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On June 23 2014 10:01 Lord Tolkien wrote:
As I said, it's a tough choice. You have to pick which meat you want.
I noted my decision-making process here. The absurd inconsistency is just FAR too big of a warning bell for me.
meatpudding is acceptable I think as well, but I can plausibly think of him far more as just a bad town, what with blatant OMGUSing and ridiculous plays like voting Haru.
MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.
It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit.
Yeah, that's pretty much where I'm at with meatpudding. Unless someone can tell me how anything he's done might have furthered a mafia agenda, rather than being indicative of bad town.
Your analysis on MM... that's a really good case.
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On June 23 2014 09:40 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me. Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me. I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me. As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat? That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming  But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from? If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though.
Pressuring your strongest scumread as much as possible will make them post more to defend themselves thus allowing you to read their thought processes and see if they make sense. They'll either dig themselves into a deeper hole by being inconsistent or dig themselves out of it by posting things that logically follow on from each other from a townie prospective, potentially nullifying a scumread or turning it into a townread and allowing you to move on to the other scummy people on your list. It's all about being as sure as possible that your read is correct. As for a second in line well i'd be happy to see meatpudding go because it would either confirm a lot of town or give me the chance to pick apart the reasons people gave for voting him. For the purpose of gathering information on other players his lynch is certainly the best.
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Like, I can get GlowingBear jumping on me for being fine with a mislynch and not Cats because he wasn't loud about it. It's a plausible mistake. But I was loudly telegraphing my position on it, and he wasn't so it's fine. But to zero in on CATS and completely miss my stance and posts? NO FKING WAY.
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I think it's pretty bad that meatpudding hasn't really posted at all, given that he is set to be lynched.
Same thing with mysterymeat, said in his big post that it was just from an early read through, and then does nothing.
I'd be comfortable lynching either one of them, but if they come in between now and then, I'd love to be convinced otherwise.
Looks like blondemocha and Solar are going to be modkilled which sucks
I like what Tolkien has done. What I didn't like initially was his early vote on scott, but I get that it was just a pressure vote now.
And speaking of scott
Scott
Scott
Scotty baby
don't vote yourself
It's unlikely you're still reading the thread, but I'd really give it another try. I know when I was first suspected for a lynch D1 I wanted to get far, far away from every mafia game for as long as I lived, but I eventually came back and here I am.
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On June 23 2014 09:38 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 09:19 Epishade wrote:On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats Oh hey, just realized you were talking about me. I don't really think it's that scummy to post my filter imo. I had briefly skimmed through the thread before I posted (and planned on reading more-in depth afterwards) and saw that Templar had posted his past mafia experience, so I figured that that would be a good thing to add. I figured it wouldn't hurt, giving people more information to form their own opinions on me. I see your point that you might think that I'd want people to look at my past town behavior so I could replicate that this game and trick them though. I can really only say that that's not what I meant by including that. I'd put you in my town pile for now, MightyMeat. One thing I wouldn't expect a mafia to do would be to spot that 2 people had both mentioned past game experience and draw a connection between them this early. Usually I think that mafia would be content to lynch just about anybody D1 without caring about forming a connection, as that can always be done easier later when lynches and night shots have been made. The fact that you made that connection puts you in town for me. That seems like something a town would be actively looking for, while a scum probably wouldn't be. I've seen a bunch of people posting about Cats so far. I'm gonna look at that next I suppose. He wasn't drawing connections between you two. He was saying that you, me (because i posted a filter from a past game too) and Templar were scummy for doing something that isn't alignment indicative not that you and Templar were scum together.
Didn't realize you posted a filter as well to one of your games. To clarify, I didn't post a link to my other game, I just briefly mentioned it in my introduction. I'm just using the word 'filter' as any reference to previous games in this context, the way I thought Meat intended for it to mean. So, you're right that he probably wasn't drawing connections either.
In any case though, I think I'm going to retract my earlier read on Meat for now. I thought that his pointing out connections (or rather, scumreading people for non-alignment indicative reasons) based on those who posted past games wasn't something a mafia would look for. I still kind of don't, and I think Meat could be more of a misguided townie in this instance. In the past game I played with him, he tried to get me lynched (we were both town) by arguing that a dead townie thought I was scum and that was why he was shot, - which you should almost never take into consideration dead townie opinions b/c they don't know who's mafia and who's not. I, in turn, mistook Meat as mafia because he was pushing against me based on faulty reasoning.
I'm just saying here that, based on a past game I've played with Meat, I can understand that he thinks something might be scummy and label people as scum even when they're not and even when Meat's not scum. Unfortunately, this makes it pretty much impossible to distinguish Meat's alignment based on his actions, because I know he's made actions in the past that I found questionable.
Though meatpudding hasn't really done much to convince me, Meat's inactivity and illogical/inconsistent posting has made me question my vote on meatpudding in favor of a better lynch.
Sorry Meat. You might be town, but you've made questionable choices for me to not vote you.
Unvote
Vote: MysteryMeat1
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Going to have to agree with Cats again: as I also noted in my large wall-o-text, I'd be fine with meatpudding because he'd finally clear things up about Teemu and the others who voted on him early. And he's probably useless to town.
Let's agree to consolidate on EITHER meatpudding or MysteryMeat1, until we hear something back, alright? No stray votes anywhere else, let's do our best not to let mafia influence the voting.
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On June 23 2014 10:01 Lord Tolkien wrote:
As I said, it's a tough choice. You have to pick which meat you want.
I noted my decision-making process here. The absurd inconsistency is just FAR too big of a warning bell for me.
meatpudding is acceptable I think as well, but I can plausibly think of him far more as just a bad town, what with blatant OMGUSing and ridiculous plays like voting Haru.
MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.
It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit.
Are you mentioning me in this last paragraph? If so, have in mind that I have stronger reads on cats and meatpudding, although I've already said that I have to re-read cats most recent posts.
That said, I think you are overreacting over a solid argument I've brought, and I find it more suspicious. Haru may have taken out his "attacks" on you, but I'll stick to my very solid logic over here.
Yet, I'll repeat: I have stronger reads than you.
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On June 23 2014 10:22 GlowingBear wrote:
Are you mentioning me in this last paragraph? If so, have in mind that I have stronger reads on cats and meatpudding, although I've already said that I have to re-read cats most recent posts.
That said, I think you are overreacting over a solid argument I've brought, and I find it more suspicious. Haru may have taken out his "attacks" on you, but I'll stick to my very solid logic over here.
Yet, I'll repeat: I have stronger reads than you.
Read above. I'm talking about MysteryMeat. idgaf if you think I'm scum or not for pushing a lynch-all-lurkers policy. I've already cited the section of the Mafia guide which touches on it specifically. If you think it's scummy, fine, w/e.
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your Country52796 Posts
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your Country52796 Posts
Trying to figure what's going on out, I left a bit after I made my large analysis post.
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jabber, while you're here, can you explain how your reads changed over time? I really can't see any consistency to your posts.
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your Country52796 Posts
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On June 23 2014 10:22 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 10:01 Lord Tolkien wrote:
As I said, it's a tough choice. You have to pick which meat you want.
I noted my decision-making process here. The absurd inconsistency is just FAR too big of a warning bell for me.
meatpudding is acceptable I think as well, but I can plausibly think of him far more as just a bad town, what with blatant OMGUSing and ridiculous plays like voting Haru.
MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.
It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit. Are you mentioning me in this last paragraph? If so, have in mind that I have stronger reads on cats and meatpudding, although I've already said that I have to re-read cats most recent posts. That said, I think you are overreacting over a solid argument I've brought, and I find it more suspicious. Haru may have taken out his "attacks" on you, but I'll stick to my very solid logic over here. Yet, I'll repeat: I have stronger reads than you.
Your reads are sort of weak actually. Your main analysis post is full of null reads and not particularly informative (except MysteryMeat, Tolkien, and Nydus).
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Because of these, I have a strong scumread on Tolkien He is still forcing this policy by now.
1) I'm also on the fence for Lord_Tolkien. As I said on my reads, i don't like his Lynch all Lurkers policy, it sounds scummy for me. But I couldn't see anything else on him.
You're on the fence about him being extremely scummy? Yeah ok
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On June 23 2014 10:20 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Going to have to agree with Cats again: as I also noted in my large wall-o-text, I'd be fine with meatpudding because he'd finally clear things up about Teemu and the others who voted on him early. And he's probably useless to town.
Let's agree to consolidate on EITHER meatpudding or MysteryMeat1, until we hear something back, alright? No stray votes anywhere else, let's do our best not to let mafia influence the voting.
I am not changing my vote to either of the meats just yet. If mafia are going to influence the voting, now is the time, and I made my vote earlier, before the MM push.
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On June 23 2014 10:28 Hobbitus wrote:
jabber, while you're here, can you explain how your reads changed over time? I really can't see any consistency to your posts.
Most of the time, I'm posting to inform everyone when I change my mind about stuff, I don't really see the point of posting "I still think the same thing I thought before" again and again
is there anyone specific you want me to elaborate on?
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On June 23 2014 10:01 Lord Tolkien wrote:
As I said, it's a tough choice. You have to pick which meat you want.
I'll be honest, it's making me uncomfortable that they are the only two options according to you. Yes, they both have good cases against them IMO, I just don't like that you said that.
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On June 23 2014 10:35 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 10:28 Hobbitus wrote:
jabber, while you're here, can you explain how your reads changed over time? I really can't see any consistency to your posts. Most of the time, I'm posting to inform everyone when I change my mind about stuff, I don't really see the point of posting "I still think the same thing I thought before" again and again is there anyone specific you want me to elaborate on?
Specifically why you switched from a town read on meatpudding to voting him.
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On June 23 2014 10:35 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 10:01 Lord Tolkien wrote:
As I said, it's a tough choice. You have to pick which meat you want.
I'll be honest, it's making me uncomfortable that they are the only two options according to you. Yes, they both have good cases against them IMO, I just don't like that you said that.
The general advice I've gotten is that town should generally aim to consolidate voting onto a few bandwagons. Having votes everywhere gives mafia the power of a unified voting block. The more disparate the voting, the easier it is for mafia to hide their influence on the actual votes. If everyone consolidates, they have nowhere to hide.
Vote for who you think is the most scummy, but who else is an option besides the meats for you? While I very much dislike jabber's schizophrenic opinions, voting for jabber gets us nothing, in my opinion, at this stage. meatpudding gives us insight onto the people who started the vote and push onto him, and I would say taht MysteryMeats' lynch will give you insight as to Cats' (and my own).
If you can compile a case, do it already: we're running out of time.
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On June 23 2014 10:38 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 10:35 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:28 Hobbitus wrote:
jabber, while you're here, can you explain how your reads changed over time? I really can't see any consistency to your posts. Most of the time, I'm posting to inform everyone when I change my mind about stuff, I don't really see the point of posting "I still think the same thing I thought before" again and again is there anyone specific you want me to elaborate on? Specifically why you switched from a town read on meatpudding to voting him.
On June 23 2014 09:37 jabberwockzerg wrote:
okay first thing's first:
##: Unvote
I voted pudding because, honestly, he was the first person with a wagon that I could remember. I was trying to save my stupid ass from a modkill.
I understand that it looks scummy.
I'll get on reading through filters and give my thoughts on the meat situation ASAP
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