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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 09 2014 15:20 GMT
#801
OWS can you tell us your reads and thoughts of the game so far?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
December 09 2014 15:20 GMT
#802
On December 10 2014 00:20 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 00:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
If I had a gun, I'd shoot Holyflare right now.


He's most likely town...


Why?
Retired.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 09 2014 15:20 GMT
#803
On December 09 2014 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 22:41 ritoky wrote:
On December 09 2014 22:30 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 09 2014 22:14 LoneMeow wrote:
LightningStrike, a bunch of stuff has happened since you posted your list post with reads, care to share some updated reads with us now?

Well not much of my reads did change as I did read the thread from where we were last night compared to today and it been mostly the same stuff as why I given them their original reads


Oh really? well let's wait for your one scum read then

On December 09 2014 22:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Since people were asking for my explanation why certain people are town in my eyes here they are atm
HF: He seemed to start a discussion and tried to move people in a town direction to get scum.
Templar: He may have a silly story telling but inside it he seemed to be town but it just my inexperience playing with him that might fool me.
OWS: I played with him once in Campus Mafia only and he had to replace someone and he seemed to post similar to how he replaced the person in that game.
Slam: Slam posting is completely different when he played scum in Titanic Mafia so I confident he is town this game.
Damdred: Damdred is also trying to lead the discussions with HF which normally a Scum wouldn't do so I got him on my list for that.
rsoultin: Newer player to this site and only played with him once but he was town and he seemed to act the same way he did when he was town.
FF: He doing similar shenanigans as he did in Campus Mafia when he was town when I played with him so I trust he is town atm.
Now for my null reads
27ninja: Something seems fishy with him but I can't explain it but at the same time I cant put in town unless I get more posts from him.
HTS: Doesn't seem like himself when he was townie in a game and I can't really put him on the scum atm because he might be more conservative for this game than in his last game.
Ritoky: I never played with him before so I trying to still figure him out but he seemed to question more on people voting than leading anything.
Now for my scumlist
sicklucker: Normally sicklucker likes to do weird shenanigans to force everyones town read that are normally awkward and this game he doesn't seem to be doing that.


your reads:
HF- obvious read that everyone is making
Templar - trying to noob claim
OWS - meta
Slam - meta in a game you didn't even play
Damdred - fine enough
rsoultin - meta
FF - meta
27nb - non-committal
ritoky - wait and see

and then there's sicklucker....you say he hasn't done weird shenanigans, but he literally HAS DONE THOSE THINGS. like this is just a straight lie. if you actually were following the thread you should have very clearly read that he did the things that you should have town read him for. that has clearly changed since your original post, so why hasn't your read?

like your reads are crap, they are primarily meta, they have 0 content, 1 is a straight up lie, and they are stagnant even though a whole lot has happened. i just really cannot believe that this is in any way a town perspective.
HTS - meta

##vote: LightningStrike

I did also play with Slam 1 game when he was scum too that why I basing my reads on him being town from that game and on Titanic and the shenanigans sicklucker normally does isn't the type he doing atm.


Slam was literally. afk that whole game for real life issues. (both slam mafia games happened at the same time and he was double mod killed. But he was their for the start of the other one
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
December 09 2014 15:21 GMT
#804
On December 10 2014 00:20 LightningStrike wrote:
OWS can you tell us your reads and thoughts of the game so far?


I will when I have time. I've got work in like 10 minutes and I'm just checking in to see what's going on.
Retired.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 09 2014 15:21 GMT
#805
By the way, I had a present and I sent it to a player around 12 hours ago, I believe. Please don't reveal yourself but know that you've received it by a townie who isn't named VT.

Bye.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 09 2014 15:22 GMT
#806
On December 10 2014 00:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 00:20 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 10 2014 00:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
If I had a gun, I'd shoot Holyflare right now.


He's most likely town...


Why?


He's open minded. That's not like mafia holyflare.

Althought this "tell" was proven wrong last game, I somehow feel that he is town.
I'm adorable.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 09 2014 15:24 GMT
#807
On December 09 2014 22:51 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 22:47 Xatalos wrote:
On December 09 2014 22:43 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 09 2014 22:38 LoneMeow wrote:
On December 09 2014 22:26 LightningStrike wrote:
FF: He doing similar shenanigans as he did in Campus Mafia when he was town when I played with him so I trust he is town atm.


Since we clearly disagree about Fecalfeast, would you comment on my quite opposite read on him? You don't find it strange at all that he's hardly mentioned the player he's voting at all?

On December 09 2014 22:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Now for my scumlist
sicklucker: Normally sicklucker likes to do weird shenanigans to force everyones town read that are normally awkward and this game he doesn't seem to be doing that.


Also, since you're still calling sicklucker your only scum read I assume you don't buy his claim?




How strong are these town reads? Can you put them in order from strongest to weakest? Would anything change if I told you to completely ignore meta and only make reads based on this game?

Strongest to Weakest in order
HF
Damdred
OWS
FF
rsoultin
Slam
Templar
Also I not buying sicklucker claim because he doesn't seem to be himself on making weird shenanigans early in the game which he does when he was Vanilla Town.


There are two things wrong with that last paragraph.

1) He claimed named VT, not regular VT. So maybe you shouldn't compare to a VT game.
2) His filter kind of does consist of shenanigans.

The shenanigans this game might just be him doing something different from the shenanigans he did in the last 2 games I played with him (Campus and Student) so it could be off because of that.


In game one we didnt even play together I was replaced day two and you were already dead. Also in that game I missed day one and your talking about day 1 meta.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22408 Posts
December 09 2014 15:25 GMT
#808
On December 10 2014 00:10 Tubesock wrote:
Holy Moses.

I didn't think I was such a slow reader but it's been hours and I feel I will never catch up to the thread while taking notes also. I'm trying to get reads, but they are conflicting with people who I feel are pretty freaking smart sounding. Namely, Koshi and Xata.

Koshi, since you are here can you tell me more about your HTS read? I feel I'm fairly null/town on her. Namely, I believe that Froggy's plynch statement isn't meaningful. Bunny latches and basically posts it's probably bad but she thinks it's ok. Then scum lists Froggy. Then several people jump on her and later Dam asks HTS about the Froggy/plynch read. HTS replies that it's null on his part but Bunnies scum listing is scummy. HTS doesn't seem to scumlist Froggy. Then a bunch more people argue (kelsierSC, Bats, Viv others). I'd like to know why I should elevate the signifigance of HTS's reads and downplay Bunny's?

Also I think people should read this more closely from the OP:

Show nested quote +
On December 04 2014 19:32 Palmar wrote:
Setup Information


All the roles below can be present in the game, and no role has any sort of a guarantee that it exists in the game. There may for example be three Ghosts of Christmas Yet To Come, no other Ghosts and no Scrooge, yet Marley might be present. In the same sense, there may be Disgruntled Christmas Workers without any Santas or Branch Managers. There may also be multiple instances of the same role.



It appears that given bad enough RNG we could have 6 Marlows, or 6 Mass Murderers, or 0.

Which makes me wonder why we had a Scrooge claim?? It makes me wonder if any claims will matter as we can have multiples...so why not counterclaim?





This post looks very mafiaish at this stage of the game.

Tube summarizes some stuff about the argument revolving bunnies and then HTS (which I still have to read atm), and asks another player "stuff" about it as if he couldn't judge it on his own, apparently cause it conflicts with his own reads (what are his reads???). Guessing from the post it would be that he's scumreading 27nb but not HTS, cause he's asking Koshi if he should give more priority to HTS instead of 27nb.

This is the sort of post I expect from a mafia who simply divides the game into different "wagon camps" consisting of different players and then works off that instead of genuinely working off arguments and reads. When he has the information, he doesn't know what to do with it in order to start looking townie. So his best bet is to start a discussion about it with some player he deems influential, and then post some random setup related stuff.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 09 2014 15:26 GMT
#809
On December 10 2014 00:11 Holyflare wrote:
2 people haven't posted in this game at all yet, useful -.-

Oats, your post on vivax is wrong and your post refuting that wasn't in any english I could understand.


Vivax called bunnies scum for a superficial reason.
That reason was that bunnies switched to fit in.

However, there is no indication that bunnies intentionally did that. In fact, she doesnt even explain her vote which is townie imo.

Vivax defended bunnies earlier but now is calling her scum.
Its the exact thing he said.

And it looks a ton like he is bandwagoning.

Scummmyyyyy.
No gg, No skill.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 09 2014 15:26 GMT
#810
On December 10 2014 00:24 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 22:51 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 09 2014 22:47 Xatalos wrote:
On December 09 2014 22:43 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 09 2014 22:38 LoneMeow wrote:
On December 09 2014 22:26 LightningStrike wrote:
FF: He doing similar shenanigans as he did in Campus Mafia when he was town when I played with him so I trust he is town atm.


Since we clearly disagree about Fecalfeast, would you comment on my quite opposite read on him? You don't find it strange at all that he's hardly mentioned the player he's voting at all?

On December 09 2014 22:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Now for my scumlist
sicklucker: Normally sicklucker likes to do weird shenanigans to force everyones town read that are normally awkward and this game he doesn't seem to be doing that.


Also, since you're still calling sicklucker your only scum read I assume you don't buy his claim?




How strong are these town reads? Can you put them in order from strongest to weakest? Would anything change if I told you to completely ignore meta and only make reads based on this game?

Strongest to Weakest in order
HF
Damdred
OWS
FF
rsoultin
Slam
Templar
Also I not buying sicklucker claim because he doesn't seem to be himself on making weird shenanigans early in the game which he does when he was Vanilla Town.


There are two things wrong with that last paragraph.

1) He claimed named VT, not regular VT. So maybe you shouldn't compare to a VT game.
2) His filter kind of does consist of shenanigans.

The shenanigans this game might just be him doing something different from the shenanigans he did in the last 2 games I played with him (Campus and Student) so it could be off because of that.


In game one we didnt even play together I was replaced day two and you were already dead. Also in that game I missed day one and your talking about day 1 meta.

I know technically we didn't play because I got lynched Day 1 before you replaced someone but your Day 1 from last game was mostly I was referring to.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 09 2014 15:27 GMT
#811
On December 09 2014 22:58 kushm4sta wrote:
HTS why would scum fake claim my role?
Would you be able to verify my role?

You should be trying to answer those questions before scumreading me.


Your probably not but if anyones doing a suicidal claim its you. You hate playing mafia more then anyone here.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
December 09 2014 15:28 GMT
#812
I'm about 8 pages behind but

I think lightning is scummy. Last game he was mafia and blatantly sheeped me. He's doing the same thing with obiwan this game.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 09 2014 15:29 GMT
#813
Veg Kill lian he wouldnt use the same meta two games inarow. But that meta favors his mafia play
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 09 2014 15:30 GMT
#814
On December 10 2014 00:28 batsnacks wrote:
I'm about 8 pages behind but

I think lightning is scummy. Last game he was mafia and blatantly sheeped me. He's doing the same thing with obiwan this game.

I not sheeping anyone wtf I only asked OWS his thoughts and reads because he didn't post much of them yet but he said he will later. Whats wrong with me asking him a question?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 09 2014 15:31 GMT
#815
On December 10 2014 00:25 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 00:10 Tubesock wrote:
Holy Moses.

I didn't think I was such a slow reader but it's been hours and I feel I will never catch up to the thread while taking notes also. I'm trying to get reads, but they are conflicting with people who I feel are pretty freaking smart sounding. Namely, Koshi and Xata.

Koshi, since you are here can you tell me more about your HTS read? I feel I'm fairly null/town on her. Namely, I believe that Froggy's plynch statement isn't meaningful. Bunny latches and basically posts it's probably bad but she thinks it's ok. Then scum lists Froggy. Then several people jump on her and later Dam asks HTS about the Froggy/plynch read. HTS replies that it's null on his part but Bunnies scum listing is scummy. HTS doesn't seem to scumlist Froggy. Then a bunch more people argue (kelsierSC, Bats, Viv others). I'd like to know why I should elevate the signifigance of HTS's reads and downplay Bunny's?

Also I think people should read this more closely from the OP:

On December 04 2014 19:32 Palmar wrote:
Setup Information


All the roles below can be present in the game, and no role has any sort of a guarantee that it exists in the game. There may for example be three Ghosts of Christmas Yet To Come, no other Ghosts and no Scrooge, yet Marley might be present. In the same sense, there may be Disgruntled Christmas Workers without any Santas or Branch Managers. There may also be multiple instances of the same role.



It appears that given bad enough RNG we could have 6 Marlows, or 6 Mass Murderers, or 0.

Which makes me wonder why we had a Scrooge claim?? It makes me wonder if any claims will matter as we can have multiples...so why not counterclaim?





This post looks very mafiaish at this stage of the game.

Tube summarizes some stuff about the argument revolving bunnies and then HTS (which I still have to read atm), and asks another player "stuff" about it as if he couldn't judge it on his own, apparently cause it conflicts with his own reads (what are his reads???). Guessing from the post it would be that he's scumreading 27nb but not HTS, cause he's asking Koshi if he should give more priority to HTS instead of 27nb.

This is the sort of post I expect from a mafia who simply divides the game into different "wagon camps" consisting of different players and then works off that instead of genuinely working off arguments and reads. When he has the information, he doesn't know what to do with it in order to start looking townie. So his best bet is to start a discussion about it with some player he deems influential, and then post some random setup related stuff.

Lol why is this not townish?
He is reading the thread closely enough to ask an ok question because this dude reads someone scummier than his scummier read. Its not a bad question.
And the setup speculation is relevant considering it had been an issue.

Its not a bad post Vivax, why are you trying to force a scumread on it?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 09 2014 15:31 GMT
#816
lian is fucking annoying but it doesnt mean hes scum.
No gg, No skill.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 09 2014 15:32 GMT
#817
On December 10 2014 00:30 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 00:28 batsnacks wrote:
I'm about 8 pages behind but

I think lightning is scummy. Last game he was mafia and blatantly sheeped me. He's doing the same thing with obiwan this game.

I not sheeping anyone wtf I only asked OWS his thoughts and reads because he didn't post much of them yet but he said he will later. Whats wrong with me asking him a question?

Also Lonemeow and Koshi asked me why I put him and FF as town when most people weren't and I gave them my thoughts on why I thought they were town as seen here
On December 09 2014 23:45 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 23:26 Koshi wrote:
LightningStrike,

Could you explain to the people who were not in Campus mafia, why you are towreading OWS and FF?


As town you should help others to form reads as well. It is not useful for us that you have a bunch of "I once played with this guy and after 5 posts in this game I can already see he plays similar to that one time I played with his so my conclusion is he is town". Reads like this doesn't convince me that OWS and FF are town. It doesn't convince anybody and just makes you look bad.

So can you spend 5-10 lines on why OWS and FF their play are similar to Campus mafia. And then add another 5 lines on why it is impossible that OWS and FF are mimicking their townplay as scum.
Because I have played a ton of games with OWS already and the way he is playing atm he can easily pull off as scum.


FF had a similar opening of trolling a tiny bit but he steering away from that asking some decent questions which he did also in Campus Mafia. FF as town does this type of behavior as seen here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469857-campus-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome?user=FecalFeast
He feels townie too this game in my opinion with the way he questioning stuff after the trolling.

OWS I might just be bias here but he had to replace KSC who acted scummy counter claiming my cop claim and he tried his best to make a town image in that game. I know he not posting a lot but I will look foward to seeing him post more to confirm my read plus it his play style as seen on Russia Today http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471815-russia-today-mini-mafia?user=ObiWanShinobi

I stand firm on them being because their play styles is very similar currently are similar to their town style of play at the moment as seen in their filters of their town games I linked to their filter so I don't think they can be scum this game if they posted similar to their town play style that all I can say.

and here
On December 09 2014 23:59 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 23:48 LoneMeow wrote:
On December 09 2014 23:26 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 09 2014 23:19 LoneMeow wrote:
On December 09 2014 23:17 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 09 2014 23:09 liancourt wrote:
On December 09 2014 23:03 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 09 2014 22:58 liancourt wrote:
On December 09 2014 22:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 09 2014 22:48 Half the Sky wrote:
Ritoky, haven't gotten a chance to look thoroughly at too many people. Just took a pass at liancourt, spoiler posts are a bit nonsensical unless he's claiming snowman, but we need to see some reads for him soon otherwise he's going to fall very quickly into the lurker pile. Not good.

liancourt posts do seem a little odd but it just might be his meta that's all I can think of him.


I havent played with u

how would u know my meta

Ur assuming things

And soft accusing me as scum by saying i m odd

totally mafiya traits lynch this scum

I not accusing you being scum I just found the behavior odd at best don't charge at me :O Also you did play in Titanic and did do similar traps in Titanic so for now Town read but low.


If u read titantic then u shud know how i am playing is normal and not odd and yet u say its odd.

u even say i did similar traps and yet u say here that i am odd

And ur being defensive and taking a step back saying dont charge at me when i ve only given u the slighest of pressure.

Are u one of those mafiya that fall under the smallest pressure

Hey i found scum

I just found the play style odd because no one else do it don't hate me I also not mafia I am town I assure you.


Less assuring and more finding scum.

My read on Fecalfeast:
On December 09 2014 21:15 LoneMeow wrote:
Fecalfeast

On December 09 2014 09:12 Fecalfeast wrote:
On December 09 2014 09:07 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 09 2014 09:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
On December 09 2014 08:59 Alakaslam wrote:
Calvin, Calvin, calvin.

Boobs and full length high heels and Jesus was born in summer

Constant stream of nothing from you after already saying you're doing it for WIFOM. You'll run out of posts very soon at this rate.

Why are you fishing for marley specifically?

Thou'rt thick

あなたは既にルールを破って、リングの外に辞任した。なぜあなたはまだ戦うためにしようとしている

I thought being thick was a prerequisite for sumo.

"You are already breaking the rules , resigned to the outside of the ring . Why are trying to order you still fight"

No rules were established beforehand but if you don't want to fite I wont force you.

I was about to comment on the 27NB post but HF beat me to it. Her 'easy scum read' is in her scum pile because only scum is looking for easy scum reads...


This is the entirety of what he has had to say about 27ninjabunnies who I assume is his best scum read given where his vote is. Most of the filter after this point is setup talk, fluff and claiming talk.

Into the leaning scum pile you go.


You had opposite read, so clearly I'm wrong. Please point out why my analysis is incorrect.

FF plays very similar to his game on Campus where I thought he was scum but he wasn't. He also got some decent questions.


The meta again, sigh. What I really wanted you to do is comment on my read. According to you it must be wrong, so can you please explain what you disagree with in it?

Okay the setup talk after the post you had in your Quote on your read on FF was because he trying to get proof of sicklucker getting the present and baiting sicklucker to pass it to him which seems like a townie act for this setup or so I think. I don't think we know what present it is from in this set up but his intentions were town based at least I think it is town based. If he was scum he would know if it was from the Mass Murderer thus he wouldn't ask for that present from him that's all.

May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
December 09 2014 15:35 GMT
#818
On December 10 2014 00:25 Vivax wrote:

This post looks very mafiaish at this stage of the game.

Tube summarizes some stuff about the argument revolving bunnies and then HTS (which I still have to read atm), and asks another player "stuff" about it as if he couldn't judge it on his own, apparently cause it conflicts with his own reads (what are his reads???). Guessing from the post it would be that he's scumreading 27nb but not HTS, cause he's asking Koshi if he should give more priority to HTS instead of 27nb.



I read 27NB as pretty scummy. I read HTS as null to town. I'm asking Koshi because his assessment isn't the same as mine. From your posts while the argument was happening I feel we agree so I don't think I'll gain anything from repeating it with you. I don't think you read HTS as scum but there's arguments from others who do.

I don't want to ask Lightning because I'll get some random meta call from other games. I don't want to ask Sick because I'm not super impressed with his weird gift claim.

What reads of mine do you want?
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
December 09 2014 15:35 GMT
#819
9 sicklucker wrote:[/B]
Veg Kill lian he wouldnt use the same meta two games inarow. But that meta favors his mafia play[/QUOTE]

This doesnt even make sense

How does using the douchebag being a dick meta favor mafia play?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
December 09 2014 15:37 GMT
#820
On December 10 2014 00:30 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 10 2014 00:28 batsnacks wrote:
I'm about 8 pages behind but

I think lightning is scummy. Last game he was mafia and blatantly sheeped me. He's doing the same thing with obiwan this game.

I not sheeping anyone wtf I only asked OWS his thoughts and reads because he didn't post much of them yet but he said he will later. Whats wrong with me asking him a question?


Your post on SL was pretty much a verbatim copy of OWS' post.
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