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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 26 2015 22:33 GMT
#541
On January 27 2015 07:18 Eden1892 wrote:
I can't, I was just sheeping.

Pop quiz time.
Who can name something of relevance that Onegu has done this game?

The answer key is below, please don't peek until y
[spoiler]


At this point in time, he needs to pick it up. I remember the list post but that's about it.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 26 2015 22:35 GMT
#542
FFS Palmar where is this substantial post you have promised us earlier today?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 26 2015 22:35 GMT
#543
On January 27 2015 07:27 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 07:20 IAmRobik wrote:
On January 27 2015 07:15 Toadesstern wrote:
can someone restate the things that make GB mafia that don't boil down to "he's bad"?
I don't care about him being wrong with what he does. I want to see why doing what's wrong is more beneficial for him as mafia than as a townie.

Because I still only see him as the easy mislynch to be honest.

His case on me is that I wasn't posting thus I'm mafia. I started posting. He continues to say I'm mafia for meta reasons, even though I've since broken that meta. Thus he's just making shit up and doesn't have any actual thoughts on analysis. Especially since all he does is talk about me. Additionally, he has made 4 posts today that amount to "i'm going afk be back later," which I find inherently scummy.

first sentence: He is bad
second+third sentence: well... that's him being bad because he told you about it if he really thinks that way
He shouldn't have done that. We'll have to see what he posts in the next couple hours.
fourth+ sentence: he has only made 4 posts ever since (trusting you on this) so it's obvious there's not a lot of actualy thoughts on analysis.

how is "I'm going afk be back later" something inherently scummy?
HTS has said something along those lines multiple times. I don't see you all over her (pun might be intended)
I actually do that a lot as well depending on my mood, as all three alignments.

See the thing is -- the first sentence is probably valid, but a townie recognizes that my posting has changed since he made that statement and he hasn't adjusted his read, which is scummy, not "bad". Well bad too. Plus, he just played a game with me where I was the cop and didn't play d1 because of New Years and became way more active after that and he tried to meta read me as mafia based off of me playing similarly to how i played as the cop, but i couldn't be the cop since there are no roles thus i have to be mafia. DAFUQ KINDA READ IS THAT. Especially since I was town and ended up with a 30+ page filter anyway, 3rd highest in the game, having lived 2 days shorter than total game time.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 26 2015 22:36 GMT
#544
On January 27 2015 07:35 Half the Sky wrote:
FFS Palmar where is this substantial post you have promised us earlier today?

Where did I promise a substantial post?
Computer says mafia
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12972 Posts
January 26 2015 22:38 GMT
#545
Untouchable Votecount

GlowingBear (2): Half the Sky, IAmRobik, VisceraEyes
IAmRobik (1): GlowingBear, Palmar
Eden1892 (1): liancourt
Toadesstern (1): GlowingBear, liancourt, Palmar
Palmar (1): VisceraEyes
liancourt (1): Toadesstern

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is in . If no majority is reached before then, the day will be a no lynch.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 26 2015 22:38 GMT
#546
On January 27 2015 07:36 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 07:35 Half the Sky wrote:
FFS Palmar where is this substantial post you have promised us earlier today?

Where did I promise a substantial post?


Not those words per se, but something of interest to driving discussion in the game.

On January 27 2015 04:10 Palmar wrote:
Announcement: I am considering releasing the first read I have this game tonight. Stay tuned!


Unless it was that damned troll vote on Toad.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 26 2015 22:38 GMT
#547
THIS POST IS FOR PALMAR'S EYES ONLY:

+ Show Spoiler +
Do you think it's scummier or townier for people to get frustrated with you? (HTS/Toad)
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 26 2015 22:40 GMT
#548
On January 27 2015 07:30 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 07:18 Eden1892 wrote:
Pop quiz time.
Who can name something of relevance that Onegu has done this game?

The answer key is below, please don't peek until you've guessed.
+ Show Spoiler +
Nothing


Actually, would lynch this guy too.

HOLY SHIT. I JUST HAD AN EPIPHANY.

So GB and Onegu have both essentially done what Ritoky did in the previous game we played.

GB is making lists with little substance.
I didn't read all of Onegu's posts, but I remember one where he calls me town for being scummy. THIS IS LITERALLY THE EXACT WORDS THAT RITOKY USED IN THAT GAME IN HIS LIST POST:


Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 13:33 ritoky wrote:
finally caught up in the thread, don't have a lot of time because new years is a busy day in the ER; just gonna copy/paste my notes in the thread; sorry i can't be more engaged:

note - trying not to null read anyone from this point forward, list everyone as town or scum unless they haven't posted

koshi - his wording in certain cases seems like he is trying to appease (i.e. "TheChyz is not scummy to me. I am not saying he is a townread but the case Dr.H. makes is not how I read Chyz." and other cases of not saying people's alignment ex: calling me and drh meh), says needs something new and fresh doesn't make it happen. mafia pile

gb - did his "not reading the thread" shtick which he did as town twice before, done nothing else. town pile

*geript - start of game was town: jokes, prodding, pushing for answers, calling someone's case horrible. did mafia thing where promised information in terms of meta reads on people, hasn't delivered. dunno why, think this post is super town: "At some point yah. But I'd like to have a read on most of the people in the game. There's way too many inactives right now. Maybe when I reread I'll realize I'm being dumb idk. We'll see." could be wrong, look into again later. town pile for now*

artanis - asking questions, pushing for answers to his questions, him being "torn" about chyz seems a little odd not enough to worry now, but watch to see how that read develops. town pile

lazer - says won't lynch drh, then null reads me for essentially the same reason. makes not very much sense. has a torn sentiment on geript like me and skeptical of koshi like me. could be wrong, but read too strange. mafia pile

marv - supposedly great town player, managed 2nd page of filter while doing remarkably little. read on me seems lazy and inaccurate. mafia pile

^jat - bleeding town out of every orofice. town pile^

*robik - made it to almost 2 pages of his filter while complaining about not having time to play, could have spent time playing. promises to wreck, worth waiting until tomorrow to see because strong town player. town pile*

thechyz - posts seem incredibly honest...can't place finger on it. could be slight donkey, but really seemed concerned about thread direction. snap omgus'd drH, which seems more town responsive in the context. town pile

palmar - agree with lots of his reads, don't like excuses. town pile

damdred - has a non-lazy meta read on me as opposed to marv. pushing thread in productive direction and correcting others for misrepresenting people's arguments. town pile

*batsnacks - someone (look up later) said batsnacks has been playing differently. seems like same town batsnacks to me. could have bad read on him. town pile*

SL - bizarre play. seemed to be trying to defuse me and drH arguing early, has weird interaction where he demands i have a read on him, when i don't. formulates a bunch of random thoughts in regards to me not remembering previous game. no idea what he is talking about in the slightest. none of his other reads are formulated in a coherent way, done nothing townie. mafia pile

vivax - no post

*kels - evolving reads, when i was mafia last game with him had static reads that didn't change much of the game, currently his reads seem more fluid, probably town or got better at mafia. this was the guy who said bats playing differently, watch that read. town pile*

ritoky - town jesus

drH - guy contradicting himself all over the place. stupid policy crap, doesn't follow through. forgotten about it entirely at this point. no idea what he is doing. dumpster case on chyz, pot calling kettle black. calling out for hypocrisy not because he is actually scum. has largest filter, probably town unfortunately. is most likely donkey, be wary of his reads they may be bad. town pile

eden - town town town. giving reads unprovoked, not folding when pressured, commenting when unsolicited. seems invested in reads makes very good point about the timing of chyz's post and people exploiting it to get a read on chyz even though the situation had kinda already defused itself. town pile

*rebirth - "i'm here guys! notice me senpai!" into nothing. scum pile for now*

superbia - no post


Show nested quote +
On January 26 2015 14:22 Onegu wrote:
Ok GB is town mafia isn't going to post notes like that.

Toad is being thread mayor town for now.

Robik also most likely town, stupid for scum to come in and drop a huge dump in thread.

Eden no idea I can't read drunk people with a buzz myself.

Liancort mentions me and palmar but not VE. That's fairly suspicious to me.

The chick hasn't posted much worthwhile either, but that face palm was hella funny.

Palmar VE I miss you ok that is all I can think of for now

Goodnight


Bolded are the reads on me. Both of them end up calling me town because they know I'm town but do so after saying that I'm scummy.

Also, GB's post looks mighty similar to Ritoky's, where he forces himself to include/"read" everyone.

Show nested quote +
On January 26 2015 10:21 GlowingBear wrote:
GB's 1st Mindnotes

(disclaimer: this is something new I'm trying to keep track of my thoughts)

1. IAmRobik
+ Show Spoiler +
Argh


2. Onegu
+ Show Spoiler +
I don't like this post + Show Spoiler +
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=6#102
because it just seems that he just posted to comment on something without having clear intention to discover alignments. Potentially scum.

I also don't like this post of his + Show Spoiler +
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#127
because he just says to me that the vote is horrible and that the opening is null. See, he is just commenting: he doesn't say why that post can come from both alignments, he doesn't try to understand my reasoning why reading Toad as scum and he doesn't have any conclusion on my attitude. He just... comments.

Again, Onegu just comments with a single "lol" + Show Spoiler +
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#139
. This is bad.


3. GlowingBear
+ Show Spoiler +
Adorable


4. Eden1892
+ Show Spoiler +
Too jokey for like 4 pages long. Could be scum.


5. liancourt
+ Show Spoiler +
EXACTLY MY THOUGHTS ABOUT TOAD'S ENTRANCE + Show Spoiler +
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=8#143
. Probably town.


6. Palmar
+ Show Spoiler +
Playing DotA


7. VisceraEyes
+ Show Spoiler +
Cool beard


8. Toadesstern
+ Show Spoiler +

I hated his entrance + Show Spoiler +
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=5#95
because it's a lot of fluff with him saying that he shouldn't be lynched. Directly scummy because he arguing asking to not be lynched day1. Indirectly townie because "would scum be this obvious?".

But then, he wrote this post + Show Spoiler +
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#134
which sounded townie to me because (i) he had no reason to townread me for that if he was mafia, he could just go against me, and (ii) he had fair reasons to read me as town (in other words, he is trying to solve alignments by evaluating posts through mafia/town perspectives). Preliminary townpass.


9. Half the Sky
+ Show Spoiler +
I hate this post + Show Spoiler +
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=5#98
because Toads entrance was really scummy and giving a townread because someone is having fun can never be a reason to townread someone. Just look at Artanis play at Imperial, completely relaxed, and any Slam's scumgame. Felt like possible mafia not knowing how to interpret an entrance and saying it looks townie because her view is already tainted by her perfect information.

INCONSISTENCY ALERT!!!!
Say everyone but lian is leaning town here + Show Spoiler +
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#140
but still haven't tried to figure out lian's alignment by pushing him yet. BUT thinks my entrance is horrible and puts suspicions on me here + Show Spoiler +
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#125

Where did those suspicions go? Weird.


Townreads so far:
Toadsteem
liancourt


Possible scums (in order):
Eden
HTS
Onegu


Also interesting that he spoils it. It might be confirmation bias, but I think that he expects no one to read it, which is why he spoils it. Like, who the fuck is actually gonna open 9 spoils. I opened the first one, saw his read on me, laughed to myself and then moved on.

Eh, I feel like there are town and mafia interpretations for GlowingBear's list. Seems like if I were in his shoes, I'd not repeat the list-with-forced-reads thing if I could avoid it since it led (eventually) to ritoky being caught, y'know? Or at least, all else equal, made him a little more suspicious.

The Onegu thing interests me more and I think is more on-point.

Additionally, GlowingBear for all of his "brb XYZ" or "afk ABC" posts you cite, has at least made an effort to have thread presence. Token effort, maybe, if he is mafia, but at least he's tried. Onegu hasn't done even that.

I would probably still lynch GB over a random other player not named liancourt/Onegu since two of my townreads (you and HTS) are pretty sure on him, but he's maybe third on my list. Really thinking liancourt/Onegu is the way to go right now.

I'm definitely not lynching Toad, Robik or HTS today. Palmar is 4th on my list for deliberately abdicating thread presence and Viscera is 5th cause he's not me or my town reads but he's better than the other 4. gg



Palmar what three words? I feel like you're still goofing off here.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 26 2015 22:40 GMT
#549
ROFL PALMAR PLS
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 26 2015 22:40 GMT
#550
On January 27 2015 07:38 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 07:36 Palmar wrote:
On January 27 2015 07:35 Half the Sky wrote:
FFS Palmar where is this substantial post you have promised us earlier today?

Where did I promise a substantial post?


Not those words per se, but something of interest to driving discussion in the game.

Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 04:10 Palmar wrote:
Announcement: I am considering releasing the first read I have this game tonight. Stay tuned!


Unless it was that damned troll vote on Toad.

No VE is probably town.
Computer says mafia
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 26 2015 22:41 GMT
#551
Robik

I cheated on you.
I read the post meant for Palmar.
Can I answer it or is a menage-a-trois not your thing right now
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 26 2015 22:41 GMT
#552
On January 27 2015 07:32 Half the Sky wrote:
2 On page 14, my issue with him was that he did not interact with me despite seeing something that he found scummy about me. As town he should directly try to interact with me (or any potential scumread) and resolve an issue prior to waiting and finding an excuse to scumread me.


Also Toad, I realised I forgot one key sentence in here - both GB and I were in the thread AT THE SAME TIME and even responding to each other at that. That's what makes the lack of interaction a scumlike behaviour.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 26 2015 22:42 GMT
#553
Alright I'm here reading up now.
Try TL Mafia!!!
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 26 2015 22:43 GMT
#554
@My friend Robik.

I do not think there is a single simple answer to that question??? ::::
Computer says mafia
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 26 2015 22:43 GMT
#555
On January 27 2015 07:38 IAmRobik wrote:
THIS POST IS FOR PALMAR'S EYES ONLY:

+ Show Spoiler +
Do you think it's scummier or townier for people to get frustrated with you? (HTS/Toad)


I realise that Palmar is trying to be amusing, and I appreciate him having a laugh about things, but we're on page 28 of this thread now...
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 26 2015 22:43 GMT
#556
On January 27 2015 07:41 Eden1892 wrote:
Robik

I cheated on you.
I read the post meant for Palmar.
Can I answer it or is a menage-a-trois not your thing right now

+ Show Spoiler +
i want plammmar to answer because I want to see if he's doing it intentionally to get reads on people, if he's doing it because he's bored town, or if he's doing it because he didn't want to roll mafia.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 26 2015 22:44 GMT
#557
On January 27 2015 07:43 Palmar wrote:
@My friend Robik.

I do not think there is a single simple answer to that question??? ::::

You can give me two complicated answers then.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 26 2015 22:44 GMT
#558
On January 27 2015 07:38 IAmRobik wrote:
THIS POST IS FOR PALMAR'S EYES ONLY:

+ Show Spoiler +
Do you think it's scummier or townier for people to get frustrated with you? (HTS/Toad)

it's a sign of how many games people have played with him / how long people know him. I'd expect most new guys to be annoyed at Palmar... and well VE is VE. He's always annoyed at something.

That being said, I have to admit that while I did read GlowinBears spoilers I was too lazy to actually click the links inside the spoilers inside the spoilers (wtf...) and went just over it like "ya ya fine" most of the time. I re-read the case from HTS on page 14 though and like some of the points more now that I've checked the links as well. Gimme some time for that.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 26 2015 22:44 GMT
#559
EBWOP - Not to mention he could be in theory be doing this as either alignment. But because I've seen him be constructive before, I'm still (leaning) scumreading him.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 26 2015 22:44 GMT
#560
only robik gets to read this.
+ Show Spoiler +
ok. i actually didn't have anything worth saying here right now, but secret messages are cool. don't tell plumber that he looks fat in his overalls
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
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