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Vivax
22424 Posts
I don't think rayn is town he is playing completely different to the game I play with him before. He was aggressive but I feel like his push on Slam is an easy low hanging fruit type push. Survivor might not be town but its not mafia finding mafia > lynching the survivor. Austin don't you think that finding those who easily believed the survivor claim are likely to be mafia? This is a post by tehpoofter for example. He uses connection on an unflipped survivor to push for rayn. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I will look over him more, but again, I just liked his response to my scumread on him and there was that one particular post that I just don't think scum makes. | ||
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Vivax
22424 Posts
sometimes calling slam survivor and not possible survivor On March 31 2014 03:16 Tehpoofter wrote: Actual read on slam is I don't like him he might be mafia claiming the role and rayn brought that up earlier I believe and if he was pushing him for that I wouldn't be suspicious of him but I don't like you want to vote him because you think he is survivor. If he is survivor I think there is a good way to deal with him in that case. This is a post from him right afterwards. Gonna try and find the post you think is such townie. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 01 2014 18:13 Tehpoofter wrote: I think austin's case sounded townie even though it was against me. So its a weird question to ask mafia because if I'm right and austin is town then they have to comment on a town on town case and they might polarize who they can push on safely by answering in a way where they call us both town. I also find it odd it gained like no traction since I was town probably because there wasnt a lot of scum and rayn is stronger than me and was being voted but still its a good thing to bring up now before we get to a point where the main wagons from the D1 are lynched or dead or w.e. so if people bring it up as evidence they have to go with what they say no as opposed to being able to say w.e. they want to throw dirt on me or austin. (again this is mostly based on the read I have that austin is town.) That one, it's such a wonky sentiment. I think austin's case sounded townie even though it was against me. So its a weird question to ask mafia because if I'm right and austin is town then they have to comment on a town on town case and they might polarize who they can push on safely by answering in a way where they call us both town. Like, it's just really weird. Sure, it could be scum giving a funky scummy answer and being unwilling to call me mafia, but it doesn't read like someone just unwilling to call me mafia, it's this strange-sounding plan "AHA I AM TOWN AND HE IS TOWN AND SCUM WILL HAVE A HARD TIEM DEALING WITH TOWN ON TOWN ACTION AND SO NOW I SHALL PURSUE SCUM HAHA!"(Would be useful to look and see whether he pursues any reads on the people he was asking about my case on him. He SHOULD be doing this if he's really trying to read those people) He also calls my existence as Quetzalcoatl "bird RP bullshit." Scum is unlikely to risk my wrath by mocking my divine avian nature. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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Vivax
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On April 06 2014 12:59 austinmcc wrote: (I called someone town because they were poking at Alakaslam and trying to get him to post and give reads and stuff. I need to check my own frigging filter, because that was a super townie thing and hopefully it's someone involved in all this) I think it was amiko after he voted for him. | ||
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Vivax
22424 Posts
He asked DJO what he thought his opinion on your case was. Now tell me if poofter looks like he suspected Djo at the time when he thought it would have been a weird question to ask mafia. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
I want to respond to this first since it's easier- Nuking by Night I am a little confused that you think I might want to hold the nuke Austin… I think most everyone reads you as the most likely town this game, both from your play and thanks to having a few people claim to protect you on various nights. So if you think I should hold it, I will certainly consider it. My concern is this - we don’t know exactly how conversions happen. We’ve speculated (maybe it happens odd nights?) but I think the only sure thing is that it happens at night (based on rayn’s role PM). If I nuke during the day, the nuke may kill someone who could have converted. Maybe not, I don’t know if converted people can convert or what. Also, I’d kind of like to hold other players to the same standard as me: if the other VTs get nukes tomorrow, I think I want to be able to require that they shoot during the day. If I hold the nuke, we may get information. Let’s say we lynch kush (I skimmed the cases from Austin and kita, I will reread it and comment at length after this post). Regardless of whether he flips green or red, the information we get isn’t necessarily going to point to anyone. He might be green and kita is godfather; he might be scum and kita is town; he might be scum and kita is scum. We do get a little information - if he is scum, and his role PM indicates he was converted, we can better evaluate his interactions with kita D1 (because he would have been town at the time). If we lynch kita, it’s possible the information is very helpful. If kita’s role PM reveals he is scum and is not a godfather, kush is confirmed scum. I suppose firing the nuke also confirms that I received it, but I don't think there's really any doubt of that. If you think I should hold onto it let me know. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On April 06 2014 14:04 Amiko wrote: My concern is this - we don’t know exactly how conversions happen. We’ve speculated (maybe it happens odd nights?) but I think the only sure thing is that it happens at night (based on rayn’s role PM). If I nuke during the day, the nuke may kill someone who could have converted. Maybe not, I don’t know if converted people can convert or what. Also, I’d kind of like to hold other players to the same standard as me: if the other VTs get nukes tomorrow, I think I want to be able to require that they shoot during the day. I'd say hold off considering you will need to fire within the next few hours to make the deadline. Nobody is going to be around to post and personally, I'd like the opportunity to look at a few other people before suggesting the nuke target. Lynch will also give us clues so we would be able to make a more informed decision. The only thing I'd be worried about is a roleblock, but if austin roleblocks me, I roleblock vivax and vivax roleblocks austin, then we can ensure that nothing sketchy happens. "Each night you may to chose to protect someone by PMing that person’s name to all the hosts, and that person will be unable to be converted to an alignment different than his current alignment. If you successfully prevent someone from being converted, you will die protecting them." Rayn's role makes it sound as if the conversions are a night action, so you likely wouldn't need to worry about it if you fired it at the start of the night. There may be a chance that you get converted after shooting a scum, which would kinda suck though  | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
@kitaman27: I think austin indicated that he attempted to roleblock you n2. Per vivax's jailing of austin, austin was also a roleblock target. We don't know how it works when roleblockers target roleblockers. But, it is possible that you austin roleblocked you. If that's the case, it is also possible you did not get an action n2 and still can use the protect power. I don't know if hosts would tell you if you still have the power, you can check with them if you feel like it. Back to case. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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Vivax
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Vivax
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I've been thinking a bit about his role and there's the fact he doesn't know who he's following or what that role does. His role is actually the only role currently claimed able to gain information for scum unless one of the claimed vanillas is a scum rolecop or something like that. There is also kita pointing out something scummy on him, then leaving him alone until D2 and calling me asking him questions useless. This is connection based, but maybe you will listen to a guy like Foolishness who is one of the best scumhunters on this forum. He's not infallible but he's good. Otherwise I pointed out the way he handled kita D1 being reluctant to call him scum yet feeling the need to ask him about his actions. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
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Vivax
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Vivax
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On April 06 2014 15:03 Amiko wrote: @Vivax I don't really understand. I'm just saying if kita's role claim is true, he may still be able to protect someone. No, he must use each of his actions before being able to use a previously used one again. Now ask yourself this: Is it likely that town has 3 protective roles when scum has 2 KP at night 2 with kita being a vet, a roleblocker, a doctor and a tracker at once? We have a watcher, a detective, a tracker? A doctor, a JK, another doctor? If you think I'm town then you should be wary of kita's claim. | ||
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Vivax
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Vivax
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On April 06 2014 14:56 thrawn2112 wrote: amiko i'd rather you come up with some original stuff instead of you commenting on other people's posts Thrawn, do you believe he could be scum or what is the point of this question? It isn't exactly original stuff either. | ||
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thrawn2112
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