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On June 09 2015 03:31 boxerfred wrote:
I have a pretty good idea who nacl is. By the way salty, who are you scum reads as of now?
Do share with the class!
I do not particularly know at this time since half of the players have disappeared. If I had to base it primarily from reactions and such that I remember it would be some variant of you/Chezinu/Fuba, possibly FecalFeast.
Fuba's post today left me most perplexed.
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that Slam post ---> replace
heh
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On June 08 2015 22:57 NaCl`y wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 22:53 fuba wrote:
Don't think I'm up for a bf lynch today. While his yamato association reads could be scum, it could also be newbie townie confidence. It would also seem strange for 2/3 of the scumteam to passively vote for each other for most of D1, exclusively. And, he's actually here, playing, which is more than can be said for half the thread, myself included.
I'm gonna have to think about who I want to lynch instead, though. His newbie game has walls of text of involvement. I don't think bussing is strange in the slightest either. Your post gives me massive hesitancy about your alignment though. Why are those things unlikely? VayneAuthority, chezinu, Alakaslam are all chronic afkers despite their alignments.
People having hesitancy about my alignment is the standard way of things, so I'm kinda glad we've returned to it. Was making me uncomfortable.
I haven't read his newbie game. Might do so tonight. But I don't really see the point in comparing this current game to his single previously played game. Speculating on how he might play town based off of his scum game is silly, and without having at least one of each, you can't even attempt to form some kind of meta read.
What I think is silly is light bussing pretty much immediately, and then remaining on that nearly the entire day. Admittedly, at the end, BF went balls to the wall against yamato and anyone not voting for him. As I said earlier, it could be TMI. Can't fault anyone for thinking that. But I see it as a town newbie, excited that his first scumread was getting lynched. He doesn't seem concerned with how the thread sees him (until he's actually called out on it). He seems genuine.
I would probably see it differently if it was someone who wasn't in their second game.
On June 08 2015 23:00 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 22:59 fuba wrote:
I will say that the scummiest thing about vane isn't even anything he did. In yamato's last game, he opened with an instant vote for VA. Basically a policy lynch. I think he could have done the same thing this game and not looked suspicious, but he didn't. Maybe because he didn't want to bus so early? *shrugs*
(At work for the next few hours) lol this is amazingly tenuous
Yeah, I never said it was anything more than that. It's pretty much all I can say about Vayne though.
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So fuba, you are telling me not to base his play off of his other game while making multiple assumptions about how he would play as an alignment? I don't find that very honest of you in the slightest. He is also not new to mafia, he has played before off site.
Your original read stated you don't think that he would play while people were afk if he was mafia so why ignore the fact that I propose the opposite for no reason whatsoever?
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Hey everyone. Just got home. Started catching up, I'm on page 10 and I'll have a few reads as soon as I can.
Don't like Mig or prplhz's entrances, and Fecalfeast tends to shitpost as both alignments so I'm going to consider his entrance NAI.
Salty/JAT looking town early on.
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no hurry, we're kinda on slow mo xD
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[refrains from talking about replacement]
chezinu is zzzzzzzzz come on defense thineself
Boxersteve is looking more frustrated with the pressure than he is looking scummy to me. Also, one of his first posts is a case on yamato. That being said, his reaction to the marv pressure was a little over the top
fuba's filter is disappointing. You see these meaty posts at the top and then he kinda just dies off. This post right before lynch time:
On June 07 2015 05:48 fuba wrote:
Got about 15 minutes left for lunch.
Read boxerfred's response to me. I guess I can see it from his POV. If he's truly a new player who's been busy with kids, I can see him just kinda letting D1 happen and stepping back in D2. Bothers me that he said he was gonna catch up on the last few pages, but has yet to comment on anything, really, that doesn't directly involve him. If no one else is going for him, I guess I'll switch?
But that leaves me with few choices, really. I agree with JAT's not-lynch list (and I add JAT to it, as well). Yamato is probably the one I see the most actual scum potential in, though it's mostly because I'm not entirely sure how to read FF or even VA all that well. Chezinu I have no idea whatsoever how to read, and the same almost goes for slam. It's mostly a POE vote, coupled with the fact that I just kinda expect more out of him as town.
##Vote yamato77
This looks like he was really grasping for reasons to vote yamato. First he overexplains his unvote of boxer, then tries to pass off sheeping JAT's list, then saying he can't read VA, Slam, Chez or me, as POE. With an hour before deadline this post looks very very forced to me.
+ Show Spoiler [crackpot theory] +On June 07 2015 10:24 fuba wrote:
Yay! Also, what does spew mean? This post has more strategic merit to it if fuba is scum. Seeing people ask if yamato spewed anyone and not knowing what it is to stop himself from doing it would be bad.
VA is coming off as town to me and I don't really know why. I've only really seen him AFK and this game his random posts have been focused. The focus reminds me of when he decided to town-side as 3p survivor in brazil carnival.
prplhz never posts this much as mafia and every time I have made this read about him I have been correct. He has 4 pages of filter and it's only day 2.
+ Show Spoiler [evidence] +
Marv is acting really antagonistic and silly. I honestly don't have any experience with scum marv other than that time I was on a team with him and he got lynched day 1. I guess he's towny this game since he's not dead? best read 2015
couple questions for people:
VAOn June 08 2015 05:27 VayneAuthority wrote:
I'm probably going to die tonight so let me post my case on chezinu.
He is mafia because we were playing duck duck mafia and when I patted his head I yelled out mafia and then i ran around in a circle and got back to my spot first he couldn't catch me
Why did you think you were going to die last night?
fuba if you think the light busing right away is silly, yet you're using it as a reason to TR him, is it not serving its purpose?
This question is stupid, I know. I'm just trying to say that reading someone town because the 'plays' they make don't make sense as mafia is stupid.
boxerfrank if you think marv is unfairly twisting your words, why are you content to look elsewhere? Willfully misrepresenting someone is a scum trait and you could easily make a case on marv if you compiled all the ways in which he misrepresented your argument.
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fuck it that's all the work you're getting from me right now
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always disturbs me a bit when you do things :p
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Am I the only one who likes fuba less with every post he makes?
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i'd like a bit more stream of consciousness from him
i get a better grip that way. atm i dno.
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On June 09 2015 03:48 NaCl`y wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 03:31 boxerfred wrote:
I have a pretty good idea who nacl is. By the way salty, who are you scum reads as of now? Do share with the class! I do not particularly know at this time since half of the players have disappeared. If I had to base it primarily from reactions and such that I remember it would be some variant of you/Chezinu/Fuba, possibly FecalFeast. Fuba's post today left me most perplexed.
cakepie. Same style of writing/posting, very sophisticated and detailed. The thing that made me commit to that was your defense of new players. 
Regarding fuba - I think he has valid reasonings behind his stuff. Like when he initially voted me for my push on yamato into unvoting etc., that was an okay-ish argumentation. He then drew a connection between marv and me, here:
On June 06 2015 23:26 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 16:33 prplhz wrote:On June 06 2015 15:59 fuba wrote:Sorry, I was really out of it today. First, regarding the claims... I can't find a reason to really disbelieve NaCl's claim. Was at least leaning town on him before it (mostly because of the case that people seem to agree seems accurate, though I haven't had the time to look into mig's previous games myself). That being said, I can't really decide what to make of Artanis's claim. My instinct is to believe him, though that instinct has bitten me in the ass before. Like prplhz said, his story does have a consistency to it that leads me to believe he's telling the truth. The fact that prplhz's view suddenly seemed to flip on the subject makes me... uncomfortable. On June 05 2015 20:40 boxerfred wrote:On June 05 2015 18:10 Mig wrote:
boxerfred what do you think of me? Fecal?
Is your vote for yamato a serious one? You believe he's most likely to be scum just because he voted you? No thought on you or fecal thus far On yamato? Given that he lurks, only to make a vote on me, only to leave another short, lurky comment? Yeah could very well be. That's not too solid however. I tend to no-vote currently. I think I'd prefer to lynch this guy. Gives reasons to see yamato as scummy>says yamato could be scummy>backs off on it>prefers no-lynch over guy he thinks could be scum. I mean, I understand wishy-washiness better than anyone, but he definitely seems to just be coasting by. Like... if he'd really given enough thought to preferring a no-lynch over a yamato lynch, why didn't he then switch his vote? He seems to just be saying things to say things, giving the appearance of participation, and disappearing. ##Vote boxerfredGotta get some sleep, but I'll get up an hour or two early to read/talk. Sure, there's a town narrative that fits for Artanis[Xp] but not if you consider that he's Artanis[Xp]. Artanis[Xp] hasn't been lynched in like 15 town games. Survived or night killed every single one of them. Is that because he pulls shit like this as town? Or is it because his town is extremely solid and he can rely on just playing normally to not get lynched? How do you reconcile Artanis[Xp]'s meta of never getting lynched as town with his behavior this game? Do you think this is the behavior of someone who never gets lynched? I've never been mislynched either. Is it because of my sterling town play? Just feels like a silly metric to me. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 16:34 prplhz wrote:
@fuba What do you think about marvellosity's read on boxerfred? The read where he says bf's opening sounds different than bf's newbie mafia game? I think it sounds like barely a read. Is that supposed to dissuade me from thinking he could be scum?
He completely unfollows that train of thoughts though.
I can't really find any points from which I'd give him a scum lean thus far. Only thing to note is that he never really commits to something. On the other hand, he genuinely explains his thoughts and soft pushes. I'd expect him to go harder at people when the game goes further but at this point, he's poking very softly and disappears again then. So at this point I'm willing to read him town.
Also, regarding me: FF says I'm looking rather frustrated than townish, fuba also goes for a null/town read on me, for other reasons though. It's interesting that Salty, while being all polite, obviously has a strong scum read on me. Hm.
So here's a "feeling ranking" of all the players:
marvellosity:
town tendency. His filter didn't give any clues of huge scum players or anything that would indicate a thing. Also, he started a case on Mig, I guess that's something.
justanothertownie
Town. Still for his read that I quoted earlier and nothing that would indicate a scum alignment.
NaCl`y
Town. If I remember correctly, he also went hard on yamato. gotta re-check but I'm kinda sure.
fuba
town tendency. see this post.
VayneAuthority
scum tendency. Because he didn't really answer my questions and pops up every now and then only
FecalFeast
town tendency. his posts feel good and are very reasoned. no derailing or similar.
So that makes me locate the living scum members at:
prplhz, chezinu, HTS, Mig, VA (in no particular order).
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On June 09 2015 04:16 Fecalfeast wrote:
boxerfrank if you think marv is unfairly twisting your words, why are you content to look elsewhere? Willfully misrepresenting someone is a scum trait and you could easily make a case on marv if you compiled all the ways in which he misrepresented your argument.
I think I did the most reasonable thing: I dived his filter without taking the clash between him and me into account to get a mostly objective read on him. I reacted way too emotional to his posts and let me drag down in fast typing without much thinking. Like, I skimmed his posts and answered without putting too much thought into it. That kinda sucks. That is why I am quite content with not checking if he actually twisted my words. I'll probably dive into that conversation once more sooner this day (or next day) but at this point, I feel like there are plenty of people to concentrate on.
Another thing I want to talk about is NaCl's (fake) Doctor claim when Artanis claimed Jailor.
On June 07 2015 00:49 NaCl`y wrote:First and foremost, I'd just like to get this out of the way. I am NOT the doctor. I decided to do this for reasons twofold: 1) I felt that no individual would ever believe they were under pressure and mafia would have caught their breadcrumb and then hard claim jailkeeper on day 1. I could not believe that a town Artanis[Xp] would do this. Since I did not believe it, I had to test out his claim. I originally thought just claiming jailkeeper would make him either rescind his silly claim or if he was mafia, give up the game. He did not do this however so I concluded that from his reactions and interactions around it his claim was pretty much sincere. This is when I decided to enact the second phase of my plan. 2) I switched my claim to doctor in order to garner reactions. Since I am town and I am pretty sure Artanis[Xp] is town then the unbelievable situation is that we have both a jailkeeper and a doctor. I don't think anybody would think this would be balanced. At least, I don't think it would in a small game such as this. So, since this was the case I left it open that there were 2 healing power roles. I did want to let everyone respond but a lot of people are just afk. No matter, this led to some very interesting reactions indeed:
The first of which is Justanothertownie. I think his reaction is by far the most sincere in the game. Posts like: + Show Spoiler +On June 06 2015 10:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Going to bed. Anyone who is even considering not lynching Artanis has to explain all this:
First of all you have to explain why NaCl is scum because there is no way there are 2 protective roles in a 10 vs 3 setup with 1 mafia KP and normal roles but EVEN IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU ON ITS OWN and you think for some reason it is possible to have a JK AND a doctor in the same game:
The situation is the following - you are Artanis a pretty good and experienced town player and you happened to role JK. Halfway into day1 nothing much happened so far and all of a sudden marvellosity who you townread and who you think is a really good player is attacking and voting you. You played a lot of games together. Do you either try to convince him that you are town/play the game or immediately feel the need to claim?
The answer is even if Artanis thinks he will potentially get lynched he will never claim his really powerful role without trying to avert the lynch otherwise before (and his stats show that he is really good at not being mislynched).
On the other hand if you are scum Artanis then you might think to yourself - "I will probably not be able to avoid being lynched" for whatever reason (maybe because town marvellosity set his sights on you). Artanis had some really weak scumgames. In THAT CASE claiming JK is pretty good. If noone counterclaims you will survive AT LEAST a day and be able to push an agenda. If you get counterclaimed you outed a really important role (if scum has a vigi getting rid of our protective role basically means they need one less mislynch for example) and in the worst case you just still get lynched. Maybe you even survive because people are idiots.
So town Artanis obviously did not claim because of being afraid. So why would he?
Artanis says he claimed because he thought he was outed by a dumb breadcrumb (which I think is HIGHLY unbelievable itself) he did which marv put emphasis on. So what do you do in this situation?
The answer is you never ever ever claim right away. What does town get from your outing? Nothing. If you think you absolutely need to claim for whatever reason you can still claim during the end of the night to avoid getting shot if scum happen to not know about you. By claiming you are destroying any chance of them not knowing for no real benefit.
If Artanis is town he acted incredibly stupid to a degree that is absolutely insane. I refuse to believe this and that he would not put any thought in how to play as one of towns most important and strong roles. The likelihood of him being mafia is much much higher. Add to this the claim by NaCl and we will absolutely lynch Artanis today. On June 06 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Which ruse? I've already fully owned up to being bad. Are you going to be bad with me? Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote. I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I fail to believe any mini game would be so utterly awful at that kind of balance. I am quite content to get lynched first for the trade. We don't know what roles scum have. I'm not quite as convinced as you, more so because I see little reason for you to fakeclaim as scum here. Then again, Toad did do it in LX or whatever so I guess it's possible, but it seems unlikely. On June 06 2015 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Which ruse? I've already fully owned up to being bad. Are you going to be bad with me? Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote. I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I also don't believe you thought scum would catch on to your ridiculous "crumb". You are not this bad. I actually figured you already figured it out when you kept talking about how bad I looked yet never voted or actually pushed me. I don't doubt that a 3-player scumteam would figure it out themselves. Noone would ever make the connectionof lock = jail. Are you kidding me. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:40 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:38 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:35 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. If this is a harcclaim we are 100 % lynching artanis. care to explain? I'm all ears. There are never both jk and doctor in the game. If the salty guy hardclaims we are lynching the shit out of artanis. In the worst case he trades 1:1 with mafia NaCl. So you're banking on lynching claims in a closed setup? Yeah, no. Yeah, yes. There are never ever both jk and doctor in a 13 player mini with scum having 1 KP. NEVER. His reactions and surprise and looking at claims while analysing which ones make sense or not is very towny of him. I am quite happy to add him to the town pile of Artanis[Xp] and Justanothertownie thus far.
prplhz is more of a toss up, I'm not sure what to believe really. His initial reaction to the claims seemed a skeptical but also as if they were not at the same time: Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:58 prplhz wrote:On June 06 2015 07:55 NaCl`y wrote:
@Everyone
I do not believe there would simply be 2 protective roles in this game. I would like the input of others that have not said anything towards this, it would be appreciated. Are there likely to be 2 town protective roles? Could Artanis[Xp] be the mafia roleblocker fake claiming since they are notified and it would be a good cover for somebody that notoriously does not play as mafia? Until recently there couldn't be godfather, framer, miller, cop in same game but then suddenly there was a game with godfather, framer, miller, cop. So I'm not inclined to this setup speculation either. Honestly I haven't a clue what to make of these claims, I'm pretty horrible with claims. What I'm pretty certain of is that one of you claimers is a giant moron. post that give me pause are posts like: Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 08:45 prplhz wrote:On June 06 2015 08:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, tell me:
1) Why would scum NaCl counterclaim if they can shoot town artanis in the night?
2) How on earth does Artanis play make sense from a town pov? Do you think he is usually a pretty stupid guy? No but I just said, the narrative of him being town, having his crumb outed, being scum read by marvellosity (who will probably get his lynch d1) and then being all frustrated and martyring and hard claiming shit, that sort of fits. Do you think scum would have done all this if they could have avoided it? This is pretty extraordinary. combined with Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 09:30 prplhz wrote:
seriously artanis has never been mislynched and that's not because he pulls off shit like this in all his town games
it's the exact opposite He pretty much outlines reasons that Artanis[Xp] could be town while still saying that we should lynch him which is incredibly confusing, hence why I'm not sure about his alignment right now.
I actually think marvellosity is mafia in this game. He has had several overblown reactions that I don't think he'd have as town and his reaction to this double protective role claiming is very sub par for him. I don't think he'd ever agree with Justanothertownie's reasoning for voting Artanis[Xp] and then just blindly lynch fuba. Ever. The reactions that I am talking about are: Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 05:28 marvellosity wrote:On June 06 2015 05:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 05:26 marvellosity wrote:On June 06 2015 05:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 05:23 marvellosity wrote:
There is absolutely no way a town Artanis claims jailkeeper for no reason here.
None.
He is scum. You are going to be so disappointed. then why did you claim? what possible motivation when you have a total of 1 vote on you? Because the thread was boring and I figured with the attention you gave to that part mafia would've certainly noticed and probably figured it out. This way at least everyone has the info. that's so bad. this is why i'm playing less and less. i can't handle the sort of nonsense yamato + artanis are pulling this game. i don't find it enjoyable. it's too bad for me to find enjoyable both Artanis[Xp] and Yamato77 were marvellosity's scum reads. Yet, when they did such utterly terrible things it garnered this reaction from marvellosity. Now, he's played quite a few games with Artanis[Xp] and from what I've seen he catches him if he is mafia quite regularly and has seen Artanis[Xp] claim things like mafia but lynched him anyway. This is a stupid claim and his initial reaction is frustration at stupidity but we find out later that marvellosity is STILL scum reading Artanis[Xp]. This, in tandem with his reaction to Yamato77 (his other scum read) seems very disingenuous. Now, getting to the part of the claims. I never expected marvellosity to just sit back on a lynch when there were 2 protective roles claimed in the thread. ESPECIALLY if one of them was his original scum read that has now been outed. However, his reactions are so meek that I can only conclude that this is a mafia marvellosity. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 05:23 marvellosity wrote:
There is absolutely no way a town Artanis claims jailkeeper for no reason here.
None.
He is scum. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 06:12 marvellosity wrote:
yeah i guess unless someone hard counterclaims you, that might be a good idea. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 19:56 marvellosity wrote:
Mig: the context is all in my posts, my patience levels are even lower than what they used to be, I have nothing further to add
what jat wrote is honestly quite convincing about artanis, probably because i kinda believe it myself. still, it's possibly a risky play i guess just to randomly claim when you could talk yourself out of it? still can't decide firmly
like i said last night, I find the idea that I found artanis, it happened to contain the word lock, and he made the best of it not unlikely
that said, my vote is probably on mafia with fuba anyway.
soooo......
Actually i went back and read what jat wrote again, still pretty convinced. i'd lynch either. He barely mentions the fact that there are 2 claims. He in fact ignores it. He bypasses this fact to then just talk about Artanis[Xp]'s reaction instead. However, it's as if he doesn't even care about it. He'd rather just sit back and lynch whoever instead of trying to figure things out. Fuba is such a cop out lynch and not something I think he'd be doing. Regardless his play this game can be surmised as: Overblown reactions to Artanis[Xp]'s stupidity and a fake reaction to Yamato77 and nothing. Also: Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 20:00 marvellosity wrote:
Does mafia KP = 1 mean KP is factional and leaves room for the possibility of a mafia vigi, or is it 1 maximum? I do not think he'd ever ask this question as town. I'm actually blown away that he'd ever ask this when he 100% knows it would never get answered. He has also now claimed inactivity excuses. I think he is mafia.
Yamato77 is another person that I think is likely to be mafia. Out of all the reactions he had me scratching my head the most. He seemed to instantly believe that both claims were entirely real and that Artanis[Xp]'s post was most definitely a breadcrumb and never listened to logic that dictated otherwise. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed.
Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? If NaCl IS town and he IS doctor, he's a fucking idiot for "counterclaiming" in a closed setup in the first place. If you don't believe Artanis' claim, MAKE GOOD POINTS ABOUT IT, DON'T "COUNTERCLAIM" WITH A DIFFERENT ROLE THAN THE ONE BEING CLAIMED It's fucking asinine that you're going along with this as well. Is town JAT honestly this fucking stupid to want to lynch into obvious claims? Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 08:00 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:57 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed.
Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? If NaCl IS town and he IS doctor, he's a fucking idiot for "counterclaiming" in a closed setup in the first place. If you don't believe Artanis' claim, MAKE GOOD POINTS ABOUT IT, DON'T "COUNTERCLAIM" WITH A DIFFERENT ROLE THAN THE ONE BEING CLAIMED It's fucking asinine that you're going along with this as well. Is town JAT honestly this fucking stupid to want to lynch into obvious claims? It is literally irrelevant if NaCl is an idiot or not. Artanis claim makes 0 sense from a town pov. The crumb is not obvious at all. Look, Artanis shouldn't have claimed when he did, but the crumb is quite obviously a crumb in hindsight If you don't think it's a crumb now, I don't know what to tell you Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 08:09 yamato77 wrote:
Fine, JAT, obviously you don't listen to me, so you can have your way.
I will have no part in this lynch however. I don't think he ever pondered the possibility that one of the claims was false or otherwise. Artanis[Xp]'s breadcrumb did not look like a breadcrumb at all and was actually in a standard phrase that many people use in mafia so "in hindsight" it still doesn't look like a breadcrumb at all. I think he has shown that he is using too much information to make a read and that becomes very evident in this situation.
I think mig's reaction: + Show Spoiler +On June 06 2015 16:59 Mig wrote:Some stuff I noticed, marv/yam interaction looks a little forced to me. Marv has to have played with yam 50 times by now. Yam is like this every game, the marv blow up seems overly emotional. I have seen marv blow up before but this seemed a bit much considering yam was just being his usual yam self. Just something to keep in mind. Feast/artanis interaction - If either of artanis/feast are scum it is very unlikely that the other is also. The claim/counter claim/ artanis vote feast stuff is too random. Just a weird/unlikely series of interactions if the scum team planned out an artanis fake claim. I honestly have no idea if having 2 protection roles would be OP for town or not. If mafia has a rber it doesn't seem that outlandish to me. That being said I am fine with lynching artanis. I read through Noir mini mafia that he just played and I actually think artanis played well that game. Day1 of that game was about as useless as this day1 has been and he still managed to actually post some useful thoughts. So far today he has posted a paragraph on being a little suspicious of JTA and that's it. Along with that his story for why he claimed is meh. Alternating between claiming because he was bored and because marv mentioned his line with the word lock in it. It was fairly clear that marv wasn't even saying that it was a bread crumb just that artanis was giving superfluous commentary. Assuming that mafia would have figured out he was JK from that is retarded. Seems more likely that artanis is bsing. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also as scum if this had happened I'd know I'd have been caught and just afk for the rest of the day. Self-meta and all but it's probably accurate. Kind of funny he said this, made a few more posts then disappeared for the rest of the day as well. Artanis if you are town give your reads, make a case etc. actually looks quite genuine and thought out, it shows that he's analytically looking at the alignments of the big event that happened in the game so far and did some background reading to make sure. His interactions points seem a bit too surface level though so a bit hesitant to add him to a town circle but definitely not in a scummy circle quite yet either.
This is getting a bit long and i'm not sure people are going to read it so for the sake of clarity
People I am happy with and think are probably town: Artanis[Xp], justanothertownie People that I am happy with: mig, possibly fuba for analysing peoples' reactions (not mentioned in long post sorry), Alakaslam People that I am ok with: prplhz People that I have no idea about: VayneAuthority (not mentioned but I don't really have a clue, didn't like his reactions though), Chezinu (ignored most of the game), FecalFeast, People I think are scum: Marvellosity, Yamato77, boxerfred (I read his past game where he was mafia and it looked very similar)
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This huge post basically shouts "I'M TOWN". What happened to the marv scum read, NaCl? I realized that you kept me in your recent list, while Chezinu went from "no idea about" to "scum". Why is he scum by now? I am asking that because the fight between me and Marv pulled (IMHO) too much attention off previous thoughts and cases. I don't want that to happen. Also, I want you to filter dive on me and make a case. You're posting in a fair and reasonable way and I'll try to explain anything you find in a genuine way.
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Page 27 - taking a break for now. Some of the things that jumped at me mostly d1 stuff...
I'm even more confident of JAT/Salty being own based on the former's pushing with his claim analysis, the latter's thought process in fakeclaiming medic and the way he's explained the reads. Salty's posting in general is just really town and a lot of the things he's saying have been well thought out.
I really do not like BF's post on page 27, the one where he no-lynched, it's honestly just a huge cop-out IMO and there had been plenty of material to work with.
I also agree with the points on prplhz having a weird read progression/flip on Artanis, but I also know from playing town games with him (in particular NSM7) he's not articulate/doesn't get his points across too well and I've misread him as scum either questioning his activity or reading too much into something he's said so I need to read more on him/filter dive him in detail before concluding anything.
Fuba, I like his initial post on BF, but I don't understand the gut acceptance of Artanis' claim, the lack of skepticism is a scum behaviour to me - usually when I evaluate claims, I evalute the timing of the claim and the gameplay upon which it stands, so I'm really surprised this didn't give him some pause. And it was pretty early in the day I thought.
marvellosity - nothing really jumped out at me as odd or scummy, his questioning of fuba based on his meta knowledge of him seems reasonable and I don't think anything was wrong with the Marv/yamato interaction. Granted I haven't had as much exp with them as apparently Mig has had but still I can definitely see Marv getting impatient with people at least for bad play, so nothing unusual really stuck out with me there. I'd have him as a town lean at the point where I stop reading.
Mig - aside from the entrance I didn't like, I didn't see follow through on his initial concerns at least up to page 27. The thing that I didn't understand was he was more than willing to lynch Artanis, he apparently metaed him and whatnot. He scumreads Fecalfeast, but I don't know why there was a lack of followup on Artanis or whether he dropped Artanis together (with no discussion of the claim situation) - says 3.5h before the lynch Artanis is unlikely going to be lynched which tells me he didn't drop the read at all, and only begs the question of his d1 actions - why didn't he push him? and prioritise Fecalfeast instead?
There's probably more on Mig after that but that's what jumped out at me.
Also not sure what to make of at that time, a lurky Fecalfeast (though I see he's posted a bit here so I can evaluate more) and Chezinu.
Chezinu didn't seem to make much of an impression at all through D1, and I've never played with Chez, does he normally lurk?
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yes, Chez normally lurks.
I'd say as town he's more interesting/kooky than when he is mafia.
also i don't know what his pushy thingy is on FF, that's something i specifically don't like.
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz where is everyone else??
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On June 09 2015 06:27 marvellosity wrote:
yes, Chez normally lurks.
I'd say as town he's more interesting/kooky than when he is mafia.
also i don't know what his pushy thingy is on FF, that's something i specifically don't like.
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totally forgot about this game. Since when does Chezinu normally lurk? Half of sky knows I don't normally lurk. Last time I was town, I got busy in RL and was afk. Half of Sky asked the same question in the obv qt. The answer is quite clearly no. Chezinu loves the center of attention way too much.
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Now let this be a lesson to those who wish to follow the way of the brown. If you lose your theme, you lose your protection.
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On June 09 2015 07:53 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 06:27 marvellosity wrote:
yes, Chez normally lurks.
I'd say as town he's more interesting/kooky than when he is mafia.
also i don't know what his pushy thingy is on FF, that's something i specifically don't like. ##unvote
##Vote marvellosity totally forgot about this game. Since when does Chezinu normally lurk? Half of sky knows I don't normally lurk. Last time I was town, I got busy in RL and was afk. Half of Sky asked the same question in the obv qt. The answer is quite clearly no. Chezinu loves the center of attention way too much.
Your vote is incongruous with your writing. You just point out that Half the Sky is asking a question she already knows the answer to and instead you vote for marvellosity?
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