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Holyflare
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If you still don't believe it then you should listen to rsoultin's initial reads on me day 1 and 2 when she didn't get super stubborn and tunneled on wifom if you are so inclined. Holyflare - lol so...apparently not being able to play like i normally do and only getting snapshots of people's play is really hurting my ability to read the more spammy players like hf. this is not his scum play which is rather lackluster (at least to me) ... sorry! town, obviously | ||
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Holyflare
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On June 19 2015 08:55 KelsierSC wrote: Like tomorrow I'm going to build a little fort. Its going to have me,hf,ritoky and breshke. And I'm going to lock all the crazy outside of it. Were going to lynch ls/shockey, drink squash and play cards. Then once that's over we can figure out the game. But no one else is allowed in until then. On June 19 2015 08:11 ritoky wrote: bugs and shockeyy are mafia together. will say it again. LS's crap read flop on shockeyy makes me want to lynch him again. don't know why we didn't in the first place. hf is probably town regardless of gb's alignment. doctor protect him, and not me this time. damdred wifom me this, had you been here would your vote have stood? also mig might not be mafia cuz reasons. On June 22 2015 06:24 Breshke wrote: Why? Also I'm not saying a check on me would be omgus and I also think checking someone who was under heavy suspicion not great because of the possibility of a framer but that's meh logic I'm not really buying this to be honest but could still see myself lynching Yamato today to see how it plays out Since a lot of you seem to be saying that you like sheeping dead people's reads anyway, these are the people that were shot by mafia. You are assuming that A) I didn't shoot super obvious claimed mason's rsoul and fidei but instead shot people that were town reading me and scum reading gb?? (Also if you are saying ruxxar/bugs was town then i also would have shot another person town reading me and going after gb??) and on the next day I would have shot ritoky and breshke both of who were town reading me and going after gb's claim like it was still a fake claim. Now yeh, this is MASSIVE wifom I get it. If you discredit this post though you are hereby denying your future use of nk wifom to scum read me any further. | ||
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Damdred
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Let me be clear that I would much rather lynch Oneg today over HF, his lack of explanation regarding the vote on GB (his explanation as just consolidation) with his scum read LS makes me really want to lynch him, especially when scum mig could of been lynched instead in that situation I believe. I really don't want to get into the nk wifom yet, however it is a valid point that a lot of people who ere nk early WERE town reading you. While I don't think that this clears you from suspicion because these were the people who were actively trying to figure the game out rather than rely on other people, it is important there reads. | ||
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Holyflare
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NydusHerMain
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Holyflare
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On June 30 2015 05:14 NydusHerMain wrote: I'm suspecting that those were role bullets because they didn't know for sure that masons existed but at that point on, they KNEW there was a medic/roleblocker um any mafia that didn't know rsoultin and fidei were masons after day 1 is playing extremely poorly lol, she blindly defended him from everyone's scum reads all of that day but yeh, you could be correct about the read flips on day 2 | ||
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NydusHerMain
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1) if they were scum reading bugs, probably means that they thought it was a roleblocker meaning bugs would be mafia since if it was a town roleblocker they were hunting for, bugs is scum that carried kp 2) if they were town reading bugs, NAI because they could hunt for medic if bugs is saved or bugs could be roleblocked as mafia and still look for a jailer thinking that jailer will believe he is town | ||
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Holyflare
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ruXxar
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I'll respond to posts in order since day post. Stand by. | ||
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ruXxar
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On June 29 2015 08:00 LightningStrike wrote: Hmm this is a interesting post by VA regarding VA: So it seem like a paradox about himself regarding HF last Day Phase regarding how long HF stays alive if he(VA) was scum. He then asked us to decided if he(VA) is town or if HF is town. Just something interesting I had found while filter diving him. I asked him earlier to explain this earlier. He didn't. Presumably what he means is that he likes to keep HF around as scum when HF is town. I can't really tell. It doesn't mean much without VA explaining what he means. | ||
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ruXxar
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On June 29 2015 09:38 Holyflare wrote: ruxxar is a weird one that i can't quite determine but i think he's probably scum for all of the weird logic he's been using, it's kind of weird stuff like oh i think you're towny but red check totally impossible to get past! and then changing his stance when he was told to by damdred??? struck me as super weird How is my logic weird? I'm trying to win the game, not hand out brownie points for appearing towny. Yes it sucks that town people look scummier than you, doesn't mean they are scum, just means you are better at appearing towny than they are. Also I did not change my stance on you. | ||
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ruXxar
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On June 29 2015 10:19 NydusHerMain wrote: Here's why I want to lynch you regardless of my town read on you. Rs wanted to kill the fuck out of you next after mig and there was no reason for her to die over VA who could've potentially gotten a save on RS. If RS were alive today, she'd be gunning for you. If she was alive yesterday, she would be making a huge case against you. If I were scum and you're town, I nk in the order of VA and then Fidei, ride RS like a parapalegic in a wheelchair and try to get a ML on you. Towny as fuck or not, she was going after you and scum has no reason to kill her if she's pushing a town HF. Why shouldn't RS die over VA? VA hadn't outed the fact that he was jailkeeper at that point. I really like your point about keeping RS alive if HF is town and let her get the ML going. | ||
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ruXxar
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On June 30 2015 06:33 ruXxar wrote: Why shouldn't RS die over VA? VA hadn't outed the fact that he was jailkeeper at that point. I really like your point about keeping RS alive if HF is town and let her get the ML going. Scratch my first paragraph. I remembered wrong. | ||
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NydusHerMain
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On June 30 2015 06:33 ruXxar wrote: Why shouldn't RS die over VA? VA hadn't outed the fact that he was jailkeeper at that point. I really like your point about keeping RS alive if HF is town and let her get the ML going. VA had outted. This was the day where mig fake claimed to get gb mislynched. VA claimed jk and gave mig more validity to his claim? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On June 27 2015 06:31 ruXxar wrote: On June 27 2015 04:04 Holyflare wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 26 2015 23:12 ruXxar wrote: HF, I'd be happy if you'd read the post I made about you here, and responded to it. Take it all into consideration and try to imagine it from my point of view. The chance that you aren't mafia is so small that I can't see a reason to believe that you aren't. Of course you're going to say that you're town if you're mafia. Anything else would just lose you the game. Like tell me, if you were a betting man, would you put money on you being mafia or not? Your reasons are silly and tunneled. I am clearly a miller or framed, stop judging by scenarios and judge by my actual play! Where have i pushed mafia things? I've only pushed what i believe to be the case. Gb said he checked lightningstrike but town read him on n1. He then checks me when he said all of my mafia reads that i had been pushing were his mafia reads? Then mig reveals he's tracker. I believed the sensible option and was wrong. See how that works? The most obvious is not always the case. I was supremely tunneled on gb being mafia and my vote was already on gb before mig claimed tracker. Like you said. Mig claiming gets a free cop death or ends in his death anyway. Gb said he had to go to school and then mig claimed without the resistance. It's not hard to reason that mig took that chance. Onegu could be mafia anyway and he didn't "need" mafia to do it and i'm not sure why you say mafia must be on it when the majority of the wagon was town. You yourself even started to believe the claim, are you saying you are mafia too? None of your reasons point to me being mafia. If i'm a tunneled towny and see the person i call mafia all game promote the shittiest reads and checks with bad reasons amd then i see something to convince me I'm right what would i do in that situation? The exact same thing. + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2015 06:42 Holyflare wrote: it doesn't matter, i'll flip vt or miller and then you make sense of his claim later really don't think mafia would frame me in this case On June 24 2015 23:04 Holyflare wrote: like seriously this is mafia's thought process if you think i was framed and gb is town: "yeh gb is fake cop or whatever cz that mig check totally bad, who should we frame guys since he's not the cop? OH that guy that looks pretty towny and shit and will probably never ever get checked?????????" On June 25 2015 00:21 Holyflare wrote: If you believe mig is mafia and GB didn't get rb'd or killed because they thought he was fake claiming, then they would never ever in their life frame me since GB is the only one that would ever check me. On June 25 2015 01:27 Holyflare wrote: but this doesn't matter, they'll see my flip and go straight for you btw to everyone else, if he ever ever ever claims that i must be framed, do NOT believe that bull shit Clearly you were not framed. So the *only* reason you were redchecked is that you're a miller. I agree that this didn't make much sense. The only reason there was so many town people on that wagon was because VA outed himself. If VA didn't confirm that he went to bugs, I doubt very few town people would've actually switched to GB. I know I would never even have considered it if it wasn't for VA. There is *no way* that mig could've expected that "support" from VA. Hence he needed support from other mafioso to even have a shot. Otherwise he would've just let you die. I already showed you why mig wasn't in danger. ----- Everything else aside, you want me to take the 1/13 chance that you are the miller? That is a 8% chance. I'm not taking those odds. You've made several posts like these where you use extra knowledge that doesn't quite make sense. You declare that mafia must be on the wagon with Mig because mafia must need to support him. IF YOU BELIEVE THIS SCENARIO then it's almost IMPOSSIBLE for me to be mafia unless you think the mafia plan was to destroy 2 of their team. It's been laid out several times. You ignore all of this logic. You declare wild statements that mafia needed to do something but then never follow it up with what happens if i'm town or any other situation that could possibly happen. You ignore onegu being mafia (yes yes you scum read him at other points) but use the logic that mafia must have needed to support him to paint ME as mafia and NOT Onegu. It doesn't make a single bit of sense. You think i'm a good player, great, you think that I look towny and everyone has been town reading me but the only reason at the end of the day you think i'm mafia is because of a red check and THAT doesn't make sense when there is countless information to suggest the opposite. On June 28 2015 09:33 ruXxar wrote: Correct. I've heard multiple times that you are *the* best scum player on TL. It's not hard for me to imagine the best scum player on the site shitting town rainbows everywhere. You call the red-check arbitrary, but you can't just erase the fact that it happened. I'll give you props for playing well no matter what alignment you are. I'm not blaming you for being a good player. I'll be more pissed at the person we end up lynching if he turns out to be town, and he just didn't bother to actually play the game. On June 30 2015 06:23 ruXxar wrote: How is my logic weird? I'm trying to win the game, not hand out brownie points for appearing towny. Yes it sucks that town people look scummier than you, doesn't mean they are scum, just means you are better at appearing towny than they are. Also I did not change my stance on you. I don't believe that a person that wants to win the game like you claim would stick to the red check when it's been proven that: a) it doesn't make any sense for me to be mafia with Mig unless he decided to be a dick and kill his team mate for no reason b) it's been said a million times by people more experienced with my play that i'm town c) you've even suggested you would do other things than flat out believe i was mafia from a red check and have failed to do so: On June 28 2015 08:15 ruXxar wrote: Could you explain this sentence? I know that it's possible to be framed or miller, but still that's a pretty low chance. According to your logic I would be voting for Onegu / shockey. Most likely Onegu. Which wouldn't feel bad at all to me. I guess since there are 3 mafia left and we *have* to lynch correctly every day, we should go for the safest option first. If we get even 1 incorrectly we lose and the game is over. Then it's really up for discussion though what you would consider as the scummiest player. Can having a redcheck on you be considered scummy? I think it could be argued that it is, but it seems I'm pretty lonley in that view. On June 28 2015 10:48 ruXxar wrote: Sigh... the more everyone doubts the redcheck the less certain I become myself. If everyone has a different opinion than me, it's more likely that I'm in the wrong. You all have more experience than me, so maybe I'm reading the situation wrong. In the end it doesn't matter since we have to catch all 3 mafia anyway to win. I'll put HF away for a bit and try a different approach. I'll see if I can find any associations with mig now that he's flipped. -----------------------0 posts exploring any other possiblity in between ------------------------------- On June 29 2015 23:11 ruXxar wrote: ##Vote holyflare you sure look like someone trying to solve the game and not someone trying to push a mislynch on me! On June 30 2015 06:33 ruXxar wrote: Why shouldn't RS die over VA? VA hadn't outed the fact that he was jailkeeper at that point. I really like your point about keeping RS alive if HF is town and let her get the ML going. and I KNOW you can't believe this post (not to mention the timeline is wrong) if you think I am mafia at all. Kelsier/ritoky/breshke all looking at GB negatively and I nk'd them all as mafia but you don't bat an eyelid to that information but as soon as something implicates me in 0 ways (you know... you totally ignore the part where rsoultin was posting and va hasn't said shit all game) you jump on it like a hooker jumps on a guys dick for money. Also, you can't possibly believe what you say in the second point if you didn't think VA had outed as JK because rsoul was a claimed blue and playing the game, who else would die? You seem to be just grabbing anything that paints me in a scummy light and never letting go. | ||
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