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Blazinghand
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No offense to Koshi | ||
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27ninjabunnies
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On May 24 2014 03:17 Holyflare wrote: Steveling you are misinterpreting so many things because of language barriers And yeh hapa, that's the last time i listen to anything you have to say! </3 Well he quoted my post and said "him", so not my fault rly. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
(To be clear: I don't have any strong read on you, but I think you're more likely town based on your constant activity and being engaged with the thread.) | ||
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Blazinghand
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On May 24 2014 03:19 Xatalos wrote: Steveling, I have never actually called you scum. The "Scumeling" thing was just a joke. (To be clear: I don't have any strong read on you, but I think you're more likely town based on your constant activity and being engaged with the thread.) Well, that's nice to hear. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Just remember my mafia friends, in multi-faction game historically, the faction that focused their night hits on the opposing faction were far more likely to win than those that prioritized mafia shots. I think it was something crazy like 9/10 last time I looked. The reason for this is that the top priority should be to eliminate the rival mafia kp. The town lynch cannot be eliminated until all town members are dead, but the mafia factional kp can be removed by killing off a much smaller group of players. Additionally, you can save yourself from a lynch by talking your way out, but you can't deal with a bullet that you don't know about. The opposing mafia faction can manipulate the vote based on their additional knowledge, which is much more of a threat than town, which is in the dark. Finally, claiming a scum shoot is a free pass to get out of jail if you get in trouble during the following cycle. The only time you want to start shooting obvious townies is a scenario where the mafia factions need to work together at like 8/1/1 or something. The reason that I was looking for Heart/Spade posts is that I am somewhat paranoid about a multi-faction scum team that wins together, but is not aware of each others identities. As a result, they may need to breadcrumb their identities to the other half. Something to keep in mind at least. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On May 24 2014 03:19 Steveling wrote: Well he quoted my post and said "him", so not my fault rly. It's not just that. You've made some whole associative thing with cav/kita/marv on a post that you don't understand the context of because it's some kind of English nuance | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On May 24 2014 03:21 Holyflare wrote: It's not just that. You've made some whole associative thing with cav/kita/marv on a post that you don't understand the context of because it's some kind of English nuance I get what you mean but you are the one who doesn't understand me. I said that no matter what their reasons where I still find it scummy. You said that they were joking. See what I mean? Doesn't matter why they had this little 3 man train, joking or not, I don't like it. | ||
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Xatalos
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layabout
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On May 24 2014 03:23 Steveling wrote: I get what you mean but you are the one who doesn't understand me. I said that no matter what their reasons where I still find it scummy. You said that they were joking. See what I mean? Doesn't matter why they had this little 3 man train, joking or not, I don't like it. If i was around i would have also +1'd it. You don't like it because you've drawn a conclusion based on your understanding of what it says in basic english when to native speakers it's quite clearly a jab at bh in a joking way. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On May 23 2014 05:00 ShiaoPi wrote: VOTE COUNT: mtamburini (8): Valenius (2): geript (0): Koshi (0): Steveling (0): Alakaslam (0): Hapahauli (0): Yell0w (1): Xatalos (0): jampidampi (0): 27ninjabunnies (1): Cephiro sqrtofneg1 (0): bkqyrldp (0): OdinOfPergo (13): Blazinghand, Holyflare (1): WaveofShadow, WaveofShadow (0): Blazinghand (1): thrawn2112 (0): marvellosity (0): layabout (1): ritoky (0): BlueyD (0): Tehpoofter (1): mtamburini Not voting (2): MysterMeat1, OdinofPergo OdinOfPergo was lynched with 13 votes! I'm going to use the above votecount to structure my thoughts. By looking at the votes, we can get a better idea about the motivations of certain players, and it can help identify certain mafia tells that might be present in a multi-faction game. I'm dividing posters into 3 categories:
People off of the main wagons: There's a good chance that certain mafia/faction members will want to "blend-in" and "hide", and one very instinctual way of doing that is to avoid the main course of discussion, take "non-controversial" stances, and avoid contributing by pursuing/voting someone who is not being talked about and has very little chance of getting lynched. In this category of players, we have: mtamburini rikoty geript Cephiro Tehpoofter kitaman sqrtofneg1 WaveofShadow I'm going to start with Mafia Reads, move to Null Reads, and then to Townies: Mtamburini + Show Spoiler + Mtamburini's vote looks extremely bad by all accounts. On May 23 2014 03:45 mtamburini wrote: I Vote:: tehpoofter why? No one else has and I can be the first one to say in post game if he is scum to say I TOLD YOU SO MOFOS harharharhar Tehpoofter had virtually no chance of getting lynched yesterday, and this is the definition of a wasted vote by all accounts. His reasoning for placing his vote where it was is also pretty suspect: why? No one else has and I can be the first one to say in post game if he is scum to say I TOLD YOU SO MOFOS On May 23 2014 04:36 mtamburini wrote: I have a lot of reading to catch up on so if I had to found scum based on the first 45 pages of this game I probably couldnt do so. poofter was in my initial scum reads moving towards null. ... On May 23 2014 04:59 mtamburini wrote: tehpoofter uses sarcasm as either allignment but you can usually tell by the tone of his sarcasm what allignement he is. From his initial posts Im reading the sarcasm as more scummy then towny All of this is really strange. The first two quotes can be barely considered reads. The 3rd quote is extremely manufactured and makes very little sense - tambo had never mentioned tehpoofters "sarcasm" all game, and then it shows up in a very mystical and unexplained read (what is the difference between town/mafia sarcasm?). Quote #2 is additionally strange - he voted a read (tehpoofter) that he felt was moving from Scummy to Null. Not only is this really weak, but he did so over Bunnies, who he's been seemingly tunneling most of the game, and has explicitly called her a strong scum-read in earlier posts. His rationale for not voting Bunnies is weak and makes little sense: On May 23 2014 04:36 mtamburini wrote: ... Im not going to vote on bunnies because I think she might be town and just needs some time to cool off and get her head in gear. ... To understand why this makes so little sense, read this post... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=45#896 ...then read page 3 of his filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?user=mtamburini&page=3 He doesn't vote a scumread because he believes that scumread could be town, but then votes tehpoofter (his "scummy moving to null" read) because... man I don't even know. sqrtofneg1 + Show Spoiler + His deadline behavior is pretty strange. After he comes back a couple of hours before lynch deadline, he quickly establishes a town-read on Odin... On May 23 2014 03:03 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Okay, looking at Odin's filter myself, I think he's just a vanilla townie. Scum would try harder to get out of it. As a vanilla townie, he wouldn't care. On May 23 2014 03:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I recommend lynching Val. Odin may seem scum, but I think he's VT. It's a very poorly explained town-read. His point about "Odin not trying to get out of the lynch" doesn't make much sense either, since Odin had stated earlier he'd be gone until the deadline. Futhermore, Odin was under very little pressure at the time he said that. It seems more like he's trying to justify not voting for Odin as opposed to being sincere with his read. Sqrt then pops down a very "clean" vote on Valenius... On May 23 2014 03:12 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Okay, I've played games with both tambo and val, and here's what I've got so far. Valenius's filter from NMM LIV: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445959-newbie-mini-mafia-liv?user=Valenius&view=all He was vanilla town. He was much more active in scumhunting, he was much more direct, he was different. Tambo's filter from NMM LV: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?user=mtamburini He was vanilla town. The filter is a bit more strange because he claimed vig, but it's more accurate of his play than when he was cop imo. I've concluded that Valenius has been acting more strange, in comparison, rather than Tambo. ##Unvote ##Vote: Valenius ... then POOF! He's gone for the last two hours of shenanigans! Despite having a town read on Odin, he never seems to try and act on it to prevent it. He disappears... then instantly reappears at lynch deadline! This is a really suspicious 2 hours of absence. Another *really* odd thing about his filter is how many town reads he gives out over the course of the game. He gives them out like candy, is seemingly confident in a lot of them, and... yeah. I'm not sure if this is a mafia tell in this particular setup, but it's something that definetely caught my eye on a readthrough. Cephiro + Show Spoiler + Given that Cephiro was AFK for the last half of the day, it's hard for me to get an accurate read on him. However the first half of his day 1 play seems like it would come from some sort of faction. I won't talk much about the contents of his big case. What's more important is that he didn't talk about anything other than his case on bunnies at all. This lines up with the idea of a faction wanting to "hunt" for players, but not necessarily interested in contributing to town discussion. Again, hard to make a complete read on him due to him being AFK for a while, but his play objectively fits pretty well with how I'd think a faction member hunting other faction members would approach this game: find a target, push him/her, and really not contribute to town discussion otherwise. Ritoky + Show Spoiler + Hard to say. His play is pretty short and straightforward. He believed layabout was scum, voted him, and then had to step out: On May 22 2014 19:48 ritoky wrote: Well, I am going to sleep and I am not sure if I will make it back before the deadline. For me it's between WOS and layabout. WOS contributes and I basically don't like much of anything he says. Layabout doesn't contribute, and when he does its mostly shit filling. Gonna go with layabout. ##vote layabout Nothing in his filter that screams his alignment one way or the other. WaveofShadow + Show Spoiler + Well he replaced out. This makes a lot of his lack of interest and activity in the latter half of the game pretty explainable. I wasn't altogether please with his play (especially his stuff on Holyflare), but it's better not to make judgements about an incomplete filter and let his replacement talk some. Geript I believe to be town. Geript is extremely active and emotional this game. His tunnels seem very genuine, and while he ended up on BlazingHand, he definitely was very involved in the chaos and discussion of the day. He's drawn a ton of attention to himself, and really isn't someone I'm concerned about. Tehpoofter I'm less sure about, but I think he's town. He's playing extraordinarily different from his scum-game in You Only Shoot Once, and was fairly active/involved early on. He was afk for the last ~24 hours of the day (not changing his vote or posting at all), which leads me to believe his vote being off of one of the main wagons is a null-tell. Based on his early day behavior, I give him a moderate town read, with the expectation that he continues that in future days. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On May 24 2014 03:12 Steveling wrote: You guys keep refusing to play this game. BH's filter consists of the rng thing, a ridiculous case on his poor sod towny rng target and basically him being satisfied with himself that he managed to pull off the rng thing. tis all Until you actually contribute I think I'll ignore your silly jabs. Any and all jabs should simply merit this result. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/291067-student-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome?user=Blazinghand Some choice quotes On December 10 2011 13:19 Blazinghand wrote: BKEXE, I'd be more careful about how I post, were I you. I personally feel a great deal of frustration in my attempts to parse the tomato-stained spaghetti that you call "analysis", and I am one of the more patient folk here. Please, for the good of the town (if you are town) make your case in a legible fashion. Thank you. more funly worded but I still just called a dude bad and told him to be better moral of the story is i'm just a dick | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
Does that mean you agree with all the other reads? What do you think of these people? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On May 24 2014 03:25 layabout wrote: That case on y3llow is horrific and i would normally call it pretty scummy tbh. Being absent during the last 3 hours of the day (which is when the odin wagon started in earnest) is not something that we can necessarily infer things from because we have no way of knowing if the absence is legitimate. That's a narrative, a few quotes and no argument with some added complaining about doing work for the thread. the dude was absent for way more than the last 3 hours of the day tho and he hasn't veen back since then so yewah, get served | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On May 24 2014 03:25 Holyflare wrote: If i was around i would have also +1'd it. You don't like it because you've drawn a conclusion based on your understanding of what it says in basic english when to native speakers it's quite clearly a jab at bh in a joking way. Why can't you comprehend this? xD Yes I know exactly why this happened, I don't like it. lol | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On May 24 2014 03:26 Blazinghand wrote: the dude was absent for way more than the last 3 hours of the day tho and he hasn't veen back since then so yewah, get served Doesn't that highlight the fact that he's just not around? | ||
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