Detention Mafia - Page 54

On June 04 2014 16:20 HaruRH wrote:
Sqrt:

What is your rationale for moving off fuba after d1?
Any strong reasons why?
Who are your top 2 scum reads now?

On May 31 2014 15:45 fuba wrote:
I'm glad you mentioned sqrt, because he's someone who's stuck out to me.

His reason for unvoting jabber and voting palmar was that lynches like that end up being wrong. It turns out that he was right, but isn't that a really, really strange reason to unvote someone when you have legitimate reasons to believe he's scum in front of you? Then he swaps back to jabber in order to get more information, even though he thinks palmar is scummier. He then unvotes jabber because of his defense. Not the content of his defense, because that was scummy. He basically unvoted because jabber gave A reason. It wasn't a "too scummy to be scum" argument, it was just - he gave a reason, I think he's town. Then while interacting with Chrom, he says that he doesn't think jabber is town (except he actually did explicitly say "I think he's town now."), but he thinks there's a possibility that jabber is town. This is a really strange thing to say as town because unless someone is somehow modconfirmed scum, there is always the possibility that they're town. That's a given, it's understood by everyone. But he reiterates the fact that he thinks jabber is scummy, but might be town, but might also be scum, about 3-4 times.

There's also the fact that he says he wants to lynch jabber for the information earlier on in the day, and later says that he gained no information from the lynch. Clearly his reason for voting jabber at that time was bs, because if you've noticed something that will give you information based on jabber's flip, that thing doesn't just disappear.

Then there's his read of me. He suggests me as a possible scum wagon rivaling that of jabber. Seems to indicate that he's really sure of it. But when jabber flips town, which I would have expected to increase his scumread on me, he doesn't mention me at all. Nothing whatsoever until:


This isn't something you say about your strong scumread.

However:


I'm back on his town list. On the same level as mderg and amiko, who I feel is almost positively town. I went from one of his top scumreads to one of his towniest reads, after the jabber lynch revealed that whatever small contributions I had were in favor of what turned out to be a mislynch. And even if I'm reading too much into me being on this list with amiko, he still considers me town. I don't see why this would be his reaction to the D1 lynch.

But the next day:


Suddenly I'm back on the scumlist. These are the only mentions of me after his case. This is more than just changing his mind, this is two unexplained and absolute reversals of his read - after an event that should have straight-up solidified his scumread of me if it was legitimate.

And finally there's the little things, like the fact that he started the game talking about himself being mafia, and that he seemed concerned about having said "I've rolled mafia twice" instead of "I've never rolled mafia except twice", when it would have been clear what he meant without the correction. And pointing out someone who might be blue even though there's no reason for town to do so.

I'm actually getting too tired to keep my eyes open at this point, so I'll leave it at this for now. I'll take a closer look at slOosh and MZ tomorrow, and see if I think either one is scummier than sqrt. I've read the cases, but haven't filtered them too well. In case it wasn't clear in my last post, I'm really unsure about gobble at this point. He did ignore my questions, he does feel like he's not reading everything I'm writing, and it feels like he's simply refusing to believe I could possibly be town. Could be stubborn, could be scum. I don't know anymore, and it seems like it's kinda off the table for the moment. Even if he is scum, there's two others out there so I'm looking for them for now.

##Vote: sqrtofneg1

On June 04 2014 23:00 Palmar wrote:
Discussing the setup is fine btw.

If my count is right, tomorrow we'll be 6 people alive.

mderg
HaruRH
sqrtofneg1
Amiko
Alakaslam
fuba
Palmar

that's 5v1.

I would suggest in a 5v1 scenario that town no-lynches, bringing it down to 4v1 (and that's when claims should happen at latest) -> lynch -> nk -> 2v1 (lylo).

The reason we should no-lynch is that it gives cop/watcher additional night to work with. Of course mafia might decide to not shoot in the 5v1 scenario forcing us to lynch, but in that case just lynch.

On June 05 2014 02:04 HaruRH wrote:
I doubt we have a medic (or we have one which fails every night). Cop seems improbable since a red would have been found out by now, given that everyone wanted to lynch sloosh/gobble/MZ.

On June 05 2014 02:04 HaruRH wrote:


Since Bh just stated no no-lynches, we can only go with:
5v1 -> role claims
3v1 -> lylo

I doubt we have a medic (or we have one which fails every night). Cop seems improbable since a red would have been found out by now, given that everyone wanted to lynch sloosh/gobble/MZ.

On June 05 2014 02:20 fuba wrote:

We have to have two of cop/medic/watcher. I'm leaning towards there not being a cop, but I wouldn't rule it out just yet. And if there's a medic/watcher or both, I'd bet they're keeping an eye on Amiko, which is why scum keep getting kills off. I'm not suggesting they stop (medic/watcher), just explaining what I'm seeing.

About to read through your thoughts again, will be back with thoughts of my own ^^

On June 05 2014 02:22 sqrtofneg1 wrote:

Medic can't save same person twice in a row.

On June 05 2014 02:33 fuba wrote:

Did BH clarify that somewhere? I don't see it in the OP.

On June 05 2014 02:57 fuba wrote:
I just checked out the votes from the SlOosh lynch again, and I feel like there's a really strong chance that all scum were on the MZ wagon D2, or the last one could have switched over and gotten a mislynch. Amiko was right in that since I was wrong, I was giving scum the chance to switch over to MZ easily. The fact that they didn't makes me feel that one of Palmar/sqrt/Haru is scum. I've already explained why I don't think sqrt and Haru are scum, so that leaves me with Palmar for tomorrow's lynch.