn't have a problem understanding WHY I'm voting for you.
And if you still don't understand, then FUCKING ASK?!!!!
How hard is that?!!!!
Instead you show up with your bs "Onegu rule rekt" crap and 0 reasons for anything.
Yeah, I'm not making the same mistake as my last game.
I want you dead.
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Next up: my case on shockey.
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Ruxx - I think you're town here. I was in the last game with Onegu and he played exactly the same as he has here (more or less). I wanted to lynch him at lylo too, but I realised (as you did) that we shouldn't end this game on a coin flip. If he's town, which I think he is, then he'll start giving a shit once it gets much closer to the end.
Next game I say we policy lynch him at the start. But this game, I don't think that's the play.
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This is my analysis of Shockey's vote switching day 1:
Vote switching day 1
+ Show Spoiler +Ok, so this makes no sense at all to me: Shockey is pushing LS early day 1 due to his blue claim. Suddenly he wants to lynch rsoultin, but isn't scumreading rsoultin. On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. Then he makes his list post, notice the people not on it: On June 19 2015 01:50 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:22 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. that's cool. you once made a terrible list post a couple hours into the day and it was terrible. can you do that again but make it less terrible this time? thanks. I will post my list in the morning. Going to let the posts rack up a bit more. I want to see others thoughts before I finalize it for day 1. town: nhm - nhm's posting just reads town motivated, but he probably will drop to town lean due to his inactivity. ritoky - I like your posting style from the start, it probably rubs off the wrong way to certain people, but I found it easy to be able to communicate with you town lean: breshke - He really comes off as my highest town lean atm, his posting is like the game before and he was town with me. damdred - my reasons before. rsoul - her post below put her into the town lean last night. Still wary because she talks about LS as if he can't be scum. scum lean: LS - Read filter, I gave quite a few good points on him. bugs - His case will come afterwards, but his protection of LS just seems weird + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I see I have been ninjaed.
Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died.
The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically.
GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA.
What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today? I'm down, what's weird is that you talk about GB being weird for jumping off the LS train, but you're pretty much also doing the same thing, but with a lot more content to it... lohen - based on thread and points brought up on him. He's new to the game, but still hasn't really posted much... Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:37 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:33 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Alright chops 4, btw what did you think of my push against LS and his responses to me? Also thoughts on rsoul? I agree with your points but not necessarily your conclusion. Because you seem to not regard the fact that he has done stupid claim shit like this as town on day 1 under no lynch pressure before. Your points aren't wrong, those are anti-town things and his responses to you are bleh at best. I learned from a recent Obs game that rsoul is an easy read for me in the late game. The problem is she shoots me as scum early in games and I shoot her as scum early in games so neither one of us ever gets there is we are opposing alignments. She is town for now cuz she seems interested in solving the game; will re-evaluate later. Except I expect after my outburst I am gonna get the HF treatment tonight. But what makes it the same as his previous claims? And I mentioned to him that it's easy to change meta, what are your thoughts on that? Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:40 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 14:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GB give me your real thoughts on myself and LS, also what did you think of my push against LS? you were one of the few that I quoted. I don't remember it. I'll need to read your filter again. I think you're scum based on imperfect meta. I remember being on your skin last game and you kept being very... how could I say... cool headed? And I'm not actually seeing this here. LS has 8 pages of filter and I'm not lynching anyone like that day1 Did you ever read my filter? And why do you base games on largest filters? I don't get it, I have a small filter and I'm pro town. How does a large filter benefit town when trying to make cases on scum? Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:32 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. oh i actually thought this was directed at rit lol >< dude, you're going to have to get over the fact that i'm ridiculously involved in threads. there's a method to the madness, and maybe it's not the best for town i'll admit but it somehow works best for me and regardless scum kills me frequently enough that apparently they don't like it either not really gonna change just cause people disapprove (especially since i doubt i can xP)if you read my filter, really read it, you will find what everyone finds and namely that is there's a ton more content than meets the eye  if all you've got is me and ls that's bad for you cause you're probably not lynching scum lol Bolded the necessary points so you can start understanding. His next post is this: On June 19 2015 02:04 ShoCkeyy wrote:
BF's is fucking weird, I'll admit that. He keeps saying he'll be back, he's going to give reads, but nothing comes out other than attacking Holyflare, but it's not enough to make me change my mind on my LS push.
GB is still null for me, still hasn't read my filter and given me a response, if it keeps going ignored, he's just going to keep dropping into my scum lean. Followed up by these 2: On June 19 2015 05:42 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GB can you stop completely ignoring my questions and stop ignoring the read I asked to do of me? And don't tell me it's because I have a small filter (wtf kind of logic is that). Tell me why I shouldn't vote for you? On June 19 2015 06:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Ok this is twice I've been ignored. Just going to park my vote here until 10mins before lynch time. Let's see what happens.
##unvote
##vote GlowingBear So instead of actually pursuing the scumreads on his list. He ended up voting on GB for what? Being ignored? But wait, we're not done yet: On a whim, he suddenly switches to Boxerfred! Why? On June 19 2015 06:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 06:53 KelsierSC wrote:
you asked him to read your filter..well he has been pretty fucking busy with other people
you have had this weird fake rage reaction like "well you are ignoring me so im going to pressure vote you..." in a situation that gets him lynched...it makes no fucking sense. Alright fine, let's see how this goes. ##unvote
##vote Boxerfred So wait, why exactly did you switch to BF? Nowhere do you mention these reasons before the flip. It's easy to make up facts after hand to support your actions. On June 19 2015 09:26 ShoCkeyy wrote:Sorry guys, was driving/eating dinner, going to catch up. I saw BF flipped town. So brings me back to this: Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 06:27 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 06:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Ok this is twice I've been ignored. Just going to park my vote here until 10mins before lynch time. Let's see what happens.
##unvote
##vote GlowingBear like this is really fucking weird You bitch about me switching to GB, then now bitch about me switching off, which one did you want? I switched to GB due to reasons mentioned. I would of stayed there, but BF's filter was scummy too. BF disappears before vote ended while GB kept defending himself, which made me second guess the vote and I switched to BF. So wait, the reason you ACTUALLY switched to BF was because you believed in your "scumread" GB's reasons? On June 20 2015 01:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:Just wanted to throw this out there, GB you've been saying I'm scum since the beginning in like in every game we have played together, you constantly attack me just cause. You don't even have a real reason as to why I am scum this game, you just say I am. Now I want you to think about the logic behind my vote switch. You say that the game is based on the biggest filter which I repeatedly asked you to give me a good explanation here and quite multiple times. "Did you ever read my filter? And why do you base games on largest filters? I don't get it, I have a small filter and I'm pro town. How does a large filter benefit town when trying to make cases on scum?"I need you to realize, I had the voting power to either lynch you or BF. I lynched BF because I based my response out of your stupid thought of having the biggest filter to not lynch D1 and his slight scum posts but what happened? We lynched a town, if you were pro town, why did you switch to me, the "new" lynch train? Why didn't you just stay on LS or switch to BF from the get go? Why were you second guessing who to vote? As soon as I voted you, you instantly switched to me, then I switch off you switched off.
More on his reason for vote switching day 1:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2015 00:52 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2015 00:46 Holyflare wrote:
plz just do this again in like a small bullet pointed summary
why did you think gb was town, more so than bf?
1) I associated his way of playing the game which is basing it on the biggest filter - didn't work out too well On June 21 2015 00:58 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2015 00:54 Holyflare wrote:
what do you mean in point 1? don't quite understand it, you didn't think he was mafia because he had a big filter? is that the only reason? No, I never said I didn't think he was mafia when I vote switched. I gave him the benefit of the doubt due to meta. He himself claims that he doesn't like lynching the biggest filters on D1. So I tried what he normally does and it didn't work out well... Seems like an easy way to throw away responsibility for your voting. From the adamant way you didn't believe that the longest filter meant anything, I don't see why you would actually use that reason for switching your vote. On June 17 2015 22:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Alright going to try and get this going here. I don't get why people care so much about activity? It's been known since this forum even started that people lurk and will always lurk. I can't be posting all day and night as some others here cause I own four businesses + consult major businesses. I use mafia as a past time and can post when I have free time. If you like my activity great, if you don't sucks for you. At least I try and help the town win rather than post non-sense and spam up the thread On June 17 2015 23:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:
You call that spam, but people say "I don't like shockeyy's activity". Well that's why my activity sucks in every game I play. Then you call that spam? But fail to look at people like rsoul, who already have 7+ pages of filter and most of it is crap. To me that seems like they're trying to hide their mistakes with constant posting. Just read the fight between her and wbg. She completely ignores him until the lynch train happened. It just seems odd. On June 19 2015 02:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:
What? Why? I based my day 1 on whole thread and the interactions that happen between players. How can you see what's going on if you're only doing the biggest filters. On June 18 2015 13:26 ShoCkeyy wrote:This is why you have the biggest filter in the game. You just spam bullshit.
The actual reason for voting GB:
+ Show Spoiler +Oh, so it was not because you were being ignored? Okay... On June 21 2015 06:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2015 02:38 GlowingBear wrote:
I woke up
Shockey, answer me before I go diving: when did the big filter thing crossed your mind? When I voted for you which was the reason for me coming back 10mins before vote ended to change my vote. I wanted to see how you handled the pressure vs how Boxerfred did, boxer didn't come back and I gave you the benefit of the doubt due to D1 big filter that you go by, he also had scummier posts in my eyes.
His vote switching day 1 seems all over place.
He doesn't stick to 1 story and tries to push the blame onto GB by saying he followed GB's "stupid idea" of not voting for the longest filter.
Besides, you didn't even believe in that argument for all of day 1?!
How can you come back after the vote and claim that you actually believed in it.
Every time you get asked about it, you change your story.
I can't see a clear line of thinking from A to B to C.
It's such a defensive and "cover all my bases" stance, that It strengthens my scumread on shockey.
And here's the best part, I almost can't believe this:
On June 25 2015 11:57 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 11:53 GlowingBear wrote:
townies that mislynched me, know that I will send PM's to you each day, for 365 days after endgame, reminding you how bad you are. Mark my words. The North remembers. I'm sorry GB, I help save you day 1 - but business called for day 3 :\ Next game! On June 25 2015 20:49 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I was being literal when I said business called. I was in a full day meeting which killed any time I had to actually post anything and will do the same today. This will be my last and final post until the weekend when I actually have time to read, but at this point, you guys are just terrible. If it wasn't for me day 1 lynched our DT would of been dead, the day I can't be around to help defend our DT you noobs go and lynch him.
Yeah.. no.
I want this guy dead too.
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On June 30 2015 21:41 Fidei86 wrote:
Ruxx - I think you're town here. I was in the last game with Onegu and he played exactly the same as he has here (more or less). I wanted to lynch him at lylo too, but I realised (as you did) that we shouldn't end this game on a coin flip. If he's town, which I think he is, then he'll start giving a shit once it gets much closer to the end.
Next game I say we policy lynch him at the start. But this game, I don't think that's the play.
I can't buy this excuse.
Onegu is playing EXACTLY like Sulfurus(a scum in my last game).
That was my newbie game(first game) and it was Sulfurus second game I think.
Well turned out people actually went and read Sulfurus meta from his first game.
And he played EXACTLY the same way in both games.
Guess what, in the first game he was actually town, so it only strengthened my belief in him being "shitty town".
But you know what, that was his plan all along.
He was emulating his town meta to throw people off.
I bought into it like the fool I was.
I'm not going to base my reads on meta. I'm going to base it on what they do in the game.
And in this game, onegu is playing like scum.
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On June 30 2015 21:41 Fidei86 wrote:
Ruxx - I think you're town here. I was in the last game with Onegu and he played exactly the same as he has here (more or less). I wanted to lynch him at lylo too, but I realised (as you did) that we shouldn't end this game on a coin flip. If he's town, which I think he is, then he'll start giving a shit once it gets much closer to the end.
Next game I say we policy lynch him at the start. But this game, I don't think that's the play.
At this point, I just want to see him make a defence of himself that actually makes me believe he is town.
If he truly is town, he needs to light a fire under his ass and start explaining.
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On June 30 2015 21:41 Fidei86 wrote:
Ruxx - I think you're town here. I was in the last game with Onegu and he played exactly the same as he has here (more or less). I wanted to lynch him at lylo too, but I realised (as you did) that we shouldn't end this game on a coin flip. If he's town, which I think he is, then he'll start giving a shit once it gets much closer to the end.
Next game I say we policy lynch him at the start. But this game, I don't think that's the play.
Tell me your thoughts on how you think we should approach this fidei.
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On June 30 2015 21:41 Fidei86 wrote:
Ruxx - I think you're town here. I was in the last game with Onegu and he played exactly the same as he has here (more or less). I wanted to lynch him at lylo too, but I realised (as you did) that we shouldn't end this game on a coin flip. If he's town, which I think he is, then he'll start giving a shit once it gets much closer to the end.
Next game I say we policy lynch him at the start. But this game, I don't think that's the play.
The only reason you want to lynch me is the red check and you think everyone is deflecting off of me and a lot of people are calling me town. You know what that means? That I'm overwhelmingly likely to be town.
If you think I'm mafia you have to explain away the mig motive that i posted last page where he outs 2 mafia for 1 potential mislynch instead of the far more likely scenario of 2 solid mislynches.
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That's not how I read what happened. GB came out and said he had a red check on you and an inference check on Mig. Mig wasn't in any way "outing" you when he spoke out later on - you were already in the firing line. What Mig did eventually led to us ML'ing the cop, which surely has to be worth it from a mafia perspective (the votes on Mig and you split, as you'll recall).
@Ruxx I say we lynch HF, then Damdred, and then whoever's left can decide whether or not the last lynch is Shockkey or Onegu. I'll be long dead by that point anyway.
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On June 30 2015 23:19 Fidei86 wrote:
That's not how I read what happened. GB came out and said he had a red check on you and an inference check on Mig. Mig wasn't in any way "outing" you when he spoke out later on - you were already in the firing line. What Mig did eventually led to us ML'ing the cop, which surely has to be worth it from a mafia perspective (the votes on Mig and you split, as you'll recall).
@Ruxx I say we lynch HF, then Damdred, and then whoever's left can decide whether or not the last lynch is Shockkey or Onegu. I'll be long dead by that point anyway.
No, that's not what happened. GB was definitely saying we should switch to Mig. He even asked me to switch to Mig. I was not going to die that day (even though I wanted to). The only reason people wanted to lynch me was because they were not sure whether GB's check was real or not and lynching me would lead to the most information, you're even a mason with the person that was saying that so I have no idea how you can get the wrong end of the events on this one:
On June 25 2015 02:39 rsoultin wrote:
I really really have a problem with flipping someone I believe is town just for info
Eh, but I can see the lynch me argument now so we're not still here in mylo
Mig was going to die. If he dies it's -1 mafia. If GB dies it's "oh look GB was cop and so the red check was legit and mig is confirmed mafia, 2 free mafia!!!!" If Mig's cc fails then it's -2 mafia FOR 0 MISLYNCHES. That is not a worthwhile trade ever
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why on earth do you think that this is the likeliest case???????
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Because it's not actually what happened? What happened was that we ML'ed the cop. Mafia (as you will know, being one yourself) just want to delay out the game. The mafia then got the chance to NK the jailkeeper and rsoult (who was our best player left), rather than the one NK they would have had before Mig flipped. That's a HUGE win for the mafia.
And obviously Mig flipping doesn't doom you, since you're STILL here and I'm STILL having to convince everyone to lynch you.
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Put another way, Mig and you were both up shit creek. The CC created enough confusion for us to ML the cop, which means that, rather than lynching you or Mig (which, as you say, confirms you both as mafia and GB as the cop), we MLed the cop and gave the mafia an extra night kill.
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On June 30 2015 23:38 Fidei86 wrote:
Because it's not actually what happened? What happened was that we ML'ed the cop. Mafia (as you will know, being one yourself) just want to delay out the game. The mafia then got the chance to NK the jailkeeper and rsoult (who was our best player left), rather than the one NK they would have had before Mig flipped. That's a HUGE win for the mafia.
And obviously Mig flipping doesn't doom you, since you're STILL here and I'm STILL having to convince everyone to lynch you.
how is that not what happened!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! I'm STILL here because we lynched the 100% mafia cc'd mig, no other reason and now you want to lynch me for the red check WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING. Mig ccing gb and revealing gb to be the actual cop stops people doubting whether gb is the cop or not and makes them focus solely on the red check. Mig's "play" to get the cop lynched and survived is THE LEAST effective route to have taken ever if we're both mafia!??!?!
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like i don't get it, absolutely NOTHING in this game points to me being mafia. The nk's make me very likely not mafia, the lynches make me very likely not mafia. Mafia's own play makes me not very likely mafia, my own play makes me so incredibly town it actually hurts that you won't even compare my mafia games to my town games. The ONLY reason you are lynching me is because of the red check which is the SHITTEST play you can possibly imagine.
Your town reads all think i'm town but the red check. Onegu and Damdred think I am town even with the red check. LS thinks i'm town even with the red check. All of these people have experience playing with me and they say you are wrong. Rsoultin even thought I was town the ENTIRE game. The only reason that you want to lynch me now is because you are scared of being wrong and are being stubborn but the fact of the matter is that lynching me now is the WORST move you can possibly do.
I absolutely destroy mafia in lylo's and that will continue to happen this game if i'm left alive another cycle or two. You are the CONFIRMED town and you are doing practically shit all to evaluate or re-evaluate people for their play. WIFOM is not an effective tool to play the game and you will lose more than you win playing like that. Mafia are very very likely to kill me if i shit town even more than i am and you are the only person to not realise that.
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On June 30 2015 22:04 ruXxar wrote:This is my analysis of Shockey's vote switching day 1: Vote switching day 1+ Show Spoiler +Ok, so this makes no sense at all to me: Shockey is pushing LS early day 1 due to his blue claim. Suddenly he wants to lynch rsoultin, but isn't scumreading rsoultin. On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. Then he makes his list post, notice the people not on it: On June 19 2015 01:50 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:22 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. that's cool. you once made a terrible list post a couple hours into the day and it was terrible. can you do that again but make it less terrible this time? thanks. I will post my list in the morning. Going to let the posts rack up a bit more. I want to see others thoughts before I finalize it for day 1. town: nhm - nhm's posting just reads town motivated, but he probably will drop to town lean due to his inactivity. ritoky - I like your posting style from the start, it probably rubs off the wrong way to certain people, but I found it easy to be able to communicate with you town lean: breshke - He really comes off as my highest town lean atm, his posting is like the game before and he was town with me. damdred - my reasons before. rsoul - her post below put her into the town lean last night. Still wary because she talks about LS as if he can't be scum. scum lean: LS - Read filter, I gave quite a few good points on him. bugs - His case will come afterwards, but his protection of LS just seems weird + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I see I have been ninjaed.
Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died.
The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically.
GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA.
What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today? I'm down, what's weird is that you talk about GB being weird for jumping off the LS train, but you're pretty much also doing the same thing, but with a lot more content to it... lohen - based on thread and points brought up on him. He's new to the game, but still hasn't really posted much... Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:37 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:33 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Alright chops 4, btw what did you think of my push against LS and his responses to me? Also thoughts on rsoul? I agree with your points but not necessarily your conclusion. Because you seem to not regard the fact that he has done stupid claim shit like this as town on day 1 under no lynch pressure before. Your points aren't wrong, those are anti-town things and his responses to you are bleh at best. I learned from a recent Obs game that rsoul is an easy read for me in the late game. The problem is she shoots me as scum early in games and I shoot her as scum early in games so neither one of us ever gets there is we are opposing alignments. She is town for now cuz she seems interested in solving the game; will re-evaluate later. Except I expect after my outburst I am gonna get the HF treatment tonight. But what makes it the same as his previous claims? And I mentioned to him that it's easy to change meta, what are your thoughts on that? Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:40 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 14:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GB give me your real thoughts on myself and LS, also what did you think of my push against LS? you were one of the few that I quoted. I don't remember it. I'll need to read your filter again. I think you're scum based on imperfect meta. I remember being on your skin last game and you kept being very... how could I say... cool headed? And I'm not actually seeing this here. LS has 8 pages of filter and I'm not lynching anyone like that day1 Did you ever read my filter? And why do you base games on largest filters? I don't get it, I have a small filter and I'm pro town. How does a large filter benefit town when trying to make cases on scum? Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:32 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. oh i actually thought this was directed at rit lol >< dude, you're going to have to get over the fact that i'm ridiculously involved in threads. there's a method to the madness, and maybe it's not the best for town i'll admit but it somehow works best for me and regardless scum kills me frequently enough that apparently they don't like it either not really gonna change just cause people disapprove (especially since i doubt i can xP)if you read my filter, really read it, you will find what everyone finds and namely that is there's a ton more content than meets the eye if all you've got is me and ls that's bad for you cause you're probably not lynching scum lol Bolded the necessary points so you can start understanding. His next post is this: On June 19 2015 02:04 ShoCkeyy wrote:
BF's is fucking weird, I'll admit that. He keeps saying he'll be back, he's going to give reads, but nothing comes out other than attacking Holyflare, but it's not enough to make me change my mind on my LS push.
GB is still null for me, still hasn't read my filter and given me a response, if it keeps going ignored, he's just going to keep dropping into my scum lean. Followed up by these 2: On June 19 2015 05:42 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GB can you stop completely ignoring my questions and stop ignoring the read I asked to do of me? And don't tell me it's because I have a small filter (wtf kind of logic is that). Tell me why I shouldn't vote for you? On June 19 2015 06:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Ok this is twice I've been ignored. Just going to park my vote here until 10mins before lynch time. Let's see what happens.
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##vote GlowingBear So instead of actually pursuing the scumreads on his list. He ended up voting on GB for what? Being ignored? But wait, we're not done yet: On a whim, he suddenly switches to Boxerfred! Why? On June 19 2015 06:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 06:53 KelsierSC wrote:
you asked him to read your filter..well he has been pretty fucking busy with other people
you have had this weird fake rage reaction like "well you are ignoring me so im going to pressure vote you..." in a situation that gets him lynched...it makes no fucking sense. Alright fine, let's see how this goes. ##unvote
##vote Boxerfred So wait, why exactly did you switch to BF? Nowhere do you mention these reasons before the flip. It's easy to make up facts after hand to support your actions. On June 19 2015 09:26 ShoCkeyy wrote:Sorry guys, was driving/eating dinner, going to catch up. I saw BF flipped town. So brings me back to this: Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 06:27 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 06:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Ok this is twice I've been ignored. Just going to park my vote here until 10mins before lynch time. Let's see what happens.
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##vote GlowingBear like this is really fucking weird You bitch about me switching to GB, then now bitch about me switching off, which one did you want? I switched to GB due to reasons mentioned. I would of stayed there, but BF's filter was scummy too. BF disappears before vote ended while GB kept defending himself, which made me second guess the vote and I switched to BF. So wait, the reason you ACTUALLY switched to BF was because you believed in your "scumread" GB's reasons? On June 20 2015 01:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:Just wanted to throw this out there, GB you've been saying I'm scum since the beginning in like in every game we have played together, you constantly attack me just cause. You don't even have a real reason as to why I am scum this game, you just say I am. Now I want you to think about the logic behind my vote switch. You say that the game is based on the biggest filter which I repeatedly asked you to give me a good explanation here and quite multiple times. "Did you ever read my filter? And why do you base games on largest filters? I don't get it, I have a small filter and I'm pro town. How does a large filter benefit town when trying to make cases on scum?"I need you to realize, I had the voting power to either lynch you or BF. I lynched BF because I based my response out of your stupid thought of having the biggest filter to not lynch D1 and his slight scum posts but what happened? We lynched a town, if you were pro town, why did you switch to me, the "new" lynch train? Why didn't you just stay on LS or switch to BF from the get go? Why were you second guessing who to vote? As soon as I voted you, you instantly switched to me, then I switch off you switched off. On June 21 2015 00:52 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2015 00:46 Holyflare wrote:
plz just do this again in like a small bullet pointed summary
why did you think gb was town, more so than bf?
1) I associated his way of playing the game which is basing it on the biggest filter - didn't work out too well On June 21 2015 00:58 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2015 00:54 Holyflare wrote:
what do you mean in point 1? don't quite understand it, you didn't think he was mafia because he had a big filter? is that the only reason? No, I never said I didn't think he was mafia when I vote switched. I gave him the benefit of the doubt due to meta. He himself claims that he doesn't like lynching the biggest filters on D1. So I tried what he normally does and it didn't work out well... Seems like an easy way to throw away responsibility for your voting. From the adamant way you didn't believe that the longest filter meant anything, I don't see why you would actually use that reason for switching your vote. On June 17 2015 22:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Alright going to try and get this going here. I don't get why people care so much about activity? It's been known since this forum even started that people lurk and will always lurk. I can't be posting all day and night as some others here cause I own four businesses + consult major businesses. I use mafia as a past time and can post when I have free time. If you like my activity great, if you don't sucks for you. At least I try and help the town win rather than post non-sense and spam up the thread On June 17 2015 23:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:
You call that spam, but people say "I don't like shockeyy's activity". Well that's why my activity sucks in every game I play. Then you call that spam? But fail to look at people like rsoul, who already have 7+ pages of filter and most of it is crap. To me that seems like they're trying to hide their mistakes with constant posting. Just read the fight between her and wbg. She completely ignores him until the lynch train happened. It just seems odd. On June 19 2015 02:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:
What? Why? I based my day 1 on whole thread and the interactions that happen between players. How can you see what's going on if you're only doing the biggest filters. On June 18 2015 13:26 ShoCkeyy wrote:This is why you have the biggest filter in the game. You just spam bullshit. Oh, so it was not because you were being ignored? Okay... On June 21 2015 06:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2015 02:38 GlowingBear wrote:
I woke up
Shockey, answer me before I go diving: when did the big filter thing crossed your mind? When I voted for you which was the reason for me coming back 10mins before vote ended to change my vote. I wanted to see how you handled the pressure vs how Boxerfred did, boxer didn't come back and I gave you the benefit of the doubt due to D1 big filter that you go by, he also had scummier posts in my eyes. His vote switching day 1 seems all over place. He doesn't stick to 1 story and tries to push the blame onto GB by saying he followed GB's "stupid idea" of not voting for the longest filter. Besides, you didn't even believe in that argument for all of day 1?! How can you come back after the vote and claim that you actually believed in it. Every time you get asked about it, you change your story. I can't see a clear line of thinking from A to B to C. It's such a defensive and "cover all my bases" stance, that It strengthens my scumread on shockey. And here's the best part, I almost can't believe this: Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 11:57 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 25 2015 11:53 GlowingBear wrote:
townies that mislynched me, know that I will send PM's to you each day, for 365 days after endgame, reminding you how bad you are. Mark my words. The North remembers. I'm sorry GB, I help save you day 1 - but business called for day 3 :\ Next game! Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 20:49 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I was being literal when I said business called. I was in a full day meeting which killed any time I had to actually post anything and will do the same today. This will be my last and final post until the weekend when I actually have time to read, but at this point, you guys are just terrible. If it wasn't for me day 1 lynched our DT would of been dead, the day I can't be around to help defend our DT you noobs go and lynch him. Yeah.. no. I want this guy dead too.
It's easy to paint some one as mafia, but this is the best I've ever played as town and you're just shitting all over my game.
Here let me show you:
On June 23 2015 10:49 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2015 10:01 ruXxar wrote:
Something I noticed is that it's easy to put out analysis when you don't want to participate in the game, afraid of outing yourself.
I mean analysis is basically just selecting quotes from people, putting them in order and trying to read between the lines.
Not much chance of slipping up there as mafia.
It's much harder if you actually engange actively in conversation and get riled up.
[...] sorry ruxx ^^; this feels kinda dirty but it's the game that just finished...so it is what it is
Bam, you're now mafia at least in Rsoul's eyes and Rsoul if you're reading this, please post less... It made it very hard to find this quote...
But you know I why don't think your mafia? Cause of this:
On June 25 2015 06:48 VayneAuthority wrote:
Btw, ruxxar is confirmed town since I saved bugs/his slot n1
I'm not going to keep defending myself when I know I'm town and if I get mislynched it's game over. I rather continue looking for scum and put out better thoughts, which I have been doing - better than our current lurkers, cough onegu cough.
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Also you need to realize, if I was mafia, why would I save GB day one if I was mafia? He was able to figure out that Mig was mafia for day 4 lynch? Like please use logic. GB even knew I was town and that's cause we've played three games in a row already, he obviously knows my meta already - where LS keeps trying to push my lynch with no reasons behind it and also voted for GB even though Rsoul said not to. LS even says he can't figure out my meta, but it's obvious that I'm town.
Now let's look at Onegu who pushed LS up until Day 4.
On June 30 2015 15:38 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2015 03:10 Damdred wrote:
Its a really tough game honestly, I'm like 99.9% sure that LS is town in this situation and I sort of hope hes scum just so I can be proud of him changing his meta in a way I didn't think he could.
FId is confirmed town
I know i'm town obviously.
This leaves me in a world where all I have to do is find town in Onegu, Shockey, HF, NHM and Rux. There are two towns and three mafia in this group.
Content wise HF could look ok, red check withstanding I still want some more of his thoughts around the GB lynch.
Oneg has 0 real content voted with his mafia read in lynching GB which was headed by confirmed mafia mig.
Shockey is sort of weird.
Rux could of carried a shot and got blocked or been shot, he seem to be trying to solve the game though that is true, but isn't really evolving his reads in a way.
Its a sort of a hard game at thi sjuncture though Yeah and I voted with my tunneled mafia read you in Boring. So I have found the scum team. RuXxar, Shockky, Damdred. I think I get lynched now though for dropping my LS scum read...
He's obviously scum, he's pointing out obvious town is the scum team, like what kind of shit is that?
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On June 30 2015 23:19 Fidei86 wrote:
@Ruxx I say we lynch HF, then Damdred, and then whoever's left can decide whether or not the last lynch is Shockkey or Onegu. I'll be long dead by that point anyway.
Now that you mention it, damdred does seem to be deflecting off HF a bit.
But he does bring up a good point in that we do need to find the rest of the mafia as well.
I'm still torn on damdred.
I tried lynching HF, but apparently people aren't willing to vote for him.
I already presented all the arguments I can about scenarios and whatnot, so I don't have anything more to contribute on that front.
I'd be happy with either a HF, Onegu or Shockey lynch today.
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On June 30 2015 23:56 ShoCkeyy wrote:But you know I why don't think your mafia? Cause of this: Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 06:48 VayneAuthority wrote:
Btw, ruxxar is confirmed town since I saved bugs/his slot n1 I'm not going to keep defending myself when I know I'm town and if I get mislynched it's game over. I rather continue looking for scum and put out better thoughts, which I have been doing - better than our current lurkers, cough onegu cough.
You don't think I'm mafia because of this?
What if I was the shot carrier that got JK'd?
That's not conclusive evidence that I'm town.
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On June 27 2015 12:28 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote VayneAuthority
Just got caught up with thread, your filter is just riddled with scum and you just gave yourself away. Thanks for making it easier!
This is the only thing that makes me think shockey could be town.... From a mafia pov, I feel like with him being constantly afk from the thread, the majority of his information would come from mafia qt and he'd get confirmation bias as he reads through the thread afterwards. So I feel like with mafia probably laughing at getting cop mislynched and outing the jailer, and if RS died, probably a lot of discussion on whether or not to kill RS or JAILER, shockey would be flooded with "VA is the jailer" and would thus think that VA was confirmed town. Meh. I only said onegu was higher on the scum list than shockey because mig at least mentioned shockey as scum but otherwise he's legit higher on my scum list than onegu. I don't know how to feel LOL. Help me.
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