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VisceraEyes
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Chezinu
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On June 20 2014 13:36 VisceraEyes wrote: Encryption is disallowed explicitly in the rules. Original Message From Kurumi: It is in regards to all those sweet sites that let you encrypt your message. You can't do any of these, even basic ROT-13. Chezinu style is not banned. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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Chezinu
United States7429 Posts
On June 16 2014 10:51 Chezinu wrote: Hello there my friend, I believe The Sheriff wants to speak with you out back. Oh and don't forget to bring your weapon. + Show Spoiler + On June 18 2014 09:02 Kurumi wrote: Night 1 **Censored** The People's Committee has decided. 27ninjabunnies had a short walk with the Sheriff, confessing her sins. Burning dolls, stealing change from the laundromats, eating pie before it was cool. Nothing bad. Was it all? + Show Spoiler + 27ninjabunnies the Vanilla Townie has died to lynch! Final Vote Count - Day 1: 27ninjabunnies (7): YouKnowZhou, Artanis[Xp], mderg, Chezinu, Koshi, slOosh, goodkarma YouKnowZhou (1): Release mderg (4): Snickers, VisceraEyes, 27ninjabunnies, Lazermonkey Currently Not Voting (0): None! 27ninjabunnies is lynched with 7 votes! 24 hours, actions to both me and OnceKing. On June 17 2014 05:59 Chezinu wrote: I thought of a bunch of bunnies getting shotgunned by the sheriff when sleeping through your conversations. + Show Spoiler + On June 19 2014 09:00 Kurumi wrote: Day 2 *censor* It was eerily quiet during the night. People were trying to have quick naps to offset the stress. It was late into the night when a crow cawed. Many people were woken up by the strange noise of a bird well regarded as Devil's eyes on Earth. People were very slowly gathering at the Village Hall in the morning. + Show Spoiler + goodkarma the Vanilla Townie was found dead. His eyes and mouth were full of terror. He was lying on his back under the blanket. Smell of sulfur was noticeable. You have 48 hours to decide who gets lynched. What have I become?.. My dearest friend Everyone I know goes away in the end And you can have it all My empire of brown I will let you down I will make you fall Beneath The Sheriff's shotgun Full of fragmented thoughts I cannot repair Beneath The Sheriff's barrel The colors disappear You are someone else I am still right here What have I become?.. My dearest friend Everyone I know goes away in the end And you can have it all My empire of brown I will let you down I will make you fall If I could start again, in a new world I would whisper to someone else I would fine a way.. **Censored -- video and soundtrack -- Censored** | ||
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Chezinu
United States7429 Posts
##Vote VisceraEyes What have I become?..My dearest friend | ||
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OnceKing
United States939 Posts
Vote Count - Day 2: YouKnowZhou (3): Release, slOosh, VisceraEyes VisceraEyes (2): mderg, Chezinu Koshi (1): Lazermonkey Snickers (1): YouKnowZhou mderg (1): Snickers Currently Not Voting (2): Artanis[Xp], Koshi Currently YouKnowZhou is set to be lynched with 3 votes! Day will end in Remember: Voting is mandatory. You can find the spreadsheet to the game here. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
On June 19 2014 14:26 Snickers wrote: at this point I see only lies in your posts. I will let the others decide.I really would encourage you to show me where your case is on me and where i dismiss or ignore your points. Very funny how you now say these other names after i ridicule you on trying to focus on one. Too bad it is all lies. On June 19 2014 15:01 Release wrote: I quoted it for you and you still didn't read it. "@Lazer Someone whom I think is a stronger candidate for mafia outside YKZ is Snickers. At the beginning of the game, he casts suspsicion on 27nb following YKZ, supports the Kenpachi rule and encourages further discussion of it. Then he makes some slightly unclear buddy up to YKZ posts. Then he supports me, the he flipflops on me following a not so good case on me by artansis. He harps quite a bit on the "information" and blue talk even after I try multiple times to dissuade him from doing so. He even says "I am leaning pretty hard to vote for you. Especially when two people have posted how your post had such a great timing." And if that weren't enough, he hops straight onto the Mderg train. This is a little bit of bluehunting covered by a boatload of bandwagoning. His agenda feels like one in which he wants to blend into the town instead of making his own reads and arguments. At first, I pardoned him because he wasn't as stubborn as YKZ but this level of bandwagoning suggests to me that he is more likely scum than town." It sounded like you want opinions on everyone. Do you now not want me to give my opinions? Say one thing then imply the other so you can move either way in the future and not appear suspicious? Your comment is ridiculous and serves only to cause havoc. My focus on YKZ and you should already tell you that you two are significantly higher on my mafialist than others.+ Show Spoiler [in short] + He asks for something that might actually be useful, I provide it, he calls me mafia. Ridiculous Regardless, my comments on the others only solidify the fact that I DO want to focus much more on YKZ and you than everyone else because they have not presented significant enough reason for me to think that they are likely mafia (unlike YKZ and you). On June 19 2014 15:09 Snickers wrote: Yes only focus on two people when three could be mafia. Yes lets focus on people since that worked out so well for you day one. Also that was very predictable your comment in spoilers. Also you are doing the same back and fourth we had day one. My THIRD time quoting my case against him and still nothing. Day 1, Snickers never responds to it. That is where he ignored it. Day 2, he doesn't read and claims that I do not have a case and he never ignore/dismiss (1 misrepresentation of information, and its corollary) Then, instead of responding to the case, he criticizes the very general (and again not correct; I have mentioned who I thought were strong town to me earlier) nature of my play, and a specific phrase/summary (not actual response to any part of it). He refuses to and avoids responding to my points because he CANNOT do so without acknowedging the scummy nature of his actions. On June 20 2014 06:48 Snickers wrote: Yo ykz and chezinu. Care to explain how you are playing to win. I think the only way you are playing to win is if your mafia. You guys must get a high off of being confusing. This is an archetype of his posts. No reasoning or explanations. -------------------------------- YKZ: another day, more dissatisfaction and haughtiness, another promise. VE: activity indicates otherwise, but he is generating good discussion and for this he pushes himself away from my scumlist. Koshi: Very empty filter, some questions, not much follow up, and not much opinions. He is probably the third mafia. Mderg: The much less likely third mafia candidate. His words seem to obfuscate his meaning (and betray that he might be mafia) but he is able to explain himself and I say again that I find it is easier to fit a town agenda to him than a mafia agenda; he is responsive and he forms opinions which is more than I can say for the other three (YKZ, Snickers, Koshi). Everyone else, I really doubt could possibly be mafia. --------------------------------- We must wait for YKZ's promise to come through, but in the meantime, what do you guys think about VE? Also, time to decipher Chez's posts. + Show Spoiler + Real life hectic past day. Believe it/don't. W/e | ||
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YouKnowZhou
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Artanis[Xp]
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YouKnowZhou
United States262 Posts
On June 20 2014 17:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote: BH, do you believe you're playing towards your win condition? Ok, clearly you don't understand my dinner joke. When I say I'm away at dinner, what I really mean is, "I have IRL reasons for not being at the thread right now." Most of my posting for the past 48 hours has been via phone. Since I am completely and totally willing to lie about being afk as scum, I don't bother explaining why I'm AFK as town. Instead I just say I'm at dinner. If you want me to give details about WHY I have been mostly afk for 48 hours, I'll be glad to provide you with them, but let's be real here: I have lied about reasons for being AFK before as scum. I am 100% willing to say that I got dumped by my gf, or my mom died, or I had a work emergency, or WHATEVER to not get lynched as scum. I've done it before. I've pretended to have mental breakdowns. I've pretended that I don't believe in myself any more. I've pretended that I am busy with work 12 hours a day due to a deadline. So here's what I'll tell you: if I am town, I have had a good reason to be very very low activity for 48 hours. If you want me to share that reason, feel free to ask, but the reason is MEANINGLESS because I am the one player on TL who notoriously ruthlessly lies about IRL things. Hilariously enough, I wish I didn't lie about IRL things when I was scum, because it would make a situation like this easier for me, but I can't not use that move as scum, because not using every tactic available to me would be playing against my win condition when I roll scum. So, Artanis[Xp], not only am I playing towards my wincon, I'm one of the few people who really does. Do you still want my story? I'm busy trying to form reads and catch up seriously on 48 hours of thread. I need to reread how the D1 wagons formed. If I don't solve this problem, I get lynched. So, tell me, do you have a better question for me? | ||
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YouKnowZhou
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On June 20 2014 17:38 YouKnowZhou wrote: So, Artanis[Xp], not only am I playing towards my wincon, I'm one of the few people who really does. That's all I needed to know. You've spent the very little time you've had cracking jokes and making that post rather than trying to do anything useful. ##vote YouKnowZhou | ||
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YouKnowZhou
United States262 Posts
On June 20 2014 18:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: That's all I needed to know. You've spent the very little time you've had cracking jokes and making that post rather than trying to do anything useful. ##vote YouKnowZhou I don't understand your reasoning. Please state it more plainly, I don't have time to parse your posts while also rereading the thread. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
B) You've spent it making promises or arguing about things that are not related to catching mafia or getting reads. C) You claim to not be playing against your win condition. B and C are contradictory if your alignment is in fact town. | ||
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YouKnowZhou
United States262 Posts
On June 20 2014 18:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: A) You've had very little time to spend on the thread, presumably since the end of Day 1 as you did post a decent bit before that. B) You've spent it making promises or arguing about things that are not related to catching mafia or getting reads. C) You claim to not be playing against your win condition. B and C are contradictory if your alignment is in fact town. What promises? Please be specific. A link or a quote would be acceptable. I believe I promised I'd return to the thread around now after dinner and make a case. I'm in the process of doing that. If I made other promises besides that, I hereby rescind those promises as communist lies. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
I don't understand why you keep spending time replying to these posts if your time is limited. It's not helping me get a read on you, and I doubt it's helping you get a read on me. Get to your supposedly legendary case. | ||
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YouKnowZhou
United States262 Posts
On June 20 2014 18:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Yeah, that counts under making promises. I don't understand why you keep spending time replying to these posts if your time is limited. It's not helping me get a read on you, and I doubt it's helping you get a read on me. Get to your supposedly legendary case. Limiting factor on my case-writing isn't the bandwidth of my fingers, it's my processing power, and honestly when you ask me questions I feel a strong urge to respond. Also, what, do you expect me to NOT respond to your questions? If you want, I can ignore you, but people typically don't like that. | ||
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YouKnowZhou
United States262 Posts
YKZ, Artanis, mderg, Chez, Koshi, Sloosh, GK with counterrwagons YKZ with one vote (Release) and mderg with 4 votes (snickers, VE, 27nb, Lazermonkey) GK was shot overnight and generally the thread has died since then. Given the majority with which 27nb was lynched, we can reasonably conclude that even if mderg is in fact scum, scum wouldn't have to all vote for 27nb to save mderg. Still, we should take a look at what happened in the time leading up to the 27nb lynch to get an idea of which votes made sense and which didn't. I'm going to exclude GK from this analysis, since he died, and myself, since I think everyone is pretty clear on my stated motivations for this lynch. In terms of major pivots on the 27nb case, it begins with my KPR case early in the day, and is augmented with a pbp analysis (link) a few hours before the deadline. Before the pbp analysis, the only voter is mderg. He voted in his first post, about halfway through Day 1 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/458796-normal-mini-mafia-lvi?page=12#231(link) that was noteworthy for being generally unfocused. His other statements in that post are YKZ Town, Snickers strange, pre-flip assoc is bad, Release is non-perfect, sloosh is town, artanis case on release makes sense but sloosh case on him also made sense blah blah. He's giving lots of opinions and spends not a huge amount of time on his vote target, bunnies. I'd also like to add some lines from his inital post here, the post in which he votes bunnies. The whole thing with YKZ and bunnies is really strange. It feels like they´re both wrong, bunnies more so thab YKZ, though. I don´t think bunnies case was well substantiated at all, scumslips just almost never happen in forum mafia. I also don´t think the Kenpachi rule is as foolproof as YKZ said. It has some solid reasoning behind it but claiming that it always works seems stupid. They´ve kinda been repeating themselves quite often, so there´s not that much to get from this. ... So I think out of bunnies and YKZ only bunnies can really be scum. It certainly is possible. Especially the heavy focus on YKZ´s "scumslip" seems suspicious. Not calling out YKZ´s scummy posts is not really alignment indicative. Not immediately noticing things that might look scummy to some can happen as both alignments. I also dislike how she agrees with Artanis that Release is scummy but doesn´t think he´s scum because she wants to be right about YKZ and her association read. ... ##vote 27ninjabunnies I'm sure others have pointed this out, but take a look at what's going on in this post. First off, mderg talks a LOT about how 27nb is probably not scum, and neither am I. If you didn't see his vote there at the bottom of the post, and just read the post itself, you would have NO IDEA that he was voting 27nb. Here, try reading his post without the ##vote at the bottom. What does it sounds like to you? + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2014 09:11 mderg wrote: I almost forgot about this due to the world cup  The whole thing with YKZ and bunnies is really strange. It feels like they´re both wrong, bunnies more so thab YKZ, though. I don´t think bunnies case was well substantiated at all, scumslips just almost never happen in forum mafia. I also don´t think the Kenpachi rule is as foolproof as YKZ said. It has some solid reasoning behind it but claiming that it always works seems stupid. They´ve kinda been repeating themselves quite often, so there´s not that much to get from this. I think YKZ is town because of the follow up on bunnies I don´t think scum would so blatantly say that he acted scummy and someone should have pointed it out. This feels like a trap made by town. He´s also claimed vt early on which I find weird but unlikely to be scum play. So I think out of bunnies and YKZ only bunnies can really be scum. It certainly is possible. Especially the heavy focus on YKZ´s "scumslip" seems suspicious. Not calling out YKZ´s scummy posts is not really alignment indicative. Not immediately noticing things that might look scummy to some can happen as both alignments. I also dislike how she agrees with Artanis that Release is scummy but doesn´t think he´s scum because she wants to be right about YKZ and her association read. It also feels like townreading Artanis is some kind of "You´re scumreading me, so I´ll townread you". I think Snickers has been posting strangely. As if he wanted to play the newbie card without stating that he´s new. His general thought process doesn´t show a scum mindset, though. I didn´t really like where he talked about associations between bunnies and VKZ. IMO pre-flip associations are bad most of the time. Release had a not so perfect entrance to this thread. At first glance his case on YKZ seemed good but it basically comes down to the few points bunnies has made on YKZ and that he stuck to the Kenpachi rule for so long. That´s not very much considering the length of his posts. What kinda speaks in his favor is how suddenly several people jumped on him after Artanis made his case on him. Still kinda neutral on him, maybe a bit scummy. I´m having a townread on sloosh right now. Mainly because his posting feels different from Detention where we were scum together. He´s asking questions and seems to be trying to get behind the reasons from the others. I think Artanis´case on Release made sense but slooshs case on him also made sense even though it´s not that strong. The fact that he almost completely ignored the back and forth between YKZ and bunnies is slightly suspicious. But it´s true that the back and forth was repetitive and I don´t think there was anything that´s really scummy in it. I agree with his reason for scumreading bunnies, it´s something I´m also sumreading her for. Slight townread on him. Not much on the others, yet. I´ll hopefully post more tomorrow. Yeah, if you read that, you don't think "I guess he probably votes bunnies at the end there, that makes sense to me". No, you don't think that at all. Not even a LITTLE bit. There's nothign that even remotely a case on bunnies there. And look at his response to people attacking him after this: On June 18 2014 05:38 mderg wrote: I was pretty heavily leaning scum on bunnies, so voting her seems logical, doesn´t it? I was also pretty sure that I´d be here today, just not how much time I could invest. On June 18 2014 06:42 mderg wrote: My vote stays on bunnies today. Nothing today that changed my mind and I need some sleep now. We should definitely look into VE and Snickers, though. He was NOT leaning scum on bunnies. He acted like he thought both me and bunnies were town (which of course scum would know). He never actually writes a case on bunnies. He defends himself a bit sporadically and doesn't elaborate on his case on bunnies, and it's noteworthy that although he claims a townread on me, he doesn't defend me, the vote leader, during D2. His vote on 27nb and general defense afterwards are a pretty low tier D1, and he doesn't justify the vote, or his case on VE today, well at all. I wonder if he was not anticipating me looking so bad today, and now he's in a tough position of wanting to vote a townie on the block, but not being able to, since he "townreads" me. This would explain the lack of defense, and the fact that he has barely posted in the last 36 hours except to townread me then ask if I play like this usually. I'd characterise mderg's play as disinterested and unfocused. An acceptable lynch for these reasons, especially the lack of staking out a solid defense (or even a solid "I changed my mind on this") post on me since, basically any time since his initial townread on em. Take a look at his "case" on bunnies. In his filter, it's clear that the bunnies vote doesn't come from the thoughts he posted in the thread. Probably he was just posting a reads thing to look good as scum, and one of his scumbuddies reminded him he needed to vote. Like shit, man, who forgets to call someone scum or write a case? He even acts like he was leaning scum on bunnies or he had some sort of reason, even after he explicitly calls my case on bunnies unconvincing IN THE POST THAT HE VOTES BUNNIES IN. I don't even need to read the other votes up (though I will, in due time) because if you look at mderg, the way he voted bunnies is in no way related to a town thought process. Take a look at the spoilered quote, his vote post (at the time his only post in the thread) with the ##vote taken out. There's NO WAY the ##vote follows from that post. It's out of place because he doesn't have an actually town scumhunting and thought process to refer to. He's scum. ##unvote ##vote mderg Q: I am lazy and dont' want to read your long post. A: read this spoilered post by mderg, his first post, and his only voting post from D1. I have removed the ##vote from it, and reading it, you have no freaking clue that he's gonna vote 27nb. It looks like he's townreading 27nb. And then he votes her. He is scum. I have boldfaced the parts in which he refers to bunnies as town. + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2014 09:11 mderg wrote: I almost forgot about this due to the world cup The whole thing with YKZ and bunnies is really strange. It feels like they´re both wrong [about each other being scum], bunnies more so thab YKZ, though. I don´t think bunnies case was well substantiated at all, scumslips just almost never happen in forum mafia. I also don´t think the Kenpachi rule is as foolproof as YKZ said. It has some solid reasoning behind it but claiming that it always works seems stupid. They´ve kinda been repeating themselves quite often, so there´s not that much to get from this. I think YKZ is town because of the follow up on bunnies I don´t think scum would so blatantly say that he acted scummy and someone should have pointed it out. This feels like a trap made by town. He´s also claimed vt early on which I find weird but unlikely to be scum play. So I think out of bunnies and YKZ only bunnies can really be scum. It certainly is possible. Especially the heavy focus on YKZ´s "scumslip" seems suspicious. Not calling out YKZ´s scummy posts is not really alignment indicative. Not immediately noticing things that might look scummy to some can happen as both alignments. I also dislike how she agrees with Artanis that Release is scummy but doesn´t think he´s scum because she wants to be right about YKZ and her association read. It also feels like townreading Artanis is some kind of "You´re scumreading me, so I´ll townread you". I think Snickers has been posting strangely. As if he wanted to play the newbie card without stating that he´s new. His general thought process doesn´t show a scum mindset, though. I didn´t really like where he talked about associations between bunnies and VKZ. IMO pre-flip associations are bad most of the time. Release had a not so perfect entrance to this thread. At first glance his case on YKZ seemed good but it basically comes down to the few points bunnies has made on YKZ and that he stuck to the Kenpachi rule for so long. That´s not very much considering the length of his posts. What kinda speaks in his favor is how suddenly several people jumped on him after Artanis made his case on him. Still kinda neutral on him, maybe a bit scummy. I´m having a townread on sloosh right now. Mainly because his posting feels different from Detention where we were scum together. He´s asking questions and seems to be trying to get behind the reasons from the others. I think Artanis´case on Release made sense but slooshs case on him also made sense even though it´s not that strong. The fact that he almost completely ignored the back and forth between YKZ and bunnies is slightly suspicious. But it´s true that the back and forth was repetitive and I don´t think there was anything that´s really scummy in it. I agree with his reason for scumreading bunnies, it´s something I´m also sumreading her for. Slight townread on him. Not much on the others, yet. I´ll hopefully post more tomorrow. ##vote ??? | ||
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YouKnowZhou
United States262 Posts
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mderg
Germany1739 Posts
On June 20 2014 11:27 Snickers wrote: ##Vote mderg For admitting he said something that he did not, plus his scum play from day one. Got questions for me? Look at my filter. Good Luck see you after lynch. Can you quote that, so I know what you mean? On June 20 2014 07:00 Snickers wrote: When I look at the thread 4 to 5 hours from now and I continue seeing dumbness. I'm going to make one more post to vote someone then afk till lynch. I already contributed enough , especially compared to some players. Do I understand it correctly that you´re leaving for the rest of day 2 because you think that you contributed enough already? What kind of shit reasoning is that? | ||
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