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On January 27 2015 05:58 Half the Sky wrote: Robik, I see from your filter you have townreads on Eden and Palmar, scumreading GB as well.
What are your thoughts on everyone else in the thread? I don't have any, but I will put everyone who votes GB on my "do not lynch list" for d2
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On January 27 2015 06:04 IAmRobik wrote: I don't have any, but I will put everyone who votes GB on my "do not lynch list" for d2
I believe you are experienced enough to realise that scum can take advantage of a townie wagon to vote another townie out (or bus too, but unlikely in this setup).
What if, in the unlikely but still possible event, that GB is town?
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On January 27 2015 06:32 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 06:04 IAmRobik wrote: I don't have any, but I will put everyone who votes GB on my "do not lynch list" for d2 I believe you are experienced enough to realise that scum can take advantage of a townie wagon to vote another townie out (or bus too, but unlikely in this setup). What if, in the unlikely but still possible event, that GB is town? Then I won't be NK'd and we'll move on
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On January 27 2015 03:49 Half the Sky wrote: Last edit: 2015-01-26 19:51:03 Friendly reminder that editing is banned.
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can someone restate the things that make GB mafia that don't boil down to "he's bad"? I don't care about him being wrong with what he does. I want to see why doing what's wrong is more beneficial for him as mafia than as a townie.
Because I still only see him as the easy mislynch to be honest.
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I can't, I was just sheeping.
Pop quiz time. Who can name something of relevance that Onegu has done this game?
The answer key is below, please don't peek until y [spoiler]
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Pop quiz time. Who can name something of relevance that Onegu has done this game?
The answer key is below, please don't peek until you've guessed. + Show Spoiler +
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On January 27 2015 07:15 Toadesstern wrote: can someone restate the things that make GB mafia that don't boil down to "he's bad"? I don't care about him being wrong with what he does. I want to see why doing what's wrong is more beneficial for him as mafia than as a townie.
Because I still only see him as the easy mislynch to be honest. His case on me is that I wasn't posting thus I'm mafia. I started posting. He continues to say I'm mafia for meta reasons, even though I've since broken that meta. Thus he's just making shit up and doesn't have any actual thoughts on analysis. Especially since all he does is talk about me. Additionally, he has made 4 posts today that amount to "i'm going afk be back later," which I find inherently scummy.
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Damn, my mafia meetup heuristics don't work online. People are too proactive in posting reads.
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LIANCOURT I AM NOT YELLING AT YOU THIS IS JUST SO YOU'LL STOP PAGEDOWNING AND SEE THIS POST
Please clarify how you suspected me based on me having a similar playstyle to my previous game when my filter was 4 pgs long by the time you voted me and my filter didn't hit p4 until day3 of the game you're citing
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On January 27 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Friendly reminder that editing is banned.
Completely my fault with the quote box edits. It won't happen again.
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On January 27 2015 07:20 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 07:15 Toadesstern wrote: can someone restate the things that make GB mafia that don't boil down to "he's bad"? I don't care about him being wrong with what he does. I want to see why doing what's wrong is more beneficial for him as mafia than as a townie.
Because I still only see him as the easy mislynch to be honest. His case on me is that I wasn't posting thus I'm mafia. I started posting. He continues to say I'm mafia for meta reasons, even though I've since broken that meta. Thus he's just making shit up and doesn't have any actual thoughts on analysis. Especially since all he does is talk about me. Additionally, he has made 4 posts today that amount to "i'm going afk be back later," which I find inherently scummy. first sentence: He is bad second+third sentence: well... that's him being bad because he told you about it if he really thinks that way He shouldn't have done that. We'll have to see what he posts in the next couple hours. fourth+ sentence: he has only made 4 posts ever since (trusting you on this) so it's obvious there's not a lot of actualy thoughts on analysis.
how is "I'm going afk be back later" something inherently scummy? HTS has said something along those lines multiple times. I don't see you all over her (pun might be intended) I actually do that a lot as well depending on my mood, as all three alignments.
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Wow I am amazed how much mafia you are for these three words Toad
##vote Toadesstern
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On January 27 2015 07:27 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 07:20 IAmRobik wrote:On January 27 2015 07:15 Toadesstern wrote: can someone restate the things that make GB mafia that don't boil down to "he's bad"? I don't care about him being wrong with what he does. I want to see why doing what's wrong is more beneficial for him as mafia than as a townie.
Because I still only see him as the easy mislynch to be honest. His case on me is that I wasn't posting thus I'm mafia. I started posting. He continues to say I'm mafia for meta reasons, even though I've since broken that meta. Thus he's just making shit up and doesn't have any actual thoughts on analysis. Especially since all he does is talk about me. Additionally, he has made 4 posts today that amount to "i'm going afk be back later," which I find inherently scummy. first sentence: He is bad second+third sentence: well... that's him being bad because he told you about it if he really thinks that way He shouldn't have done that. We'll have to see what he posts in the next couple hours. fourth+ sentence: he has only made 4 posts ever since (trusting you on this) so it's obvious there's not a lot of actualy thoughts on analysis. how is "I'm going afk be back later" something inherently scummy? HTS has said something along those lines multiple times. I don't see you all over her (pun might be intended) I actually do that a lot as well depending on my mood, as all three alignments. last part: sorry I misunderstood. I thought he used that phrase and you think that's scummy when what you meant is "he has done jackshit today"
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On January 27 2015 07:29 Palmar wrote: Wow I am amazed how much mafia you are for these three words Toad
##vote Toadesstern care to elaborate?
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On January 27 2015 07:18 Eden1892 wrote:Pop quiz time. Who can name something of relevance that Onegu has done this game?The answer key is below, please don't peek until you've guessed. + Show Spoiler + Actually, would lynch this guy too.
HOLY SHIT. I JUST HAD AN EPIPHANY.
So GB and Onegu have both essentially done what Ritoky did in the previous game we played.
GB is making lists with little substance. I didn't read all of Onegu's posts, but I remember one where he calls me town for being scummy. THIS IS LITERALLY THE EXACT WORDS THAT RITOKY USED IN THAT GAME IN HIS LIST POST:
On January 01 2015 13:33 ritoky wrote: finally caught up in the thread, don't have a lot of time because new years is a busy day in the ER; just gonna copy/paste my notes in the thread; sorry i can't be more engaged:
note - trying not to null read anyone from this point forward, list everyone as town or scum unless they haven't posted
koshi - his wording in certain cases seems like he is trying to appease (i.e. "TheChyz is not scummy to me. I am not saying he is a townread but the case Dr.H. makes is not how I read Chyz." and other cases of not saying people's alignment ex: calling me and drh meh), says needs something new and fresh doesn't make it happen. mafia pile
gb - did his "not reading the thread" shtick which he did as town twice before, done nothing else. town pile
*geript - start of game was town: jokes, prodding, pushing for answers, calling someone's case horrible. did mafia thing where promised information in terms of meta reads on people, hasn't delivered. dunno why, think this post is super town: "At some point yah. But I'd like to have a read on most of the people in the game. There's way too many inactives right now. Maybe when I reread I'll realize I'm being dumb idk. We'll see." could be wrong, look into again later. town pile for now*
artanis - asking questions, pushing for answers to his questions, him being "torn" about chyz seems a little odd not enough to worry now, but watch to see how that read develops. town pile
lazer - says won't lynch drh, then null reads me for essentially the same reason. makes not very much sense. has a torn sentiment on geript like me and skeptical of koshi like me. could be wrong, but read too strange. mafia pile
marv - supposedly great town player, managed 2nd page of filter while doing remarkably little. read on me seems lazy and inaccurate. mafia pile
^jat - bleeding town out of every orofice. town pile^
*robik - made it to almost 2 pages of his filter while complaining about not having time to play, could have spent time playing. promises to wreck, worth waiting until tomorrow to see because strong town player. town pile*
thechyz - posts seem incredibly honest...can't place finger on it. could be slight donkey, but really seemed concerned about thread direction. snap omgus'd drH, which seems more town responsive in the context. town pile
palmar - agree with lots of his reads, don't like excuses. town pile
damdred - has a non-lazy meta read on me as opposed to marv. pushing thread in productive direction and correcting others for misrepresenting people's arguments. town pile
*batsnacks - someone (look up later) said batsnacks has been playing differently. seems like same town batsnacks to me. could have bad read on him. town pile*
SL - bizarre play. seemed to be trying to defuse me and drH arguing early, has weird interaction where he demands i have a read on him, when i don't. formulates a bunch of random thoughts in regards to me not remembering previous game. no idea what he is talking about in the slightest. none of his other reads are formulated in a coherent way, done nothing townie. mafia pile
vivax - no post
*kels - evolving reads, when i was mafia last game with him had static reads that didn't change much of the game, currently his reads seem more fluid, probably town or got better at mafia. this was the guy who said bats playing differently, watch that read. town pile*
ritoky - town jesus
drH - guy contradicting himself all over the place. stupid policy crap, doesn't follow through. forgotten about it entirely at this point. no idea what he is doing. dumpster case on chyz, pot calling kettle black. calling out for hypocrisy not because he is actually scum. has largest filter, probably town unfortunately. is most likely donkey, be wary of his reads they may be bad. town pile
eden - town town town. giving reads unprovoked, not folding when pressured, commenting when unsolicited. seems invested in reads makes very good point about the timing of chyz's post and people exploiting it to get a read on chyz even though the situation had kinda already defused itself. town pile
*rebirth - "i'm here guys! notice me senpai!" into nothing. scum pile for now*
superbia - no post
On January 26 2015 14:22 Onegu wrote: Ok GB is town mafia isn't going to post notes like that.
Toad is being thread mayor town for now.
Robik also most likely town, stupid for scum to come in and drop a huge dump in thread.
Eden no idea I can't read drunk people with a buzz myself.
Liancort mentions me and palmar but not VE. That's fairly suspicious to me.
The chick hasn't posted much worthwhile either, but that face palm was hella funny.
Palmar VE I miss you ok that is all I can think of for now
Goodnight
Bolded are the reads on me. Both of them end up calling me town because they know I'm town but do so after saying that I'm scummy.
Also, GB's post looks mighty similar to Ritoky's, where he forces himself to include/"read" everyone.
On January 26 2015 10:21 GlowingBear wrote:GB's 1st Mindnotes (disclaimer: this is something new I'm trying to keep track of my thoughts) 1. IAmRobik + Show Spoiler +2. Onegu + Show Spoiler + I don't like this post + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=6#102 because it just seems that he just posted to comment on something without having clear intention to discover alignments. Potentially scum. I also don't like this post of his + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#127 because he just says to me that the vote is horrible and that the opening is null. See, he is just commenting: he doesn't say why that post can come from both alignments, he doesn't try to understand my reasoning why reading Toad as scum and he doesn't have any conclusion on my attitude. He just... comments. Again, Onegu just comments with a single "lol" + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#139 . This is bad. 3. GlowingBear + Show Spoiler +4. Eden1892 + Show Spoiler + Too jokey for like 4 pages long. Could be scum. 5. liancourt + Show Spoiler +EXACTLY MY THOUGHTS ABOUT TOAD'S ENTRANCE + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=8#143 . Probably town. 6. Palmar + Show Spoiler +7. VisceraEyes + Show Spoiler +8. Toadesstern + Show Spoiler +I hated his entrance + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=5#95 because it's a lot of fluff with him saying that he shouldn't be lynched. Directly scummy because he arguing asking to not be lynched day1. Indirectly townie because "would scum be this obvious?". But then, he wrote this post + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#134 which sounded townie to me because (i) he had no reason to townread me for that if he was mafia, he could just go against me, and (ii) he had fair reasons to read me as town (in other words, he is trying to solve alignments by evaluating posts through mafia/town perspectives). Preliminary townpass. 9. Half the Sky + Show Spoiler + I hate this post + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=5#98 because Toads entrance was really scummy and giving a townread because someone is having fun can never be a reason to townread someone. Just look at Artanis play at Imperial, completely relaxed, and any Slam's scumgame. Felt like possible mafia not knowing how to interpret an entrance and saying it looks townie because her view is already tainted by her perfect information. INCONSISTENCY ALERT!!!! Say everyone but lian is leaning town here + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#140 but still haven't tried to figure out lian's alignment by pushing him yet. BUT thinks my entrance is horrible and puts suspicions on me here + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#125 Where did those suspicions go? Weird. Townreads so far: Toadsteem liancourtPossible scums (in order): Eden HTS Onegu
Also interesting that he spoils it. It might be confirmation bias, but I think that he expects no one to read it, which is why he spoils it. Like, who the fuck is actually gonna open 9 spoils. I opened the first one, saw his read on me, laughed to myself and then moved on.
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On January 27 2015 07:27 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 07:20 IAmRobik wrote:On January 27 2015 07:15 Toadesstern wrote: can someone restate the things that make GB mafia that don't boil down to "he's bad"? I don't care about him being wrong with what he does. I want to see why doing what's wrong is more beneficial for him as mafia than as a townie.
Because I still only see him as the easy mislynch to be honest. His case on me is that I wasn't posting thus I'm mafia. I started posting. He continues to say I'm mafia for meta reasons, even though I've since broken that meta. Thus he's just making shit up and doesn't have any actual thoughts on analysis. Especially since all he does is talk about me. Additionally, he has made 4 posts today that amount to "i'm going afk be back later," which I find inherently scummy. first sentence: He is bad second+third sentence: well... that's him being bad because he told you about it if he really thinks that way He shouldn't have done that. We'll have to see what he posts in the next couple hours. fourth+ sentence: he has only made 4 posts ever since (trusting you on this) so it's obvious there's not a lot of actualy thoughts on analysis. how is "I'm going afk be back later" something inherently scummy? HTS has said something along those lines multiple times. I don't see you all over her (pun might be intended) I actually do that a lot as well depending on my mood, as all three alignments. because he's showing that he's around and caught up and reading, but he's not actually willing to provide any new content or thoughts. His only content or thoughts in between his AFK is that he wants to lynch me. That's not towny
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On January 27 2015 07:15 Toadesstern wrote: can someone restate the things that make GB mafia that don't boil down to "he's bad"? I don't care about him being wrong with what he does. I want to see why doing what's wrong is more beneficial for him as mafia than as a townie.
Because I still only see him as the easy mislynch to be honest.
My original case is on page 14. My followup was on page 19.
In both posts, my issue with GB is that:
1 He is intentionally taking things out of context. The fact that he did this in two posts solidifies my feelings about him. On page 19, he is making a serious stretch on Onegu's posts. I further illustrate the point about him thinking I am scumreading him on meta when the opposite is true.
2 On page 14, my issue with him was that he did not interact with me despite seeing something that he found scummy about me. As town he should directly try to interact with me (or any potential scumread) and resolve an issue prior to waiting and finding an excuse to scumread me.
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On January 26 2015 09:19 Toadesstern wrote:directed at me? Null. Wasn't the same "I don't give a fuck" you had in yours, as well as being made after I told the thread that I liked your innitial vote. Sure I didn't explain why I liked it despite it being a horrible vote at that time but being the 2nd one to do something like that, especially after I point it out like that, is a lot easier than being the first to do it, so no towniepoints for that. So nothing really
On January 27 2015 01:27 Toadesstern wrote:I'd be happy if some of you guys unvoted GB for now. It's an instant majority game and I don't feel confident in going forwards to lynch anyone right now so please let me have more time to read and interact with people. In particularly I'd like to hear some thoughts, particularly from VE and Palmar on Eden and his behavior yesterday + Show Spoiler [my thoughts, spoiler for readability] +so like I said, his innitial read on GB was bullshit but I didn't mind it that much. It boiled down to him not checking timestamps and if he's really on a party phoneposting no way in hell is he reading carefully enough for that. He then continued to get more pressure and started to post garbage like crazy. A lot more drunk, a lot more unreadable than before. And I'm just sitting here thinking about how likely it is that actually happened... For me it's something like this: party - phoneposting - drunk Out of those 3 only 2 work together. If I'm on a party phoneposting I don't get that drunk because I'm reading a mafiagame and posting on my phone. Apparently not that good of a party. If I'm drunk on a party I'm having fun, maybe I'd phonepost something early but if I'm really that drunk because the party's amazing I don't touch my phone anymore and have fun on the party
About VE: I know I said I don't like talking about it... but it just sounds really fake to me. On the other hand, if he actually was drunk he's more likely to overreact like that ... It's just that last game as town I wanted to lynch BH, BH posted pics of his appartment and said he's moving so I didn't lynch him and it was really stupid of me (why would he sign up for a game if he knows he's going to move 2 days after the game starts...) and I don't want that to happen again I liked this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=16#310 from VE he did recently. Liked as in, I think that's something he'd post. I don't really agree with the first part and I am particularly worried that he picked that read as his vote so early when it's quite obvious that GB is perhaps one of the weak points of the playerfield (sry). GB, to me seems like the easy mislynch right now. Could be VE feels a lot stronger about that read the way he phrased it but I don't hold GB to the same standards as I hold most other people in here, so he's getting a pass based from me right now. All in all I'm leaning towards Eden, liancourt and Palmar right now. Lian because like I already mentioned I didn't like the fact that I had to be the one to point at the timestamps of HIS target + somethings bothering me about how he's appearing in here. Can't put my finger on it yet. Palmar mostly by process of elimination because Eden + lian doesn't make sense together. So it all goes back to Show nested quote +It's an instant majority game and I don't feel confident in going forwards to lynch anyone right now so please let me have more time to read and interact with people.
On January 27 2015 07:15 Toadesstern wrote: can someone restate the things that make GB mafia that don't boil down to "he's bad"? I don't care about him being wrong with what he does. I want to see why doing what's wrong is more beneficial for him as mafia than as a townie.
Because I still only see him as the easy mislynch to be honest.
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