EPTIV Titanic Mafia: It Has Been a Privilege - Page 24
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Xatalos
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Xatalos
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Vivax
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On July 23 2014 19:59 Koshi wrote: I like Kush his case better. Palmar's case made me look at Navillus but I saw only town. Nope, it's a spot on case about a guy trying to look tryhard but showing an inherent lack of interests into topics he should have a focus on, and I get the same feeling, especially from that post. It's more like he talks about anything that is potentially worth talking about, not just what matters. I have yet to see him fight back against the bullshit reads I gave about his alleged people of interest. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On July 23 2014 20:17 Vivax wrote: Nope, it's a spot on case about a guy trying to look tryhard but showing an inherent lack of interests into topics he should have a focus on, and I get the same feeling, especially from that post. It's more like he talks about anything that is potentially worth talking about, not just what matters. I have yet to see him fight back against the bullshit reads I gave about his alleged people of interest. I don't think anyone would take those seriously. | ||
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Chopin Liszt
United States304 Posts
with this case I could perhaps flirt but this Navillus is oh so weak real impetus, his posts do not seek Chopin | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
On July 23 2014 20:17 Vivax wrote: Nope, it's a spot on case about a guy trying to look tryhard but showing an inherent lack of interests into topics he should have a focus on, and I get the same feeling, especially from that post. It's more like he talks about anything that is potentially worth talking about, not just what matters. I have yet to see him fight back against the bullshit reads I gave about his alleged people of interest. Seriously? Because what? I was supposed to actually argue about whether someone posting first or fourth was a townread? I read your posts, categorized you as useless, and put down that if you continued like this you would be an excellent lynch target, it's asinine to think that I didn't care about those questions because I didn't respond to your ridiculous non-answers. Now are you going to actually start talking about your reads? | ||
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Vivax
21690 Posts
On July 23 2014 20:22 Navillus wrote: Seriously? Because what? I was supposed to actually argue about whether someone posting first or fourth was a townread? I read your posts, categorized you as useless, and put down that if you continued like this you would be an excellent lynch target, it's asinine to think that I didn't care about those questions because I didn't respond to your ridiculous non-answers. Now are you going to actually start talking about your reads? What if I don't. | ||
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Koshi
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I open his filter. See 3 first posts. Town. | ||
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Teemursu
Finland839 Posts
On July 23 2014 19:53 Chopin Liszt wrote: I laugh everytime someone says that someone defending them and being correct when nobody else is makes them probably towny when it should give you the opposite reaction ~_~ Anyway, I think navillus has potential and I'd rather keep him around over the likes of obi/teem/vivax. Vivax probably strongest mafia read for not giving a shit like usual mafia vivax, time will tell in the day though. You accuse me of the same thing Navillus has been doing, give him a pass and not vote on Vivax, who is your strongest mafia read. Well played. When someone says something you've been thinking about before you yourself say it out loud, I can see that person being on the same wavelength as I am, thus the town read. Most of your case is just pushing on me for asking people what I thought of Damdred. I was starting to read the thread, and I didn't like his entrance to the thread. Him being my first read, I asked others what others thought about him. Also, when I asked Palmar about him, I mentioned that I think Damdred is scummy. I -am- giving a read on Damdred, I think he's scummy. Kush doesn't interest me today, what I quickly saw from him was okay and nothing he did was particularly scummy to me. You're wasting time with me. Generally I get decent reads from people interacting with me, but your push on me solely because of giving unsubstantiated reads doesn't really help me figure out your alignment. I would much rather see you look at my interaction with Obi. | ||
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Chopin Liszt
United States304 Posts
On July 23 2014 20:24 Koshi wrote: This Navillus guy is not mafia. Just read his posts. Obvious town. I open his filter. See 3 first posts. Town. Explain better | ||
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Vivax
21690 Posts
On July 23 2014 12:41 Navillus wrote: Re: Damdred I don't see anything particularly odd. His long post on Xatalos is the only thing that I would see as maybe indicative, I think often scum make long posts picking out a lot of pretty small stuff so they can look like they're contributing, but right now there's not much substantial to go on and xatalos has felt off to me with his pretty early defensiveness of other players. I don't see any reason to think Damdred is scum at the moment. On July 23 2014 16:12 Navillus wrote: Teemursu unrelated to the content could you just try to consolidate your posts a bit more, it just makes things more readable. On other notes, I hadn't noticed that post by Palmar which is definitely a problem post, I also would really like for vayne to explain the Haru vote. Obi and temmursu what do you think of xatalos, damdred and kush? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
If you say it is Holyflare or the Unknown rhyming. | ||
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Xatalos
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Right now he seems to be leaning scum. | ||
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Chopin Liszt
United States304 Posts
On July 23 2014 20:27 Koshi wrote: If you say it is Holyflare or the Unknown rhyming. The Unknown. Holyflare is Liszt. This cannot be missed. | ||
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Vivax
21690 Posts
On July 23 2014 20:28 Xatalos wrote: Huh. Apparently Vivax is about 5x more active and involved in the game as town compared to his scum play. Right now he seems to be leaning scum. Does it make you want to lynch navi less. | ||
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Xatalos
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Somewhat | ||
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Vivax
21690 Posts
So you don't feel the reasons Palmar gave are strong enough to warrant a lynch on their own regardless of who's agreeing with them to head for that lynch? | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
Also I have to go to sleep soon but chopin I would point you toward the thought that maybe I didn't press my questions because I got literally 0 sort of answers from most people. I've posted my strongest reads, I think kush and Obi are good lynch targets. I'm more on the fence about Xata, and I don't have any other reads to put out right now, I need sleep. But I will say that my questions have been generally me trying to get more people talking about reads I have thoughts on, I didn't ask people because I was suspicious of them and wanted to confirm, I want the beginnings of conversations and if people aren't complying I can't bully them into productive conversation. One of the first people I asked was vivax who seems content to fuck around and point back to the same post that palmer pointed at. I am going to keep trying to get conversation about things that I think I can make reads off of, but my last thought is the votes on me happened very fast with not much said. Palmer seems fine, he made a real case and I honestly agree with his points for how that post looks, it's a bad post. But not bad enough to deserve 2 or 3 people immediately bandwagoning with literally no elaboration. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
On July 23 2014 12:36 Navillus wrote: Just got here, my 2 cents on xatalos is that the list does look bad and I got the same weird feeling when he said that we shouldn't lynch kush because he's a good scum-player, especially after he posted: so people who will reveal themselves early shouldn't be lynched D1 and people who won't reveal themselves early shouldn't be lynched D1? That doesn't make sense and looks scummy to me because it sounds like forced reasons to lynch or not lynch. Also posting a list where like half the entries are saying nothing looks like an attempt to just generate content so for that I feel comfortable to ##Vote Xatalos Aside from him I'm very happy that Chopinliszt stopped with that rhyming stuff but I would put them much higher on my list of who to lynch this game unless they post as much as two other players would, it's going to be way too difficult to get a read if we have a small amount of content half from one person half another. 1) Doesn't try to hide in this post. 2) Give his reads/thoughts freely on the game. On July 23 2014 12:41 Navillus wrote: Re: Damdred I don't see anything particularly odd. His long post on Xatalos is the only thing that I would see as maybe indicative, I think often scum make long posts picking out a lot of pretty small stuff so they can look like they're contributing, but right now there's not much substantial to go on and xatalos has felt off to me with his pretty early defensiveness of other players. I don't see any reason to think Damdred is scum at the moment. 1) Doesn't try to hide in this post. 2) Give his reads/thoughts freely on the game. On July 23 2014 12:55 Navillus wrote: any reason that harurh is the placeholder? On July 23 2014 13:29 Navillus wrote: vayne you have a reason separate from what kush said? On July 23 2014 16:12 Navillus wrote: Teemursu unrelated to the content could you just try to consolidate your posts a bit more, it just makes things more readable. On other notes, I hadn't noticed that post by Palmar which is definitely a problem post, I also would really like for vayne to explain the Haru vote. Obi and temmursu what do you think of xatalos, damdred and kush? Asking questions is not scummy if you first provided your own opinion in the thread. It's called scumhunting. So what that he made 3 questionsi n seperate posts and then made 3 more questions in a new post. He also asked to consolidate in the last post so maybe therefore he is putting everything in 1 post. Who the fuck knows? It isn't scummy. On July 23 2014 18:13 Navillus wrote: Teem if If you're asking me what that post said about chopin I'm saying I want extra content out of the hydra because it's going to be a bitch to try to mix reads of two people and I will push their lynch if them being a hydra prevents me from getting a clear read on them. Palmar your post was a problem not a reason to lynch because you posted an intention, if you had followed through that would have made you look a lot scummier to me. I didn't threaten to lynch because it's one post that's not very readable with a day+ to go, I seriously doubt you would have considered that a plausible threat and I wouldn't have followed through without more scum-reads, I'm not gonna vote or threaten to vote everyone that I might like to be more active. Anyway I already posted my read of xatalos and since he hasn't posted anything since then that hasn't changed. On the other hand I just reread kush and for the second or third time and I am really getting a weird (read scummy) vibe off him. He defends xatalos multiple times from people posting reads very similar to what I got on my first read-through. + Show Spoiler [Weird Defenses] + On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote: I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me? the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that? On July 23 2014 09:57 kushm4sta wrote: hi again! are you a girl? if yes, want to be my egirlfriend, if you are over 18? we can go on edates. we both share the interest of forum mafia so I think we probably have a lot in common. first paragraph u say it's best to automatically lynch everyone you think is good scum. Should xatalos have said "he's good scum SO LET"S LYNCH HIM!" and that would have been townie? second paragraph you are essentially arguing that since he has scum feels for damdred, he should have feels for every person in the game. Why does getting feels about 1 person mean tha the should have feels on everybody? ^glowingbear brings the exact thoughts I had and kush ignores him saying that he's not making the argument to lynch good scums early but that xata's own posts would suggest that then xata contradicts himself. I thought this contradiction was weird but kush doesn't seem to notice and later just hones in on what i saw as a much less contradictory statement by haru On July 23 2014 11:40 kushm4sta wrote: wtf do you expect a few hours into the game? ^this also seems weirdly defensive to me, Defending him isn't scummy but doing so that early and to different people with similar reads just feels too sure that he's right. On top of that he really hasn't pushed much, he voted haru which was kind of an extension of his defense of xata then he put down a placeholder vote on palmer. In fact I just looked at his votes and he literally makes no attempt to explain why he unvoted haru, trying to pull that vote off to a non-vote is really weird to me. None of this seems like serious efforts to find scum. So ##Vote: kushm4sta 1) Doesn't try to hide in this post. 2) Give his reads/thoughts freely on the game. ___________________________________________________ So why is Navillus not a good lynch: 1) He isn't hiding. 2) He gave his opinion on EVERYBODY and is actively playing. tldr: you all suck. Navillus is town. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On July 23 2014 20:32 Vivax wrote: So you don't feel the reasons Palmar gave are strong enough to warrant a lynch on their own regardless of who's agreeing with them to head for that lynch? I feel like Palmar made a reasonable early case, but it's far from conclusive. It's hard to have a conclusive case on D1 really. And you playing more to your scum meta + wanting to lynch Navillus isn't very encouraging. | ||
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