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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21960 Posts
July 24 2014 09:12 GMT
#1001
Your task now Xata is to tell us if you think your wagon is scum pushed and who on the wagon is scum, or if you think scum didn't join it yet.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 24 2014 09:20 GMT
#1002
Ok. Let's lynch Vivax.
I had a good night of sleep.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 24 2014 09:26 GMT
#1003
I think most of the people on my wagon look pretty good. The most scummy vote is definitely batsnacks, since it was just an opportunistic bandwagon vote. If I had to bet on someone being scum on the wagon, it would be batsnacks (in big part thanks to that pretty apathetic&opportunistic vote). He's also not really paying attention to what he's reading since he pretty much started the issue of me "scumreading" VA >.>

If you look a bit further than the actual wagon, you can see that Damdred has neatly set himself up for voting me without actually voting me yet. Maybe it's a bit hypocritical, considering my weak commitments so far, but this is the ultimate non-committing push on me (while still giving him the opportunity to vote for me later on):

On July 23 2014 10:53 Damdred wrote:
Heres my thoughts about Xatalos right now, hes just seems a bit odd to me right now.

Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
##Vote raynpelikoneet

Sigh


Enters thread with an odd opening no sign of real communication.
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 05:55 Xatalos wrote:
On July 23 2014 05:34 Vivax wrote:
On July 23 2014 03:03 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, I'll join the random lynch thing.
I just saw Christ the Redeemer far away, and it looks like a T.
Therefore:
##Vote: Teemursu

Die.


On July 23 2014 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
##Vote raynpelikoneet

Sigh


Gut wise I don't like these entrances.


I can see what you're getting at with that comment. Both of these posts are kind of apathetic. In any case, it's not much to work with. I'm town anyways and GB could be just playing around a bit.


Follows it up by defending himself and glowing, she might be town but he definitely is cool.

Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 06:16 Xatalos wrote:
On July 23 2014 06:10 Chopin Liszt wrote:
On July 23 2014 06:09 Xatalos wrote:
On July 23 2014 06:06 Chairman Ray wrote:
The exchange between Xatalos and Koshi is the most awkward and forced conversation I have ever seen, especially this:

On July 23 2014 05:41 Xatalos wrote:
On July 23 2014 03:04 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos it has been a while. I am town this game. You must be so happy.


Hmm. I think I want you to live longer than D1 just for the "Mafia totes alive guis" mass PM. That, and my history of reading you is horrible. I have the vague idea that someone explained your meta to me in a recent game so I'll search for that.


If we had two lynches, I'd lynch them both.

##Vote: Xatalos


I don't think it's a good idea to lynch either of us for D1. Generally speaking.

What does this mean?


Koshi can look scummy during D1 as town so it's not usually a good time to lynch him. I'm generally active regardless of my alignment, and I become a (somewhat) valuable asset throughout the game as town and I tend to reveal myself more easily later on as scum (+leaving material to work with). Neither of us are ideal D1 lynches.


But if someone looks and feels scummy and plays great scum in your mind why would you want to keep them around? Isn't it better if you honest think they are scum to take them out fast and not risk them swaying people against you? Bit weird talking about yourself their as well, I know you think yourself an asset but why even include the thing about the scum their?

Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 06:41 Xatalos wrote:
On July 23 2014 06:38 Chairman Ray wrote:
On July 23 2014 06:26 Koshi wrote:
I think you are out of your mind if you think we had the most awkward conversation ever. I said "how happy are you I am town". How am I here being awkward?

Xatalos his answer might have been odd. But how can you say that even I am scummy? What kind of insane connection is that CR? Why isn't Xatalos scummy that can't reply to my awesome trick question???

Hmmmm?


Your side of the conversation was fine, but that's to be expected of you whether you are scum or not. Xatalos was not fine. He pocketed you for the weirdest reason at the weirdest time. I'm leaning towards scum pocketing scum rather than scum pocketing town.


As a sidenote, I'm extremely careful not to connect myself with my teammates as scum. You can see me bussing / semi-bussing / distancing my teammates in pretty much every game. I would never fake a friendly conversation with my teammate as scum, at least right away.


This feels weird to trying to paint yourself as town by saying that you play scum one way and town another....whos to say that you don't change it up from time to time to make yourself look town?

Overall I get a really odd vibe from Xatalos posts, and as others have posted he has singled out a couple of low fruit even though it hurts my pride. I'd like him to answer some before I change votes.

Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 10:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
^scum


Also why Haru has seemed to be scum hunting in his posts so far.


So those two are definitely the scummiest votes (or almost-votes) on me.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21960 Posts
July 24 2014 09:26 GMT
#1004
On July 24 2014 18:20 Koshi wrote:
Ok. Let's lynch Vivax.


You've been doing nothing but rehashing the same thing over and over again, you can't seriously hope that anybody should take you seriously for sounding like a recorded tape.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21960 Posts
July 24 2014 09:29 GMT
#1005
Yea I agree on Damdred, plus the general low activity. Feels like a guy avoiding spotlight.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21960 Posts
July 24 2014 09:29 GMT
#1006
Doesn't really seem all that interested into you after he posted that thing.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 24 2014 09:32 GMT
#1007
I'd be fine with either of those two getting lynched today really. It's a decent chance of hitting scum in both cases and nothing lost if the lynch is a mistake.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Chopin Liszt
Profile Joined July 2014
United States304 Posts
July 24 2014 09:33 GMT
#1008
It's definitely tempting to kill Xatalos just for the amusement of the "I'm a bad d1 lynch" thing. I'm not really sure why he's supposed to be mafia though. CR's case was too long, skipped it.

batsnacks looks less horrendous than yesterday. Maybe. I am missing a lurking mafia somewhere if it's not him, for sure.
Bach to the basics.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 24 2014 09:34 GMT
#1009
##Unvote
##Vote Damdred


Maybe batsnacks is just being really lazy.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21960 Posts
July 24 2014 09:34 GMT
#1010
On July 24 2014 18:33 Chopin Liszt wrote:
It's definitely tempting to kill Xatalos just for the amusement of the "I'm a bad d1 lynch" thing. I'm not really sure why he's supposed to be mafia though. CR's case was too long, skipped it.

batsnacks looks less horrendous than yesterday. Maybe. I am missing a lurking mafia somewhere if it's not him, for sure.


Check Damdred. He's ghosty.
Chopin Liszt
Profile Joined July 2014
United States304 Posts
July 24 2014 09:35 GMT
#1011
Maybe Palmar is actually mafia after all.
Bach to the basics.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 24 2014 09:35 GMT
#1012
On July 24 2014 18:33 Chopin Liszt wrote:
It's definitely tempting to kill Xatalos just for the amusement of the "I'm a bad d1 lynch" thing. I'm not really sure why he's supposed to be mafia though. CR's case was too long, skipped it.

batsnacks looks less horrendous than yesterday. Maybe. I am missing a lurking mafia somewhere if it's not him, for sure.


"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Chopin Liszt
Profile Joined July 2014
United States304 Posts
July 24 2014 09:35 GMT
#1013
On July 24 2014 18:34 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 18:33 Chopin Liszt wrote:
It's definitely tempting to kill Xatalos just for the amusement of the "I'm a bad d1 lynch" thing. I'm not really sure why he's supposed to be mafia though. CR's case was too long, skipped it.

batsnacks looks less horrendous than yesterday. Maybe. I am missing a lurking mafia somewhere if it's not him, for sure.


Check Damdred. He's ghosty.

Ghosty?
Bach to the basics.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21960 Posts
July 24 2014 09:35 GMT
#1014
Maybe but just for the fact he really went writing a script after I made that joke I'm not lynching him D1 lol.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21960 Posts
July 24 2014 09:36 GMT
#1015
On July 24 2014 18:35 Chopin Liszt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 18:34 Vivax wrote:
On July 24 2014 18:33 Chopin Liszt wrote:
It's definitely tempting to kill Xatalos just for the amusement of the "I'm a bad d1 lynch" thing. I'm not really sure why he's supposed to be mafia though. CR's case was too long, skipped it.

batsnacks looks less horrendous than yesterday. Maybe. I am missing a lurking mafia somewhere if it's not him, for sure.


Check Damdred. He's ghosty.

Ghosty?


Low activity, check. Case without followup, check. General feeling of "Nobody is talking about me and I'm doing nothing", check.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21960 Posts
July 24 2014 09:37 GMT
#1016
On July 24 2014 05:24 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 05:22 Teemursu wrote:
On July 24 2014 05:14 Damdred wrote:
Teemursu do you think obi is more town or do you think hes more mafia? Which lean are you taking right now?

Also your post is not to good its never good to lynch into someone you aren't sure of, its not pro town to lynch a townie

Why are you pushing this and what are you trying to get out of this? What you just said was mechanics fluff that is obvious to everyone. Why don't you instead divert your focus to the actual content that I've posted?


Whats so wrong with me asking questions about why you think someone is mafia or your leaning on someone? And then you get defensive about it? I will look into your content when I get to a computer, but I would like an answer or at least a glimpse into your thoughts


Didn't deliver ,check.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 24 2014 09:37 GMT
#1017
I've seen Palmar being lazy/inactive as town before. I think he'll become more apathetic with time if he's actually scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
July 24 2014 09:38 GMT
#1018
I've been following the thread without much to say and I have to go to bed now, probably won't be up before lynch but here are my last thoughts for the day.

First looking at Obi's actions since I made my post going after him I feel he's even scummier. The vote on Vivax looks pretty strongly like he got some pressure, decided he needed to vote someone/make a read, and then just went with the first one he could think of. The argument there is flimsy at best and he hasn't done much else substantial. So at this point I would actually put Obi at number one for who I'd like to lynch. I won't be changing my vote because I don't expect enough people to switch to him, especially while I'm asleep and unable to push my read.

Now before someone accuses me of distancing from Xata's lynch I still feel comfortable with that, I've had reservations like vivax about this lynch, more related to how this lynch seems to be going through too easily, but I don't think that's a strong enough reason to switch. And I do think his lack of attempts to avoid being lynched does lean more scum than town. Both can do it, but I think you can definitely see it out of scum who don't really know how to move a lynch that they know is accurate. So I feel comfortable saying lynching Xata is one of our best options given what we have today.

Vivax I just read through koshi's filter and honestly don't know what to make of it. On the argument about me like I said before him saying I was giving a ton of reads at the time of my bad post isn't totally accurate but I think on the whole what he saw was accurate. Since then he's been fairly active and he's made votes, but the vote on you seems largely because you argued with him and on obi was I think because of "attitude" or something about him getting angry. While I obviously agree obi is a good vote I actually think him getting pissed in an argument is the one thing that's not at all alignment-indicative. These things make koshi look weird (i.e. kind of scummy) to me and while I wouldn't vote him now I will focus on him over the next day.

Lastly people need to stop lurking. Like it's really frustrating that I can't give reads on like half the people here because they have so few posts. I can't tell anything about Damdred, Glowingbear, VA, Palmer, and batnats because they have so few posts about concrete stuff. (if you're wondering the people I haven't named there and haven't pushed are the people I think look fairly town, I haven't been ignoring them) At least one of those is almost certainly scum just because they realized how easy it is so far to get away with it but there's no way for us to know until the town ones become more active.
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Chopin Liszt
Profile Joined July 2014
United States304 Posts
July 24 2014 09:38 GMT
#1019
yes, I can kill Damdred, that didn't take long. What's he got going for him that people on Xatalos think Xata doesn't?

##Unvote
##Vote: Damdred
Bach to the basics.
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
July 24 2014 09:40 GMT
#1020
Basically this whole page ninja'd me, so wondering: why damdred instead of another lurker? I didn't get much more of a read on him than palmer/va/glowbear/batsnacks, so what makes him look scummy but not them?
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
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