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Also I would appreciated if somebody gave me feedback on what I wrote on tehpoofter here cause it kinda got buried and I didn't see him answer to it:
On April 05 2014 09:15 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 20:07 Tehpoofter wrote:On April 03 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:hey tehpoofter! are you around? did you get converted or something? why did you stop playing during D2  I'm around, sadly not converted as apparently we lost our shrink and doctor. That sucks gum played it like that with the name thing. I thought it was interesting kush can do the vote thing and shoot during the day that's a pretty strong town role imo. I think you pointed this out thrawn. I think scum is somewhere between Vivax, Hopeless, Toad.... Vivax for reasons I've stated. Toad because he's claiming to not have a vote that counts and he can't die at night that is like the tree stump role on epic mafia which is kinda useless and easy to claim as mafia (I have done it in video mafia on several occasions) cause you never have to explain why you're alive and you can no vote and absolve yourself of all responsibility. (I've been busy with work and other games so haven't had time to dive but have we confirmed Toad's vote doesn't count?) Hopeless - I believe austin had a case on hopeless where he was around at day end voting on rayn after the claim saying it seemed fake without a cc. I was around then too and had been hard on rayn all day and wanted to get my vote off him to someone else (ended up on the doctor whoops) but still not on the claimed role. Town for me is thrawn, kush, austin, amiko (tenatively cause of the heal and he seems to be piecing the game together) Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 05:41 Tehpoofter wrote:
bah this role claim stuff would happen while I'm commuting and starting work....
@DJO why do you think djo's role is maf sided?
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I'm not convinced any of the roles have to be blue even toads but if town lynches a third straight blue we're pretty much SoL. I mean, he has me, Toad and hopeless as scumreads. When he comes back he votes kita when that vote doesn't have any effect, doesn't try to move people from Toad to him. And most of all he says he's not convinced that all roles have to be blue but that's the reason he doesn't want to lynch his former scumread.
On April 05 2014 09:21 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 09:17 Vivax wrote:
Oh, and even better first he already believes Toad's claim and says the role is fake and can easily be claimed by mafia, then he uses that as reasoning to not vote for him. EBWOP: Better formulated, he says at first that the role is useless and can be easily claimed by mafia, then he says he doesn't want to lynch Toad cause a third blue loss is bad for town or something (while his role was useless anyway)
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Also as far as point one, you start out by implying "vivax finds me townie" or saying "vivax implies that I'm townie for my push on rayn/etc."
Vivax's posts read more skeptical of you.
On April 01 2014 02:43 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 02:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am putting Vivax back to null - leaning scum because his kitanamn suspicion went *poof* and it disappeared and he is not reading properly. I am working things off one by one. Nowhere did I say my suspicion of kita went "poof", so don't assume so just cause I am currently not asking him questions. If you could simply answer instead of spamming desperation cryouts cause of a question then it would be appreciated thanks. On April 01 2014 03:38 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 03:10 kitaman27 wrote:On April 01 2014 02:43 Vivax wrote:On April 01 2014 02:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am putting Vivax back to null - leaning scum because his kitanamn suspicion went *poof* and it disappeared and he is not reading properly. I am working things off one by one. Nowhere did I say my suspicion of kita went "poof", so don't assume so just cause I am currently not asking him questions. If you could simply answer instead of spamming desperation cryouts cause of a question then it would be appreciated thanks. So to be clear, what do you think? I like how you explain things around rayn here in your post in spoiler since I got the feeling that he's creating a lot of confusion and drama and I don't like that, it's just that I can't tell if he's doing it on purpose or cause he's just being like that and town but what I do see is that he throws around with scumreads without trying to let them be productive. He's accusatory not inquisitive and he reminds me of the kind of attitude I saw on him in that game where he hydraed with Mocsta as scum, in which he also behaved pretty negatively throughout the game. I'm not sure if I would lynch him D1 though, I would rather be happy with a Kaslam lynch, like I mentioned it's also possible he's traitor and it's already enough if we don't lynch town and get the doubt of the way. + Show Spoiler +On March 31 2014 23:12 kitaman27 wrote:On raynpelikoneetSo here is what I was doing at the start of this game. I was actually trying to accomplish something with my play. I was reproducing my behavior to a tee from the recent shadow mini mafia game. + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2014 09:31 kitaman27 wrote:
##Vote Sandroba On January 21 2014 11:28 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm not voting him as a joke. I think he is a great vote. We should lynch him today. On January 21 2014 10:46 kitaman27 wrote:
Wanna vote sandroba with me? He may or may not be scummy. On January 21 2014 10:34 kitaman27 wrote:
Do you think I'm trying to paint sandroba in a bad light using my "scummy thought process" like you mentioned or do you think that it was a random vote with little thought? I random voted moments into the game, I refused to provide an explanation when asked, I requested that someone vote with me without details, I asked a similar question when prompted, and I moved off the random vote shortly after. The goal here was to prompt someone to question my behavior and see if they attempt to make the connection or if they simply pass off my play as scummy. rayn mentioned that he observed shadow and toad and austin played in it, so even if they don't remember the random vote, it would likely be the first place to look as it was my most recent town game. It's important to note that I'm not trying to say that me emulating my shadow mafia play makes me town. I'm saying that the connection is there for anyone interested in finding it. Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 14:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Picture 2: Here is how kitaman does it. He makes an unclear argument and when people question him about it he does not answer but instead makes another unclear argument about the question. Repeat until noone can remember what was the original point and what the fuck we are even arguing about. Then he might posts some conclusions, a day or so later
I've seen a couple of mafia players do this and it works really well because most of the players tire out and just stop arguing because it's so annoying and in the end you can't make anything out of it anyways because it takes about 5 hours to get an answer to a simple question. I was pretty happy that rayn had suggested that was was going to do some research and pushed him in the right direction several times as you can see below. + Show Spoiler +On March 30 2014 15:54 kitaman27 wrote:
As for your "web of disruption" post, it has a catchy name, but I'll respond once you come to an actual conclusion. On March 30 2014 16:23 kitaman27 wrote:
Well I'm going to bed now. When I wake up, can you provide a follow up to the "web of disruption" post? On March 31 2014 01:06 kitaman27 wrote:
rayn, have you finished your research yet? On multiple occasions, rayn confirms that he will do the work to back up his initial suspicions. + Show Spoiler +On March 30 2014 14:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now i gotta figure out if kita does this only as mafia or does he do this as town too (or maybe only as town?) On March 30 2014 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes. I'll watch the Formula 1 race that starts in ~30min and i'll do my research after that. Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
not gonna do it. 90% i will find nothing useful and i don't care about this game enough to test if the 10% gives me something. Yet when push comes to shove, he decides not to put the effort in. He spends the time into coming up with his thesis that I'm creating a "web of disruption", yet has no interest in backing it up. If he is going to call me scummy, when does he have no interest in catching me? Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 17:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah i don't really carew about this game because i don't fee llike agruing with stupidity.
I might post something at some point, probably to tell who is scum, but don't expect me to explain anything.
I don't really feel like this game is gonna be fun so idontjustcare. Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The point was at that time i cared. After Toad's post i didn't. Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
so kita and tehpoofer are most likely scum. maybe gumshoe. Now there are three possible explanations: 1) He dropped the ball as town, attacking me without putting in the effort 2) He did the research as mafia, didn't like what he found, and dropped the case to avoid calling me town 3) He is a lazy scum player who didn't want to go after me at a point where several players are calling me town If rayn thought that I was looking decently townie otherwise, then maybe I'd consider number one. The biggest issue that I have right now is that as far as I can tell, I am rayn's number one scum suspect. He is pushing slam for being anti-town and shows that he may have reconsidered his read on tehpoofer, yet not a word about myself. Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 14:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Picture 1: Here is how townies do the "make other people think and see if you can catch lazy people because they are more likely to be mafia and draw retarded conclusions" thingy (at least how i do it). Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 15:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In case it's unclear. It's like normally people give you a puzzle to solve and slowly give you pieces to the puzzle along the way. Then they assume townies complete the puzzle and mafia tries to force the pieces in wrong order. rayn describes his play best. I don't think you can argue that he isn't being lazy here. rayn was given the pieces of the puzzle to solve and he chose not to because he "doesn't care". Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 15:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Not because i necessarily trust your read but because i trust Foolishness' read. *sigh* Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 15:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So if you are town we have a scumread on Hopeless from confirmed town good player Foolishness. Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 16:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I trust Foolishness the most atm.
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##vote Hopeless1der This line of thought is pretty terrible. He explains his willingness to vote for hopelessness over a minor observation about hope a few hours into the game. Not only does he not consider that foolishness could be wrong, he is using the justification for the vote because he respects foolishness as a player, not because he thinks its a valid argument. He even goes as far as dropping his suspicion of myself due to my interaction with hope. rayn states that he has done the most scum hunting in the game hands down, he suggests that I am his number one scum read, and he hasn't showed any attempt to figure out my alignment. As he mentioned earlier, he is trying to force the pieces in the wrong order. The one thing holding me up is 1) His mass claim policy is consistent with his previous behavior as town 2) Slam is one of the most anti-town players in recent memory Right now I'd probably be leaning towards a rayn lynch and hopefully having a vig take care of slam so he is removed as a discussion topic. I would like to look at a few more individuals before I finalize my vote. On April 01 2014 03:46 Vivax wrote:
Nullish atm, didn't like how you started with your trick, then it seemed like you reacted to the pressure by giving a summary of the situation which felt like a stretch and looked like a post designed to look good not to find scum. That would be my main beef with your play. The way you replied to rayn made me feel better about you cause you pointed out his disruptive attitude.
Pushes for slam OVER a rayn lynch. So he's not thinking "Best Case of the Century" about you --> rayn.
Some stuff that might be relevant later. MWAHAHAHAHAHA I FOUND A THING MWAHAHAHAHAHA I AM SNEAKY MWAHAHAHAHA.
There's a lot of rolefishing, including at toad about being "protected." That's not so good.
A decent amount of thread wrangling. Let's stop talking about claims / possible reasons why nobody dead N1 / the alignment of Vivax, and focus on ---> this case, these people, etc. Townie, although certainly a thing scum can do. This INCLUDES stuff like hopeless half claiming, and vivax immediately swapping focus to other people he's been finding scummy or scummy-ish, saying hopeless is off the table.
Isn't IMMEDIATELY worried about JJD, given that we saw no KP N1, and he later believes that I might have been a N1 NK target. This is not good, during the claimfest he wonders what JJD was doing N1, but...if he believes he actually got a protect and ONLY JJD visited me other than himself, he should be believing that JJD tried to kill me. Like...he should at least have that lightbulb go off and be reading JJD the moment Hopeless claims.
He immediately, after the 2 N2 NKs, is looking at who they were suspicious of. Unclear what to make of this. If he's town, he's looking to see why they might have been NKed. If he's scum, those were NKs designed to drive the D3 lynch onto town, both djo/JJD scummy on hopeless and kita. HOWEVER, I assume scum trying to push lynches on town, not possibly get a scum lynched for no reason on D3, so his focus on hopeless/kita would make it more likely they are town in a scumVivax world, leaving us needing like 1-3 scummers to go with vivax who aren't myself/hopeless/kita and that's a weird world and I don't like it.
I dunno. His posts look pretty townie. He's constantly around, chiming in with smallish posts. That is 1000000000% unlike III Titanic, and I'm not liking this filter for scum. He also seems to legitimately be reading things. Randomly today finds Gumshoe saying he's the doctor. WHO ON THE SCUM TEAM IS LOOKING AT GUMSHOE'S POSTS ON D3? WHY IS THE SCUM TEAM LIKE "OH HEY, DID GUMSHOE RANDOMLY CLAIM ANY OTHER ROLES AND MAYBE SOME TOWNIES GOT IMPLICATED HUE HUEHUEHUEHUEHUE?"
THE ANSWER IS NO SCUM IS NOT LOOKING AT FRIGGING GUMSHOE'S POSTS FROM D1 BECAUSE GUMSHOE IS DEAD AND HE DOESN'T MATTER AND THEY'RE TRYING TO LYNCH TOWN AND WIN THE GAME AND THEY'RE GONNA ARGUE ABOUT STUFF THAT MATTERS AND NOT WHAT GUMSHOE DID ON D1 AND THAT IS STUPIDLY TOWNIE AND I KNOW THIS ISN'T A WONDERFUL REASON AND IF MARV IS IN OBS HE'S EITHER LIKE "DAMN AUSTIN IS BETTER THAN ME" OR THINKS I'M AN IDIOT BUT REALLY WHY IS SCUM IN GUMSHOE'S FILTER?
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Kita I would very much appreciate you looking at kush's filter or just at my posts on Kush (pg. 114).
It's not a terrible read, it's not a big time-waster.
I would love to hear just basic basic rough guesses. Kush mafia? Kush possible mafia behind like 1 mistaken read? Kush and Vivax sexy mafia friendzzz?
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Vivax if you are mafia and you were looking at Gumshoe's filter today, or keeping that in your back pocket to be all sneaky, I will be impressed and also mad at you.
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On April 06 2014 11:53 austinmcc wrote:
Vivax if you are mafia and you were looking at Gumshoe's filter today, or keeping that in your back pocket to be all sneaky, I will be impressed and also mad at you.
I wasn't in his filter, I was rereading D1 start (in context) and stumbled over that post.
I could mention a multitude of other actions from me that make me town but I don't think that's necessary at the moment.
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As far as poofter, I'll give him a further look probably early tomorrow, but there's a LOT of weird focus on roles, beyond just the weird stuff where he doesn't want to lynch them except some of them are cool to lynch.
I know it's a thing for scum to harp on and chat about and look busy, but when I've been reading it (at least up until today's start), it felt more like a townie overthinking/valueing the blue roles or something.
I dunno, he's curious but I liked his N1/early D2 enough that he's been off my radar.
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kitaman27
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I'd also like people to comment on my role analysis and whether they come to any conclusions about who is town/mafia based on that.
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On April 06 2014 11:50 austinmcc wrote:
Kita I would very much appreciate you looking at kush's filter or just at my posts on Kush (pg. 114).
It's not a terrible read, it's not a big time-waster.
I would love to hear just basic basic rough guesses. Kush mafia? Kush possible mafia behind like 1 mistaken read? Kush and Vivax sexy mafia friendzzz?
kk, I'll do that first thing in the morning after I wake up (which may be afternoon EST, but I'm sure its morning somewhere)
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Urg. Super important day for town in this game. We need to lynch scum.
Kita's semi-not-around for a bunch of it, clearly puts a bunch of work into some posts, makes points, has a train of thought, blah blah blah.
Okay, great. And he sticks around to talk about his post a little. Alright, good. But in the ~48ish minutes of making his post and leaving thread, while he talks about it a little and responds, he doesn't just go....check stuff on kush? Again, we NEED to lynch scum, and should want to know if kush is scum with vivax, more likely scum than vivax, if vivax is super scummy and therefore kush is townie because of whatever.
But he just...doesn't. He drops his case and moves things forward a little but in the tiny bit of extra time he's not like...looking for more.
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On April 06 2014 12:22 austinmcc wrote:
Urg. Super important day for town in this game. We need to lynch scum.
Kita's semi-not-around for a bunch of it, clearly puts a bunch of work into some posts, makes points, has a train of thought, blah blah blah.
Okay, great. And he sticks around to talk about his post a little. Alright, good. But in the ~48ish minutes of making his post and leaving thread, while he talks about it a little and responds, he doesn't just go....check stuff on kush? Again, we NEED to lynch scum, and should want to know if kush is scum with vivax, more likely scum than vivax, if vivax is super scummy and therefore kush is townie because of whatever.
But he just...doesn't. He drops his case and moves things forward a little but in the tiny bit of extra time he's not like...looking for more.
I don't think you understand. I spent 5 hours on that post. FIVE HOURS. I'm exhausted.
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I don't know why kita doesn't want to talk with me about the world in which we are both town and need to figure out the remaining scum
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I'll consider it, but most certainly not tonight.
Also, myself, Vivax and austin aren't the only players in this game. Everyone else needs to put in their fair share.
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On April 06 2014 12:23 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 12:22 austinmcc wrote:
Urg. Super important day for town in this game. We need to lynch scum.
Kita's semi-not-around for a bunch of it, clearly puts a bunch of work into some posts, makes points, has a train of thought, blah blah blah.
Okay, great. And he sticks around to talk about his post a little. Alright, good. But in the ~48ish minutes of making his post and leaving thread, while he talks about it a little and responds, he doesn't just go....check stuff on kush? Again, we NEED to lynch scum, and should want to know if kush is scum with vivax, more likely scum than vivax, if vivax is super scummy and therefore kush is townie because of whatever.
But he just...doesn't. He drops his case and moves things forward a little but in the tiny bit of extra time he's not like...looking for more. I don't think you understand. I spent 5 hours on that post. FIVE HOURS. I'm exhausted.
The thing is, the part where you said you hurt your foot kinda gave me townie vibes cause it seems like a weird thing for scum to make up although not impossible, so I'm currently trying to consider the chance that you might be town, but I can't do that if you only keep focusing on me, if you're town I want to congratulate you for spending 5 hours on posting a case on a townie.
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On April 06 2014 12:26 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 12:23 kitaman27 wrote:On April 06 2014 12:22 austinmcc wrote:
Urg. Super important day for town in this game. We need to lynch scum.
Kita's semi-not-around for a bunch of it, clearly puts a bunch of work into some posts, makes points, has a train of thought, blah blah blah.
Okay, great. And he sticks around to talk about his post a little. Alright, good. But in the ~48ish minutes of making his post and leaving thread, while he talks about it a little and responds, he doesn't just go....check stuff on kush? Again, we NEED to lynch scum, and should want to know if kush is scum with vivax, more likely scum than vivax, if vivax is super scummy and therefore kush is townie because of whatever.
But he just...doesn't. He drops his case and moves things forward a little but in the tiny bit of extra time he's not like...looking for more. I don't think you understand. I spent 5 hours on that post. FIVE HOURS. I'm exhausted. The thing is, the part where you said you hurt your foot kinda gave me townie vibes cause it seems like a weird thing for scum to make up although not impossible, so I'm currently trying to consider the chance that you might be town, but I can't do that if you only keep focusing on me, if you're town I want to congratulate you for spending 5 hours on posting a case on a townie.
I'm willing to acknowledge the fact that even if you are mafia, there are still others out there as well. I'll try my best to look, but I won't guarantee you that I'd be willing to push them over you if I find something,
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Also a lot of people had brought arguments as to why I'm town, you only seem to try and bring arguments as to why I'm scum. I would love to respond to the points you make in your post but last time I did that you simply skipped my defense, also you keep not asking me stuff which again looks scummy to me.
I'm in the thread and always willing to discuss stuff with you if you're willing to not simply skip on my replies to attach on something else.
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On April 06 2014 12:26 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 12:23 kitaman27 wrote:On April 06 2014 12:22 austinmcc wrote:
Urg. Super important day for town in this game. We need to lynch scum.
Kita's semi-not-around for a bunch of it, clearly puts a bunch of work into some posts, makes points, has a train of thought, blah blah blah.
Okay, great. And he sticks around to talk about his post a little. Alright, good. But in the ~48ish minutes of making his post and leaving thread, while he talks about it a little and responds, he doesn't just go....check stuff on kush? Again, we NEED to lynch scum, and should want to know if kush is scum with vivax, more likely scum than vivax, if vivax is super scummy and therefore kush is townie because of whatever.
But he just...doesn't. He drops his case and moves things forward a little but in the tiny bit of extra time he's not like...looking for more. I don't think you understand. I spent 5 hours on that post. FIVE HOURS. I'm exhausted. The thing is, the part where you said you hurt your foot kinda gave me townie vibes cause it seems like a weird thing for scum to make up although not impossible, so I'm currently trying to consider the chance that you might be town, but I can't do that if you only keep focusing on me, if you're town I want to congratulate you for spending 5 hours on posting a case on a townie.
And on top of that, you weren't the sole focus of the post. There were large sections on how hopeless's Mickey role seems like it makes sense as a mafia role and how poofter seems like the best bet for a mafia recruiter role.
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MAN RIGHT AS I'M MAKING MY POST
I think 3 protective roles is a lot. I think 2 roleblockers for town is kind of a lot. I think being able to roleblock someone repeatedly (as JK) is weird, but my PM says nothing about not being able to target the same guy, and neither does Gumshoe's medic PM.
I think most anything and an inventor is a lot, that always feels like such a powerful role.
I think your stuff on why scum could use a the mickey role to track Rose (especially knowing she's a DT) and try to undermine her checks ahead of time is kind of doodycakes. For one, they don't know where she goes UNTIL SHE GOES THERE. They can't bus red checks or shoot green checks before she gets checks, because they don't find out where she went until she went there. They can bus a teammate right before Rose claims the red check, or can bus IF rose doesn't claim her role and just pushes red checks, but ...... it's not like they get free reign to limit the usefulness of cop checks. And if they got to watch AHEAD of time, were told who she was GOING to target, they could just kill targets. I don't think it's useful in the way you were saying, and I think it's really odd for you to go on that tangent, just for a bit, even if you conclude it doesn't make much sense for Hopeless to be mafia and Vivax town, etc.
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On April 06 2014 12:29 Vivax wrote:
Also a lot of people had brought arguments as to why I'm town, you only seem to try and bring arguments as to why I'm scum. I would love to respond to the points you make in your post but last time I did that you simply skipped my defense, also you keep not asking me stuff which again looks scummy to me.
I'm in the thread and always willing to discuss stuff with you if you're willing to not simply skip on my replies to attach on something else.
To be completely honest, trying to convince your scum read that they are scum never accomplishes anything.
If there is a specific point that you need me to examine let me know. I do see things that would make it possible that you are town. Right now, the mafia sided things outweigh it, but I haven't decided 100% without a doubt you need to die today.
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I understand if you spent a lot of time. But that doesn't mean I still won't find it odd that you don't look at Kush, especially in the time where you're still spending time in the thread.
Like...spending a bunch of time shows that you care about the game. Which makes it more likely you look at things, tired or no, 5 hours or no. It cuts both ways.
Plus I'm curious about a Kush/Vivax team and whether you think that's possible. If it's NOT, then I'm looking in ALL THE WRONG AREAS AND THAT IS BAD. If you think it fits stuff, then maybe we have some common ground and maybe you're not mafia or whatever.
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I do have to say that I'm incredibly relieved that I died in Catastrophe XD
To all those still alive and active in both, you guys are crazy.
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