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On December 09 2014 23:45 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 23:26 Koshi wrote:
LightningStrike,
Could you explain to the people who were not in Campus mafia, why you are towreading OWS and FF?
As town you should help others to form reads as well. It is not useful for us that you have a bunch of "I once played with this guy and after 5 posts in this game I can already see he plays similar to that one time I played with his so my conclusion is he is town". Reads like this doesn't convince me that OWS and FF are town. It doesn't convince anybody and just makes you look bad.
So can you spend 5-10 lines on why OWS and FF their play are similar to Campus mafia. And then add another 5 lines on why it is impossible that OWS and FF are mimicking their townplay as scum.
Because I have played a ton of games with OWS already and the way he is playing atm he can easily pull off as scum.
FF had a similar opening of trolling a tiny bit but he steering away from that asking some decent questions which he did also in Campus Mafia. FF as town does this type of behavior as seen here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469857-campus-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome?user=FecalFeastHe feels townie too this game in my opinion with the way he questioning stuff after the trolling. OWS I might just be bias here but he had to replace KSC who acted scummy counter claiming my cop claim and he tried his best to make a town image in that game. I know he not posting a lot but I will look foward to seeing him post more to confirm my read plus it his play style as seen on Russia Today http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471815-russia-today-mini-mafia?user=ObiWanShinobiI stand firm on them being because their play styles is very similar currently are similar to their town style of play at the moment as seen in their filters of their town games I linked to their filter so I don't think they can be scum this game if they posted similar to their town play style that all I can say.
Thx. You sound sincere. Good stuff.
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On December 09 2014 23:23 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 11:59 rsoultin wrote:On December 09 2014 11:54 sicklucker wrote:On December 09 2014 11:49 The_Templar wrote:On December 09 2014 11:48 sicklucker wrote:
Oh shit. Ya I missed that part I was fishing and trolling for info on who the other Joyful Child were because I figured only we knew presents were in the game because I missed that part. I thought damdred and gb were the other two, I still kinda think they are oh well. Who wants a present.
Ok so we all know theres 3 presents in the game. But what I know is that its the Joyful Child role that has these presents. No one else can be sure of this as its not said in the description. But Damdred and gb sent out little tells that told me they were this role.I might have been wrong so ill reread it later but I think their the other giftgivers and therefore town.
Also Ive been up 20 hours and dont rly feel like playing much right now but the insomnia might have kicked in. I am 98% sure that any role can get presents, as far as we know. Think about it the Joyful Child role has no description but it is a role its basically vanilla town 2.0. I have a present and im a joyful child it adds up. Its pretty obvious. Im pretty sure something dandred said makes me ride or die with him maybe gb too. Let me look it up. Lol, dude, sad part is I actually believe you. You would be the type to get a present and think it's just for you, regardless of what palmar said xP But dontcha know, children are supposed to get presents, not give them. ##unvote I've got my read after this post, Meow. This kind of read on SL seems ok to me. That's how I see SL too. I don't see mafia motivation behind this post, but just a guy who simply posts what comes to his mind, which looks to me like a town trait.
Alright, seems reasonable.
What's your take on LightningStrike who's been under some serious questioning recently?
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On December 09 2014 23:39 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 23:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Koshi, why Templar "paying attention" is something so relevant to you? Second time you ask me about my Templar read. Why? Is Templar not paying attention to the thread? If you think I made a mistake as scum for typing "Templar is paying attention" I would like to hear your thought process behind that idea. Really, you are focusing on the most ridiculous things.
I don't remember you answering the first time, so I've asked it again.
If he is actually paying attention or not isn't relevant. What is relevant is that you make a list of people who made memorable things and you say that not being memorable is a bad thing to you.
"He is paying attention" isn't a memorable thing, IMO. It just sounded like you were trying to take him out of a possible lynch list without actually having any good reason, which looks scummy to me.
That's why I want to understand why paying attention is on thing me or able to youZ
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On December 09 2014 23:48 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 23:26 LightningStrike wrote:On December 09 2014 23:19 LoneMeow wrote:On December 09 2014 23:17 LightningStrike wrote:On December 09 2014 23:09 liancourt wrote:On December 09 2014 23:03 LightningStrike wrote:On December 09 2014 22:58 liancourt wrote:On December 09 2014 22:52 LightningStrike wrote:On December 09 2014 22:48 Half the Sky wrote:
Ritoky, haven't gotten a chance to look thoroughly at too many people. Just took a pass at liancourt, spoiler posts are a bit nonsensical unless he's claiming snowman, but we need to see some reads for him soon otherwise he's going to fall very quickly into the lurker pile. Not good. liancourt posts do seem a little odd but it just might be his meta that's all I can think of him. I havent played with u how would u know my meta Ur assuming things And soft accusing me as scum by saying i m odd totally mafiya traits lynch this scum I not accusing you being scum I just found the behavior odd at best don't charge at me :O Also you did play in Titanic and did do similar traps in Titanic so for now Town read but low. If u read titantic then u shud know how i am playing is normal and not odd and yet u say its odd. u even say i did similar traps and yet u say here that i am odd And ur being defensive and taking a step back saying dont charge at me when i ve only given u the slighest of pressure. Are u one of those mafiya that fall under the smallest pressure Hey i found scum I just found the play style odd because no one else do it don't hate me  I also not mafia I am town I assure you. Less assuring and more finding scum. My read on Fecalfeast: On December 09 2014 21:15 LoneMeow wrote:FecalfeastOn December 09 2014 09:12 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 09 2014 09:07 Alakaslam wrote:On December 09 2014 09:03 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 09 2014 08:59 Alakaslam wrote:
Calvin, Calvin, calvin.
Boobs and full length high heels and Jesus was born in summer Constant stream of nothing from you after already saying you're doing it for WIFOM. You'll run out of posts very soon at this rate. Why are you fishing for marley specifically? Thou'rt thick あなたは既にルールを破って、リングの外に辞任した。なぜあなたはまだ戦うためにしようとしている I thought being thick was a prerequisite for sumo. "You are already breaking the rules , resigned to the outside of the ring . Why are trying to order you still fight" No rules were established beforehand but if you don't want to fite I wont force you. I was about to comment on the 27NB post but HF beat me to it. Her 'easy scum read' is in her scum pile because only scum is looking for easy scum reads... This is the entirety of what he has had to say about 27ninjabunnies who I assume is his best scum read given where his vote is. Most of the filter after this point is setup talk, fluff and claiming talk. Into the leaning scum pile you go. You had opposite read, so clearly I'm wrong. Please point out why my analysis is incorrect. FF plays very similar to his game on Campus where I thought he was scum but he wasn't. He also got some decent questions. The meta again, sigh. What I really wanted you to do is comment on my read. According to you it must be wrong, so can you please explain what you disagree with in it?
Okay the setup talk after the post you had in your Quote on your read on FF was because he trying to get proof of sicklucker getting the present and baiting sicklucker to pass it to him which seems like a townie act for this setup or so I think. I don't think we know what present it is from in this set up but his intentions were town based at least I think it is town based. If he was scum he would know if it was from the Mass Murderer thus he wouldn't ask for that present from him that's all.
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Whoops text and drive isn't only dangerous, but also makes incomprehensible texts.
"That's why I want to understand why Templar paying attention is something memorable to you"
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Holy Moses.
I didn't think I was such a slow reader but it's been hours and I feel I will never catch up to the thread while taking notes also. I'm trying to get reads, but they are conflicting with people who I feel are pretty freaking smart sounding. Namely, Koshi and Xata.
Koshi, since you are here can you tell me more about your HTS read? I feel I'm fairly null/town on her. Namely, I believe that Froggy's plynch statement isn't meaningful. Bunny latches and basically posts it's probably bad but she thinks it's ok. Then scum lists Froggy. Then several people jump on her and later Dam asks HTS about the Froggy/plynch read. HTS replies that it's null on his part but Bunnies scum listing is scummy. HTS doesn't seem to scumlist Froggy. Then a bunch more people argue (kelsierSC, Bats, Viv others). I'd like to know why I should elevate the signifigance of HTS's reads and downplay Bunny's?
Also I think people should read this more closely from the OP:
On December 04 2014 19:32 Palmar wrote:Setup Information All the roles below can be present in the game, and no role has any sort of a guarantee that it exists in the game. There may for example be three Ghosts of Christmas Yet To Come, no other Ghosts and no Scrooge, yet Marley might be present. In the same sense, there may be Disgruntled Christmas Workers without any Santas or Branch Managers. There may also be multiple instances of the same role.
It appears that given bad enough RNG we could have 6 Marlows, or 6 Mass Murderers, or 0.
Which makes me wonder why we had a Scrooge claim?? It makes me wonder if any claims will matter as we can have multiples...so why not counterclaim?
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On December 09 2014 23:55 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 23:23 GlowingBear wrote:On December 09 2014 11:59 rsoultin wrote:On December 09 2014 11:54 sicklucker wrote:On December 09 2014 11:49 The_Templar wrote:On December 09 2014 11:48 sicklucker wrote:
Oh shit. Ya I missed that part I was fishing and trolling for info on who the other Joyful Child were because I figured only we knew presents were in the game because I missed that part. I thought damdred and gb were the other two, I still kinda think they are oh well. Who wants a present.
Ok so we all know theres 3 presents in the game. But what I know is that its the Joyful Child role that has these presents. No one else can be sure of this as its not said in the description. But Damdred and gb sent out little tells that told me they were this role.I might have been wrong so ill reread it later but I think their the other giftgivers and therefore town.
Also Ive been up 20 hours and dont rly feel like playing much right now but the insomnia might have kicked in. I am 98% sure that any role can get presents, as far as we know. Think about it the Joyful Child role has no description but it is a role its basically vanilla town 2.0. I have a present and im a joyful child it adds up. Its pretty obvious. Im pretty sure something dandred said makes me ride or die with him maybe gb too. Let me look it up. Lol, dude, sad part is I actually believe you. You would be the type to get a present and think it's just for you, regardless of what palmar said xP But dontcha know, children are supposed to get presents, not give them. ##unvote I've got my read after this post, Meow. This kind of read on SL seems ok to me. That's how I see SL too. I don't see mafia motivation behind this post, but just a guy who simply posts what comes to his mind, which looks to me like a town trait. Alright, seems reasonable. What's your take on LightningStrike who's been under some serious questioning recently?
I'm still not reading the thread closely so I don't know what's going on. I'll be doing it after half of the day. I'm just gathering information for now.
What is questionable on his play this game?
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2 people haven't posted in this game at all yet, useful -.-
Oats, your post on vivax is wrong and your post refuting that wasn't in any english I could understand.
Ls looks not bad to me, dunno why people are hating on him giving all the meta when loads of other people do the same. Ritoky seems angry for some reason because of this??
Obi still being useless, just because he was useless last game (russian) as town doesn't stop him being able to be useless this game as mafia. It just means he's useless which increases the odds of him being mafia.
Kush.. Meh will resolve itself i think
Gb hasn't really done anything but hasn't done anything outrageously wrong like I'd expect him to as town but his picking on solely koshi and like nothing else is wearing thin and is pretty scummy
I dunno feel kinda iffy about hts after reading the things about kush feels a bit too flippant
New list oats, obi, (gb?) bunnies
Mehhhhbe/mehhhhbe not: hts, kush
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On December 09 2014 22:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Since people were asking for my explanation why certain people are town in my eyes here they are atm
HF: He seemed to start a discussion and tried to move people in a town direction to get scum.
Templar: He may have a silly story telling but inside it he seemed to be town but it just my inexperience playing with him that might fool me.
OWS: I played with him once in Campus Mafia only and he had to replace someone and he seemed to post similar to how he replaced the person in that game.
Slam: Slam posting is completely different when he played scum in Titanic Mafia so I confident he is town this game.
Damdred: Damdred is also trying to lead the discussions with HF which normally a Scum wouldn't do so I got him on my list for that.
rsoultin: Newer player to this site and only played with him once but he was town and he seemed to act the same way he did when he was town.
FF: He doing similar shenanigans as he did in Campus Mafia when he was town when I played with him so I trust he is town atm.
Now for my null reads
27ninja: Something seems fishy with him but I can't explain it but at the same time I cant put in town unless I get mwore posts from him.
HTS: Doesn't seem like himself when he was townie in a game and I can't really put him on the scum atm because he might be more conservative for this game than in his last game.
Ritoky: I never played with him before so I trying to still figure him out but he seemed to question more on people voting than leading anything.
Now for my scumlist
sicklucker: Normally sicklucker likes to do weird shenanigans to force everyones town read that are normally awkward and this game he doesn't seem to be doing that.
I DID EXACTLY THIS. I dont think hes reading the thread boys. Let me catch up. I was about to say peoples early case on me was pretty good because of my meta and how I was playing but hes still voting for me so...
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Koshi this freaks me out:
27ninjabunnies is posting horrendous. Please shape up. I can’t even blame people having her as only scumread because her posting is so scummy. Is playing scum 101. People who have experience playing the game would only play this scummy as town not paying attention to their own scumminess. I would still lynch her as a policy lynch. Not acceptable play.
This is the sort of thing mafia writes.
If something looks like scum, smells like scum, it's not most likely town cause it has game experience. There's no read progression in what happened there. And you don't touch upon the arguments used against her and interpret them on your own. Very lazy way of deciding about someone's alignment.
Let me recap 27nb:
I'm not brushing it off, I' trying to look at it objectively. I think what he said makes sense. A. I know what he said. I said he was talking about policy lynching and lurkers. I never specifically said what he thought about it.
I don't think it's scummy. I think people are making something scummy out of nothing.
Ummm no, In every game I have played, people always first attack the guy who talks about policy lynching and lurkers, whether doing it is bad or good. The same thing is happening this game. I don't think it is alignment indicative for froggy. I would need him to talk more to get a read. I'm just saying that there's no sense in attacking someone for something that seems "scummy" when it isn't. It seems off to everyone else, which is why people are targeting him, you get what I'm saying?
Templar Town
Damdred Town
Slam semitownie
Those I need to look more at:
HF
Vivax
Kelsier
Iffy:
Froggy [She just said she didn't have anything alignment indicative on him, wtf is iffy about him? Nothing. It's the fact that HF and Templar are bombarding her about it. This read is purely strategic, heat built up cause of her disagreeing, and she tries to get it off by agreeing.].
Kita (I expected more than just hey)
Fecal
When I compare her reactions to mine:
- She adapts the read based on pressure, if she found froggy iffy for something else then she didn't mention that thing in all that time, and it can't be the argument she found not alignment-indicative. Instead she claims to have found him iffy but felt like defending him which is also a scum point.
- I don't change my opinion about froggy when pressured, simply cause it was really my opinion and I saw no arguments being strong enough against it. He was null from the start for that post and I wasn't going to judge him for it.
On the other hand I didn't scumread bunnies until she wrote that small list where froggy ended up being iffy for no reason at all except for her trying to align her read with the attackers.
Anyway I'm voting her for today.
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So? How can you not be stiff for someone who reps to be able to bus his entire mafia team?
More por favor
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On December 10 2014 00:11 Holyflare wrote:
2 people haven't posted in this game at all yet, useful -.-
Oats, your post on vivax is wrong and your post refuting that wasn't in any english I could understand.
Ls looks not bad to me, dunno why people are hating on him giving all the meta when loads of other people do the same. Ritoky seems angry for some reason because of this??
Obi still being useless, just because he was useless last game (russian) as town doesn't stop him being able to be useless this game as mafia. It just means he's useless which increases the odds of him being mafia.
Kush.. Meh will resolve itself i think
Gb hasn't really done anything but hasn't done anything outrageously wrong like I'd expect him to as town but his picking on solely koshi and like nothing else is wearing thin and is pretty scummy
I dunno feel kinda iffy about hts after reading the things about kush feels a bit too flippant
New list oats, obi, (gb?) bunnies
Mehhhhbe/mehhhhbe not: hts, kush
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
THAT'S MEAN.
But for some reason, it makes me town read you.
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Tempted to vote Holyflare for calling me useless.
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On December 10 2014 00:12 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 22:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Since people were asking for my explanation why certain people are town in my eyes here they are atm
HF: He seemed to start a discussion and tried to move people in a town direction to get scum.
Templar: He may have a silly story telling but inside it he seemed to be town but it just my inexperience playing with him that might fool me.
OWS: I played with him once in Campus Mafia only and he had to replace someone and he seemed to post similar to how he replaced the person in that game.
Slam: Slam posting is completely different when he played scum in Titanic Mafia so I confident he is town this game.
Damdred: Damdred is also trying to lead the discussions with HF which normally a Scum wouldn't do so I got him on my list for that.
rsoultin: Newer player to this site and only played with him once but he was town and he seemed to act the same way he did when he was town.
FF: He doing similar shenanigans as he did in Campus Mafia when he was town when I played with him so I trust he is town atm.
Now for my null reads
27ninja: Something seems fishy with him but I can't explain it but at the same time I cant put in town unless I get mwore posts from him.
HTS: Doesn't seem like himself when he was townie in a game and I can't really put him on the scum atm because he might be more conservative for this game than in his last game.
Ritoky: I never played with him before so I trying to still figure him out but he seemed to question more on people voting than leading anything.
Now for my scumlist
sicklucker: Normally sicklucker likes to do weird shenanigans to force everyones town read that are normally awkward and this game he doesn't seem to be doing that. I DID EXACTLY THIS. I dont think hes reading the thread boys. Let me catch up. I was about to say peoples early case on me was pretty good because of my meta and how I was playing but hes still voting for me so...
Was your present thing the Shenanigans because if so nice bait as last game.
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Vivax why is your view of the game so narrow?
Other reads, plx.
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If I had a gun, I'd shoot Holyflare right now.
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On December 10 2014 00:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
If I had a gun, I'd shoot Holyflare right now.
He's most likely town...
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On December 10 2014 00:10 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 23:55 LoneMeow wrote:On December 09 2014 23:23 GlowingBear wrote:On December 09 2014 11:59 rsoultin wrote:On December 09 2014 11:54 sicklucker wrote:On December 09 2014 11:49 The_Templar wrote:On December 09 2014 11:48 sicklucker wrote:
Oh shit. Ya I missed that part I was fishing and trolling for info on who the other Joyful Child were because I figured only we knew presents were in the game because I missed that part. I thought damdred and gb were the other two, I still kinda think they are oh well. Who wants a present.
Ok so we all know theres 3 presents in the game. But what I know is that its the Joyful Child role that has these presents. No one else can be sure of this as its not said in the description. But Damdred and gb sent out little tells that told me they were this role.I might have been wrong so ill reread it later but I think their the other giftgivers and therefore town.
Also Ive been up 20 hours and dont rly feel like playing much right now but the insomnia might have kicked in. I am 98% sure that any role can get presents, as far as we know. Think about it the Joyful Child role has no description but it is a role its basically vanilla town 2.0. I have a present and im a joyful child it adds up. Its pretty obvious. Im pretty sure something dandred said makes me ride or die with him maybe gb too. Let me look it up. Lol, dude, sad part is I actually believe you. You would be the type to get a present and think it's just for you, regardless of what palmar said xP But dontcha know, children are supposed to get presents, not give them. ##unvote I've got my read after this post, Meow. This kind of read on SL seems ok to me. That's how I see SL too. I don't see mafia motivation behind this post, but just a guy who simply posts what comes to his mind, which looks to me like a town trait. Alright, seems reasonable. What's your take on LightningStrike who's been under some serious questioning recently? I'm still not reading the thread closely so I don't know what's going on. I'll be doing it after half of the day. I'm just gathering information for now. What is questionable on his play this game?
He has some weirdly strong town reads based on meta only, and his only scum read is sicklucker. Also it has been very difficult to pry some reads that aren't the same meta reads over and over from him.
Looking at his previous games though... I dunno, maybe not the best option for today.
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