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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 26 2015 18:54 GMT
#481
let's vote liancout, he never had a vote on him

##vote liancourt
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 26 2015 18:57 GMT
#482
On January 27 2015 03:48 Toadesstern wrote:
Can you compare my list to yours HTS and tell me where the differences are?
  1. Toad - town
  2. HTS - likely town
    GB - likely town
  3. Palmar - null, maybe slightly town
    VE - null, maybe slightly town
  4. Robik - null, I have no idea
  5. Onegu - null, a bit worse than robik though
  6. Eden1892 - slightly leaning mafia for now
    liancourt - slightly leaning mafia


I know you don't agree with my read on GB. But what about the bottom part of my list? Especially considering that Eden and lian being mafia together makes no sense whatsoever I'd like to get some input on that.


If I had to rank these:

You and VE appear to be town based on everything I'm reading from both of you.
Robik is null leaning town.
Onegu is still null but may be moved down if I don't see more from him (assuming it's still early for the US people).
Palmar is null leaning scum for his nonsensical posts, even if I find them amusing at times.
GlowingBear is definitely scum.

Under review:
Eden - post on page four looks okay, but I don't know why he's jumping on the GB train all of a sudden. Just questioned him on that.
Liancourt - should be posting, if I don't see more from him in a few hours, he'll be moved up my lynch list.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 26 2015 18:58 GMT
#483
On January 27 2015 03:54 Toadesstern wrote:
let's vote liancout, he never had a vote on him

##vote liancourt


Pressure vote?

I am keeping my vote on GB until he gets back to me...
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 26 2015 18:59 GMT
#484
On January 27 2015 03:53 Toadesstern wrote:
VE has two votes in that.


I believe he voted GB first, and then switched to Palmar, but since has said that he's okay with a GB lynch.

So I think VE and GB two votes apiece.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-26 19:01:42
January 26 2015 18:59 GMT
#485
Untouchable Votecount

GlowingBear (2): Half the Sky, IAmRobik, VisceraEyes
IAmRobik (2): GlowingBear, Palmar
Eden1892 (1): liancourt
Toadesstern (0): GlowingBear, liancourt
Palmar (1): VisceraEyes
liancourt (1): Toadesstern

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is in . If no majority is reached before then, the day will be a no lynch.

Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 26 2015 19:01 GMT
#486
EBWOP - Robik and GB two I mean.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 26 2015 19:01 GMT
#487
On January 27 2015 03:54 Toadesstern wrote:
let's vote liancout, he never had a vote on him

##vote liancourt


Lian is in Korea AFAIK. I'd say give another 4h. If he doesn't do jack all, then I think a pressure vote is appropriate then.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 26 2015 19:01 GMT
#488
gb can be mafia because:
- i don't remember why i townread him yesterday lol
- he stopped doing the mind posts thing which if he were really trying out i figured he would be continuing to do
- idk i'm just sheeping people for now leave me alone we're not even close to eod yet


honestly i would really much rather liancourt, but no one's listening
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 26 2015 19:03 GMT
#489
On January 27 2015 03:58 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 03:54 Toadesstern wrote:
let's vote liancout, he never had a vote on him

##vote liancourt


Pressure vote?

I am keeping my vote on GB until he gets back to me...

silly qtpi, it's not a pressure vote if I got and tell him "don't worry, 'tis just a pressure vote"
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 26 2015 19:04 GMT
#490
i actually did have something original about gb that i was typing up. but i decided it was probably not very good

go read on... p8?
where liancourt talked a bunch about toad's opening and statement that he wasn't readable and found it disconcerting
and then gb is like "yeah toad is town! whoo!" in the NEXT post lol
and then after that (p10 i think) gb townreads liancourt for... agreeing with him on toad when they didn't?

idk man it's not great but it adds to the whole "gb is just bsing with his mind notes thing"
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 26 2015 19:05 GMT
#491
anyway we should kill liancourt because his meta argument on me is BS and he hasn't issued a retraction yet

i talked about this multiple times in my last posts yesterday evening and fuckin everyone ignored me so im gonna be obnoxious and requote them
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 26 2015 19:05 GMT
#492
On January 26 2015 12:07 Eden1892 wrote:
I mean the liancourt thing though
He says he scumread me for being different than before but last game we played I was mafia. How is his reason making sense? And I even explain how I was different.
Dont ignore this please. I will come back to it if people do until they stop. This is a good point. liancourt is just looking for excuse to scumread me with that read

“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 26 2015 19:05 GMT
#493
On January 26 2015 13:04 Eden1892 wrote:
Coming-down-Magic was fun but not for why you'd think it would be.

Anyway I am back and I ?hope? of sound mind and judgment.

I feel like my liancourt read was still pretty coherent. Maybe not in execu-- no, definitely not in execution, but at least in the logic. Let me try to explain it with a little more clarity of mind.

My play style was different from both games he's seen from me, and I was mafia in one and town in the other. At the very least he's obscuring the truth by citing Imperial as the inspiration for his read without making any mention of the fact that my play is different from the time he saw me play mafiasided. I feel like a townie would make mention of this and try to give the other player a fair shake instead of simply going "different from this town game therefore mafia!" while ignoring the equally-important "different from this mafia game therefore ???"

I also kinda felt like it was a cheap shot trying this kind of obscurantist read while I wasn't quite at full mental capacity, but to be fair it's not his fault that I decided to try new alcohol right before he gave his reads. Idk maybe it's unfair to hold that to him, but I felt like it was more sinister than a misunderstanding or error.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 26 2015 19:09 GMT
#494
Toad,

I looked at Lian and Eden exchange. Highly doubt both are scum, since double bussing is unlikely D1. Lian had one good post that drove discussion (the unreadable post on you) but after that

Lian's meta or a trait is that when he votes someone he generally is confident in his reads to the point he will not explain them. Which is part of the problem here. He is scumreading Eden on meta for what I can tell, but I don't like that because some of us here have not played with Eden, and he doesn't seem to be pushing him except questioning the OMGUS part.

If one of the two were scum, and if I had to make a bet based on what I'm reading so far, I'd say Lian over Eden for scum, but unlikely both.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 26 2015 19:10 GMT
#495
EBWOP - First paragraph

"......but after that, a lot of one-liners."
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 26 2015 19:10 GMT
#496
Announcement: I am considering releasing the first read I have this game tonight. Stay tuned!
Computer says mafia
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 26 2015 19:11 GMT
#497
On January 27 2015 04:05 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2015 13:04 Eden1892 wrote:
Coming-down-Magic was fun but not for why you'd think it would be.

Anyway I am back and I ?hope? of sound mind and judgment.

I feel like my liancourt read was still pretty coherent. Maybe not in execu-- no, definitely not in execution, but at least in the logic. Let me try to explain it with a little more clarity of mind.

My play style was different from both games he's seen from me, and I was mafia in one and town in the other. At the very least he's obscuring the truth by citing Imperial as the inspiration for his read without making any mention of the fact that my play is different from the time he saw me play mafiasided. I feel like a townie would make mention of this and try to give the other player a fair shake instead of simply going "different from this town game therefore mafia!" while ignoring the equally-important "different from this mafia game therefore ???"

I also kinda felt like it was a cheap shot trying this kind of obscurantist read while I wasn't quite at full mental capacity, but to be fair it's not his fault that I decided to try new alcohol right before he gave his reads. Idk maybe it's unfair to hold that to him, but I felt like it was more sinister than a misunderstanding or error.

I agree in that liancourt feels like he is picking his target and once he has picked that he's writing something about them (because he has to) rather than going with the flow. It should be the other way around, you find something weird and you talk about it no matter who it is, especially early on into d1.

Is he usually the kind of guy that locks on his target and just goes at it?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 26 2015 19:11 GMT
#498
On January 27 2015 03:47 Palmar wrote:
[image loading]


Palmar, again, amusing, but if you want to criticise or even poke fun at how I'm playing the game, why don't you just say so exactly what you think I'm doing wrong?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 26 2015 19:13 GMT
#499
thanks for reminding me about his omgus accusation

because that's also wrong

he even was so kind as to link to the mafiascum wiki page on omgus which says "it is sometimes used as a shorthand to indicate that you are voting for someone primarily because they voted for you."

i didn't vote him, firstly, and secondly i suspected him because his read on me was a half-truth that i felt was deliberately obscuring facts about my meta. reducing it to "he suspects me because i suspect him" is... also obscuring facts, more blatantly

whether or not his meta is "vote for his suspect and not explain himself," until his reads are based in fact instead of obscurantism he's my target
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 26 2015 19:13 GMT
#500
On January 27 2015 04:11 Toadesstern wrote:
Is he usually the kind of guy that locks on his target and just goes at it?


Yes.

Liancourt's town play in Carol (he was the veteran in that game) was a PERFECT example of this. He was criticised for not being convincing, he pissed away 4 cycles yelling at people his reads, particularly to lynch Holyflare but people ignored him. He was right but failed to be convincing.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
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