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@balla. I read rayn as town and he has read Slam well in the games I've seen and both of them have stated that rayn reads Slam well. So I was saying that I read Slam as town from those couple posts and was asking rayn what he thought of that. He then posted after that
On April 02 2014 10:42 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Tehpoofter yes he is scum. Also Balla looks town and LSB looks okayish (but then again i have really hard time understanding LSB usually in games so maybe this means he is supertown).
~rayn
I decided since I was wrong about slam in the titanic game and rayn was very quickly able to determine his alignment as town and I read rayn as town I was going to put him in my leaning scum pile because I feel rayn has more experience and better accuracy than me at reading slam.
Also I'm still reading you guys filters Finished yours and reading LSB now.
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On April 02 2014 04:42 LSB wrote:The most important feature of cell mafia is the ability to cull inactive players as soon as possible. This is interesting because this allows the game to maintain a level of activity and analysis demanded for the full duration, rather than it being a game between lurkers at lylo. Activity is very town favored because it is easier to find mafia if everyone has to speak, than throw darts at lurkers.
I am going to rank players based on what I remember based on the most recent game in the TL mafia database A - Active Players, solid contributions and good amount of posts IL - Inactive or Lurking players, little thread presence in the last game This raiting is mainly to determine inactivity. Bold is for emphasis I didn't look to hard, but if you had at least 8 pages of posts I considered you active and if you had long posts I counted you as active Cell 1 A - Raynpelikonoshi - Probably the most active player on the forums A - Gumshoe - Active in A quiet game A - Steveling http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/311554-surprisingly-normal-mini-mafia-vii?user=Steveling&page=4Cell 2 A Holyflare - Active in LXIII IL Tehpoofter - Modkilled for inactivity last game IL mderg - Inactive last game he played. It was 2 years ago http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/309405-werewolves-invade-teamliquid-ii?user=mdergCell 3 A Palmar - Active in Default Suspicions IL Sentinel - Self admitted inactive and not in for the long haul ? Coagulation - Kushm4sta is active, but Coag can't post his seal. Cell 4 A Balla24 - Active in Default Suspicions A LSB IL Alakaslam - Pretends to be Chez, but never back it up with analysis. Cell 5 A Getmoript - Previous Hydra was active A prplhz - Active in Default supsions A Cephiro - Active in GMB
If we go by this we see that Cell 1 and Cell 5 contain all active players. Cell 2 contains two inactive players Cell 3/4 contain at least one inactive player. Based on this, my ideal order would be 2,3,4,5,1. Or 2,3,4,1,5 Ultimentally this data would be best supplimented by seeing day 1 post counts.
LSB brushes me aside because he knows I am town
Right now it is classy to call me scum before I say anything so
Resisting the urge to do this via knowledge of the opposite, leaves my lynch open without looking like a fool before I said anything
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Holy frick I left for like 4 hours and we practically tripled in pages.
I have to catch up and then I'll tell you all why I think we should be mayor.
~Cav
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On April 02 2014 11:34 Tehpoofter wrote:@balla. I read rayn as town and he has read Slam well in the games I've seen and both of them have stated that rayn reads Slam well. So I was saying that I read Slam as town from those couple posts and was asking rayn what he thought of that. He then posted after that Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 10:42 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Tehpoofter yes he is scum. Also Balla looks town and LSB looks okayish (but then again i have really hard time understanding LSB usually in games so maybe this means he is supertown).
~rayn I decided since I was wrong about slam in the titanic game and rayn was very quickly able to determine his alignment as town and I read rayn as town I was going to put him in my leaning scum pile because I feel rayn has more experience and better accuracy than me at reading slam. Also I'm still reading you guys filters Finished yours and reading LSB now.
Generally I would agree with this.
Now how about you read my filter? See if you see it
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On April 02 2014 11:30 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
I am also going to say this last time poofer and i try to be as clear as possible.
What you are doing is this:
You are refusing to comment on the part of the game where it is statistically easiest for you to find mafia if you are town (and therefore prove your townieness) and where it's the hardest for you to hide if you are mafia.
Can you see why it's scummy?
~rayn
Well I disagree I see if I refused to give them ever that it would be scummy but thats fine I'm moving on and reading the slam/LSB/Balla cell now.
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On April 02 2014 11:13 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 10:56 getmoript wrote:On April 02 2014 10:32 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 10:31 getmoript wrote:
I'll talk more about slam later but I'm reevaluating that whole group. His kill me post was really town Slam IMO and you got your read on him from me. I don't like your gumshoe case. I don't hate it but I don't like it. I'll filter both after work. Of course you donät like it because you are prolly mafia. ~rayn God Rayn you are like super fucking infuriating when you don't listen to me. Like I don't really care what your alignment is right now but I'm not going to listen to your scum reads anymore. Like you half bother explaining them and then you always ignore me just like you did on Toad. The sad thing is I'm pretty sure Palmer's going to phone it in and the you and HF are going to drive town into the dirt. Like I'm not sure that you're scum but regardless of your alignment what you're doing is a real dick move and I don't appreciate it. What about his scum reads don't you like? I thought you agreed with his Slam read? Do you not like his gumshoe read? If so why? If you're town telling rayn how pissed you are at him doesn't do much good attack his case if you disagree otherwise this post just looks fluffy to me.
Look you know how good I can be. Just keep an open mind for when I get to the computer tonight.
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Tehpoofter hello there master of tone reads. Slam is the easiest player on planet to read based on tone. Does his tone look like his town game? I find it REALLY HARD to believe you jsut gnore this juicy way of making reads here where it actually would matter.
~rayn
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On April 02 2014 11:37 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 11:30 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
I am also going to say this last time poofer and i try to be as clear as possible.
What you are doing is this:
You are refusing to comment on the part of the game where it is statistically easiest for you to find mafia if you are town (and therefore prove your townieness) and where it's the hardest for you to hide if you are mafia.
Can you see why it's scummy?
~rayn Well I disagree I see if I refused to give them ever that it would be scummy but thats fine I'm moving on and reading the slam/LSB/Balla cell now.
If you have many people telling you what you are doing is wrong, shouldn't that tell you that you are probably wrong? You need to comment on your cell as soon as you get the chance to, and since you have been "taking notes on your cell" it should be easy for you to do so.
Furthermore, why do you disagree with what rayn just said?
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I really gotta go to sleep now. Balla keep up good work!
~rayn
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Well I'm back for a short while.
I don't really know what to make of Palmar. He seems to have the apathetic mannerisms I remember him having, but the whole mayor thing doesn't seem like much of a tell one way or another. It doesn't make enough of a difference for town/scum to do something different.
I'd really appreciate Coag coming back into this game so at least I can weigh the two side-by-side
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@rayn I said I was reading the fact he was trying as town he gave like reads and asked questions if he was a normal player I'd read those posts I linked as town but his other posts as mostly gibberish. I asked your advice cause you read him well. And how am I the master of tone reads? I mean I think I read people more on meta in video mafia and in forums I have like no fucking clue what to do tbh I just find someone I think is really town and try to sheep them.
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Well.
Tone is tone is not
Still dunno how people get tone out of written conversations. Perhaps, I, an autism spectrum individual, am unreadable in this way?
Because I have always been actually a little sad as town, this time it actually happens to be coming through. So proof positive, it actually doesn't work as well as we thought
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On April 02 2014 11:43 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 11:37 Tehpoofter wrote:On April 02 2014 11:30 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
I am also going to say this last time poofer and i try to be as clear as possible.
What you are doing is this:
You are refusing to comment on the part of the game where it is statistically easiest for you to find mafia if you are town (and therefore prove your townieness) and where it's the hardest for you to hide if you are mafia.
Can you see why it's scummy?
~rayn Well I disagree I see if I refused to give them ever that it would be scummy but thats fine I'm moving on and reading the slam/LSB/Balla cell now. If you have many people telling you what you are doing is wrong, shouldn't that tell you that you are probably wrong? You need to comment on your cell as soon as you get the chance to, and since you have been "taking notes on your cell" it should be easy for you to do so. Furthermore, why do you disagree with what rayn just said?
I disagree that temporarily holding back your ideas is scummy but I do agree never telling is scummy. (Mainly I had this idea that if i got scum I'd just tunnel my own group and do nothing else and I wanted to avoid letting people do that as mafia and this sounded like a good way to do it so I'm probably just arguing cause I want my idea to be right)
But after reading your filter you do seem more town like when we played that Newbie game forever ago with posts like this one:
On April 02 2014 04:50 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 04:47 mderg wrote:On April 02 2014 04:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On April 02 2014 04:33 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Sentinel what i want to know is do you want to lynch into your group or not and why.
Do you consider yourself unreadable?
~rayn I consider myself perfectly readable. I am town, thus I know that I am town.I consider myself pretty easy to read by others, if I had to guess what my town/scum features would be, it's that I get a lot more frustrated as town. In Noir I was a lot more logical and active than usual because I had 5 people to calm me down and streamline my behavior. With town I either get mad and stop caring (Nuclear Winter), or tunnel someone because I can't be arsed to do anything else (Roulette). I hate things like the bolded part, just doesn´t add anything. Everybody claims to be town. The analysis on yourself is interesting, I think it is very difficult to read peope who know their "town/scum features" Neither does your post. What exactly is the point of it? Are you calling sentinel scum because he is "claiming town"?
I had highlighted that post by mderg in my normal read through and your comment I agree that his non conclusion on Sentinal is really weird like he wants to paint him as scum without actually using those words. Makes me think Mderg scummy Sentinal town. I like that you seemed to on the same thought chain as me here. So atm in my cell I'm leaning HF=town and Mderg=scum.
As far as your filter what do you read on slam Balla? Do you read him like rayn based off tone?
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I think people will find Aspergers Syndrome does really royally mess with written tone, quite as it does with irl.
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On April 02 2014 12:11 Alakaslam wrote:
I think people will find Aspergers Syndrome does really royally mess with written tone, quite as it does with irl.
Every sentence of yours that doesn't end with a period ends up sounding giddy to me, I don't know why
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This is a few choice qoutes from Rayn's play in witchcraft 2, where he orchestrated a mislynch on me day 1.
Looking the playerlist you are the guy i can work with the best.
I can't read OO for shit.
I hope Cephiro does not do dumb stuff like he did in Hogwarts.
Lurk Sylencia = lynch, otherwise idk
Sn0dude played really well in Hogwarts, i except that from him here aswell.
gumshoe ....
thrawn i misread on Desert until he actually started making sense, hope he does that too here
Umasi was good in some game as town i think? Says nothing = lynch
Onegu is tricky, damn he was tricky in Hogwarts. A guy to read closely.
ET is town or scum at last N1, based purely on Hogwarts.
hzflank i can read.
Vanesco noob, no idea. contribute or die.
and yeah, that's it.
After second reading gumshoe's big post was really bad and could have been all said in 10 words. Apparently that was a fake post too..
I am also trying to be not pissed off with gumshoe but it's really hard..
Probably someone from gumshoe/Umasi/Onegu depending on what happens tomorrow. thrawn stared making sense.
##Vote: gumshoe
just because i do not like anything he has said this game.
bh no, i do not remember his play from Basterd. I remember he claimed on N1 but i don't even remember why.
After that he has been modkilled for inactivity or soht because i accidently outed him as blue (in a game i somehow thought everyone was blue) while he did pretty much nothing. 50% of my case on him is that i want him to actually say something uselful and 50% is that what he has said is either faked for no reason or useless contributions or something that makes no sense to me.
Pretty harsh on me in general, take a good look at that last qoute, notice how Rayn believes my meta works against me there? Next Compare all those lines to these ones that make up Rayn's current stance on me.
I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not.
I dunno, why should i think something?
getmoript is mafia agreed or not?
~rayn
I am trying so hard to think about this post and what the fuck is the point of all this.
gumshoe what's the point of all this?
On April 02 2014 06:22 gumshoe wrote:
I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / :
I don't believe this. I don't believe this for one second.
~rayn
This next bit is one exchange between us.
Show nested quote +Holy is probably the best scum I know of. Thats about it for the players I know of Show nested quote +So i went to see if Holyflare is hard to read for gumshoe. Turns out he had a pretty clear read on him in World Heavyweight mafia game
That last quote here also has my meta working against me and in general theres an overall tone of disdain once again in Rayn's voice, just like in Witchcraft, another funny thing is that I actually lied in witchcraft as well to try and bait scum, just like I did this game. Rayn knows exactly what I'm capable of and how to exploit that and of course he hammers me for it in this game just like hes done before.
Witch
gumshoe's contributions in Basterd have a clear point, are transparent and every time they reach to a hard conclusion. None of those things happen in this game and half of his filter anyways is useless because it's about fake case that either serves no purpose if he is town or he just fucked up and is making stuff up if he is scum.
Cell
So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"?
Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm.
Next up, look at this recent game where were both town for comparison.
gumshoe i am interested. Do you think Palmar is mafia?
see gumshoe here is my problem. I am a player who asks questions, obviously. When i ask questions, assuming i am not questioning something i do not understand, there are expected answers:
1) scummy type of answer, or townie type of answer, or both
2) answer i did not expect which leads to further investigation
Now i don't always expect people to understand why i do ask questions i do in the first place. That would defeat the purpose of my play in total. If you can tell what my question is going to achieve you know (as mafia) how you should be answering it. Right?
So, my question to you is:
I don't understand why do you assume Palmar should assume what i am thinking and why i ask what i do. How do you suggest town!Palmar should read me if he is not "allowed" to figure out my motives behind my posts? Or do you think it's reasonable to assume Palmar should have realized what i was after? Did you know what i expected town!gumshoe to answer when i asked you my question?
I think the confusing part here is that gumshoe assumes/says Palmar thought i was scummy for my question and therefore questioned me. Not that Palmar was trying to get a read on me.
gumshoe how do you ended up to this conclusion in the first place?
Anyways that smiley makes me see red every time i see it, except for when gumshoe does it. Just because gumshoe is so adorable.
I have been really really sure since i started telling him why i thought his case on Palmar was dumb and started explaining him what Palmar meant with his posts.
Take note of the last quote, he thinks I'm town here because of dumb stubborn play, whats different this game Rayn? Also the tone, while still inquisitive, is much lighter than that of the excerpts from the first two sets listed.
Scum like sure things, Rayn has had success beating me straight up before, he feels confident he can do it again. A good example of this kind of behaviour in scum is how Suki went after cav in cultured the same way she did in the first newbie game they played together. The prefer to tackle targets who they can beat, thats why from the get go Rayn has been spinning everything I say as scummy, watch how he twists what I say and do over and over again.
HE WANTS TO FUCKING LYNCH TOWNIES!! SERIOUSLY GUMSHOE????
Here he attacks me for defending "confirmed scum" geript, of course Geript is not 100 percent scum and Rayn admits as much himself later on here,
but that didnt stop him from using a shitty read to attack me via association.
Heres another
Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment. Show nested quote +So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"?
What I mean here is that I suspect hes scum, therefore why do I need to tell him anything that would worsen my odds of catching him. Of course he zeros in on the "you dont owe me anything" part because thats what his agenda calls for, he will tear apart all my statements and alter to them just to make me look bad.
Heres another example of Rayns twister skills.
gumshoe which players from the playerlist would you consider unreadable?
After I answer him honestly, Rayn comes back with this.
So i went to see if Holyflare is hard to read for gumshoe. Turns out he had a pretty clear read on him in World Heavyweight mafia game (where he was town) half past D1. I also found this:
Cause I'm not there yet : P and I disagree, bieng readable is a big part of bieng town, if you make your self unreadable you can't be trusted. I'm not going to argue with you about this because it's retarded to think otherwise.
To adress the bolded first, he completley disregards cultured mafia, the game where Holy bussed his team and completley blind sided me/town, I had this much to say to Holy afterwards cant bilieve you massacred your team like that, dont listen to what anyone says (not that you would) that takes 3 testicles and no heart, wp sir. At the end of day I was willing to lynch every other person in the game (myself included probally) before you, and that sentiment carried through all the way to lylo. Hope we can play more games like this in the future ( :
Of course, Rayn pretends this game never happens because it doesn't fit his narrative, and thats what hes doing guys, hes crafting a narrative, telling us all a bedtime story so he can slit our throats and steal our shit while we sleep.
As for his point about me contradicting myself, first of all let me ask you, does inconsistency a scum make? No, motive and/or a lack of effort do and my actions suggest neither (I have contributed since games start and made suggestions that scum would pale at the mere thought of uttering). That said, hes twisting the truth here yet again.
"Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play.
I care what town thinks of me and I'm trying to prove my alignment through contribution, I do not however give a shit what my top scum read thinks and I will lie all day to him until he flips red or reasonably proves himself to be green. He twists this into me not caring about what town thinks as a whole, when in reality anyone who actually reads what I'm saying for themselves can pretty much tell that my words are directed at Rayn and Rayn alone.
Ill end with the most damning bit of all, Rayn whole heartedly believes I am scum for false lackluster reasons, despite the fact that Steveling has yet to open his mouth. Thats because hes just accusing whoevers convinient for him, not trying to seriously consider whose scum. On paper I have a 50 percent chance of bieng scum to him, as he does to me, compare the two of our attempts at reading each other and see whose actually trying to figure out the others alignment and whose considering the possibility that Steveling might be the actual scummer. In both cases, that person is me, I am town, Rayn is 90 percent scum and steveling is 10 percent scum. The end.
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On April 02 2014 05:15 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 05:12 getmoript wrote:On April 02 2014 05:07 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 05:03 getmoript wrote:On April 02 2014 04:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 04:56 getmoript wrote:On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote:
so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much
so how we rank these groups. i think we should have annoying unreadable players on d1 since more time with them isn't going to give us more information. there's a small consideration in that we kind of might get people's flip when their group is up so it might be a good idea to put a group with good players in d3 so later towns have something to go on for sure.
dunno though, all of these groups seems okay. if anything, i think cell4 is a good group for first lynch. Rayn you liked this post and I absolutely hate it. Why in the world do you like this post? This is an awful post and you should know why? You roll scum? I just figured it out. I was approaching the game stupidly and from the wrong perspective. ~rayn So explain why I'm right and help push for me as mayor or die. I just made a post about it. Or asked other people about it. You lynch the groups where you know mafia is and make the order based on reads after ~40 hours or so. If there are similar groups / a lot of unsureness you first pick the groups where there are players who are most likely not paying attention later on in the game (for example kush is never going to reread the thread, ever). But who gets to be the mayor does not matter. If you can explain to me why does it matter go ahead. ~rayn No I don't like your reasoning. I'm not saying you're wrong on what you've said (skimmed), but the stance: On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote:
so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much Is a super odd stance for a towny to make. It's neither stating, "I don't fucking care who mayor is and I don't fucking care about the order" OR "I super care about who the mayor is and what the order is." I've seen and played in a number of odd games and I've taken a number of unique stances about things myself, but I don't think I've ever seen a stance that's so bland about it. Like that's a really, really weird way to approach this game and I'm not liking you right now for not picking up on this specifically. No. The point is this. The order is decided by the town. The mayor is nothing but a figurehead who submits the order decided by the town to Artanis. If the order differs we policy lynch the mayor.In this case it doesn't even matter who the mayor is. Heck it might even be the top scumread + Show Spoiler +Actually that's a risky idea, but can work in specific situations. For example if the top scumread is in a group with someone we'd liked to get confirmd
I like the bolded section because its how I feel about mayor. They should be someone who is knowledgeable about the players and basically just gives the info to the mod at the end of the day and I don't feel getting voted mayor is alignment indicative unless you go against town's wishes then that would be alignment indicative. I like LSB for this post and I said earlier his post showing the activity levels although that might just be because I don't know a lot of players here so it gives me a decent idea of what to expect.
My only problem is that I do think those two posts I linked of slam seem town but rayn seems certain I'd really like to here input on this from some other people like geript/gum/prplz as to what they read off slam. For me though I'm reading Balla's cell as Balla most town then LSB then Slam in descending towniness.
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On April 02 2014 12:01 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 11:43 Balla24 wrote:On April 02 2014 11:37 Tehpoofter wrote:On April 02 2014 11:30 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
I am also going to say this last time poofer and i try to be as clear as possible.
What you are doing is this:
You are refusing to comment on the part of the game where it is statistically easiest for you to find mafia if you are town (and therefore prove your townieness) and where it's the hardest for you to hide if you are mafia.
Can you see why it's scummy?
~rayn Well I disagree I see if I refused to give them ever that it would be scummy but thats fine I'm moving on and reading the slam/LSB/Balla cell now. If you have many people telling you what you are doing is wrong, shouldn't that tell you that you are probably wrong? You need to comment on your cell as soon as you get the chance to, and since you have been "taking notes on your cell" it should be easy for you to do so. Furthermore, why do you disagree with what rayn just said? I disagree that temporarily holding back your ideas is scummy but I do agree never telling is scummy. (Mainly I had this idea that if i got scum I'd just tunnel my own group and do nothing else and I wanted to avoid letting people do that as mafia and this sounded like a good way to do it so I'm probably just arguing cause I want my idea to be right)
Two things:
#1: Is holding back your ideas hindering scum's abilities to play properly or is there any reason that you are actually holding back your ideas? If not, then you are only hindering town's ability to read you, so post what you think of your cell.
#2 Like rayn said, it is EASIEST to read your cell, since you have a 50% chance of being correct therefore it is also hardest to hide within as mafia, since the people within your cell have a higher shot to read you. So you need to post about these people.
On April 02 2014 12:01 Tehpoofter wrote:But after reading your filter you do seem more town like when we played that Newbie game forever ago with posts like this one: Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 04:50 Balla24 wrote:On April 02 2014 04:47 mderg wrote:On April 02 2014 04:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On April 02 2014 04:33 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Sentinel what i want to know is do you want to lynch into your group or not and why.
Do you consider yourself unreadable?
~rayn I consider myself perfectly readable. I am town, thus I know that I am town.I consider myself pretty easy to read by others, if I had to guess what my town/scum features would be, it's that I get a lot more frustrated as town. In Noir I was a lot more logical and active than usual because I had 5 people to calm me down and streamline my behavior. With town I either get mad and stop caring (Nuclear Winter), or tunnel someone because I can't be arsed to do anything else (Roulette). I hate things like the bolded part, just doesn´t add anything. Everybody claims to be town. The analysis on yourself is interesting, I think it is very difficult to read peope who know their "town/scum features" Neither does your post. What exactly is the point of it? Are you calling sentinel scum because he is "claiming town"? I had highlighted that post by mderg in my normal read through and your comment I agree that his non conclusion on Sentinal is really weird like he wants to paint him as scum without actually using those words. Makes me think Mderg scummy Sentinal town. I like that you seemed to on the same thought chain as me here. So atm in my cell I'm leaning HF=town and Mderg=scum. As far as your filter what do you read on slam Balla? Do you read him like rayn based off tone?
You thought I was scum before reading my filter? Why? This makes no sense if you thought Slam was scum. Maybe i'm misreading the "but after reading your filter".
I don't read Slam off of tone, I read him off of content. I'm 2/3 with him. When he posts mostly gibberish he is town when he posts somewhat related to the game he is mafia. That didn't work for me last game so I will be more careful, right now he is town but he's had a string of posts that are making me doubt that. Plus it's not that unreasonable for him to have been changing that meta on purpose.
Which leads into LSB: he has talked a lot about setup and pushed a prplhz mafia angle for a little while. From what I've seen so far it is not totally unreasonable for him to be mafia. We will see what he does.
Last thing to you poofter: you just directly contradicted what you have been preaching for the past couple of hours and asked me about someone in my cell even though from your PoV I shouldn't be commenting on people in my cell. What gives?
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Gumshoe that case is all over the place :/ it's hard to follow (what alignments was rayn in these quotes?) but on the ending:
On April 02 2014 12:13 gumshoe wrote:
Ill end with the most damning bit of all, Rayn whole heartedly believes I am scum for false lackluster reasons, despite the fact that Steveling has yet to open his mouth. Thats because hes just accusing whoevers convinient for him, not trying to seriously consider whose scum. On paper I have a 50 percent chance of bieng scum to him, as he does to me, compare the two of our attempts at reading each other and see whose actually trying to figure out the others alignment and whose considering the possibility that Steveling might be the actual scummer. In both cases, that person is me, I am town, Rayn is 90 percent scum and steveling is 10 percent scum. The end.
How can you say this is the most damning bit of all yet you literally just did the same thing and went 90% scum on rayn when Steveling has still "yet to open his mouth"?
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On April 02 2014 10:29 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 10:25 Holyflare wrote:
Regardless of the poofter read, mderg is just stating things and asking for explanation rather than pointing out and elaborating his own opinions and forming reads.
I noticed this too. I asked Koshi what does he think of this mderg guy and he said it seemed strage how he came in straight up defending the one dude in our group. Too crazy that he instant defended a scumbuddy out of nowhere so if mderg guy ends up being scum gumshoe can die in a fire. It all fits! ~rayn
It all fits huh?
I attacked Steveling at the start to bait you, Mderg went in to defend Steveling against me.
I´m not Rayn... but Steveling really likes to watch champions league and I know it can be taxing to watch close and exciting games. So there´s probably not much to tell from this.
Why would my scum buddy come in to disagree with me? Wouldnt mderg bieng scum implicate Steveling, not me?
And why would I press him back?
Whats your relation to Steveling, whats your general impression of his play and why did you feel the need to answer a question intended for someone else. Do you think Rayn is scum?
How does any of this fit? Do you think me and mderg are scum together?
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