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On June 29 2015 10:38 Holyflare wrote:
like i don't have to tell you how retarded it is to not be on a unanimous target regardless of what you think today
Being on a unanimous target is a sign that we're voting off town or mafia bussing their teammate, with the first being more likely than the second.
I don't like the feeling I get when a lynch goes through unanimously, unless there it's very clear that a target is going to be lynched.
Which is why it's also important to look for the people that are pushing in opposite directions and discern their motivation for doing so. (maybe they are trying to save their mafia buddy from the train ?).
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On June 24 2015 06:17 ruXxar wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 24 2015 06:03 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2015 05:53 Fidei86 wrote:
In this game I have the absolute luxury of being (1) confirmed town and (2) paired with someone who is clearly much smarter and better at the game and me, who I can sheep without doubt. So, yeah. I can wait for your response. -flicks- not true. i'm just opinionated lol >< being confirmed town is hella nice though okay let me break this down for people in an easy-to-follow format 1. We need to determine whether or not we believe Glowingbear's claim now as opposed to later. It's common sense, but if you're the real cop here and we're lynching GB's red check, you claim. 2. We need to determine whether or not we believe the red check is real. What I mean by this, is do we think Holyflare is actually scum? There is the potential for millers and a MAFIA FRAMER in the game, which means that GB's could be real but his results are still false. THE FLIP TO DETERMINE ALIGNMENT IS A BAD IDEA. SCUM CAN BUSS AND CLAIM A FAKE CHECK. THERE COULD BE A FRAMER. STOP BEING LAZY. Everyone needs to address these two questions separate of the check. Here's how I see it: This is the order of events: - GB claims DT. - GB claims greencheck on mig. - Night 1 ends. - GB does *not* die. This means that mig should be confirmed mafia since the mafia would KNOW the greencheck was false and not kill GB since they thought the claim was fake. This makes me think it's better to actually lynch mig first, since we have the strongest evidence for him being mafia. The check on HF could, as you said be either a framer or a miller, so it's better to go with the sure option first.
Until someone CC's I'll believe GB's claim. ##Vote mig
What changed from here to now? Lot's of evidence to suggest i'm town but now you need my mislynch because the poe is running out.
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On June 30 2015 06:43 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2015 10:38 Holyflare wrote:
like i don't have to tell you how retarded it is to not be on a unanimous target regardless of what you think today Being on a unanimous target is a sign that we're voting off town or mafia bussing their teammate, with the first being more likely than the second. I don't like the feeling I get when a lynch goes through unanimously, unless there it's very clear that a target is going to be lynched. Which is why it's also important to look for the people that are pushing in opposite directions and discern their motivation for doing so. (maybe they are trying to save their mafia buddy from the train ?).
If we're not voting unanimously and even one town votes on another town, mafia can swap all their votes at eod and we lose. That's why we need to pick one target
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At the end of the day, it's on Fidei to pick the final lynch because he's guaranteed town
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On June 29 2015 10:44 Holyflare wrote:
and I keep saying I won't get mislynched because I will simply not allow it to happen, I've only ever been mislynched once in 30 town games and it's quite apparent why when i'm pretty much universally town read despite having a red check on me
This only means that you have a lot of experience playing mafia and know what it means to play towny.
When you play up against people playing their 1st or second game, there's no wonder you'll appear more towny than them.
This doesn't prove your innocence.
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On June 29 2015 10:55 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2015 10:51 Holyflare wrote:On June 29 2015 10:44 NydusHerMain wrote:
She wanted to lynch MiG at the end and she wanted to lynch you quickly after. It's weird for her to finally die when she's been leading a shit ton of mislynches? Also, I'm not mafia so I'm just going to defend myself like you've been doing for the last couple of days. "ermahgerd I'm not mafia so like ya'll are dum dums"
Anyways, check MiG's filter peeps. Damdred is like his tunnelled scum for a while. I don't think Damdred should be on the table today for lynching. He also only talks about HF when asked to by RS. This bolded is quite a misrepresentation. I haven't been defending myself like you're insinuating and I find it unlikely that you can say that having said that you are reading the thread. On June 25 2015 02:51 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2015 02:34 Holyflare wrote:
why would you not read everything i wrote before coming to a conclusion? i think the things i've written are pretty damning anyway, for GB and Damdred at least You looked bored  so I gave a quick post before reading On June 25 2015 08:25 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2015 08:22 Holyflare wrote:
problem is i don't flip red I think that you trying so hard near the end makes you leaning town. What I'm thinking is that if MiG made that claim, he had to have been talking to his partners about it in mafia QT. Why would you be trying so hard as if you're the lynch if you're scum partners with MiG and know that he's about to fake claim? It's kinda awkward. I dunno. We'll see later on since this game is about to get into crazy LyLo and I'm unconfirmed so gonna make it til the end (hopefully). I find it hard how you can say the first bolded after making your stance on me clear the day before (above) Did you run out of mislynches to push? Nothing has changed since then other than rsoultin relentlessly tunneling on situations that didn't make sense and me correcting her. If you'd like a thorough explanation on why I'll be happy to provide it. Keep on keeping on with your scummy stance changes for no reason though! What the fuck? You think that if I'm mafia, you're the mislynch I try to land on? You think I'm going to run out of scummy people? Dude, if I'm scum, at least one of damdred, onegu, shockey is town. I can push damdred on inactivity, I can push onegu on inactivity and his LS push, I can push shockey for being scummy overall. Oh wait, I have been pushing on almost all of them this entire game. Everyone who's alive today? I've pushed on except for you until now.
I also agree with nydus point here.
Right now the absolutely easiest mislynch is Onegu(imo).
If I was mafia and onegu was town I would make her my #1 target right now and push her very hard.
This is sort of a dilemma because he actually does appear really scummy and I don't agree with the way he plays or the logic he uses.
However, since no one else seems to be shitting down onegu's throat, it makes me more inclined to believe he's actually mafia(why wouldn't mafia be all over a target that is such an easy mislynch?!)
In my last game I got fooled by the "too obvious to be scum" idea in that I felt a certain person made such obviously scummy moves that no one would make it so obvious that they are scum.
It burned me in the end when it turned out the person was scum all along and I hard defended him as town.
I learned from this and at this point "too scummy to be scum" is not a valid excuse for me to not push someone.
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On June 29 2015 11:04 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2015 10:13 Holyflare wrote:
talk to me about this ls crap you keep saying then, link the posts with tmi and explain why it's tmi Its in my filter. He knows there is a framer. He knows you were framed, he claimed being red saying that you are red.
"Knows" is a pretty serious word to use here.
Nowhere in LS filter does he say that he knows anything.
I don't understand where you keep getting these ideas from.
He didn't claim being red, he made up a scenario and explained what it entailed....
Here is the actual quote for those who missed it :
On June 26 2015 01:56 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2015 01:28 LightningStrike wrote:
Guys I think I got a Tinfoil Hat Theory that can easily happen revolving me and HF: I might be the Unaware Miller who got Framed and HF is 100% Scum.
Explanation: Because the majority of the people in the game thought I was scum Night 1 Scum if they have a Framer(Which I am assuming in this scenario for my theory) they would Frame me and hope a Cop(GB) will check and will return me as a red check. But instead GB ended up with a Green Check on me so if Mafia did Frame me then I would be a Miller and HF is 100% scum since I doubt they would put 2 Millers and a Framer plus maybe a GF in the same setup and I don't think scum would Frame HF at all since they are worse looking townies in this game that mafia could easily Frame so HF since he returned as a red check will be 100% scum because of that. Did ls just claim red?
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@Nyd I really don't think it's for me to choose the lynch. I mean, I am town, but I've been hopeless this game. I want to lynch HF because I don't think we'd ever live it down if we let someone argue us out of a red check. I agree that lynching him doesn't necessarily take us closer to victory, since we're still at mis-lynch/lose, but seeing peoples reactions to the accusation is still interesting.
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On June 30 2015 06:45 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2015 06:43 ruXxar wrote:On June 29 2015 10:38 Holyflare wrote:
like i don't have to tell you how retarded it is to not be on a unanimous target regardless of what you think today Being on a unanimous target is a sign that we're voting off town or mafia bussing their teammate, with the first being more likely than the second. I don't like the feeling I get when a lynch goes through unanimously, unless there it's very clear that a target is going to be lynched. Which is why it's also important to look for the people that are pushing in opposite directions and discern their motivation for doing so. (maybe they are trying to save their mafia buddy from the train ?). If we're not voting unanimously and even one town votes on another town, mafia can swap all their votes at eod and we lose. That's why we need to pick one target
if it was 4 v 3 that would be true. But its not
As long as town has a majority on mafia one dumb town can exist.
On June 30 2015 06:46 NydusHerMain wrote:
At the end of the day, it's on Fidei to pick the final lynch because he's guaranteed town
No, no its not.
On June 30 2015 06:58 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2015 10:55 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 29 2015 10:51 Holyflare wrote:On June 29 2015 10:44 NydusHerMain wrote:
She wanted to lynch MiG at the end and she wanted to lynch you quickly after. It's weird for her to finally die when she's been leading a shit ton of mislynches? Also, I'm not mafia so I'm just going to defend myself like you've been doing for the last couple of days. "ermahgerd I'm not mafia so like ya'll are dum dums"
Anyways, check MiG's filter peeps. Damdred is like his tunnelled scum for a while. I don't think Damdred should be on the table today for lynching. He also only talks about HF when asked to by RS. This bolded is quite a misrepresentation. I haven't been defending myself like you're insinuating and I find it unlikely that you can say that having said that you are reading the thread. On June 25 2015 02:51 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2015 02:34 Holyflare wrote:
why would you not read everything i wrote before coming to a conclusion? i think the things i've written are pretty damning anyway, for GB and Damdred at least You looked bored so I gave a quick post before reading On June 25 2015 08:25 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2015 08:22 Holyflare wrote:
problem is i don't flip red I think that you trying so hard near the end makes you leaning town. What I'm thinking is that if MiG made that claim, he had to have been talking to his partners about it in mafia QT. Why would you be trying so hard as if you're the lynch if you're scum partners with MiG and know that he's about to fake claim? It's kinda awkward. I dunno. We'll see later on since this game is about to get into crazy LyLo and I'm unconfirmed so gonna make it til the end (hopefully). I find it hard how you can say the first bolded after making your stance on me clear the day before (above) Did you run out of mislynches to push? Nothing has changed since then other than rsoultin relentlessly tunneling on situations that didn't make sense and me correcting her. If you'd like a thorough explanation on why I'll be happy to provide it. Keep on keeping on with your scummy stance changes for no reason though! What the fuck? You think that if I'm mafia, you're the mislynch I try to land on? You think I'm going to run out of scummy people? Dude, if I'm scum, at least one of damdred, onegu, shockey is town. I can push damdred on inactivity, I can push onegu on inactivity and his LS push, I can push shockey for being scummy overall. Oh wait, I have been pushing on almost all of them this entire game. Everyone who's alive today? I've pushed on except for you until now. I also agree with nydus point here. Right now the absolutely easiest mislynch is Onegu(imo).
If I was mafia and onegu was town I would make her my #1 target right now and push her very hard. This is sort of a dilemma because he actually does appear really scummy and I don't agree with the way he plays or the logic he uses. However, since no one else seems to be shitting down onegu's throat, it makes me more inclined to believe he's actually mafia(why wouldn't mafia be all over a target that is such an easy mislynch?!) In my last game I got fooled by the "too obvious to be scum" idea in that I felt a certain person made such obviously scummy moves that no one would make it so obvious that they are scum. It burned me in the end when it turned out the person was scum all along and I hard defended him as town. I learned from this and at this point "too scummy to be scum" is not a valid excuse for me to not push someone.
I think this is a weird way to phrase what you actually mean about onegu? It looks weird to me at least.
And whats your conclusion on all of this?
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On June 30 2015 04:04 Damdred wrote:
And at the same time, we have to ask ourselves why would mig go out of his way to claim get gb lynched and lynch himself.
There are only two answers at this point
1) Set up a mislynch on HF the next following day where a red check screwed up town and lost the game.
2) HF is the RB and is needed to block vayne so that the kill isn't blocked the next night.
If we believe option 2 then rux is more than likely not mafia at all.
Option one he still could be.
#1 I don't agree.
There's no way mig could've known that VA would out himself.
Without the claim by VA, I'm fairly certain it would've failed.
Why not just let HF die and get +1 townkill before he died himself?
Seems like a really dumb move to me.
#2 is possibility but it's sort of out there... what made you think of this?
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Like if there was one mafia left no frame had flipped and something like God father had already flipped I would say lynch hf with 100% right now. Maybe if godfather had already flipped, but it hasn't we don't know what the scum team is working for.
HOWEVER, we still are working with a three scum team and nobody is even trying to figure out who the other members are, they are trying to convince HF THAT HF IS SCUM!
This is possibly the most counter productive thing that we can do. Or pass off responsibility for a good lynch on confirmed town Fide.
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On June 30 2015 07:43 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2015 04:04 Damdred wrote:
And at the same time, we have to ask ourselves why would mig go out of his way to claim get gb lynched and lynch himself.
There are only two answers at this point
1) Set up a mislynch on HF the next following day where a red check screwed up town and lost the game.
2) HF is the RB and is needed to block vayne so that the kill isn't blocked the next night.
If we believe option 2 then rux is more than likely not mafia at all.
Option one he still could be. #1 I don't agree. There's no way mig could've known that VA would out himself. Without the claim by VA, I'm fairly certain it would've failed. Why not just let HF die and get +1 townkill before he died himself? Seems like a really dumb move to me. #2 is possibility but it's sort of out there... what made you think of this?
Ummmm I don't think you understand how #1 works. It doesn't revolve Vayne outing himself at all, however Scum knows that someone interacted in some way with Bugs night one. That's an added bonus.
And honestly, Mig was outed as mafia anyway in gbs world 100% anyway. Theres no way he should of lived through the night as the cop just pure disbelief of the claim and no reason to let him get another check anyway. And actually his claim was perfect to draw out the rb or jk (even though they knew it was a jk anyway).
And #2 happens all the time.
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On June 30 2015 05:40 NydusHerMain wrote:
Actually I think it has the chance to prove something.
1) if they were scum reading bugs, probably means that they thought it was a roleblocker meaning bugs would be mafia since if it was a town roleblocker they were hunting for, bugs is scum that carried kp
2) if they were town reading bugs, NAI because they could hunt for medic if bugs is saved or bugs could be roleblocked as mafia and still look for a jailer thinking that jailer will believe he is town
Can you ELI 5?
I have a hard time understand all the role stuff :<.
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On June 30 2015 06:42 Holyflare wrote:
You've made several posts like these where you use extra knowledge that doesn't quite make sense. You declare that mafia must be on the wagon with Mig because mafia must need to support him. IF YOU BELIEVE THIS SCENARIO then it's almost IMPOSSIBLE for me to be mafia unless you think the mafia plan was to destroy 2 of their team. It's been laid out several times. You ignore all of this logic. You declare wild statements that mafia needed to do something but then never follow it up with what happens if i'm town or any other situation that could possibly happen.
My logic has been really simple to follow and I've outlined it many times how I've been thinking, but I'll repeat it again since it seems I'm unable to make myself clear.
This is how my world aligns.
If you don't agree that's fine, but this is how I was thinking:
- You were getting lynched.
- Mig should be content with letting you die.
- Despite this mig fake claims against GB.
- IMO this is a stupid move, unless he has some confidence that he can take GB down.
- To take GB down he needs supportive votes or else he's just getting himself lynched. (VA claim notwithstanding).
And how would this make you look more scummy?
You already had a redcheck on you, you already were fighting for your life, and it's very understandable that a town person would do so in this position.
He did not put you in any more danger by claiming.
The only thing people have against you really is the redcheck. Not the fact that you voted for GB!
On June 30 2015 06:42 Holyflare wrote:
You ignore onegu being mafia (yes yes you scum read him at other points) but use the logic that mafia must have needed to support him to paint ME as mafia and NOT Onegu. It doesn't make a single bit of sense.
I really am not ignoring onegu, but it's really hard to argue with someone that doesn't reply or come up with new thoughts.
How do you have a discussion with someone that is afk all game? It's hard.
Like, why doesn't he come here and try to refute the points made against him?
It's frustrating because it only makes me scumread him more when he doesn't even defend himself.
It's exactly the same situation I had in my newbie game which I just played prior.
I really wanted to pressure a guy because he appeared scummy to everyone but me who thought he was "shitty town".
Turns out he was scum that was just afk half the time and gave nonsensical answers the rest of the time.
He acted exactly the same way that onegu is acting now, and I still thought it was "shitty town".
If onegu doesn't step it up soon and contribute to the discussion I can't read it any other way than confirmation of him being mafia.
This goes for everyone that's lurking btw.
On June 30 2015 06:42 Holyflare wrote:
I don't believe that a person that wants to win the game like you claim would stick to the red check when it's been proven that:
a) it doesn't make any sense for me to be mafia with Mig unless he decided to be a dick and kill his team mate for no reason
b) it's been said a million times by people more experienced with my play that i'm town
c) you've even suggested you would do other things than flat out believe i was mafia from a red check and have failed to do so:
a) Don't see how mig's claim hurts you at all, see above.
b) Okay, so I'm not allowed to have my own opinion(especially when those people could be mafia).
c) I am looking into other people, doesn't mean I've suddenly dropped you off the radar, it's just that people have such short filters it's like almost nothing to go on aside from what we've already discussed. We do have to find the rest of the mafia after all or we'll lose anyway.
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On June 30 2015 06:45 Holyflare wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 24 2015 06:17 ruXxar wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 24 2015 06:03 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2015 05:53 Fidei86 wrote:
In this game I have the absolute luxury of being (1) confirmed town and (2) paired with someone who is clearly much smarter and better at the game and me, who I can sheep without doubt. So, yeah. I can wait for your response. -flicks- not true. i'm just opinionated lol >< being confirmed town is hella nice though okay let me break this down for people in an easy-to-follow format 1. We need to determine whether or not we believe Glowingbear's claim now as opposed to later. It's common sense, but if you're the real cop here and we're lynching GB's red check, you claim. 2. We need to determine whether or not we believe the red check is real. What I mean by this, is do we think Holyflare is actually scum? There is the potential for millers and a MAFIA FRAMER in the game, which means that GB's could be real but his results are still false. THE FLIP TO DETERMINE ALIGNMENT IS A BAD IDEA. SCUM CAN BUSS AND CLAIM A FAKE CHECK. THERE COULD BE A FRAMER. STOP BEING LAZY. Everyone needs to address these two questions separate of the check. Here's how I see it: This is the order of events: - GB claims DT. - GB claims greencheck on mig. - Night 1 ends. - GB does *not* die. This means that mig should be confirmed mafia since the mafia would KNOW the greencheck was false and not kill GB since they thought the claim was fake. This makes me think it's better to actually lynch mig first, since we have the strongest evidence for him being mafia. The check on HF could, as you said be either a framer or a miller, so it's better to go with the sure option first.
Until someone CC's I'll believe GB's claim. ##Vote mig What changed from here to now? Lot's of evidence to suggest i'm town but now you need my mislynch because the poe is running out.
PoE is not running out, you're just the more likely scum in my eyes.
And the fact is that it's always better to lynch the more likely scumtarget first, because if it flips red you can look into associations from their play to find other likely scum targets.
So what did we gather from Migs filter now that he's flipped red?
Well, not very much.
I looked through his filter and I really couldn't find any strong connections.
Maybe I didn't look good enough, maybe I don't have enough experience to pick up on mafia ways of playing.
Doesn't mean that it's not there.
Nydus pointed out some things that may be worth looking into.
This is what sucks when you flip red lurkers. They say so little that you can't really draw many conclusions from their filter.
However, I'm not content just sitting on you until the day runs out, I want to find the other scum too.
I can't rest thinking, oh yeah I found 1 scum, let's figure the rest out tomorrow.
That's a terrible way to play when we're in such a tight situation.
So if you want to prove your innocence, once again, help us find scum.
That's the best way you can convince me at least that you're town.
My vote is parked on you atm, but it may change as the day unfolds.
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On June 30 2015 06:45 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2015 06:43 ruXxar wrote:On June 29 2015 10:38 Holyflare wrote:
like i don't have to tell you how retarded it is to not be on a unanimous target regardless of what you think today Being on a unanimous target is a sign that we're voting off town or mafia bussing their teammate, with the first being more likely than the second. I don't like the feeling I get when a lynch goes through unanimously, unless there it's very clear that a target is going to be lynched. Which is why it's also important to look for the people that are pushing in opposite directions and discern their motivation for doing so. (maybe they are trying to save their mafia buddy from the train ?). If we're not voting unanimously and even one town votes on another town, mafia can swap all their votes at eod and we lose. That's why we need to pick one target
Hmm.. didn't think of that. good point.
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Ok I am home. Will catch up in a bit.
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On June 30 2015 06:46 NydusHerMain wrote:
At the end of the day, it's on Fidei to pick the final lynch because he's guaranteed town
I strongly disagree.
Just because he's confirmed town doesn't mean that his reads are *better* than our reads.
We can be sure that his reads are *honest*, but not that they are necessarily better than everyone else's.
They could be just as wrong as the reads that every other town person has had so far.
That's why we've lynched so many town people up to this point.
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On June 30 2015 07:36 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2015 06:58 ruXxar wrote:On June 29 2015 10:55 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 29 2015 10:51 Holyflare wrote:On June 29 2015 10:44 NydusHerMain wrote:
She wanted to lynch MiG at the end and she wanted to lynch you quickly after. It's weird for her to finally die when she's been leading a shit ton of mislynches? Also, I'm not mafia so I'm just going to defend myself like you've been doing for the last couple of days. "ermahgerd I'm not mafia so like ya'll are dum dums"
Anyways, check MiG's filter peeps. Damdred is like his tunnelled scum for a while. I don't think Damdred should be on the table today for lynching. He also only talks about HF when asked to by RS. This bolded is quite a misrepresentation. I haven't been defending myself like you're insinuating and I find it unlikely that you can say that having said that you are reading the thread. On June 25 2015 02:51 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2015 02:34 Holyflare wrote:
why would you not read everything i wrote before coming to a conclusion? i think the things i've written are pretty damning anyway, for GB and Damdred at least You looked bored so I gave a quick post before reading On June 25 2015 08:25 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2015 08:22 Holyflare wrote:
problem is i don't flip red I think that you trying so hard near the end makes you leaning town. What I'm thinking is that if MiG made that claim, he had to have been talking to his partners about it in mafia QT. Why would you be trying so hard as if you're the lynch if you're scum partners with MiG and know that he's about to fake claim? It's kinda awkward. I dunno. We'll see later on since this game is about to get into crazy LyLo and I'm unconfirmed so gonna make it til the end (hopefully). I find it hard how you can say the first bolded after making your stance on me clear the day before (above) Did you run out of mislynches to push? Nothing has changed since then other than rsoultin relentlessly tunneling on situations that didn't make sense and me correcting her. If you'd like a thorough explanation on why I'll be happy to provide it. Keep on keeping on with your scummy stance changes for no reason though! What the fuck? You think that if I'm mafia, you're the mislynch I try to land on? You think I'm going to run out of scummy people? Dude, if I'm scum, at least one of damdred, onegu, shockey is town. I can push damdred on inactivity, I can push onegu on inactivity and his LS push, I can push shockey for being scummy overall. Oh wait, I have been pushing on almost all of them this entire game. Everyone who's alive today? I've pushed on except for you until now. I also agree with nydus point here. Right now the absolutely easiest mislynch is Onegu(imo).
If I was mafia and onegu was town I would make her my #1 target right now and push her very hard. This is sort of a dilemma because he actually does appear really scummy and I don't agree with the way he plays or the logic he uses. However, since no one else seems to be shitting down onegu's throat, it makes me more inclined to believe he's actually mafia(why wouldn't mafia be all over a target that is such an easy mislynch?!) In my last game I got fooled by the "too obvious to be scum" idea in that I felt a certain person made such obviously scummy moves that no one would make it so obvious that they are scum. It burned me in the end when it turned out the person was scum all along and I hard defended him as town. I learned from this and at this point "too scummy to be scum" is not a valid excuse for me to not push someone. I think this is a weird way to phrase what you actually mean about onegu? It looks weird to me at least. And whats your conclusion on all of this?
My conclusion is that it makes looks onegu look even worse than no one's trying really hard to get him lynched.
Or maybe the mafia is aware of this fact(not unlikely), and are not pushing onegu on purpose.
Too much WIFOM if I follow that line of thought, so I rather not.
Either way it doesn't excuse the fact that onegu looks scummy as hell to me.
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Day 5 Vote Count
Holyflare (2): ruXxar, Fidei86
Not voted (6): LightningStrike, NydusHerMain, Onegu, Holyflare, Damdred, ShoCkeyy
Clinging to the ledge, Holyflare hangs over the abyss.
Day 5 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
The voting thread is here.
Only votes in the voting thread will be counted.
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