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Thread is dead again. I'm going to bed.
Gum please speak at some point that would be amazing.
@everyone, who do you think would use the extra vote that occurred on rayn and why? There is basically a confirmed vote manipulation mechanic no one is claiming it and it was used to lynch a town blue so like no way I can see its town sided role.
Also before the night ends I think everyone putting in a top 2 town/scum reads (and including Slam is automatic bullshit) would be really useful to pigeon hole people who might be converted to scum in the night. Refusal to do this will be looked upon by me as scummy.
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phone broke plus power outage. Have mercy on my inactivity.
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On April 01 2014 19:05 Tehpoofter wrote:
@everyone, who do you think would use the extra vote that occurred on rayn and why? There is basically a confirmed vote manipulation mechanic no one is claiming it and it was used to lynch a town blue so like no way I can see its town sided role.
I claim the extra vote.
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ill say who i think is scum closer to the end of the night. when does it end exactly?
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On April 01 2014 19:05 Tehpoofter wrote:
Thread is dead again. I'm going to bed.
Gum please speak at some point that would be amazing.
@everyone, who do you think would use the extra vote that occurred on rayn and why? There is basically a confirmed vote manipulation mechanic no one is claiming it and it was used to lynch a town blue so like no way I can see its town sided role.
Also before the night ends I think everyone putting in a top 2 town/scum reads (and including Slam is automatic bullshit) would be really useful to pigeon hole people who might be converted to scum in the night. Refusal to do this will be looked upon by me as scummy.
None of this makes sense.
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On April 01 2014 18:08 Tehpoofter wrote:
JJD: He says that kita scum slipped calling me and him town maybe he did and kita is scum but it counts against JJD here because I'm in no way confirmed so how does he know I'm town? I mean maybe he read me as town but I didn't see that in his read... I'm going to read his filter after this and see if I missed him calling me town before that but I don't recall it. Thats my whole point. I don't really read you as town. But I'm treating kita as almost confirmed scum right now. Which means that it's highly likely that you're town since he seemed to have "slipped" about us.
I'm not saying the reason I think he slipped is because I believe you to be town. I'm saying I think u'r likely town because he' scum and he slipped.
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kush why didnt you anounce your extra vote when it happened
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Questions for Kita
On March 31 2014 03:39 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 03:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For someone who is supposed to be good at this game you say a lot of stupid stuff kita. Hey, I'm not the guy pushing a mass claim in a recruiter setup. On a side note, it's quite possible that mafia numbers are going to be nerfed on day one if there is a alignment changing mechanic. We could very well be dealing with 1-2 at the start.
why do you think this?
On April 01 2014 01:54 kitaman27 wrote:Going after difficult targets is the last thing I'd want to do as mafia on day one. When I accuse a player, I want them to think I'm town or not put up a fight. I almost always go after the newbies because they will let me get away with it. I know rayn and kush are the types of players who will have a fit if I do so, so I'd simply pick someone like jarjar, poofter, or the easy slam vote today.
The biggest thing about rayn right now is how sure he is. I know that even with the case I have made, I'm not completely confident. He is sharing his reads with certainty with no evidence that he has looked at my past mafia games or questioned me at any point prior to me presenting the case. The biggest thing to address for him regarding my alignment is the shadow connection that I tried to make. Yet rather than suggesting that I tried to duplicate the town meta so that he would develop a town read on me, he ignores it completely. Onto hopeless: + Show Spoiler +On March 31 2014 21:50 Hopeless1der wrote:nothing personal slam  ##Vote: Alakaslam On March 30 2014 06:25 Hopeless1der wrote:
because the alternative means i need to be a dick to kita and i dont wanna do that right now. On March 30 2014 06:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
whered you go kita? do i need to go through the motions of "totes serious voting" to get a response? I didn't really think too much of the post that Toad/Foolishness pointed out. Hopeless shows signs of guilt with his slam vote. As a town player, I'd expect annoyance from slam's play, yet this comes off as slightly apologetic. His defense of rayn at the start I found scummy and these posts sound as if he is writing them as mafia to sound town, but I admit that is a weak line of reasoning here. Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 23:47 Hopeless1der wrote:
kita, rayn wants to 1v1 you. do you accept? Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 23:56 Hopeless1der wrote:
In my currently preferred scenario, we lynch rayn. If he flips town, hope a vig can get you or slam and probably end up lynching the other one. These posts seem like the ideal mafia scenario if rayn is indeed town, which would be opportunistic from his perspective. He makes the assumption that if rayn flips town, I must be mafia. This is scummy because up until this point, he hasn't hinted at having a mafia read on me or having a problem with my case. In fact, he defends me explaining how I could coast along with the slam lynch. So there is a gap in logic here if he would be so open to my death. At first, I really thought that rayn and hope could be scum buddies. rayn exploded with anger about Toad's post. He then showed a defeated attitude, as if he had no choice but to vote hope for an incredibly, incredibly weak reason. As buddies, he would have to anticipate a huge wagon on hope at that point and I wasn't feel the sentiment at that time. Since then it seems less likely that they are both mafia, with a shifting read on hope to town from rayn and an attack on rayn from hope after my case. I would say that hope is scummy to me, but the discussion about the town vs town is all speculative, pre-flip analysis, which I'd want to avoid. The biggest point is how open he would be to see me die to enforce the 1v1 trade, without making any argument as to why we must be of opposite alignments. There wasn't enough here to make me move off of rayn here. I'd like to do vivax/djo next and see if austin's points have any merits. austin himself I've ignored for the most part and I'll likely continue to do so until a red flag pops up.
Why is the boldified relevant?
Have you ever played with town rayn before? I'm sure you have. In that game, was he not super sure about his reads d1?
Why do you write more about how hopeless is scum, yet you push the rayn lynch? In your last post about rayn, which is not quoted, half of it is saying why you think he might be town. So basically, what made rayn a better lynch than hopeless yesterday?
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On April 01 2014 21:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
kush why didnt you anounce your extra vote when it happened
that vote was a relic from early d1. I didn't even remember about it until poofter just said something.
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On April 01 2014 21:43 kushm4sta wrote:Questions for Kita Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 03:39 kitaman27 wrote:On March 31 2014 03:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For someone who is supposed to be good at this game you say a lot of stupid stuff kita. Hey, I'm not the guy pushing a mass claim in a recruiter setup. On a side note, it's quite possible that mafia numbers are going to be nerfed on day one if there is a alignment changing mechanic. We could very well be dealing with 1-2 at the start. why do you think this?
Scum numbers need to be balanced. If you start with the max scum numbers for a 14 player setup and then add a changing alignment mechanic on top of it your would need to compensate somehow. Having a scum - > town conversation makes no sense since they would simply post the scum list, so a nerfed starting number makes the most sense.
On April 01 2014 21:43 kushm4sta wrote:
Why is the boldified relevant?
Was trying to show my mindset as mafia, but it probably makes more sense to me than anyone else. Wasn't really necessary I suppose.
On April 01 2014 21:43 kushm4sta wrote:
Have you ever played with town rayn before? I'm sure you have. In that game, was he not super sure about his reads d1?
Yes, though I don't recall him ever going after myself actually. The fact that he was willing to call me 100% confirmed mafia I found incredibly scummy because he essentially took that stance based on my post on him. I can't imagine myself ever acting like he did as town, but I guess he runs hotter. When I posted my case on him, I gave him several opportunities to justify his scum read on myself and essentially he gave a "I don't care"/"I'm too lazy" response even though he suggested that I was mafia several times. That didn't sit well with me so I went after him and he blew up.
On April 01 2014 21:43 kushm4sta wrote:
Why do you write more about how hopeless is scum, yet you push the rayn lynch? In your last post about rayn, which is not quoted, half of it is saying why you think he might be town. So basically, what made rayn a better lynch than hopeless yesterday?
I wrote about hopeless because I wanted to look at a few other people before deciding that he was my preferred lynch. At the point where I wrote the rayn case, I hadn't looked at anyone else with much depth yet. I did explain in my post why I felt rayn was a better lynch due to admitting the weakness of the case based on the few quotes I picked out and that his relationship with rayn was based on post-flip analysis. I was making assumptions about his alignment based on rayn flipping a certain way, which wasn't what I wanted to base a day one lynch on. The biggest point against hope was that he seemed to suggest that he wanted to follow through with the 1:1 trade if rayn flipped town, even though he seemed to agree with my case and had not mentioned any suspicion of myself prior to rayn suggesting the deal.
I'll likely be spending more time reading than posting this night cycle, but I may pop in from time to time.
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is kita a guy who hates playing scum?
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Just a reminder: all night actions should be sent to all hosts. It seems like some actions have been sent to Crossfire without being sent to me. If Crossfire were unable to access internet for a while, for example, these actions would unfortunately go unnoticed.
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On April 02 2014 01:50 kushm4sta wrote:
is kita a guy who hates playing scum? Not from what I've seen. Capable scum.
Looking a couple things over. On first glance
On April 01 2014 18:13 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 18:04 thrawn2112 wrote:
why do you keep asking people what they think of austin's case against you I think austin's case sounded townie even though it was against me. So its a weird question to ask mafia because if I'm right and austin is town then they have to comment on a town on town case and they might polarize who they can push on safely by answering in a way where they call us both town. I also find it odd it gained like no traction since I was town probably because there wasnt a lot of scum and rayn is stronger than me and was being voted but still its a good thing to bring up now before we get to a point where the main wagons from the D1 are lynched or dead or w.e. so if people bring it up as evidence they have to go with what they say no as opposed to being able to say w.e. they want to throw dirt on me or austin. (again this is mostly based on the read I have that austin is town.) This post changes my mind on poofter. He's been quite chatty, and this is either a very well crafted scum post (or video mafia people do stuff like this normally), or he's pretty likely town. Out of all the crap you can say for why you're interested in someone's case on you, I don't think you say it's interesting because you're town and think the case-maker is town and therefore you want to get people to comment on it because maybe scum will have some funky and noticeable thoughts on a town-town suspicion.
If anyone is a cop or has checks or does stuff, I suggest doing stuff to Toad (not life-saving stuff, check-y stuff). I don't care so much about the check me/don't check me stuff, but it somewhat fits what I think of when I think of scumtoad, which is ... strange posts and having too much fun with powers and whatnot. I would also GENERALLY assume that there is no role which says "you can't vote." The role is very very very likely to be "you can't vote, and you also do this thing to compensate." Not having a vote means it's likely the other thing, which is likely to exist, is likely to be something pretty sizeable. So if we have cop stuff, I think toad is a solid candidate. There is also the idea that IF this game is somewhat balanced around conversion, ONE WAY to balance a growing scum team is to remove votes. Town gets MORE lynch control than normal, because scum don't just kill townies, they can yoink somebody (all speculative). Small numbers aren't the only disadvantage that can be used to balance out a scum team that may be able to grow.
I'll look kush over a little more, as well as Amiko. Kush was not on my radar at all D1, Amiko got a townpass early from me for seeing some things I found important, but needs more lookin' over.
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On April 01 2014 08:25 Tehpoofter wrote:
@austin what do you think about my post on vivax? As far as that post, I read less into Vivax's bit than you do. Vivax asks rayn how he went from x to y.
I don't see him burying something, or misrepresenting something really. He either missed posts, wants more clarification, is scum, is lazy town, blah blah. It feels like your conclusion is that Vivax isn't attentive enough, that he's just asking a useless question, given that the answer is in the thread and of the filter of the guy he's asking the question to.
It's not a positive thing, but I don't get scumbells off it.
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kush, there was a question about whether a massclaim was a good idea on D2/good idea since rayn proposed it and was town.
does rayn's death and flip change your mind on urrbody doing the claim dance at all?
if yes/no, por queeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee?
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austin why are your questions so invariably shitty
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Make sure you guys send your actions to me as well. Actions should be sent to all the hosts, otherwise there is the potential for your action to not be counted. You still have left to send in your actions.
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On April 02 2014 03:11 kushm4sta wrote:
austin why are your questions so invariably shitty Because your play for the last ~48ish hours has been so nonexistent/shitty.
So gotta start somewhere. Also that's not even a shitty question, I thought a non-shitty one would work here.
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We can also start with "you should go ahead and post your suspicions" since we're later in the night and there's not a boatload of time left to do anything with your suspicions.
We can also start with "thoughts on pure supposition about toad"
We can also start with "Thoughts on massclaim"
We can also start with all of those! Yessssssssssssssssssssssss
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