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Damdred
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On May 18 2015 07:47 Zealos wrote: I'm not actually voting btw Also I really don't understand the purpose of this post, its just so weird you go through so much of the trouble say you are voting in thread but thent ell us you aren't voting and go to sleep gahhhhh | ||
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sciberbia
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Damdred
15669 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Scib is top town at this moment, nothing else to be said here Vivax is probably second on my reads right now he's a town lean that I'm pretty confident in. Shining and FB are on the same level basically right inside the null town side Palmar is town leaning Ze is a scum lean obi is...actually at the bottom of null and everyone else I don't have enough on. Any questions lets go get this jump started | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
sheeping isn't necessarily scummy but he doesn't even try to interact with me. Look at the way he played assassination or ippo or the student mafia game. Always inquisitive to a point at town and asks why gives his own thoughts, here he leaves himself plenty of room to maneuver without giving any thoughts that could shed light or even tries to see why palmar is doing what he is. Actually I think obi is palmar here, like he just has no fear of sheeping palmar or concerned about palmars alignment just blind sheep. move him to scum | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On May 18 2015 10:42 Damdred wrote: I probably will. The thread is a little dead, so what do you think of vivax scib? Good question. I'm not really sure what I think of him so excuse me if I babble a bit here. In general I am not too confident in my ability to read Vivax, but this one time I played with Vivax in Smurf Mini where we were both town, and I found myself applauding every post he made, so I know he is capable of coming off really townie. That is why I was surprised that he disagreed with my read on Zealos, because I thought any experienced player would agree with my read (like you and Palmar seem to). I was also surprised when he called your post a pile of WIFOM, because I thought it was a pretty interesting explanation for your townread on Palmar. Lastly, I find this sequence of posts a bit odd. On May 18 2015 07:40 Vivax wrote: Zealos is town, any objections? On May 18 2015 07:45 Vivax wrote: You're starting to worry me scib. But let's let this play out for a bit. On May 18 2015 08:12 Vivax wrote: Okay, I'll move him back to null cause you made me unsure. He was so certain of Zealos being town that he started to question my towniness for voting Zealos. But then over the course of a few sentences I managed to move his read on Zealos to null. I was not expecting him to agree so easily. Since I know he is capable as coming off as really townie, and instead has puzzled me a bit, I will put him on the scummy side of null for now. Out of curiosity, why did you ask me for my thoughts on Vivax if we are your top two town reads? And I'd be open to you convincing me as to why Vivax is town. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Vivax is kinda being a dick to me and it makes me think he's town to an extent XD. But for a more serious answer, I actually get better vibes off of him for those sentences that go from thinking ze is town to doubting you to thinking maybe he's wrong. It shows a somewhat believable train of thought to me in this situation that starts with I think I'm right, he's sees you disagree says he doubts you. Then however you deliver what I consider to be a pretty good reasoning on why ze is mafia at this point, so it makes vivax reevaluate at that point. I think its a pretty towny way of thinking, he also doesn't immediately jump on ze here he moves him back to null to think more about it instead of over reacting and humping on him also it seems he was wanting to pressure and call some things I did or didn't do into question. I liked it even if its just surface stuff right now. | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
On May 18 2015 11:17 Damdred wrote: I mean really though look at obis few posts and his vote, its so fucking weird coming from him sheeping isn't necessarily scummy but he doesn't even try to interact with me. Look at the way he played assassination or ippo or the student mafia game. Always inquisitive to a point at town and asks why gives his own thoughts, here he leaves himself plenty of room to maneuver without giving any thoughts that could shed light or even tries to see why palmar is doing what he is. Actually I think obi is palmar here, like he just has no fear of sheeping palmar or concerned about palmars alignment just blind sheep. move him to scum Pfft. | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
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Damdred
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On May 18 2015 06:39 Damdred wrote: Well Palmar is town that's my first town read of the game. Thats a bad read. Why was Palmar town for scumreading you? On May 18 2015 08:09 GlowingBear wrote: I like Damdred's explanation this early. Sounds like possibly town. I don't like Palmar's scumread on Damdred and suddenly peacing out. How is palmar similar to assassination? scib, feels a lot like you are making up a read for the sake of a read. | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
On May 18 2015 11:32 Damdred wrote: Glad for your great thought here obi, really happy \o/ | ||
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Damdred
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On May 18 2015 11:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Thats a bad read. Why was Palmar town for scumreading you? Damdred has already explicitly answered this exact question in the thread. Have you been reading thoroughly? On May 18 2015 11:35 Oatsmaster wrote: scib, feels a lot like you are making up a read for the sake of a read. I'm sorry you feel that way Oats. Am I correct in inferring that you think my read on Zealos is a bad read? If so, what do you make of the fact that Damdred and Palmar agree with my read on Zealos? | ||
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Damdred
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On May 18 2015 07:21 Damdred wrote: I think its a nonsensical stance for Mafia!Palmar to take at this stage of the game that Damdred is scum. Especially given how Palmar thinks (highly) about how I play the game and how I eventually gain momentum as the game goes along and if i'm town I can easily get off the mislynch as long as I try anyway. I don't see mafia Palmar going after me early in the game. Plus hes done this before to me as town I think This is saying "palmar wont do this as scum"". Which is horrific reasoning. Why wont he do this as scum? why is this specifically something only town Palmar does? Presumably hes wrong, so you are townreading someone for being wrong?!?!? | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On May 18 2015 11:47 Damdred wrote: Sci thoughts ok the obi smd vivax reads One step ahead of you mate. + Show Spoiler + On May 18 2015 11:28 Damdred wrote: Well at first I wanted your thoughts specifically but I got impatient and just started putting whatever in the thread to get some discussion going. Vivax is kinda being a dick to me and it makes me think he's town to an extent XD. But for a more serious answer, I actually get better vibes off of him for those sentences that go from thinking ze is town to doubting you to thinking maybe he's wrong. It shows a somewhat believable train of thought to me in this situation that starts with I think I'm right, he's sees you disagree says he doubts you. Then however you deliver what I consider to be a pretty good reasoning on why ze is mafia at this point, so it makes vivax reevaluate at that point. I think its a pretty towny way of thinking, he also doesn't immediately jump on ze here he moves him back to null to think more about it instead of over reacting and humping on him also it seems he was wanting to pressure and call some things I did or didn't do into question. I liked it even if its just surface stuff right now. @Damdred I find your analysis on Vivax reasonable, and I would probably agree with all of it had I never played with Vivax before. But I think I've seen Vivax act dickish as mafia before. And I've always thought of Vivax as very sure of his convictions to the point of fault, so I was more surprised than impressed that he moved from town to null on Zealos. Maybe I have the wrong idea of him though: like I said I don't feel too confident in reading him. Whatever I guess; hopefully I will get a better sense of him as the game moves along. I'll keep thinking about this. Regarding obi, I had him marked down as nullish. I've never played with him before so I feel like I cannot sympathize with some of your argument. I suppose I could look at the games you referenced at some point. I'm waiting to see more from him before I decide if his first couple posts are worrying enough to warrant a scum read. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On May 18 2015 11:53 Oatsmaster wrote: This is saying "palmar wont do this as scum"". Which is horrific reasoning. Why wont he do this as scum? why is this specifically something only town Palmar does? Presumably hes wrong, so you are townreading someone for being wrong?!?!? It is very interesting to me that three people (myself, Stutters, and Damdred) think that Damdred's explanation of his town read on Palmar is completely reasonable, while three other people (Vivax, GB, and now Oats) think it is a horrid explanation. On May 18 2015 11:53 Oatsmaster wrote: Why wont he do this as scum? why is this specifically something only town Palmar does? @Oats It looks to me like you are asking questions Damdred clearly answered in the post you quoted. What specifically doesn't make sense here? Take as a premise that Damdred is town and that Palmar thinks highly of Damdred's play and knows that town Damdred would be very difficult to mislynch. Therefore, a mafia!Palmar trying to start a lynch on a town!Damdred would be a puzzling move, as Palmar should know that the lynch will not go through. Perhaps Palmar should have picked an easier mislynch target. Since it would be a puzzling move from mafia!Palmar, and damdred thinks he has seen Palmar do this exact same thing as town before, Damdred concludes that Palmar is probably town. At what point does that reasoning become horrific? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On May 18 2015 11:40 sciberbia wrote: I'm sorry you feel that way Oats. Am I correct in inferring that you think my read on Zealos is a bad read? If so, what do you make of the fact that Damdred and Palmar agree with my read on Zealos? well no not exactly, damdred never references your read when saying he has a scumread on zealos. And same with Palmar. I dont think that its bad to scumread zealos, but the reasons you brought up are all weak and I dont actually think wishy washy is a scumtell. No reason better than bad reason. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
At what point does that reasoning become horrific? because its not backed up by anything and there is no supporting evidence saying that scumPalmar doesnt attack hard to mislynch people. | ||
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