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On June 04 2014 12:34 Amiko wrote:Also, doesn't your post on slOosh's list basically fall apart if you consider that slOosh probably made that post expecting to be lynched himself? At the time he made the list, he was the leading wagon by a significant margin with about two hours until the lynch. I don't think he could have foreseen that so many people would move to another wagon - even if his scum partner was on slOosh and moved and gobble voted, they still had to pull in more town than I think he could reasonably expect. So, rather than- Show nested quote +
This is the current list. However, sloosh probably intended the list to be like this:
1) MZ (lynched d3) - town
2) gobble (alive)
3) bunnies (killed n2) - town
4) fuba
5) amiko
I'll also add that there's no guarantee he was planning to kill bunnies at that time - as M_Z was getting lynched, quite a few people thought slOosh was town as well. I'm not sure that would have changed just because M_Z had flipped. So, I think the people who voted slOosh wouldn't have been so townread, and bunnies may have stayed alive (especially given how she was barely playing).
Your assumption is that he sent this sympathy post to avoid being lynched - but I assumed he posted like this to protect his scum friends. He was sure he was getting lynched before he posted this for sure.(lynch mz first-> town, thus we won't really bothet with gobble/fuba anymore)
By killing off bunnies, who was busy winning in cell mafia and had no time to read our game, they eliminated 1 out of 2 analysts for town before she could react. Sloosh may not have done this, it may have just been the scum himself who did it.
It is right to assume that whoever pushed/sheeped the sloosh lynch and sheeped the MZ lynch is scum. Both palmar and fuba were doing this.
Yes, after this night, we should have role claims. Essentially, only 6 people will be left and 1 more mislynch will spell trouble for town.
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On June 04 2014 14:07 HaruRH wrote:
Your assumption is that he sent this sympathy post to avoid being lynched - but I assumed he posted like this to protect his scum friends. He was sure he was getting lynched before he posted this for sure.(lynch mz first-> town, thus we won't really bothet with gobble/fuba anymore)
Well, I think I said exactly the opposite of that assumption.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 04 2014 12:34 Amiko wrote:
Also, doesn't your post on slOosh's list basically fall apart if you consider that slOosh probably made that post expecting to be lynched himself?
At the time he made the list, he was the leading wagon by a significant margin with about two hours until the lynch.
I don't think he could have foreseen that so many people would move to another wagon - even if his scum partner was on slOosh and moved and gobble voted, they still had to pull in more town than I think he could reasonably expect.
But I don't really think it's worth talking about this anyway.
slOosh's contained scum if he wanted it to contain scum, and it contained town if he wanted it to contain town. It might contain some scum, it might contain all scum. I have no reason to think one of these is any likelier than the other - it is all just speculative guessing.
If the argument is wrong, it's speculative in ways that aren't helpful.
If the argument is right, it's speculative in ways that happen to be helpful.
Let's talk about this point because I think it's more important-
On June 04 2014 14:07 HaruRH wrote:
It is right to assume that whoever pushed/sheeped the sloosh lynch and sheeped the MZ lynch is scum. Both palmar and fuba were doing this.
First off, did you write the first sentence correctly? (scum = people who pushed/sheeped on slOosh & sheeped on M_Z)
Second, why don't you include sqrt?
Third, you realize that you also pushed/sheeped the M_Z lynch.
If you are town, why is it scummy when Palmar/fuba did this but not scummy when you did it (as town)?
Or is it scummy that you did it?
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After looking through all dead townies' reads, I came to this conclusion: fuba/palmar/slam is mafia. if any of them/I die this night, they 3 are definitely it. Lets look at all the reads one by one:
Bunnies
+ Show Spoiler +On June 01 2014 13:48 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2014 12:49 Amiko wrote:
Ok. I mean generally I'd like everyone to comment on:
- Thoughts on day 2
- Thoughts on voting at the end of the day
- Any vote analysis thoughts you have
- Anything in the filters from slOosh/gobble that you find meaningful
If you have scumreads on M_Z / Palmar / whoever, weigh in and say if it has changed at all based on the stuff above.
And yeah we are in a great position with 8 town vs 1 scum, but please don't start making plans for the next few days when we have just gotten a fair amount of new information. Thoughts on day 2: i didnt read shizz from day 2, and just voted sloosh because you seemed townie, and it was a good case. I do admit i bw the shit outta that vote. Score points for me. Haru to me seems a bit odd, tbh. Idk. Like his end of day stuff, and he was pretty sure sloosh was town. Idk ill look more into it. Also, this post i made early. Id look at sqrt next. Maybe palmer, but i still wouldnt lynch him. You can look at the post i made below as to why ( the gooble calling palmer out for the vote on me) Id have to look more into MZ Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 12:57 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 30 2014 12:02 HaruRH wrote:On May 30 2014 11:57 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Im super glad chrom was town there.
. Sorry for not being more active through the night.
I think the lynch should be fuba, or mZ, ill give reads why in a minute since I just got home. Just wanted to update.
Anything specific yall want me to look at?? Please look at palmar. Mmmk. So this is the first game ive played with palmer (outside of the cell mafia game we are playing right now) I find it a bit weird he wanted to lynch me for putting XD. Even though he claimed it wasnt trolly, it seemed pretty much like he was trolling. I find it even weirder gooble called him out for it. I thought it was funny. I find scum usually question more trolly stuff to try and push mislynches, so i would look at gooble for that. Im feeling pretty town on palmer, he didnt just sheep my push on jabber, but he gave reasonings for it after, and questioned Jabber for it. I think he points out a pretty good thing on MZ here: On May 28 2014 08:45 Palmar wrote:
MZ not everyone in the game is mafia. fuba and haru look bad, jwz is your most likely scumread and you could get behind a lynch on me, and now you're telling sqrtofneg1 that he might be mafia, while in the same breath explaining to him how he can get you to drop your "suspicion".
Welcome to my scum tier. And here + Show Spoiler +On May 28 2014 08:51 Palmar wrote:If someone isn't following why that last MZ post raises alarms (aside from the fact he's calling everyone mafia), I'll explain. Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 08:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
You know what else I don't like?
Amiko's not as active as he usually is.
Yes, he's making big posts and big cases.
Yes, he has been the most substantial player so far, in terms of post content.
But he's not as active.
Other games, he's always around, asking people questions and the like.
This game, not so much. You've thrown around a lot of suspicions this game. Instead of making a vague statement like this, interpret what it means. If you leave it vague like this, it makes it seem like you're just trying to throw dirt on him without actually having to take a stand. Instead tell us why this is a problem, maybe provide some examples if you're gonna cite his meta. The bolded quote is very much not trying to figure out i's alignment. If MZ thinks there is any chance i is mafia, why is he trying to stop i from digging his own grave under the threat of "if you keep doing this I'll be suspicious of you!!!!". This looks like MZ wants to read i as town, while still looking like he's poking people. On May 28 2014 16:43 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 13:55 slOosh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:51 Palmar wrote:If someone isn't following why that last MZ post raises alarms ( aside from the fact he's calling everyone mafia), I'll explain. On May 28 2014 08:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
You know what else I don't like?
Amiko's not as active as he usually is.
Yes, he's making big posts and big cases.
Yes, he has been the most substantial player so far, in terms of post content.
But he's not as active.
Other games, he's always around, asking people questions and the like.
This game, not so much. You've thrown around a lot of suspicions this game. Instead of making a vague statement like this, interpret what it means. If you leave it vague like this, it makes it seem like you're just trying to throw dirt on him without actually having to take a stand. Instead tell us why this is a problem, maybe provide some examples if you're gonna cite his meta. The bolded quote is very much not trying to figure out i's alignment. If MZ thinks there is any chance i is mafia, why is he trying to stop i from digging his own grave under the threat of "if you keep doing this I'll be suspicious of you!!!!". This looks like MZ wants to read i as town, while still looking like he's poking people. Palmar could you please explain your MZ read more? Which part of it do you not get? "If you leave it vague like this, it makes it seem like you're just trying to throw dirt on him without actually having to take a stand." This is basically saying "If you don't elaborate, you're acting like mafia". When in reality if MZ is town, he shouldn't care whether or not i acts like mafia, but if he is mafia. If MZ is town and thinks i is town his logical explanation should be "If you don't elaborate, you won't convince anyone". Because if MZ thinks i is town, he wouldn't care about i doing something potentially scummy for the sake of it being scummy, and rather because it is not helpful. However if MZ thinks i is mafia, why is he explaining the steps i can take to remove any suspicion MZ might have to him. It's like me saying "hey, you just made a case that is wrong, that is very mafia like. please make another case that is right so I don't have to call you mafia." It's just an absurd way of playing the game. The only reasonable conclusion is that MZ must think i is town, and thus it makes no sense for MZ to point out something i does looks like something mafia does. The reason I created in my head is that MZ knows i is town, and doesn't feel the need to call him mafia right now, but does leave the open-ended suspicion for use later. Also, i find sqrts thing on palmer weird. He goes "palmer do more work" but palmer has done a lot of work. He has given reads, questioned things, and looks like he is trying to figure out the game, I wouldn't lynch him today, but give a look at gooble and sqrt after reading this, Here are some posts from gooble on mz Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 08:51 gobbledydook wrote:On May 28 2014 08:47 Alakaslam wrote:On May 28 2014 08:45 Palmar wrote:
MZ not everyone in the game is mafia. fuba and haru look bad, jwz is your most likely scumread and you could get behind a lynch on me, and now you're telling sqrtofneg1 that he might be mafia, while in the same breath explaining to him how he can get you to drop your "suspicion".
Welcome to my scum tier. I agree. Do you have anything more to add than I Agree? Personally I feel MZ's bet hedging is more a case of not being confident of his reads more than him trying to scatter attention as a mafia. Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 08:51 gobbledydook wrote:On May 28 2014 08:47 Alakaslam wrote:On May 28 2014 08:45 Palmar wrote:
MZ not everyone in the game is mafia. fuba and haru look bad, jwz is your most likely scumread and you could get behind a lynch on me, and now you're telling sqrtofneg1 that he might be mafia, while in the same breath explaining to him how he can get you to drop your "suspicion".
Welcome to my scum tier. I agree. Do you have anything more to add than I Agree? Personally I feel MZ's bet hedging is more a case of not being confident of his reads more than him trying to scatter attention as a mafia. Gooble never outright calls MZ scum, kinda wishy washy, then calls him town, but instead goes on fuba. I dont think fuba is mafia based on gobble's reads. He was pretty hard on fuba, and i dont think he would bus here. Especially since one partner is already up for a lynch. Now onto slOosh I dont like his posting. I couldnt really pinpoint anything out of it. He wanted to lynch mz, but gooble didnt, so maybe a bus from sloosh to earn townie points? Maybe slam as mafia? Neither of them really mentioned him... Hmm... Id look at MZ, sqrt, and Slam for the next day.
Bunnies read is very superficial since she hardly read d2 at all and died n2. However, she brought out some interesting points:
1) MZ isn't mafia.
2) don't THINK fuba is mafia.
3) will look at palmar but will not lynch him.
4) sqrt/slam as top scum reads.
MZ
+ Show Spoiler + On June 02 2014 10:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 10:38 Alakaslam wrote:
Lol M_Z you basically confirmed yourself scum
There is no reason to assume I am. That is blindness to WIFOM, so now with what you said, even your statement being true would WIFOM it out of beig a heuristic. Once scum reads that, they will gladly shoot someone else and get the lynch.
But go for it Honestly slam the only thing preventing me from auto voting you right now is that if you were scum I'd have expected you to exploit your rb claim. To be fair towards you, you've handled it in a rather townie way. Once again though, I'm fine dying so you saying I "confirmed myself" means nothing.
Now that MZ is townie, his read should be taken importantly. I only used this read of his as an example because his other read is just host WIFOM. He brought out an interesting point too:
1) if slam is rb, he should have exploited it.
2) fixated on the fact that slam played rb by himself.
Palmar/slam
+ Show Spoiler +On June 03 2014 17:25 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 09:30 Amiko wrote:
@Palmar
Are there other games you've played where you are lazy in a way similar to this? Don't think I'm playing lazy. If I'm right on MZ and I think I just might be depending on the fact he isn't even trying to defend himself. I think his "I want to pick the next kill" was his last card. Then doing other stuff is completely pointless. I really don't want to waste time scumhunting a bunch of townies. As I already said, if MZ flips town we'll cross that bridge when we get there.
Both palmar and slam are playing lazy on d3. Both seem fixated that MZ should be the scum - but they leave behind future plans should this lynch fail.
Fuba
+ Show Spoiler +On June 04 2014 08:13 fuba wrote:
##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh
Bleh, I had this whole thing written up but I refreshed the page and it got erased. Was basically just apologizing for being MIA and saying that MZ seemed like a pretty set lynch, so time felt better spent on projects (and reading the new Dresden Files book, and trying out Heroes of the Storm, but mostly the final projects).
Summary of his post:
1) MZ seemed like a pretty set lynch
2) apologise for being MIA as time is better spent on projects
CONCLUSION
Firstly, fuba/slam/palmar should be our main targets now. We need a roleclaim on d4 to decide who have a higher chance of being scum.
Fuba's excuses for playing lazily on d3 is very scummy. His post was very lazy too. However, I find fuba to be trying to draw less attention over playing the 'lazy' card. Thus, he is my main scumread.
Both slam and palmar played lazily. Palmar is ranked above slam is simply because if slam is the scum, he could have exploited it more. He didn't.
(Wrote this on my phone)
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On June 04 2014 14:29 Amiko wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2014 14:07 HaruRH wrote:
Your assumption is that he sent this sympathy post to avoid being lynched - but I assumed he posted like this to protect his scum friends. He was sure he was getting lynched before he posted this for sure.(lynch mz first-> town, thus we won't really bothet with gobble/fuba anymore)
Well, I think I said exactly the opposite of that assumption. + Show Spoiler +On June 04 2014 12:34 Amiko wrote:
Also, doesn't your post on slOosh's list basically fall apart if you consider that slOosh probably made that post expecting to be lynched himself?
At the time he made the list, he was the leading wagon by a significant margin with about two hours until the lynch.
I don't think he could have foreseen that so many people would move to another wagon - even if his scum partner was on slOosh and moved and gobble voted, they still had to pull in more town than I think he could reasonably expect. But I don't really think it's worth talking about this anyway. slOosh's contained scum if he wanted it to contain scum, and it contained town if he wanted it to contain town. It might contain some scum, it might contain all scum. I have no reason to think one of these is any likelier than the other - it is all just speculative guessing. If the argument is wrong, it's speculative in ways that aren't helpful. If the argument is right, it's speculative in ways that happen to be helpful.
Let's talk about this point because I think it's more important- Show nested quote +On June 04 2014 14:07 HaruRH wrote:
It is right to assume that whoever pushed/sheeped the sloosh lynch and sheeped the MZ lynch is scum. Both palmar and fuba were doing this.
First off, did you write the first sentence correctly? (scum = people who pushed/sheeped on slOosh & sheeped on M_Z) Second, why don't you include sqrt? Third, you realize that you also pushed/sheeped the M_Z lynch. If you are town, why is it scummy when Palmar/fuba did this but not scummy when you did it (as town)? Or is it scummy that you did it?
I had my suspicions on MZ on d2 already. It was simply a matter of fact before I voted MZ.
Palmar and fuba sheeped MZ push on the context of 'lazy'
I guess I should word it as 'scum sheeped/pushed a sloosh lynch &sheeped a MZ lynch'.
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Post me any questions if you need, I'll answer them all.
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On your points-
On June 04 2014 14:49 HaruRH wrote:
I had my suspicions on MZ on d2 already. It was simply a matter of fact before I voted MZ.
Palmar and fuba sheeped MZ push on the context of 'lazy'
I guess I should word it as 'scum sheeped/pushed a sloosh lynch &sheeped a MZ lynch'.
I keep getting confused by what you are saying, I can't tell if you are mixing up words.
Could you respond to these by number? It just might reduce the chance I'll misunderstand you
(1)
Look at the green text.
Did the people you name as scummy sheep/push a sloosh lynch?
For Palmar, it seems to me he voted MZ and pushed that. How did he sheep/push a sloosh lynch?
For fuba, I guess he initially sheeped sloosh, but he moved to MZ.
For Slam, I guess he did sheep the slOosh lynch.
It seems to me that you mostly townread people who sheep/push a slOosh lynch (see #2)
(2)
Why do you think scum sheeped/pushed a sloosh lynch (as you said in the green text)? This seems inconsistent because you have mostly townread people who have done that.
Bunnies sheeped a sloosh lynch (confirmed town)
M_Z sheeped a sloosh lynch (confirmed town)
I pushed a sloosh lynch (practically confirmed town)
mderg sheeped a sloosh lynch (I think you townread him?)
If you look at Palmar/fuba, it seems to be that the people you think are town "sheeped/pushed a sloosh lynch"
So I don't understand how you are using that as a heuristic.
(3)
Why do you townread mderg but scumread alakaslam?
It seems like you are reading people primarily through voting patterns and through slOosh's death list.
But aren't these players nearly identical in these two respects?
(4)
You didn't talk about sqrt (again)
Why isn't sqrt scummy to you when he moved from slOosh to MZ?
Why is fuba scummy for moving from slOosh to MZ but you / sqrt are not?
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On June 04 2014 08:55 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2014 08:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 04 2014 08:35 HaruRH wrote:On June 04 2014 08:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 04 2014 08:26 HaruRH wrote:
Pretty disappointed with this game as my first game lol. Was basically carried by amiko and mafia did nothing fun. I guess there are stuff to take out from this experience, probably that I need to present myself as an alpha townie better. Anyway, thanks for the experience, this is pretty much a confirmed lynch (unless a town flip happens). You can still catch the last scum, don't write yourself off yet. We shall see in an hour and a half, I guess? My advice is look at people who didn't post a lot today, I know that's a lot of people but scum had no reason to do anything because of the easy ML I'm not mafia. If I'm not mafia, who is mafia MZ. I will move this lynch off you if I can if your answer is good enough.
Btw any thoughts on this post from Palmar? It seemed a little different to me.
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I need to word this properly.
It would be easier to answer this as It is right to assume that whoever pushed/sheeped the sloosh lynch and/or sheeped the MZ lynch is scum.
Palmar indeed went for MZ on d2 instead, but he offered no new arguments on d3 on why MZ is still scum. He went from
MZ is mafia
to
On June 02 2014 04:43 Palmar wrote:
@Amiko I'm not sure on MZ (mostly because if he was mafia wouldn't he just have surrendered by now?). But I still want to lynch him.
I still think he's the correct lynch, I'm just not entirely convinced I'm going to end up being right. It's just normal doubt. "It can't be this easy".
So his decision on d3 to lynch MZ can only be explained as 'sheeping'.
(2)
Not ALL who sheeped/pushed for a slosh lynch is scum, but they are definitely inside. The townread are used to exclude those who might be scum VS those who might not be, which in this case is you (which I initially did not townread) and mderg (which is a strong townread). Bunnies and MZ wasn't townread at all, they died town.
(3)
mderg is playing like a town would. On the first day, he did not sheep along with the jwz wagon and instead went for MZ, which was his main aim. On the second day, he was still fixated on a MZ lynch until your legendary play came about. Third day, still MZ. If he was scum, this is too much of an over-commitment. -> town
Slam, on the other hand, have quite a few suspect remarks. Both him and palmar seemed to play d3 as 'lazy', which is weird. Albeit not as weird as fuba playing it as 'this game ends therefore I afk'.
(4)
sqrt is a special case. I won't rule him out, but he is less scummy than any of them 3. Sqrt have the special property of being indecisive - On d1, he couldn't decide on jwz or palmar. He presented both palmar and jwz as his top scum read, but settled on fuba in the end:
On May 29 2014 07:05 sqrtofneg1 wrote:I propose a new wagon: Fuba. He votes jwz, and then unvotes him the next post with this explanation: Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 15:31 fuba wrote:
But the last game was Classroom, the game that got remade. And since jabber was scum in that game, he knew that Chrom wasn't. Which means that he knew chrom wasn't scum, but suggested that possibility anyway. While I can't give an exact reason for scum|jabber to lie, I don't see any reason for town|jabber to.
...Though now that I think of it, unless the scumteam is the exact three people it was last time, then jabber would be incredibly unlikely to intentionally lie about who was on it, since at least one scum from last game would be town this game and would point out that he's lying. So either this was just a mistake on his part or I'm misunderstanding some part of the interaction. Either way, I'm pretty sure I've talked myself out of this...
##Unvote Soon after, he votes him again. His next significant post, and his last post is this: Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 06:35 fuba wrote:
Every vote wasn't on jabber. It's taken the majority of two days to get the vote to reach this point. There's been significant discussion about it, and there are legitimate reasons to consider him scum.
I'd also like to point out that jabber hasn't been defending himself or offering an alternative wagon for the last 20 hours or so. This tends to be a scum reaction to a large wagon building against them, rather than a town reaction.
If anyone has a specific person they'd like me to comment on, I might have time to squeeze in a filter dive before the deadline. My quick read through the thread didn't leave a whole lot of time for contemplation. I can say that no one struck me as more likely to be scum than jabber. I know a few people asked me specific questions, so I'll try to answer those in the meantime. Just gotta find 'em. Has there been significant discussion about jwz? Also, I disagree that the fact that he hasn't defended himself or offered an alternative wagon indicates that he's scum. I feel that jwz's attitude right now is more like a town who's resigned to being mislynched. This guy hasn't made much contributions. This guy doesn't look like town to me. This guy is scum. ##Vote: fuba
Second day, he was also indecisive : sloosh or MZ. However, like me, he settled on MZ and suspected you as the scum for trying to push this lynch too hard.
Third day, settled on MZ, wanted palmar dead next. This is pretty much what I think too at that time (until I got a fuba read).
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Sqrt:
What is your rationale for moving off fuba after d1?
Any strong reasons why?
Who are your top 2 scum reads now?
Amiko:
Who is your top 2 scum reads now? Why?
Who is your top 2 town reads? Why?
Who will you push on d4?
Alakaslam:
Try to answer this in the most non-troll way possible:
What is the reason for posting lazily like this on d3?
Fuba:
Any defenses to my claim?
I hope to read these responses even if I die this night, such that I can have a better read.
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On June 04 2014 15:48 Amiko wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2014 08:55 Palmar wrote:On June 04 2014 08:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 04 2014 08:35 HaruRH wrote:On June 04 2014 08:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 04 2014 08:26 HaruRH wrote:
Pretty disappointed with this game as my first game lol. Was basically carried by amiko and mafia did nothing fun. I guess there are stuff to take out from this experience, probably that I need to present myself as an alpha townie better. Anyway, thanks for the experience, this is pretty much a confirmed lynch (unless a town flip happens). You can still catch the last scum, don't write yourself off yet. We shall see in an hour and a half, I guess? My advice is look at people who didn't post a lot today, I know that's a lot of people but scum had no reason to do anything because of the easy ML I'm not mafia. If I'm not mafia, who is mafia MZ. I will move this lynch off you if I can if your answer is good enough. Btw any thoughts on this post from Palmar? It seemed a little different to me.
It wasn't different. It was a last ditch effort to get MZ to actually do something. I was never gonna move off the lynch, that part was a lie.
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Tbh I still think this game will solve itself. We _still_ have two blues.
Btw, if a blue claims in lylo mafia can counterclaim. So it's probably better to claim one cycle before lylo. I don't know how obvious this is but please make sure we don't waste confirmed townies.
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On June 04 2014 19:48 Palmar wrote:
Tbh I still think this game will solve itself. We _still_ have two blues.
Btw, if a blue claims in lylo mafia can counterclaim. So it's probably better to claim one cycle before lylo. I don't know how obvious this is but please make sure we don't waste confirmed townies.
D4 will be 2 more cycles before lylo so it should be even safer to claim on d4. At least there is a day's worth of buffer time for n4 so that they can actually prove they are blues.
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They don't need to prove it, that's the point.
If someone claims blue, he's confirmed town, unless he gets counterclaimed. If someone counterclaims, one of the two is mafia and we lynch one and then the other in lylo.
You don't need any buffers etc.
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All we need is a claim 1 day before lylo (although if we have a cop, claiming seconds before deadline tonight might be a good idea).
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unless the cop has breadcrumbed well. But tbh I'm sort of expecting us to have a watcher and a medic.
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I don´t think discussing the setup will really bring us further. It should be clear that blues should claim before lylo because that confirms them since scum can´t counterclaim.
I had fuba as town after day 2 but after that he kinda chose to disappear. This is strange, especially because he was against lynching sloosh. I think that you should put in more work than just voting on the main bandwagon after you vehemently opposed lynching scum.
I get a townie feeling from sqrt, I don´t really agree with everything he says but it definitely feels like he is trying to figure out the game. He´s active and questioning things, so i´d say he´s probably town.
I´m not really sure about Palmar, he´s been playing pretty lazy but not to an extreme. He´s definitely capable of doing that as town but it felt like he was not even trying to look beyond the MZ lynch which was odd.
HaruRH was quite active the last few days and seems to be trying to solve the game. His plan of lynching sloosh´s scumlist is based is strange, though. It has solid reasoning behind it but it hugely based on assumptions about sloosh´s intentions. Coincidentally I don´t think HaruRH was on that list. I´m still leaning town on him but this is definitely in the back of my mind.
Slam is a mystery to me. His posts make sense but I feel like he is not pushing his reads at all. He´s null for me.
Amiko is most likely town. I don´t see any way he can be scum.
Also I think the MZ lynch was very detrimental for us. There was a lack of good discussion and it´s difficult to get good reads based on that lynch.
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The MZ lynch needed to happen though. He wasn't even defending himself.
To me, Amiko is off the table for now unless this is some massive busplay. However he has been right for the right reasons a lot this game sooo yeah.
mderg made that most townie sounding post I've seen back on day 1. so for tomorrow I think he's off the table as far as I'm concerned.
I'm looking into the others.
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On June 04 2014 22:28 Palmar wrote:
The MZ lynch needed to happen though. He wasn't even defending himself.
To me, Amiko is off the table for now unless this is some massive busplay. However he has been right for the right reasons a lot this game sooo yeah.
mderg made that most townie sounding post I've seen back on day 1. so for tomorrow I think he's off the table as far as I'm concerned.
I'm looking into the others.
I agree that the MZ lynch needed to happen but in the end it didn´t bring us any further.
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On June 04 2014 22:33 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2014 22:28 Palmar wrote:
The MZ lynch needed to happen though. He wasn't even defending himself.
To me, Amiko is off the table for now unless this is some massive busplay. However he has been right for the right reasons a lot this game sooo yeah.
mderg made that most townie sounding post I've seen back on day 1. so for tomorrow I think he's off the table as far as I'm concerned.
I'm looking into the others. I agree that the MZ lynch needed to happen but in the end it didn´t bring us any further.
IMO the lynch did show us that fuba is either playing 'lazy' or trying to avoid attention. Awfully quiet from him these few days (d2&3)
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On June 04 2014 22:37 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2014 22:33 mderg wrote:On June 04 2014 22:28 Palmar wrote:
The MZ lynch needed to happen though. He wasn't even defending himself.
To me, Amiko is off the table for now unless this is some massive busplay. However he has been right for the right reasons a lot this game sooo yeah.
mderg made that most townie sounding post I've seen back on day 1. so for tomorrow I think he's off the table as far as I'm concerned.
I'm looking into the others. I agree that the MZ lynch needed to happen but in the end it didn´t bring us any further. IMO the lynch did show us that fuba is either playing 'lazy' or trying to avoid attention. Awfully quiet from him these few days (d2&3)
Ok, we got something out of it. But it´s not much.
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