EPTIV Titanic Mafia: It Has Been a Privilege - Page 50
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ObiWanShinobi
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ObiWanShinobi
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Teemursu
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On July 24 2014 16:07 HaruRH wrote: Xata deserves my attention for actually posting scummy, while you're just a gut read that could be baseless. So you're going to be posting only about one person day 1 (who also has the biggest voting wagon going on) and not try to figure out anyone else? Oh Haru.. | ||
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Teemursu
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On July 24 2014 15:20 Vivax wrote: Besides I'm not sure yet whether I should scumread you but that one gave me a bad impression. Who's telling you if you should or shouldn't? | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
On July 24 2014 16:20 Teemursu wrote: Who's telling you if you should or shouldn't? I am. Go read Vivax's filter and look for everything he has said about me thus far, and see if it makes sense. I'm pretty sure that it doesn't. | ||
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Teemursu
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Vivax
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On July 24 2014 16:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote: You were one of the people instigating my "bad attitude" you dingus. You can't talk down to someone and then scumread them when they get mad at you. That doesn't make any sense. That's like scumreading the sun for being bright. And it's not even like having a bad attitude is alignment indicative. What a load of nonsense. I want to know why "lurking" and "bad attitude" overrode every single other piece of information you brought into the thread regarding how you were reading me. No, I didn't even attack you cause I was previously going with my own expalnation for why you were looking more townie, precisely cause you seemed carefree. At some point, you got all bitchy at others doing that, and simply played as if you were lurking the thread, stating that there was nothing worth discussing for you. That's also when I started instigating, cause I was curious how you would react to being accused of being so defeatist and careless about what was happening in the thread. General feeling of your postings at the time is that you were just trying to stick to a minimum. Now it seems you're starting to go all out. If you keep pushing me I'll consider scumreading you cause it's so outlandish though. What I find odd is that you don't talk about Xatalos when he's one of the main wagons going, so it's time for you to pick a side or at least openly say you don't want to, cause if your intention is to push me as scumread, then it's about time you start convincing other guys who are of other opinion, and you can only do that if you have your own. As for what I think of Xata: He's very laid back given that there's a wagon rolling with good chance of success and I have yet to see a strong will to win in his play. His attempts to call GB scum were shot down, and he didn't play my little game where he had to try to agree with me on GB's biggish post looking townie. So yeah, definitely not headstrong play, rather resigned, and I wouldn't mind putting my vote on him at the end of the day. | ||
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Vivax
21690 Posts
On July 24 2014 16:20 Teemursu wrote: Who's telling you if you should or shouldn't? Myself. | ||
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slOosh
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Day 1 Votecount Xatalos (6) - Chairman Ray, GlowingBear, HaruRH, raynpelikoneet, Navillus, batsnacks VayneAuthority (2) - Teemursu, Palmar Vivax (2) - Koshi, ObiWanShinobi Navillus (1) - Xatalos Chopin Liszt (1) - Damdred HaruRH (1) - VayneAuthority batsnacks (1) - Chopin Liszt Xatalos is set to be lynched Please ##Unvote when moving your vote. It helps me track things better  Time remaining: Remember to confirm your PM's! | ||
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Vivax
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You're used to getting pushed D1 and that makes you vulnerable to behaving scummy as either alignment in that case. When you actually do something of your own, unpressured, displaying you truly care, that's when I will feel confident reading you (as town). Or if you don't, then as scum. | ||
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Teemursu
Finland839 Posts
Point is, there shouldn't be any should or shouldn't. you either do or you don't. | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
##unvote ##vote: ObiwanShinobi Too much attitude. Vivax still scum. As mafia you're more likely to complain about things that may or may not be true while not doing anything about it. Good to know though that you're already helping yourself getting lynched by saying I'm making sense. Guilty conscience much? Not really, you're asking others what we should do/talk about/who to lynch instead of providing any of your own original content. I don't really count that as contributing to making conversation because you're more so only spectating/directing the traffic, which is anti-town. Besides, you voted on Haru, I asked you why. So, how about you answer me? Also, trying to discredit me because I've played only one game of forum mafia is pretty funny, considering I've played a bunch of video mafia and generally have pretty good d1 reads. There have been reasons for me to "gun" you and you're not helping yourself. Above: others being carefree. This is clearly not me being bitchy at others for being carefree, but for pressuring me for no goddamn reason for the bajillionth time. Though I'll admit that your last two posts look okay. I can see we don't see "eye-to-eye" a lot of the time because I still disagree with some of what you're saying, but I don't think that makes you scum. I'll probably sleep on this read and be back before EoD. Xatalos looks pretty dead with/without my input, but the last couple of posts I got from him seemed okay, I guess. Maybe I'm biased because he wasn't trying to murder me. Not a read I'd be super confident in pushing, at any rate. I don't get why you think "will to win" is something that determines alignment, though. Elaborate pls. | ||
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Vivax
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On July 24 2014 16:49 Teemursu wrote: Point is, there shouldn't be any should or shouldn't. you either do or you don't. Incorrect, I reserve myself the right to be unsure how to read a guy. | ||
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Teemursu
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On July 24 2014 00:47 Xatalos wrote: I'm not really worried about being lynched and I know my own alignment, so it's kind of nice to have initial suspicions on me to see how they develop / how other players react. At least it's better than everyone sheeping to some lurker. Plus there isn't really much to say about those posts you mentioned. They're either weak suspicions or not even real suspicions at all. Damdred's post has probably been the most useless one, yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if there's scum among this group. On July 24 2014 02:40 Xatalos wrote: Don't you think I've been scumhunting by, for example, trying to discover Vivax's alignment? Oh well. It's true that I've been a bit lazy so far. If you're town, could you stop being lazy and fight this lynch? Who do you think is mafia and why? You haven't given a clear scumread so far. I already accused of you being hypocritical for leaving your "options open" while accusing Navi for the same thing. Now that I read through your filter properly, I haven't seen you push ANYONE. | ||
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Vivax
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On July 24 2014 17:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Above: others being carefree. This is clearly not me being bitchy at others for being carefree, but for pressuring me for no goddamn reason for the bajillionth time. Though I'll admit that your last two posts look okay. I can see we don't see "eye-to-eye" a lot of the time because I still disagree with some of what you're saying, but I don't think that makes you scum. I'll probably sleep on this read and be back before EoD. Xatalos looks pretty dead with/without my input, but the last couple of posts I got from him seemed okay, I guess. Maybe I'm biased because he wasn't trying to murder me. Not a read I'd be super confident in pushing, at any rate. I don't get why you think "will to win" is something that determines alignment, though. Elaborate pls. Will to win means that you show effort in either defending yourself or arguing why somebody else is a better lynch than you. The feeling I get from Xata is that he doesn't seem all that concerned in that regard, which is why I perceive him as resigned. I don't want a wagon on me when I'm town and will fight it unless I really get angry and think that town is too stupid anyway for me to argue against it. That's not the feeling I get from Xata. It's more like he talks about a bit of this and that without seeming too focused on the important issues, and when I'm town a wagon on me is an important issue in my opinion. With things like these the trick, or jist, is to decide whether it's just an individual playstyle difference and the guy is town, or a scummy mindset. If I take a look at this post for example: On July 24 2014 08:30 Xatalos wrote: I haven't really been too productive so far, that's true. And the stuff with "attention whoring" and the like... :D:D:D That's a pretty far-fetched reasoning of finding me scum. And the followup I see that he shows interest into CR afterwards, asks him a good question actually (nested): On July 24 2014 09:10 Chairman Ray wrote: That's not exactly my read on you and Koshi, and furthermore it's pointless to discuss now. Why are you interested in my other reads? And thinking about it, I don't want to decide on Xata before this is answered cause it's a really good point. I don't think Koshi looks good in spite of having so much activity, most of it was really worthless talk about mechanics and claims in the beginning, later he spent time writing taunts more than explaining why I should be scum to the thread. I think the task now is to find out 1. If Xatalos is scum and 2. If not, who on the wagon could be scum and 3. getting this question out of the way cause CR scumread Xata for connection stuff and kept his scumread up in a way I'm not sure is genuine. | ||
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Vivax
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And that's where you can show us some thougts of yours Obi. | ||
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Vivax
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Teemursu
Finland839 Posts
On July 24 2014 17:45 Vivax wrote: Aaaand I'm still open to the idea of lynching Koshi, be my guest if you feel like joining me in my efforts and do some analysis on him for yourself. Most people I talked to about him seemed to see the him vs me thingy as a secondary issue (Rayn and Teemu). On July 24 2014 17:45 Vivax wrote: Aaaand I'm still open to the idea of lynching Koshi, be my guest if you feel like joining me in my efforts and do some analysis on him for yourself. Most people I talked to about him seemed to see the him vs me thingy as a secondary issue (Rayn and Teemu). At the time when you were fighting, I was reading both of you as town. I still need to go through both of your filters after the fight, but I wouldn't want to lynch either one of you today anyway. Do you actually think Xata is scum? I agree with you that Xata's playing really passively, not pushing anyone etc, but I'm still not like convinced convinced that he's mafia. | ||
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Xatalos
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Actually it'd be pretty crucial to hit scum today since their KP is related to their numbers. If we manage to hit scum now, it would severely weaken them in the following days. The problem is that I don't really have any significant scumreads atm. Getting myself lynched wouldn't be a good idea either, though, especially since hitting scum would have a bigger effect than usual. More to come... | ||
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Teemursu
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