EPTStill you seem to have a pretty strong town read on Rayn but most of your posts read like you are having rayn as scum for what you see as a bad wagon
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Damdred
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Still you seem to have a pretty strong town read on Rayn but most of your posts read like you are having rayn as scum for what you see as a bad wagon | ||
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gobbledydook
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On February 08 2015 14:10 Damdred wrote: So there is no merit in the defensiveness that slam talked about and rayn talked about in the wagon at all? Still you seem to have a pretty strong town read on Rayn but most of your posts read like you are having rayn as scum for what you see as a bad wagon if u say 60-70% is a strong town read then ok. that 30%-40% is where the doubt comes in, seeing as everyone townreads rayn i thought it was good to raise the issue of 'is he sure to be town'? | ||
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On February 08 2015 14:10 Damdred wrote: So there is no merit in the defensiveness that slam talked about and rayn talked about in the wagon at all? Still you seem to have a pretty strong town read on Rayn but most of your posts read like you are having rayn as scum for what you see as a bad wagon i think there really is no merit in the defensiveness that keir shows this early, even tho theory says towns should be less defensive coz one less town means less than one less scum but the fact is no one likes dying and being out of the game because of some early-day1-bullshit-wagon. if he's still like this by day 1 end, stonewalling and martyring and shit id lynch him | ||
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Damdred
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On February 08 2015 14:13 gobbledydook wrote: if u say 60-70% is a strong town read then ok. that 30%-40% is where the doubt comes in, seeing as everyone townreads rayn i thought it was good to raise the issue of 'is he sure to be town'? You dodged part of my question. We'll come back to it later though. Would scum!Rayn want to work with the thread and pressure people to give reads and try to keep the thread actually flowing pretty well instead of making people rage? I'm not so sure... anyway, you call the wagon bad. So are you town reading Kie? | ||
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On February 08 2015 14:16 Damdred wrote: You dodged part of my question. We'll come back to it later though. Would scum!Rayn want to work with the thread and pressure people to give reads and try to keep the thread actually flowing pretty well instead of making people rage? I'm not so sure... anyway, you call the wagon bad. So are you town reading Kie? two parts to this answer: 1) the wagon is bad because its based on an irrelevant premise, not because someone deliberately misread or misrepresented keir so the fact that the wagon is bad shows no alignment of keir. 2) keir's posting, as i explained before, is indicative of someone under pressure due to a bullshit wagon. its different from someone acting defensive because of some bad posting they made. in those cases you could legitimately suggest that theyre defensive because they got caught. with this 'discussion-generating-bullshit' wagon theyre defensive because its bullshit i dont think it tells anything about their alignment. so keir is still a null. | ||
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LightningStrike
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geript
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On February 08 2015 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: slam is town. dis is good. This is a really bad read. Nothing Slam had done to this point was actually alignment indicative. Rayn is worse at reading Slam than I am, but even Rayn shouldn't be saying this here. On February 08 2015 05:28 Damdred wrote: I would actually agree with you more than likely, This is actually false too. Onegu's play is slightly different as town and mafia. Onegu posting at this point isn't alignment indicative either. I think I like Damdred for confirming this less than Rayn but meh. Soft town read. I need to go back and look as to how I was able to read OWS previously. But feels a bit towny in attitude. On February 08 2015 05:37 Onegu wrote: ##VOTE: Geript because he said we weren't friends anymore.  What? I don't think I ever said that. That said, I don't think mafia Onegu actually says anything like this. I really wanted to push a lynch on you too. BTW, hope your son is doing well. On February 08 2015 05:49 Alakaslam wrote: ![[image loading]](http://cynthiarobertson.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/junglebook_24.jpg) Look deep into the eyes of Alakaslam, and I shall make thine handle speak soothly of thy condition. Thou shalt be in the care of the Kushm4sta P.S. I forgot I meant to quote your comment about hostility You ain't seen nothin till you seen raynpelikoneet bring it out of everyone He can piss me off he can piss you off Kush works at an asylum for the elderly Fear deeply[/QUOTE] This post actually deeply bugs me. I feel like I've seen it before. I don't think I've ever seen Slam quote his own posts before. I think it's from a game where Rayn was reading Slam wrong and I was too for a bit until I had a weird heart to heart with him. I think Rayn got modkilled that game too. Cell Maybe? But Slam quoting his own posts is really, really alarming to me. On February 08 2015 06:03 Keirathi wrote: On February 08 2015 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: explain the underlined then. why should i know you are not mafia? Are you insinuating that if I was mafia, that that sentence makes more sense? Obviously you don't know if I'm mafia or not, but you are also smart enough to know that my first post doesn't make me mafia since I literally post some silly fluff thing in my first post of every recent game I've played. I don't think this is actually true. I think I had an easy townread on you in Catastrophe? from like 2-3 posts. Very meh so far. On February 08 2015 06:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: On February 08 2015 06:11 Keirathi wrote: Omfg yea I'm really just going to ignore you if you're not even going to read what I write. this is literally the conversation we had (paraphrased): rayn: Keir is mafia Keir: you should know i am not mafia rayn: why should i think you are town? Keir: you should not think i am mafia rayn: you said i should think you are town, why? Keir: OMG YOURE NOT READING!!! see the point? I don't hate this push, but I don't love this push. My feeling is that this is literally going to turn into nothing worthwhile. Like I'm not even sure if I like Rayn more or less for making the push. I'm just going to assume in the next 18 pages I get a solid read on both of these two. On February 08 2015 06:29 Keirathi wrote: On February 08 2015 06:27 Onegu wrote: Do you have a read on Rayn from this other than just bad? I've never played with scum rayn, but he seems pretty similar to every other game I've played with him. He's probably town. I really don't like this read from Keirathi. Like Keir's reads are usually better than this. Rayn's early pushes are usually better, stronger, more urge/fury driven as town. Like he's even usually more annoying and tunnelly. Ugggh. On February 08 2015 06:48 Fecalfeast wrote: On February 08 2015 06:47 Keirathi wrote: It's just rayn doing the same thing he does every game we play together. He thinks I'm scum on day 1 because I play differently than he does, he's wrong, and then we eventually end up working together to win the game. It's happened in every single game we've played together, and there's nothing else worth talking about so I'm just stringing him along. Isn't that anti-town, though? I know that if you get rayn all hot and start a shitstorm there will be 100 pages next time I go afk and I'll become demotivated all over again Like I really hate this post. Keirathi's become trolly and rayn's become kinda trolly. Like I kinda think both of them are town (keir moreso though), but this post does nothing for me. It's generic and IDK if I even believe the demotivated part. Idk maybe. Questionable pile for now. On February 08 2015 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: FF get's a 98% town pass. now dis game ez.  Rayn's reading the game completely differently. I really hate this townread. It's kinda weird though, it is a read that town!Rayn would make here. It's still a bad read though. On February 08 2015 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: On February 08 2015 06:51 liancourt wrote: who's scum now? Keirathi maybe SL. Please don't shit up the thread too much sweetheart. This read is probably wrong too. His trolly response to you was really towny and you should've realized that. On February 08 2015 07:01 Damdred wrote: Actually I also think lian is town for a really shit reason. That I think is totally right. see questions... On February 08 2015 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: but to the game i really hitnk Keirathi is mafia nd if geript is town he is going to tell you the same thing. I'm going to explain my Keirathi read and why I disagree. First, + Show Spoiler + On February 08 2015 06:48 Keirathi wrote: I wonder how high I can get that number up in one day! On February 08 2015 07:01 sicklucker wrote: I think dandreds town for that stupid read So many bad reads. Such little town. Q pile for now On February 08 2015 07:07 Onegu wrote: On February 08 2015 07:06 sicklucker wrote: I have missed playing with you rayn. Never get banned again +1 I kinda think this makes Onegu a bit townier. Idk. It's weird. Usually Onegu is a bit more active/have fun-ish as town. Feels very "in the spirit of the moment" posty. On February 08 2015 07:11 sicklucker wrote: Well heres my one read so far. Dandreds like 90% town for that lian post. Hes still a pussy mafia. I dont think he would come out with such a weak "tone read" if hes mafia he wouuld throw out someone more standard. He did alot of these tone reads as town before as well. Maybe it's not a bad read. I still expect more from Damdred than what he's posted so far. Nothing's screamed town to me from what he's posted so far. On February 08 2015 07:27 Keirathi wrote: Hey slam, in your own words, why am I mafia? I like this because I really like the target. Slam is actually not an easy mislynch target in this game and Keir would know this. On February 08 2015 07:35 liancourt wrote: On February 08 2015 07:34 Keirathi wrote: Nono, he's saying that since you think I am a good player, and since I am being useless, that he can vote me. yes. hey you just admitted you are being useless! This is a really bad post. Like Keirathi is actually making a decent point here and this only serves to pick at him. On February 08 2015 07:40 Damdred wrote: Keir has a scum lean because of his super defensiveness. SL might be scum. idk about the third I actually really don't like Damdred for this post. Like this is 100% wrong. Keir isn't being scumread for being defensive. Damdred in my experience as town follows the thread better than this even if he is busy. Like this is really lazy and it's not even thinking about the situation or what's been posted at all. Like this is really, really fucking scummy. Let me repeat. [b]Damdred not only gets the reason for Keirathi being scumread wrong; he moreso shows that he hasn't been thinking about how to read Keirathi whatsoever. Town!Damdred should have a better read on Keirathi here. On February 08 2015 07:44 Keirathi wrote: I'm not sure what your point is? If I had something useful to contribute, I would have. Rayn is here telling you that I'm this really good mafia player, but neglecting to tell you that very rarely am I useful on day 1, much less 2.5 hours into the game. I read the game and people differently than he (and most people) do. Not in a way that I can be any kind of comfortable in reads in an hour or two. I read patterns, long term strategy, meta, etc. All this posting that has happened so far is just BS to me, really. tl;dr: If you're going to vote me, I'm going to make you work for it. I play better under pressure and it helps me develop reads when I can make people defend their own position towards me. This is also untrue. Keir is actually quite useful on D1. IDK if he's usually right on D1, but in my experience he's not "very rarely useful on D1. Down to don't lynch pile. On February 08 2015 08:04 sicklucker wrote: Keirathi is reminding me of my last two scum games where I got pinged out from my usual non alignment indignitive spam and I had to claw out of it. Too defensive too early. I made this mistake alot as scum recently meh, meh meh meh, meh, meh, meh, meh On February 08 2015 08:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Slam is almost definitely town based purely on meta which you love so much. Apparently does not apply here. Nope. Wrong. Slam can be town here, but I actually think he's not. I'm really surprised you're townreading him so hard too. Like, he's started playing differently; but I don't think this is that much like where he replaced me in void (granted I didn't super follow that game [spoiler=For Slam]BTW, all you had to do was sheep me that game. I have right reads all over the place[/spoiler]). On February 08 2015 09:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: he is happy, trying to play the game and has a though process of some sort regardless of it makes sense to you/me/anyone. It makes him totes town. like 101%. He looks happy. But he actually can fake that as mafia. He's not actually done anything that he couldn't do as mafia yet. And him quoting a post that I'm like 99% sure was from cell I think it was is really, really bugging me. Like that's really out of Slam's wheelhouse generally as I recall. On February 08 2015 09:03 sicklucker wrote: Lian actually looked at the database? TOWN Again. No. God dammit people. Like how much wrong do I have to point out. I want to call all you fuckers making bad fucking reads mafia. Sidenote: I think one of the major things that really bugs me about slam is that usually as town, he kinda does his own thing for a while too. I couldn't quite place it initially, but the quite sheep onto Keir is one of the things that actually really bugs me about him. I'm moving him down to mafia pile for now and see how I feel about that at the end of the read through. Maybe I'm really biased right now, but normally town!Slam, even new town!Slam, would play along with this game in some way. Not just meh post it. On February 08 2015 09:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Keirathi it actually is interesting you brought up only Slam and noone else at that point. Like Slam is the easiest person to attack because he does not make sense to much people regardless of what he says. Damdred has a point. I'm a known Slam whisperer. You've been known to read him well too though. He's not "the easiest person to attack" this game. On February 08 2015 09:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am pretty sure i am abotu the best person ton this planet to read Slam, afaik he has never been lynched as town when i have been alive as town, and it's not gonna happen this game either. Like, no. Just no. You got your read from me. Everyone got their Slam read from me. I was the one who found that read. I was the one who's always used it correctly. You wanted to mislynch Slam that game and I had to defend him and you thought I was scum for it too I think that game. Granted you also said I'd bus him if I were mafia too that game. But even still, I have a perfect read on Slam. You don't. You really need to read my reasons for thinking he's not town. On February 08 2015 10:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah okay it makes sense Keir. It doesn't make Damdred's observation bad though. In fact i think it's one of the most perceptive things happened in this game. Maybe I missed something, but could you point this out to me. Because I didn't see any amazeballs Damdred read yet so far. I even think Damdred's mafia so... On February 08 2015 10:16 Fecalfeast wrote: man I want to townread you just for this No. Just no. Like I really just want to start strangling myself at this point. I'd pull out my hair, but I literally just shaved my head. No. On February 08 2015 10:43 LightningStrike wrote: I'm here now sorry I went skeet shooting with my Dad and now home and caught up I liking Damdred and Rayn so far and sicklucker is the hardest person to read correctly in Day 1 guys just from my experience playing with him. Lian I liking a tiny bit and FF is a question mark for me. Keirathi is null for me atm. The last time I seen this type of post from slam: He was mafia but everyone told me that Slam is hard to read so null for him atm. I can't really explain this, but I don't think LS is town here. IDK what it is, but this post feels very, very different from the games I've seen LS as town in. I could be wrong on this though. Maybe it will come to me, but I feel like this post is missing something and I can't quite place my finger on it. A lot like my HTS read in void. On February 08 2015 12:50 gobbledydook wrote: I don't like where rayn's train is going. so we're talking a few minutes into the game, it's been mostly trolling shit and then slam comes up with this random keirathi scumread because keirathi said something trolly. and then rayn goes 'why did you roll scum', like, it's literally half an hour into game and keirathi has said one post. ok, so it's pretty normal for anyone, alignment non-indicative, to go wtf? and then goes like 20 pages of back and forth witchhunt because there's literally nothing else going on other than rayn: keir y u no do towny shit, keir: theres nothign to talk about, rayn: give reads, keir: theres really nothing to talk about except this bullshit wagon, rayn: see he's not contributing lynch his ass. really? meanwhile rayn goes and townreads like 10 other people without really any reason, and i don't think asking him why would help because there's really no reason to townread 10 people in the first few hours of d1... so may i ask, wtf is rayn actually doing, is he just bringing us around for a ring around the rosey while appearing to be town because he's been posting a lot? But Keir has done some towny shit. Like idk, meh pile. I'll read this filter tomorrow for sure; the general summary kinda bugs me too even if I think it's correct. [B]On February 08 2015 13:41 gobbledydook wrote: i just think this keirathi wagon is bad, and u shouldnt just assume rayn is town because he generated this twenty page wagon. you know well that he can do this whether town or scum. its certainly a better performance than many in this thread, but i wouldnt recommend trusting everything he says. Down to questionable. This post actually doesn't point towards anything. Like it feels like gobble should have his own idea of where the thread should go, but there's no sort of idea or direction yet. Maybe mafia too Town: Onegu Don't lynch for now: Rayn Keirathi Null: Anyone I haven't listed Questionable: gobbledygook Fecalfeast sicklucker LightningStrike Mafia: Damdred Alakaslam 1. @Rayn & Damdred: Why is liancourt town? I don't get it. 2. @Slam. Write me a love letter that will make me swoon. 3. @Rayn.... Damdred amazeballs read? Where? | ||
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Onegu
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<3, he's doing good, but you really fail at quotes | ||
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On January 25 2015 14:38 geript wrote: You play hearthstone? I don't know if we can be friends anymore. I fail at quotes also | ||
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On February 08 2015 15:14 Keirathi wrote: Oh hey geript, you finally showed up! ![[image loading]](http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/452/280/50c.jpg) I shall protect you milady! | ||
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geript
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Meh, that was sarcasm but eh. What do you think of Damdred and why? Also, what's your read on SL and gobbledygook and why? | ||
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Onegu
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On February 08 2015 15:19 geript wrote: Meh, that was sarcasm but eh. What do you think of Damdred and why? Also, what's your read on SL and gobbledygook and why? I know it was sarcasm, thought I'd get back at you now lol. Damdred is fairly null for me, like Rayns reasoning for semi scum reading him didn't make to much sense to me, plus as town I feel he is much more engaged than how he has played this game. Although he hasn't said anything that makes me look at him as uber scummy. Gobble on the other hand I really don't like how he came into the thread. His read on Rayn really didn't make to much sense and felt almost like he was forced off his read to only say 60-70% town. SL I have very little read on him thought his interaction with me was fairly townie but nothing else really stuck out to me. | ||
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Keirathi
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1) Most importantly, can amazeballs be the buzzword for this game? There's one every game that people keep using after one person says it, and I think I should get to coin the buzzword for this one. I'm voting amazeballs. 2) About Slamdred: Do you think it likely that if they are both scum, they both hop on my wagon so easily? Well, I guess they were both only nominally on my wagon. Neither actually voted or pushed me or anything. Hmm. + Show Spoiler [Side Note] + You may have town read me in 2-3 posts in Catastrophe, but it certainly wasn't for being useful. Something like 80% of my posts in that game were trolly talking about chocolate and cookies and stuff, lol. | ||
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Keirathi
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For some reason, I was thinking he said that AFTER rayn. He said it before rayn. I don't really see it coming from scum there. | ||
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gobbledydook
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for now ill go and read up on damdred since you raised that up and ill see where that goes. | ||
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geript
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On February 08 2015 15:39 Keirathi wrote: @geript: Just finished reading your big post carefully. 1) Most importantly, can amazeballs be the buzzword for this game? There's one every game that people keep using after one person says it, and I think I should get to coin the buzzword for this one. I'm voting amazeballs. 2) About Slamdred: Do you think it likely that if they are both scum, they both hop on my wagon so easily? Well, I guess they were both only nominally on my wagon. Neither actually voted or pushed me or anything. Hmm. + Show Spoiler [Side Note] + You may have town read me in 2-3 posts in Catastrophe, but it certainly wasn't for being useful. Something like 80% of my posts in that game were trolly talking about chocolate and cookies and stuff, lol. Both Slam and Damdred can be town. They're independent reads. Both can hop on as mafia I think as well. Mostly considering the timing of both. But I'm not the best vote analysis/general thread timing bandwagon hopper onering person; I think it's better to read them for what they have and haven't done (and do) rather than timing issues for either. | ||
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